Whoever said, it is by my definition?? i never said or gave any rules...

None of u have actually understood my point..... Let me tell u once again....

1) I never said, that wear a saree or not wear a saree.... i remember i said, suitably.... which means, WHAT U THINK IS APPROPRIATE..... no one stops u from wearing even a micro mini or a back-less dress and going out, if u think it is appropriate.... The point is, it might be appropriate to u, but not to someone else??

Why is it so? The point was whatever u wear, wear it suitably... as i said, the purpose of clothes is to hide skin and not display it...

No, i am not an old fashioned guy..... but a very liberal fellow.... but at the same time, i believe that clothes are supposed to be worn for protecting the body... and not to display it.... If u are so keen on displaying skin, why not do it all the way, dont wear anything....

from what i've seen saree does a bttr job of displaying body than any other cloth..
And again my skin - my choice to display or not. be it my back or legs. If i want to show it i'll. Some perverts are not going to dictate terms for my wardrobe

But, i know, such a statemnt is impractical.... and that is why i said, suitably..... something which u think is proper.... I dont say, that it will protect u..... I dont say that incidents wont happen after that....

but do i need to say, that if u wear clothes suitably, u will be considered better.....

Excuse me, if i wear clothes suitably, i'll considered better???????
I hope u didn't mean it...

why do those perverts keep staring at the bare legs of a girl who has worn a mini skirt...?

I never said, it is the fault of the girl or her dress.... but why to give anyone (to make it clear, i am talking of those perverts here) an invitation to stare at ur legs.... Yes, again.... u r free to wear anything u like.....

who'll decide what's suitable and what's not..
i feel short skirt is proper.. u think not.. and we'll hv a debate lasting decades..

No i cant gurantee.... throughout my discussion, i have said nothng like it.... it is what u have inferred from .... what i have not said.

Probably something in your posts made us think so.

Well..... u are more than welcome to watch any movie u like..... but then do u think the effect would be the same??

Throughtout my discussion, i never said that media is the sole culprit.... but from what it looks like, u guys are hell bent to prove that media has nothing to do with perversion.....

Yes, maybe not for ur brothers, fathers and others who have been brought up in a decent society..... but then, again the discussion was always centred to sick minded people only.....

Do you really believe people brought up in decent society don't behave pervertly. Or illiterate always do so.
Til now, most of cases point to educated lot engagin in such acts.
Teachers askin for favors from students.... You think they are not educated?????

As i've said earlier also.. it's not media, its mentality which leads these people. The day one learns to respect fellow human beings is the day half problems are solved.

PS: somehow i'm still not convinced that u r not an MCP or so though u try really hard to prove so. But won't refer to it again as it's public forum as i respect your opinion.

Totally gibberish.... See the actoresses, compare the storyline and u will find that at each stage it is nothing but trying to provoke lechering attitude in audience.... It is pretty obvious though, isnt it.... with people wanting to make money and trying to succed in this horde of getting ahead.... they want to attract more and more... and who are the most possible victims to it..

I have watched 3 movies in the recent past (Bluff Master, Rang De Basanti, and Taxi) and have seen nothing offensive in them. You're point about new vs old movies is ludicrous. Choose the movies that you watch. Again, it comes down to your right to choice

.. Rickshwa-wallahs.... not educated people like me and u.... but illitrate people.... who are attracted to this bawdy entertainment...

That is your perception. Have you any statistics to quote about the number of literate and illiterate molesters/rapists?? It's a damn mindset, prevalent across social strata

Again, these are your narrow minded perceptions which you are trying to throw at us. Just caus some one is poor, illterate or is doing an activity demmed menial, does not automatically make them letchers.

Your assumption that just caus some one is educated, they don't letch is so way off the mark, I don't even know where to start picking holes in that assumption.

Buddy, what i mean here is that there are so many females who dress rather provocatively.... maybe intentional, may not be intentional.... but still..... wearing a too small dress like a micro mini is also bringing some negative vibes..... I dont say they do anything wrong..... but the fact is that it does bring in the negative vibes.... Let them be bold....but at the same time, take care... of their clothing....

wtf!

So now let's have more of you and your ilk, self annointed moral poilce, who will decide what is provocative and what is not!

and wtf are negative vibes???? That again is just in your head. So when chick friends wear what they want to, which could mean a f*kin mini skirt, negative vibes are supposed to be magically created?? Phew!

When they are in public, why should they wear backless dresses..... clothes are meant to hide the skin.... not to reveal it.... and noone said that u wear clothes to hide all the skin u have on ur body too..... wear clothes sensibly....!!

And why shouldn't they?

Let's assume when women see football playing guys wearing shorts, they get really excited and decide to grope them. So I'm now supposed to play football wearing long track pants and sweat shirts caus some one else gets excited?

That 's chauvinism for you

Anyway, lets just say that we come from very different places, with very different midsets and luckily the twain do not meet

i think miltond n lone.verse have said what all i wanted to..
Just one more thing.. whole purpose of threads/discussions like these is to make sure one does/say/wear what one wants.
Why should i be wearing something decent (by your definition) to be able to walk on the streets?
My country's constitution granted me tht right the moment i was born. Now because of some sick perverts i should let it go.

Whoever said, it is by my definition?? i never said or gave any rules...

None of u have actually understood my point..... Let me tell u once again....

1) I never said, that wear a saree or not wear a saree.... i remember i said, suitably.... which means, WHAT U THINK IS APPROPRIATE..... no one stops u from wearing even a micro mini or a back-less dress and going out, if u think it is appropriate.... The point is, it might be appropriate to u, but not to someone else??

Why is it so? The point was whatever u wear, wear it suitably... as i said, the purpose of clothes is to hide skin and not display it...

No, i am not an old fashioned guy..... but a very liberal fellow.... but at the same time, i believe that clothes are supposed to be worn for protecting the body... and not to display it.... If u are so keen on displaying skin, why not do it all the way, dont wear anything....

But, i know, such a statemnt is impractical.... and that is why i said, suitably..... something which u think is proper.... I dont say, that it will protect u..... I dont say that incidents wont happen after that....

but do i need to say, that if u wear clothes suitably, u will be considered better..... why do those perverts keep staring at the bare legs of a girl who has worn a mini skirt...?

I never said, it is the fault of the girl or her dress.... but why to give anyone (to make it clear, i am talking of those perverts here) an invitation to stare at ur legs.... Yes, again.... u r free to wear anything u like.....

And evn if we do start adhering to what u are saying and media does becomes another 'astha' channel, can you gaurentee such crimes would stop?
Would such sick-perverted people stop raping 2yr old girl?
I'm ready to wear saree/suit all my life if you can give me this gaurentee..

