Whooah... Was just going through the threads and came across this thread... Puys if you don't mind, I would like to share something about how to crack the Verbal section (section-2) of CAT from my personal experience last year....

The single most important thing that helped me crack the verbal section was READING. I have been an avid reader since childhood and during my CAT year, I read a lot of good things. Guys read anything - newspapers, magazines, editorials, books - anything where you get good quality english. Spend at least 1-2 hours daily to read .... trust me it will help you much much much more than mugging word-lists or practicing questions or learning rules of grammar, etc... I will for your benefit, list out the gains you can obtain from reading more..

1.) Your speed and concentration for reading will increase helping you out a lot in RCs and Reasoning questions. And there are around 9 RC questions and 1-2 CR questions. Fast reading helps a lot in here...

2.) Good Reading practice makes you capable of connecting ideas between sentences and paragraphs... It will take some time but with enough practice, you will be able to make the connection between ideas quite easily and understanding complex articles will slowly become easy. Now the ability to connect ideas between sentences helps in all aspects of VA - RCs where you have to infer from the RC, Parajumbles and Paracompletion where obviously you need to connect the ideas properly and Reasoning questions where also you need to understand the idea behind the paragraph and the question.

3.) Even if you are not good with grammar and dont know its rules, enough reading will help you recognise the grammatically incorrect sentences or parts of it. With reading, you will form a habit of reading correct sentences. So whenever you come across an incorrect sentence, you will know its incorrect even though you wont know what the error is. Who cares what the error is, knowing the incorrect sentence will help you answer the Grammar questions in CAT!!

4.) While reading you will come across many words that you wont know the meanings of. If you have enough time, you can find out the meanings of these words and remember them. If you dont have enough time, then there will be some words that despite not knowing the meaning, won't hinder you in understanding the sentence. Ignore these words as you can guess their meaning pretty accurately from the sentence itself. Look up only those words without knowing the meaning of which, the sentence itself is not clear. This will substantially save your time.

5.) Reading will help you understand the different usages of many familiar and unfamiliar words which will come in very handy in SCs.

So, in short, if you just read and don't do much else for VA (apart from giving mock CATs) you will have a more than decent score in VA. But if you do everything else and don't read, you need to be very very lucky to get a decent score in Verbal.

That's all for the gyaan... Its free and you can take it up if you want

PS: Give and analyse mock CATs very very very seriously. They are the ticket to a good score.

I think what you have said is quite spot on ! ( Substantiated by the fact that I could come across only 2 grammatical mistakes in your write-up.Which could easily be typos! So beyond a shadow of doubt what you advise has worked for you)

But this has worked from a long term perspective.... and also very important you were an avid reader.. so you were just building on an already solid base..

From a short term perspective....

Assuming an aspirant is going to study 6 hours everyday from today.

2 of those hours can be dedicated to English + an extra hour say just for reading.

Now even if all these 3 hours are dedicated to reading we still have probably 450 hours of reading till the CAT ... for the average student who has not been a reader ... it will just not be enough.... not to mention the fact that such such students are averse to reading and wil face an uphill task to get used to the idea...


For these aspirants the attack has to be 2 pronged ... reading as you suggest for the long haul...

but the quick stuff also needs to be done within the next 5 months... words grammar vocab, sectional tests , tips and tricks that will cut down the learning cycle..

Not to mention the last aspect that the CAT will give a percentile for VA + LR .. so you must perform God Level in either or above average in Both

Totally agree about the Mock CATS..

@hirakms-thanks a lot

Whooah... Was just going through the threads and came across this thread... Puys if you don't mind, I would like to share something about how to crack the Verbal section (section-2) of CAT from my personal experience last year....

The single most important thing that helped me crack the verbal section was READING. I have been an avid reader since childhood and during my CAT year, I read a lot of good things. Guys read anything - newspapers, magazines, editorials, books - anything where you get good quality english. Spend at least 1-2 hours daily to read .... trust me it will help you much much much more than mugging word-lists or practicing questions or learning rules of grammar, etc... I will for your benefit, list out the gains you can obtain from reading more..