No i cant gurantee.... throughout my discussion, i have said nothng like it.... it is what u have inferred from .... what i have not said.

U can't.. because deep down evn u would realize how hippocritical it is.
Also, on one hand saying not to take you as MCP but on other hand suggesting that we shud dress properly makes you one.

ANywayz, happy watching CN.. i guess thts only channel without any provocation. I just got informed discovery shows animal mating prgs.. mite affect libido, eh?

Well..... u are more than welcome to watch any movie u like..... but then do u think the effect would be the same??

Throughtout my discussion, i never said that media is the sole culprit.... but from what it looks like, u guys are hell bent to prove that media has nothing to do with perversion.....

Yes, maybe not for ur brothers, fathers and others who have been brought up in a decent society..... but then, again the discussion was always centred to sick minded people only.....

p.s. From u people, Sonika, lone verse, and mlton.... u are not seeing what i am talking and are hell bent on proving me to be the villain, esp lon verse and milton..... calling me an MCP...... it is very personal attack.....

So first, read my posts carefully, before branding me an outlaw....

I understand that it is the common mentality of people, that if they find anyone giving a lil off-course way to the discussion, such that it kind of goes against them, u people start thinking of that person as the culprit....

but to give an effective way to the discussion, u need to analyze it both ways, which, esp milton and lon verse u are not doing.....

Gaurav, I must say I find your remarks on "how media is corrupting minds of men and forcing them to act like lechers" is just what that sounds like - stupid.
My father watches the same movies that these YOUNG MEN watch - has that made him behave like them? My best friends in college (all of whom were boys) watched the same thing, and did that make them try out their techniques on me??
Watch what you're saying, coz next you'll start something like "Girls tempt the guys to grope them, coz they dress indecently", which would defeat the purpose of the blanknoiseproject completely.
Tell you what, next time you see your sister wearing a transparent salwar kameez, or your mother wearing a transparent blouse, grope her to calm your libido.

Ur extremely sharp retort and ridiculous statement, has made me hurt and i want to stop replying to ur post.... but i have to..... because u need a befitting answer..... and some good learning to ur sick mind!!

First of all..... Mind ur tongue.... Learn to behave and talk among civilized people... and if u dont have that.... then, i cant help u....so its better u get lost from here...

From time and again, i have been telling u, something, but all u people have turned a deaf ear to it.... Who said it affects everyone who watches it??
Did it affect ur father? did it affect ur brother? NO because they have been brought up in a morale family, and have been made to respect the society.... of women.... But it sure will affect the household where women have been treated as objects.... where they have not been given any respect.... and such guys, will be definitely influenced.... Time and again i have been talking about such people and i dont understand , what is wrong with u fellow, that u cant understand such a basic thing...

Who ever said, that girls are tempting guys?? this is purely a statement u have made in ur mind.... and is totally baseless.... Read the lines i post, properly & think twice!! b4 saying anything....

As regards, ur last lines, i have no words to say.... All i can say is that i respect all women dearly and probably, u have a corrupted mind... not me.... u might be a pervert, sorry madam, not me!!

One more thing - what you see in the posters and movies is upto you. If you look at KALYUG and see only the porn and not the pain, its your sex-starved brain that's probably making you see it. If you look at KAMASUTRA and fail to see the beauty in it, don't you think you should maybe lock yourself up in your room so that women can be safe from your unwanted....attentions?
Another thing I wanted to ask you - would you stick your hand up a child's skirt just coz it was short and you felt horny?
(Yeah, I'm really angry)
Oh, and you think girls you dress in jeans and skirts are SHY? And those who dress in sarees and salwar suits are....lol....BOLD???
Get a life man. Or just don't talk about what you don't know. I think you're beyond anyone's help.

Who ever said about the holy text?? Who ever commented on such holy sculptures? No one.... but u....

You ask me if i want to stick my hand....bah blah blah..... As i said, its is ur mentality, that can think of so much crap, which was never said... U have written so much after that, which doesnt make sense to me.... Other PGites, please help this poor girl....

The discussion was more on the bawdy movies which are being shown now a days..... but it seems like u are incapable of understanding it.... and that is why u brought in the holy texts and scriptures in it....

Let me tell u something, lady.... people like me are not pervert, because, people like me, have had very good quality of education and respect the ladies.... but there are truck loads of people who dont know about it and are not so well educated.... so these are a menace to the society....

So please u go, get a life.... come back with an open mind to discuss.... and then talk...

Stop posting crap on this forum....

I am highly incensed by ur personal attack .... i had so much respect for u till yesterday.....

i think miltond n lone.verse have said what all i wanted to..
Just one more thing.. whole purpose of threads/discussions like these is to make sure one does/say/wear what one wants.
Why should i be wearing something decent (by your definition) to be able to walk on the streets?
My country's constitution granted me tht right the moment i was born. Now because of some sick perverts i should let it go.

I find this funny, in a free democratic country i've to defend my right to wear clothes tht i like. god knows wt wud've hppnd if i wanted to dress like sum hollywood celebrety?

And evn if we do start adhering to what u are saying and media does becomes another 'astha' channel, can you gaurentee such crimes would stop?
Would such sick-perverted people stop raping 2yr old girl?
I'm ready to wear saree/suit all my life if you can give me this gaurentee..

U can't.. because deep down evn u would realize how hippocritical it is.
Also, on one hand saying not to take you as MCP but on other hand suggesting that we shud dress properly makes you one.

ANywayz, happy watching CN.. i guess thts only channel without any provocation. I just got informed discovery shows animal mating prgs.. mite affect libido, eh?

Edited later on 15/3/06:

First of all miltond.... Calm down.... Secondly, i dont expect u to get so riled up.... not esp.... when u havent understood anything whatesoever i have written.... Man! u are shoving personal attacks at me... even i can call ur statement to be ridiculous nincompoop lines but learn to respect others point of views....

miltond| Says

That statement disgusts me. It's regressive! It's also contradictory to all the faff you have been harping upon of our society now being in the throes of decadence, with the slew of B-grade movies being released, compared to how it was 20 years ago with better movies.

faff?? if u really think i was pulling a faff.... then i suggest, u first read the complete thread before posting...

What i am intending to compare in those lines was the quality of movies.... 20 or 30 yrs earlier, u would have seen proper movies with a good story, people dressed nicely and there is some meaning to it....

Compare it with the storyline now? Totally gibberish.... See the actoresses, compare the storyline and u will find that at each stage it is nothing but trying to provoke lechering attitude in audience.... It is pretty obvious though, isnt it.... with people wanting to make money and trying to succed in this horde of getting ahead.... they want to attract more and more... and who are the most possible victims to it.... Rickshwa-wallahs.... not educated people like me and u.... but illitrate people.... who are attracted to this bawdy entertainment... The quality of movies has degraded so much... that i would rather prefer to call each one of them as soft porn rather than anything else.... save 1 or 2 good hindi movies.... Was this the case earlier.... Agreed, porn and B-grade movies existed even then.... but did u ever feel watching a normal amitabh bacchan movie or a shammi kapoor movie, that u are watching something, which would be be so embarrassing to watch with ur family....

This is what the comaprison has been with...

Yeah. I have a suggestion for you. Lets dress up all the women in a lot of cloth. Why, lets go ahead and have a "dress code" which says don't show any skin, caus it "excites men" who can't keep their ***** from jumping out of their pants at the sight of skin.

Why can't you accept that women can be bold and feminine. Being feminine does'nt equate to being meek and vice versa. It's regressive mindsets like yours that contribute to the present faff about dress codes for women( and men) being thrown up.

Where does the right to personal choice go??? If I was told that women get very excited seeing men in Khakis, and I was forced to wear only denim through the summer, simply caus it excited other women, Wouldn't I feel violated already? You're taking away my right to choice

Who said anything about clothing women in a lump of cloth or they can't move around freely..... U probably never understood the clear meaning of it.... Buddy, what i mean here is that there are so many females who dress rather provocatively.... maybe intentional, may not be intentional.... but still..... wearing a too small dress like a micro mini is also bringing some negative vibes..... I dont say they do anything wrong..... but the fact is that it does bring in the negative vibes.... Let them be bold....but at the same time, take care... of their clothing....

When they are in public, why should they wear backless dresses..... clothes are meant to hide the skin.... not to reveal it.... and noone said that u wear clothes to hide all the skin u have on ur body too..... wear clothes sensibly....!!

I occasionally live with a bunch of friends. When we wake up, and switch on the dumb tube , and there might be visuals of emraan haashmi and udita goswami making out. When we walk down outside our buildings, there might be very racy movie posters strewn on the walls outside.

However, it's your choice to change the damn TV channel or look at the damn posters. Also, after watching the well shot visuals and movie posters (like we usually do), it should make us more libidinous (by your skewed logic) and go out and objectify women. That's some very ridiculous logic. Porn, Racy movies, B grade flicks have been around for ever and will always be around! Adult entertainment is one of the the world's largest industry.

Who is talking about u or ur friends..... this discussion is more oriented to rather non-sensical people.... Agreed u do that.... but there are many, who dont..... they rather get so influenced by it.... that they see ever girl they see, like udita clad with only a bed sheet..... It is this mentality that causes them to become villains.... Ur conscience may be strong enuf.... but that's not the case with everyone....

consider a guy, who is heavily affected by it.... In our society, sex and its knowledge have been given a brand name... 'taboo' and so, u can say that the first time, he ever sees something, even if it is related to sex knowledge, only during his prime....maybe around 17-18.... By this time, his instincts are so strong.... and since there is no one to guide him... we seeks the help of his friends and such bawdy movies..... Do u think, that such a guy would have the courage to talk to his mother and father about it.... NEVER.... all it does is, increases his perversion.....

If he has been brought in a good family background, like u, he would desist all such feelings and would always move in a righteous path.... but what about a fellow from a poor family, who never had any proper education???

I leave the point here..... because, i believe the rest u can figure it out from here....

What we need is gender sensitization, rather that chauvinistic opinions (that sadly very often actually get implemented)

Yes, we sure do need gender sensitization....

and chauvinistic opinions....?? this clearly shows that u havent read any of posts properly, because i have claimed it earlier, that all my approaches are non-chauvinistic.....

With this, i sincerely hope, u will refrain from using personal attacks henceforth!

|miltond Says

Damn regressive, controlling freak!

Mind ur tongue...

*edited by writer on public demand*

Gaurav, I must say I find your remarks on "how media is corrupting minds of men and forcing them to act like lechers" is just what that sounds like - stupid.
My father watches the same movies that these YOUNG MEN watch - has that made him behave like them? My best friends in college (all of whom were boys) watched the same thing, and did that make them try out their techniques on me??
Watch what you're saying, coz next you'll start something like "Girls tempt the guys to grope them, coz they dress indecently", which would defeat the purpose of the blanknoiseproject completely.
*EDITED BY WRITER (purpose fulfilled)*

Let me tell us this.... True! that X-rated magazines and dirty movies have always been there, but there is a difference.... I am not talking of hardcore porn, but the B-grade hindi movies which have become sort of soft porn...

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I am not saying that we start supporting the poor soul.... but just trying to make u feel another aspect here.... (and please! dont think i'm some sort of MCP, at the same time!!) ....

MCP? Now why would we think you are one?

Another thing is, the kind of short clothes u girls wear.... which are sometimes so small and so provoking that his libido hikes up!! and this is not something new.... Even from age old examples, we can see that beauty and skin have the ability to initiate 'kam' even in a saint (remember menaka!)

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Damn regressive, controlling freak!

Remember ur condition 20 yrs back and now and i will say, that women have made a very significant progress!! and they should continue to do so..

That statement disgusts me. It's regressive! It's also contradictory to all the faff you have been harping upon of our society now being in the throes of decadence, with the slew of B-grade movies being released, compared to how it was 20 years ago with better movies.

but i feel, the a molester might be more attracted to a girl when he sees her in jeans or skirts, i.e. when he sees that the girl is meek and incapable of making any cry or hue.... I might be wrong here....

Yeah. I have a suggestion for you. Lets dress up all the women in a lot of cloth. Why, lets go ahead and have a "dress code" which says don't show any skin, caus it "excites men" who can't keep their ***** from jumping out of their pants at the sight of skin.

Why can't you accept that women can be bold and feminine. Being feminine does'nt equate to being meek and vice versa. It's regressive mindsets like yours that contribute to the present faff about dress codes for women( and men) being thrown up.

Where does the right to personal choice go??? If I was told that women get very excited seeing men in Khakis, and I was forced to wear only denim through the summer, simply caus it excited other women, Wouldn't I feel violated already? You're taking away my right to choice

earlier times, with Amitab Bacchan movies and some movies like murder or likewise.... where right from minute 0 to the end of the movie, the female body if shown barely clothed... Even the posters are made so lecherous that it is bound to affect his mentality.... Whereever he goes, whatever movies he sees, he sees only sex in them.... his mindset gets affected.... he cant see women properly clad in sarees.... but actually stripped butt-naked.... Do u honestly believe that he will always have the will power to go against it, when his whole environemnt is against it...??