1.) Your speed and concentration for reading will increase helping you out a lot in RCs and Reasoning questions. And there are around 9 RC questions and 1-2 CR questions. Fast reading helps a lot in here...

2.) Good Reading practice makes you capable of connecting ideas between sentences and paragraphs... It will take some time but with enough practice, you will be able to make the connection between ideas quite easily and understanding complex articles will slowly become easy. Now the ability to connect ideas between sentences helps in all aspects of VA - RCs where you have to infer from the RC, Parajumbles and Paracompletion where obviously you need to connect the ideas properly and Reasoning questions where also you need to understand the idea behind the paragraph and the question.

3.) Even if you are not good with grammar and dont know its rules, enough reading will help you recognise the grammatically incorrect sentences or parts of it. With reading, you will form a habit of reading correct sentences. So whenever you come across an incorrect sentence, you will know its incorrect even though you wont know what the error is. Who cares what the error is, knowing the incorrect sentence will help you answer the Grammar questions in CAT!!

4.) While reading you will come across many words that you wont know the meanings of. If you have enough time, you can find out the meanings of these words and remember them. If you dont have enough time, then there will be some words that despite not knowing the meaning, won't hinder you in understanding the sentence. Ignore these words as you can guess their meaning pretty accurately from the sentence itself. Look up only those words without knowing the meaning of which, the sentence itself is not clear. This will substantially save your time.

5.) Reading will help you understand the different usages of many familiar and unfamiliar words which will come in very handy in SCs.

So, in short, if you just read and don't do much else for VA (apart from giving mock CATs) you will have a more than decent score in VA. But if you do everything else and don't read, you need to be very very lucky to get a decent score in Verbal.

That's all for the gyaan... Its free and you can take it up if you want

PS: Give and analyse mock CATs very very very seriously. They are the ticket to a good score.

Tanveer Sir,
In the LR questions, I face difficulties and end up consuming a lot of time with "Truth/False" kinda questions.
Questions like If A is lying, then B is the culprit... and similar to these.
Where from can I practice those?

Tanveer Sir,

I do list down words that are difficult and form a sentence mentally.But however those words are rarely used and what I face in exams/real time scenario are words which are highly used but alien to me! Please help!

1062 Vocabulary Words

Go through the list!!

Tanveer Sir,
I was with 13,190..What should I do to make things look good?
I do list down words that are difficult and form a sentence mentally.But however those words are rarely used and what I face in exams/real time scenario are words which are highly used but alien to me! Please help!

Which one would be better to start with George summers / Martin Gardner / Analytical Reasoning or material of TIME for LR will serve the purpose?

Then the left one can be taken up later.

Thnks in Advance

Rgrds
Myth Less

Complete the study Material firtst within a set time limit

Meanwhile do a puzzle per day

Which one would be better to start with George summers / Martin Gardner / Analytical Reasoning or material of TIME for LR will serve the purpose?

Then the left one can be taken up later.

Thnks in Advance

Rgrds
Myth Less

I got a score of 17K. My biggest worry is there are so many words which when I see I recognise them. However, I don't remmember their meaning or context of use. How to overcome this problem?

Also, if I practise GMAT 1000 RC's and SC will it be enough for CAT too. I want real help in LR/Analytical I think my weakest point is reasoning wherein I am very slow in cracking it, also in exam I feel it I will not be able to crack it and after spending some time I leave it. Any suggestions on this..

17K is a nice score . You should not have to worry!!

Coming to the problem you mentioned

Retaining Words - Try this

Maintain a log book in MS Word :

Do your reading online :

Suppose you come across a tough word

BLOVIATE

Make 3 Colums

1. For Word

2. For Meaning : To speak or write at length in a pompous or boastful manner

3 For Sentence - Pick up the sentence where you saw the word and copy paste it so that you remember the context when you revise the words

After five years as president and thirty years as a political figure, this colossal oaf is still unable to discipline his urge to bloviate in front of a public audience

Finally - MOST IMP - Revise the list every 3 days..