I occasionally live with a bunch of friends. When we wake up, and switch on the dumb tube , and there might be visuals of emraan haashmi and udita goswami making out. When we walk down outside our buildings, there might be very racy movie posters strewn on the walls outside.

However, it's your choice to change the damn TV channel or look at the damn posters. Also, after watching the well shot visuals and movie posters (like we usually do), it should make us more libidinous (by your skewed logic) and go out and objectify women. That's some very ridiculous logic. Porn, Racy movies, B grade flicks have been around for ever and will always be around! Adult entertainment is one of the the world's largest industry.

What we need is gender sensitization, rather that chauvinistic opinions (that sadly very often actually get implemented)

My personal experience says wn u r in jeans.. nobody messes around with u.. u r seen as sort of girl u ll create trouble for such guys..
when we r in short skirts n stuff.. all we hear are some comments.. nobody trying to come near.. coz again u r percieved as girl with attitude..
When we r in saree or suit.. we r perceived as submissive..sumone who won't raise her voice.. n thts perfect victim..

And again.. just because one sees naked females on posters all around doesn't mean he can treat others as per his wish.

i m sorry, i dont know about this cloth funda of urs.... but if u say, it should be true... anyway, i dont have any experience being a guy.....:) but i feel, the a molester might be more attracted to a girl when he sees her in jeans or skirts, i.e. when he sees that the girl is meek and incapable of making any cry or hue.... I might be wrong here....

I'm really sorry..i'm tryin to understand your point but somehow i cant give such people benefit of blaming their acts on media or sumthng else.

Dear lady,
i am also not giving them any benefit.... bcoz such a thing is not excusable.... but i want to highlight that even media is playing a crucial role is increasing perversion in folks today and when u have such a high no. of that kind of people.... dont u think, u should blame media as such for potraying such an offensive female image...?

Edited Later:
:)

I think getting men to watch CN or discovery caus they are immature enough not to be able handle what is being shown on tv is as immature as blaming rape on the victim, because the clothes she wore provoked the men into raping her.

this was just meant to be taken in light manner.. but i think its gud for ppl who cant control their libido after watchin sum movie..

My personal experience says wn u r in jeans.. nobody messes around with u.. ..... nobody trying to come near.. coz again u r percieved as girl with attitude..
When we r in saree or suit.. we r perceived as submissive..sumone who won't raise her voice.. n thts perfect victim..

completely agree with you on this. also, the harassment was always there...much before any of these B-grade flicks..the problem is in the depraved mindset and these things just reflect it.

Hi junta

My 2 cents.

More than the cheap media & stuff, one thing that has really contributed to the sexual harrasment thing is the attitude towards women in general.

Can be read above.!!

Dear varsha!!
Hats off to u!! very valid point.... it is true that the age old male psychology has been pathetic... and has always been favouring subjugation of women...and it has to change.... it will come slowly.... cant be spontaneous...

Women have to show, they are lesser to none!! it is coming up slowly... and women are taking the lead.... but u have to be persistent... in ur effort...

Remember ur condition 20 yrs back and now and i will say, that women have made a very significant progress!! and they should continue to do so..

They would have to face oppression, but be BOLD.. Show that u r inferior to none!! that u have the strngth to reach the skies as well..... and when u are bold, u r tough, no one will dare to mess with u...

p.s. I believe that we are slightly deviating from the course, we started.... We should actually discuss the hazardous instances u girls have faced which will be a better learner for the rest.....

u want people to fear from doing evil..... show them how horrendous evil can be.... So plz come up with instances like them.... It might be bitter for u girls to express them, but would certainly be a lesson for others...

thts exactly y i suggested CN or Discovery...
It's a mindset which says B-grade media corrupts mind..I'm not supporting them or saying we should hv them but on same time thts sumthng which has been thr for a long time.. Only difference is now its mainstream.
Weren't blue movies produced earlier or X-rated magazines???

The problem here we are facing is Guys finding hard to accept women on streets..working as their equal..sumtimes evn as their superior..
Its the attitude and values grilled in a boy since he was kid that women are supposed to take care of home.. women are supposed to be submissive.. women are helpless without men..
Its not media, its not education its lack of respect to every women who's not related to you which results in these incidents.

I think irrespective of how much we would like to believe that we have grown out of small village type mentalities, all of us liberated, right wing thinking, broad minded male and female souls also subtly contribute to society stereotypes.

I think getting men to watch CN or discovery caus they are immature enough not to be able handle what is being shown on tv is as immature as blaming rape on the victim, because the clothes she wore provoked the men into raping her.

In that case, men along with their watch, cell phone and sun glassses would also have to step out with chastity belts.

I'm no sociologist to explain the metamorphosis of our society crap from an innocent virtuous type of place (was it ever like that???) to the so called decadent place it has now become. I think that is just a perception!

Porn has been around in various forms for centuries now (ask any school boy in Bombay what the book "The Pearl" means). Saying that because more racy visuals are being shown on TV corrupts the mindset of men is ridiculous caus there are enough half nude very hot male torsos shown on tv, but I don't hear of men complaining about how they are being objectified?

Dear sonika,
Another thing is, the kind of short clothes u girls wear.... which are sometimes so small and so provoking that his libido hikes up!! and this is not something new.... Even from age old examples, we can see that beauty and skin have the ability to initiate 'kam' even in a saint (remember menaka!)

Again!! i am not supporting this fellow and not saying it is ur fault, but merely highlighting the psyche that is present because we are now talking about the way, we can counter it.... I dont say, stop wearing jeans or skirts.... and stay in burkha.... but then, make sure u are properly dressed...

I dont say u should have any mercy on such people, but try to analyse them.... after all, no body is born evil.... it is d society which makes a man what he is....

My personal experience says wn u r in jeans.. nobody messes around with u.. u r seen as sort of girl u ll create trouble for such guys..
when we r in short skirts n stuff.. all we hear are some comments.. nobody trying to come near.. coz again u r percieved as girl with attitude..
When we r in saree or suit.. we r perceived as submissive..sumone who won't raise her voice.. n thts perfect victim..

And again.. just because one sees naked females on posters all around doesn't mean he can treat others as per his wish.

I'm really sorry..i'm tryin to understand your point but somehow i cant give such people benefit of blaming their acts on media or sumthng else.

Dear sonika,
i humbly respesct ur views..... The topic which we are discussing has many many aspects..... Lack of education and age-old mentality is one thing.... As we have seen sexual discrimination is one thing and effects of media is another.....

Let me tell us this.... True! that X-rated magazines and dirty movies have always been there, but there is a difference.... I am not talking of hardcore porn, but the B-grade hindi movies which have become sort of soft porn...

Compare the earlier times, with Amitab Bacchan movies and some movies like murder or likewise.... where right from minute 0 to the end of the movie, the female body if shown barely clothed... Even the posters are made so lecherous that it is bound to affect his mentality.... Whereever he goes, whatever movies he sees, he sees only sex in them.... his mindset gets affected.... he cant see women properly clad in sarees.... but actually stripped butt-naked.... Do u honestly believe that he will always have the will power to go against it, when his whole environemnt is against it...??

I am not saying that we start supporting the poor soul.... but just trying to make u feel another aspect here.... (and please! dont think i'm some sort of MCP, at the same time!!)

Another thing is, the kind of short clothes u girls wear.... which are sometimes so small and so provoking that his libido hikes up!! and this is not something new.... Even from age old examples, we can see that beauty and skin have the ability to initiate 'kam' even in a saint (remember menaka!)

Again!! i am not supporting this fellow and not saying it is ur fault, but merely highlighting the psyche that is present because we are now talking about the way, we can counter it.... I dont say, stop wearing jeans or skirts.... and stay in burkha.... but then, make sure u are properly dressed...

I dont say u should have any mercy on such people, but try to analyse them.... after all, no body is born evil.... it is d society which makes a man what he is....

Edited later on:
the author wishes to convey with full mind that the 'U' is only meant for "only some girls who use this display of skin to attract people" and shouldnt be taken as a general perception. Any confusion which may have arisen because of this is highly regretted.

thts exactly y i suggested CN or Discovery...
It's a mindset which says B-grade media corrupts mind..I'm not supporting them or saying we should hv them but on same time thts sumthng which has been thr for a long time.. Only difference is now its mainstream.
Weren't blue movies produced earlier or X-rated magazines???

The problem here we are facing is Guys finding hard to accept women on streets..working as their equal..sumtimes evn as their superior..
Its the attitude and values grilled in a boy since he was kid that women are supposed to take care of home.. women are supposed to be submissive.. women are helpless without men..
Its not media, its not education its lack of respect to every women who's not related to you which results in these incidents.

Saying that cheap media images are resulting in this kind of behavior is unacceptable.
There are lot of other guys watching same, do they behave in lecherous manner? This is just justifying his actions. Wrong is wrong. Just because he came out of a cinema hall watching scantliy clad females doesn't give him right to touch any other.
So lets atleast stop blaming media and look inside us.. If your actions are being influenced by media, how about watching Cartoon network or discovery?

Dear Sonika,
probably u dont understand the mindset of the people..... Let me tell u that this sort of behaviour has been on a hike since these cheap B-grade movies are available.... I never supported their behaviour, but since we are talking of the causes, let me tell u , u are asking me to ignore on of the chief causes...

How can we ignore the cheap films that are being shown on our television... When a guy from a gud family goes and sees such movies, dont u expect his morale to be well shaken.... Offcourse, he is supposed to understand that eve-teasing is a hideous habit, but arent such movies actually increasing his perversion.. U can't expect everyone to be adult about it... and definitely not after the leacherous way, these movies are shown.... Then who can complain, that even a person from a good family, behaving badly....

Offcourse, i am not supporting such people, but there are people with such weak mind-set.... Definitely, we can't ignore the media.... and its not about watching cartoon n/w but its the offensive quality that is shown.... such that u are hardly left with anything suitable to watch with ur family on a saturday night!!

Hi junta

My 2 cents.

More than the cheap media & stuff, one thing that has really contributed to the sexual harrasment thing is the attitude towards women in general.

I believe even the average metro living individual still subscribes to the century old traditions and practises. Women are getting their rights but the indian soiciety has a long way to go before it can respect women in the same way. The reason a man can make lewd gestures and get away with it is coz he believes he is superior. There is still a lot of stigma attached to the girl child. It comes in packaged form nowadays like ' Take care of ur sister' or 'Ur Dad will pick u up' or Worse when an aunt remarks... 'Good now u hv a daughter.. Next we will hv a boy she can tie rakhi to':(

I hv seen numerous girls who hv done an engineering degree but do not take up jobs coz their parents dont allow it. Why?? Coz I believe the parents dont trust the outside world or they r not willing to overburden themselves with the added security thing.

The whole mentality has to change. I believe the sexual harrasment thing is an offshoot of this problem. The day the male realises he cannot make obscene gestures and just walk off, that he will be dragged down on the very spot , the problem will cease to exist.

It requires time. Centuries of blind faith cannot be wiped off in a few years...

Cheers
Varsha

Just my views. Comments r welcome. Pretty long post but just wanted to put my thoughts to words.

Another thing which can be attributed for such a decline is the influence of cheap media.... like movies... where female body is shown as a cheap means of entertainment... Now how can a guy remain mentally stable if such an offensive portrayal of female anatomy is put before him... Can u always blame him for becoming a lecher... I figure not.....

Saying that cheap media images are resulting in this kind of behavior is unacceptable.
There are lot of other guys watching same, do they behave in lecherous manner? This is just justifying his actions. Wrong is wrong. Just because he came out of a cinema hall watching scantliy clad females doesn't give him right to touch any other.
So lets atleast stop blaming media and look inside us.. If your actions are being influenced by media, how about watching Cartoon network or discovery?

@Sonika slapping or yelling is fine... but u must differentiate between situations, because sometimes things happen unintentionally and arent what they appear to be... :)

I know.. Tht was the reason my parents banned my travelling by public buses.. not tht i minded it

but ya.. there are certain situations u can hv advantage n certain whr u can't.
My take is if you've people around then definitely try yell n slap.. rest public takes care of..
but ya if you are in very deserted area.. call up your friends and family.. or carry pepper spray cans...

Well gauri,
the scenerio is comparable with the political scenerio of our country....

Is it shitty? Yes
Are u do something to counter it ? Yes
Will it take time and patience? Yes

I can imagine the repressed anger in u people.... but there are so many thing which u need to consider before losing ur cool.....

Remember, no man is born bad.... It is the society, his living conditions, which make it adverse.... Yes, u are right that these scumbags can be found everywhere and they indeed are a hindrance to ur freedom, but to change the society, u need time and a bigger thing.... patience..

We arew talking of changing the mentality.... So first remove the elements which dirty this mentality.... like cheap movies (as i already said)

Can u do that? Take protest march against every producer who releases movies which can be truely called a soft porn.... u can't..... because there is a plethora of obstacles that way....

Another thing is, create awareness amongst people.... That we can do by talking, having discussions like these, so that they will come forward....

When u girls will have the awareness as to how to protect urself, then u wont desperate for anybody's help.... u wont feel dependent... on us...

Yes, i agree that u have the right to question.... Why is it like that? Why can't we have this basic freedom in free India? Why should we be have to live with fear constantly....

but once u have that awareness, u have solidified, u wont need to feel that fear... Life is full of dangerous obstacles, whether u r a girl or a guy, u cant afford to be callous even for a second..!!

prevention is something we do anyway....we try our best anyway. but nobody can begin to understand how much it constrains us. can't even take a walk alone if we feel like it at night without having some bastard gesticulate to invite us to the backseat of his car. it's when these basic freedoms start getting impinged on that you just feel so angry and tethered. which is very unfair and a terrible commentary on us as a society, which doesn't even afford one half of its population, basic dignity.
apart from countering with overt aggression of our own, isn't there a deeper malaise which needs addressing??

Yes, quite correct..... depravity comes from all the reasons.... whether it be come sort of sexual discrimination or ditching or anything, which renders a man's mentality that all the ladies are b**ches.. He can become a sexual pervert and would not let those feeling vent away easily but will try to take revenge on the entire group...

Say eg, if a guy has been ditched by a girl for another guy, or he has been humiliated falsely or there was some sexual discrimination (as Milton said).. all these factors tend to shake their mentality into wrong-doing...

Another thing which can be attributed for such a decline is the influence of cheap media.... like movies... where female body is shown as a cheap means of entertainment... Now how can a guy remain mentally stable if such an offensive portrayal of female anatomy is put before him... Can u always blame him for becoming a lecher... I figure not.....

But then, causes are one thing and it is important that ladies should take preventive measures to ensure their safety

Depravity, like sexual discrimination is omnipresent.

I think part of the reason people sexually harass other people (and it could be wither way around, but for simplicity, let's assume it 's a man harassing a woman) is because they have objectified the harassed. In this case men think of women as objects. Tradeable, expendable, fully own - able.

have had so many such incidents myself. the funny thing is even if you slap the guy/punch his nose hard like i've taken to doing, the sense of violation is so deep. but my constant wonder is, where is this depravity coming from?

Sexual harassment stems from sexual discrimination, which is omnipresent.

How do we stem sexual discrimination?

Hi milton...
It is true there are some pathetic souls who do this sort of behaviour.... but then they forget in the zest of taking revenge.... that their mothers and sisters are also ladies, who go out and can be a victim of such a sort of behaviour... They are mentally unstable people who have lost their conscience and are unable to understand this....

As for sexual discrimination.... i think it is more of a mind thing.... rather than anything..... tomorrow, if some b-school chucks me out bcoz it reserves a quota for girls, that doesnt mean i have to take out my frustration by groping some random girl i meet on the street.... One has to be logical and reasonable enough.... to be called as a man.... otherwise he is just like an animal.... and there is no treatment for a mad dog...!!

@Sonika slapping or yelling is fine... but u must differentiate between situations, because sometimes things happen unintentionally and arent what they appear to be...

i remember whn i used to travel in delhi by public buses.. ppl touchin inappropriately is very common.. My funda was always to slap the guy.. or yell at him so loudly tht other ppl pushes him away.. i alwayz believed if one girl raises her voice then next time he won't try with others.. n ppl do help..
But i've seen with lotsa girls that they dun complain.. they try to avoid.. avoidin is not the solution... it just encourages ppl lk this to try it wd others...

When I saw this thread, I rem our Sat's discussion.

In Mumbai, supp one of the safer cities in India, travelling by train is supposedly very efficcient, but also very screwball. If you're a chick who has both your hands occupied, rest assured, some one will find an innovative way of bumping into you. The harassment isn't overt, but its harassment!

I think having sensitization classes in school is a good way to initiate people, caus it's a deep issue. have subjects like these instead of redundant shit like a 3rd and 4th language

i remember whn i used to travel in delhi by public buses.. ppl touchin inappropriately is very common.. My funda was always to slap the guy.. or yell at him so loudly tht other ppl pushes him away.. i alwayz believed if one girl raises her voice then next time he won't try with others.. n ppl do help..
But i've seen with lotsa girls that they dun complain.. they try to avoid.. avoidin is not the solution... it just encourages ppl lk this to try it wd others...

Well lone.verse....
That was really some incident.... and i must admit that u have been very lucky... (thank God! ) Anyway, there are few things we can learn from it... and as i think, it should be.....

1) Avoid travelling late at night.... if possible take an afternoon conveyance, so that u can reach ur home by evening... If ur home is far away, then try going in groups... U might find other girls or boys who would be travellling near ur destination....
2) Govt. buses are fine... but i like pvt. buses bcoz u dont find any rowdies in there...
3) I guess that in ur case, there werent many people in the bus and hence try to take an alternative conveyance, wherein u know that max people travel to the place where u r going.... This may not be feasible in all cases, but if u are a regular visitor to some place, then u can think of it...

One thing that is a must is, that u always have to be on guard if u are travelling alone..

sometimes, its difficult, if not impossible, to move around in groups.
And what about loners like me?:satisfie:
Once a group of drunk men started harassing me, again on a bus. This time, I was alone, at two in the morning, coming home from my hostel. I also made the mistake of sitting in the back of the bus, that too a govt. bus. It was crowded when I'd gotten in, but slowly the crowd got off, and the lights were switched off, so everyone fell asleep. So did I, comfortably alone on my long seat that was made for three people..

A strange scratching on one side of my torso awoke me. I woke up, terrified, only to find one of the men sitting beside me and trying to get his hand through my dupatta. His other friends had gathered around, watching. I froze, not knowing what to do next. Then, a man got up from the seat behind me, and told that other guy to move away from me. He did, but I was still scared. and it was obvious from the look on my face.

So this kind man, who was an army officer, dropped me home at 4 in the morning, in an auto. I will never forget his kindness, when I needed it most. My only regret is that I never even said "thank you" properly, or ask for his name. I've never seen him again.

As mentioned before, empowerment starts in the mind.
The one reason(the only reason) why I support blanknoiseproject is because it'll help people to come out with their experiences. Seeing someone else talk about it tends to make one get over one's fears as well.
Sometimes, its not just fear of parents or relatives that makes girls hesitate to tell them their problems. Sometimes, it is also fear of appearing to be weak, of appeared to have taken it when one should have protested.

that's why we have this thread.... and encouraging voices like u and me so that these people can feel comforted... they get in touch with others who have seen similiar situations.... and hence, their not.so.open mind, opens up and they too reveal what they have faced..... U know courage begets courage and when people are in like situations, then they starting feeling more comfortable.... They might not be able to speak to their parents or relatives, but they can speak here.... figuring, that their true reality would not be disclosed here...:)

lone.verse| Says

One thing I'd recommend to all women would be to learn some kind of defensive martial arts - that's just coz it actually gives you a lot of confidence.

As u said it and its very right that u have put it on the top most....

This is the most effective solution.... I think, it gives the girls a chance for an effective resistance and helps them to be more self-confident...

Its not only martial arts, but even if u play sports and maintain a strong healthy body, u will feel confident... So girls playing football, badminton, running etc should feel fit to help themselves counter anything...

|lone.verse Says

Another very important thing - don't hesitate to ask others for help, especially if you are dealing with a situation all alone, OR if there are more than one people harassing you at the same time.

True!!!! Please dont.... and one thing i would like to say here......

Guys!! dont turn away from a situation like this, when it calls u.... dont turn ur back.... thinking it is none of my business.... God forbid! it may become ur business one day... So always keep on alert... It is our contribution too that our ladies will finally feel free from all fears and will be able to move around without any hesitation.... Life doesn't give u too many chances to prove ur valour and gentleman-ness, so dont become a coward and prove what a MAN of SUBSTANCE u are...

Goodness begets goodness..

Three - don't be a pushover. If you are sure that someone is touching you on purpose, without your permission, be firm, and rude, in telling him to back off. If he doesn't, THEN make a scene

Girls, u should never feel scared in raising ur voices..... Tolerating crime like cowards is also a crime... So come forward and show those rascals... that women if can be like menaka or apsara (symbol of beauty), they also come in the form of Kali and Durga..

One very important thing that my dad always taught me - don't use weapons like blades, pen-knives etc. unless
1) you're prepared to face the consequences for using them
2) you USE them effectively, and not just brandish them THREATENING to use them....don't make idle threats. If you're about to do something, do it. Don't hesitate, or you might find yourself at the blade end instead of the hilt.
3) Unless the situation is so utterly horribly hopeless (like being kidnapped on a moving vehicle while travelling alone), DON'T USE ANY WEAPONS.

Well.... as for weapons, u need to be fully skilled to use them.... As the good lady has said, if u are not, u can be not the receiving end too... and that too badly.... Know when to fight and when to run away....

I suggest that u always move around in groups.... so that u can face the danger together and combat it effectively... U feel more secure and better in strength when u are together, rather alone...

@lone.verse Thanks for bringing that mistake to my notice

As mentioned before, empowerment starts in the mind.
The one reason(the only reason) why I support blanknoiseproject is because it'll help people to come out with their experiences. Seeing someone else talk about it tends to make one get over one's fears as well.
Sometimes, its not just fear of parents or relatives that makes girls hesitate to tell them their problems. Sometimes, it is also fear of appearing to be weak, of appeared to have taken it when one should have protested.

Gaurav, there's one thing you're forgetting here, something very big and very disturbing.
WOMEN ARE SCARED.
They're scared of being harassed, they're scared to tell anyone that they were harassed, they're even scared of telling the motherf***** to stop harassing them!!
A man messed with a friend of mine, when she was young and travelling on the bus with her family. It was an all-night journey, and everyone get's different seats to sleep on. This man started touching her, and she slapped his hand away. Then he pinched her so hard, she had to bite her lip to keep from crying out. She didn't tell her parents, coz she didn't want them to make a scene.
Four-five years later, I was the first person she confessed all this to. Even then, she couldn't keep herself from crying at her helplessness, because she still hadn't learnt how to deal with these kind of cockoraches. She opened up to me just coz I was telling her about my experiences (yeah, lots more).
Moral of the story - Open up, and don't be scared. The worst they can do is kill you, and even that's better than having to live silently with the abuse.

My dear,
i totally agree with u.... I can feel the bitterness in u... and i accept what u say/feel.... But then, tell me, isn't that this sheepish attitude (i think sheepish would be a better word than coward) that strengthens those monsters.... The girl becomes so much pressurized about her family's reputation, her prestige... that even if she wants to say it, blurt it out, her lips are sealed or rather they are forced to seal...

Unlces and aunties around will keep on saying truck loads of crap.... but it is upto us (the victims... ) to think over it.... Why was that girl able to tell u and not her family.... precisely that's why.... She had lost trust on her family, thinking what will they say.... ho sakta hai, they might tell her it is her fault... But she found u and confided in u...

This is what we have to do..... gain the trust... free them from inhibitions...
I know it is easier said, than done..... but all major things have to start from a point, isnt it..? The only point that lies here is, whom to trust?

But as far as the boldness is concerned, u girls would have to become bold... there is no medicine for it.... u have to show that u are lesser than none and if such 'cockroach' comes, u have the will power to crush IT

i dont say, u start doing body building for it, but there are ways, i can think of..... but would like the girls to start with it... and then we can contribute with the ideas...

One thing I'd recommend to all women would be to learn some kind of defensive martial arts - that's just coz it actually gives you a lot of confidence.
Another very important thing - don't hesitate to ask others for help, especially if you are dealing with a situation all alone, OR if there are more than one people harassing you at the same time.
Three - don't be a pushover. If you are sure that someone is touching you on purpose, without your permission, be firm, and rude, in telling him to back off. If he doesn't, THEN make a scene

One very important thing that my dad always taught me - don't use weapons like blades, pen-knives etc. unless
1) you're prepared to face the consequences for using them
2) you USE them effectively, and not just brandish them THREATENING to use them....don't make idle threats. If you're about to do something, do it. Don't hesitate, or you might find yourself at the blade end instead of the hilt.
3) Unless the situation is so utterly horribly hopeless (like being kidnapped on a moving vehicle while travelling alone), DON'T USE ANY WEAPONS.

Gaurav, there's one thing you're forgetting here, something very big and very disturbing.
WOMEN ARE SCARED.
They're scared of being harassed, they're scared to tell anyone that they were harassed, they're even scared of telling the motherf***** to stop harassing them!!
A man messed with a friend of mine, when she was young and travelling on the bus with her family. It was an all-night journey, and everyone get's different seats to sleep on. This man started touching her, and she slapped his hand away. Then he pinched her so hard, she had to bite her lip to keep from crying out. She didn't tell her parents, coz she didn't want them to make a scene.
Four-five years later, I was the first person she confessed all this to. Even then, she couldn't keep herself from crying at her helplessness, because she still hadn't learnt how to deal with these kind of cockoraches. She opened up to me just coz I was telling her about my experiences (yeah, lots more).
Moral of the story - Open up, and don't be scared. The worst they can do is kill you, and even that's better than having to live silently with the abuse.

One famous example i can think of is Gangajal... If we group together, then there wont be any case of any deterrent fellow who tries to do any do anything ugly to our sisters, mothers, aunties and friends.... If u guys correctly remember that, in Gangajal, the whole mob broke on the goons who were trying to harass those girl students.... and then they had to run for their lives...!!
If we guys can show the power of the hot, young boiling blood running in our veins, then we can bring a revolution and anybody would think a million times before even thinking of committing such hideous act....

We need is to unite against such villains and give tham a nice taste of blows and brickbats.. i agree that violence is not a solution for everything, but we need something drastic to combat this devil...

If u see Delhi, the rape capital of India, life is very insecure for girls here, with scoundrels loitering hither and thither and everywhere.... Yes, educating our ladies is definitely a premanent solution, but at the same time, it is our duty also, to ensure that they are safe and we intrude in anything alike that we see..... and not just not care, as though it is none of our business.... If today it is happening with a girl, we dont' know, then , God forbid! , tomorrow, it can happen with a girl we know, and then what will we do?? Wait for the police to take action.... wait for the court to give judgement.... Acting sensibly is one thing, but making it our duty to fight crime is another....

I think all puys would agree with me.... Comments are most welcome

Confidence and Positive among Women will surely help in work environment and also in society.
Especially in Bangalore,where the most worst things are happening for women..
about 10years b4 acid was thrown over the girls face and all such kind of things..
i feel so much embarassed/frustrated with such grulesome acts...
Good work needs good luck
Good Luck

Well lone.verse,
it was great and i think u acted very sensibly....!! I think this is what this thread needs.... If all the PG ladies can come around and put down their experiences, then it shall act as a great experience for the others and they can come to know what possibly can they do if ever they encounter such a situation in their lives!! (God forbid!)

We can also discuss some ways which the ladies should follow to protect themselves if ever they come across a hostile situation! So ladies, please add ur incidents here! and let them be a good lesson for the others

Here's one of my more interesting harassment experiences.
One time a guy tried to act funny with me when I was travelling by bus to Pondicherry. He came and stood beside me(I was sitting next to the aisle), though the whole bus was empty, and kept bumping into me and messing with my dupatta on purpose. I got really irritated, so instead of creating a scene, I used this writing pad I had (one with pretty sharp corners) and held it for sometime in a way that would be EXTREMELY uncomfortable for him whenever he tried to fall on me. Other times, I took the opportunity to shove the corner of the slate into him every chance I got. The bastard didn't last five minutes.

guys / girls.

something which i can throw in to the culdron; and though it does not tackle the morality or the immorality of it ; it does present a very strong voice for rebuttal and throws some common sense in the play.

the indian labour laws require each organisation which hires women (above a certain number ) establish a women's only forum where the representation is from the managemnt and the HR leadership and from the workforce. most of the BPO / ITES companies have these forums and they serve to create parity in the mitigation of sexual harassment of women in the indutry.

as a manager and a dedicated lover of women (pun intentional intentions good) it becomes your responsibility to initiate one in your organisation once you get out in the market-- or do so at a college level.

lastly, make a note for the blokes in the blacknoise to do something about the harassment they face or at least post on their blogs what they think, as victims they could have done different to avoid or quell the harassment.

Now i know why PagalGirl was created

And about your last point....i think it is also been done by many of the bloggers.Some of them have posted how they managed to fight the culprit.....some even more experienced(unfortunately) have posted on Do's and Don'ts in the various situations.

But good that you mentioned it here, It will be usefull people writing after seeing this thread.

Yes, i do agree with harshg.... i think, initiation of such forums enables women to collectively talk and share their experiences.... It is also a learning for men, because at times, there are many guys who are not aware of the beastly situation... and i think the ladies in PG should come up with their experiences and then we can discuss it here... They should talk with open and free mind without any hesitation .... We can all learn a lot of things from them and we can express ideas mutually on how to curb this menace....

guys / girls.

something which i can throw in to the culdron; and though it does not tackle the morality or the immorality of it ; it does present a very strong voice for rebuttal and throws some common sense in the play.

the indian labour laws require each organisation which hires women (above a certain number ) establish a women's only forum where the representation is from the managemnt and the HR leadership and from the workforce. most of the BPO / ITES companies have these forums and they serve to create parity in the mitigation of sexual harassment of women in the indutry.

as a manager and a dedicated lover of women (pun intentional intentions good) it becomes your responsibility to initiate one in your organisation once you get out in the market-- or do so at a college level.

lastly, make a note for the blokes in the blacknoise to do something about the harassment they face or at least post on their blogs what they think, as victims they could have done different to avoid or quell the harassment.

Hi dude!
i must say that ur initiative is quite commendable.... but i fail to understand how will writing blogs help to fight the menace... As far the awareness is concerned i think there is hardly anyone who would not know about eve-teasing or sexual harassment.... and hence, the stress should be laid on how can we practically fight it...

One thing that we can discuss is how the ladies should organize themselves... and tackle this menace... Secondly, this should be a must discuss topics in our PG meets.... If we have to do something for the community, rather than spreading knowledge among the intellectuals, we must start with the ways we can practically counter it... So buddy, i think the discussion should be centred here as What can we do to counter this menace...? and the subsequent posts should be related to that...

I get what you are trying to say.But what one needs to understand is that by this initiative the we(the bloggers) are trying to make people more aware of what girls has to go through in their day today life.

There many blogs,in which females have shared their first hand experience of eve teasing and what they feel should be done to reduce that. There are many other blogs which have concentrated on trying to find out and suggesting ways to tackle this issue.

Besides these, some blogs have also tried to bring some of very lesser known issues which MUST be brought in light to find a solution for that.

And i must say, the response so far is amazing.I my self has written about a lesser known issue of marital rape,and have already go more that 30 e-mails by different peoples including married and unmarried girls , inquiring about the legal and general aspects of the issue.

I do believe, Talking about an issue is the first step towards solving it.

This is a very good project.Especially after the events that are happening in out Capital City over the videsi girls and hyderabad "export"

We Support YOU...

Hi dude!
i must say that ur initiative is quite commendable.... but i fail to understand how will writing blogs help to fight the menace... As far the awareness is concerned i think there is hardly anyone who would not know about eve-teasing or sexual harassment.... and hence, the stress should be laid on how can we practically fight it...

One thing that we can discuss is how the ladies should organize themselves... and tackle this menace... Secondly, this should be a must discuss topics in our PG meets.... If we have to do something for the community, rather than spreading knowledge among the intellectuals, we must start with the ways we can practically counter it... So buddy, i think the discussion should be centred here as What can we do to counter this menace...? and the subsequent posts should be related to that...