GMAT RCs may be sufficient for CAT

More than GMAT SC may be needed for CAT SC..

LR - there is no magic formula...Practice Practice Practice.. George summers / Martin Gardner / Analytical Reasoning

Get hold of a mentor group good with LR and interact with them...

Its fairly okay.

Students I am worried about have approx 6K

Students I have pegged as good performers in English tend to have 18-22K

I got a score of 17K. My biggest worry is there are so many words which when I see I recognise them. However, I don't remmember their meaning or context of use. How to overcome this problem?

Also, if I practise GMAT 1000 RC's and SC will it be enough for CAT too. I want real help in LR/Analytical I think my weakest point is reasoning wherein I am very slow in cracking it, also in exam I feel it I will not be able to crack it and after spending some time I leave it. Any suggestions on this..

poorme how good or bad is it? and how should i imprve? i get scared seeing new words :(

Its fairly okay.

Students I am worried about have approx 6K

Students I have pegged as good performers in English tend to have 18-22K

My performance tends to range between 34 -38 K.. and I still keep coming across new words while teaching!! So you can imagine the difficuly level of the CAT..

Of course as I said earlier - it is not just about words - those words have to be weaved together with proper grammar - correct reading reading skills - and cogent reasoning.. that is the full mix...

So aim for a holistic approach

As a first try to estimate the range of your vocab - this can be done on many sites -

one of them is given below -

Test Your Vocabulary

Just as a reference point the students I have come across have a range of 6K to 18 k

sirjee, got a result of 11900 how good or bad is it? and how should i imprve? i get scared seeing new words

Things are said to be named equivocally when, though they have a common name, the definition corresponding with the name differs for each. Thus, a real man and a figure in a picture can both lay claim to the name animal; yet these are equivocally so named, for, though they have a common name, the definition corresponding with the name differs for each. For should any one define in what sense each is an animal, his definition in the one case will be appropriate to that case only. ____________

A.On the other hand, things that have both the name and the definition answering to the name in common are named univocally.
B.On the other hand, things that have both the name and the definition answering to the name in common are named indefinitely.
C.On the other hand, things that have both the name and the definition answering to the name in common are named amphilogically.
D.On the other hand, things that have both the name and the definition answering to the name in common are named tenebrously.
E.On the other hand, things that have both the name and the definition answering to the name in common are named ambiguously.


The answer is in bold....cant understand why this option is choosen as the answer an what is wrong with other answers...

Ambiguous means confusing .. that's why..

Just check the meaning of the other words

also interesting to see how the paper setter has created the correct option ...the original passage had option 1 as the ending but students of CAT cannot be expected to know philosophy :p

Aristotle

68 it is...Thanks choosen!

Hi Tanveer Sir,
I get confused with this kinda questions.Can you please explain in full detail and the approach to solve these problems easily and quickly??


At the college entrance exam, a candidate is admitted according to whether he has passed or failed the test. Of the candidates who are really capable, 80 % pass the test and of the incapable, 25 % pass the test. Given that 40 % of the candidates are really capable, then the proportion of the really capable students who can pass the test to the total students who can pass is about:


Possible Answers



68 %


70 %


75 %


73 %

if the proprtion to be found against the total students passed.

then answer should be 68%.

do tell me the correct answer.

Hi Tanveer Sir,
I get confused with this kinda questions.Can you please explain in full detail and the approach to solve these problems easily and quickly??


At the college entrance exam, a candidate is admitted according to whether he has passed or failed the test. Of the candidates who are really capable, 80 % pass the test and of the incapable, 25 % pass the test. Given that 40 % of the candidates are really capable, then the proportion of the really capable students who can pass the test to the total students who can pass is about:


Possible Answers



68 %


70 %


75 %


73 %

My take:
Let total students be 100
No. of capable students=40 (given)
No. of non capable students=60 (given)

No. of capable students who passed test=80% of 40=32
No. of In-capable students who passed test=25% of 60=15

ThusTotal students who passes test =47

Proportion= (32*100)/47 = 68%

Hi Tanveer Sir,
I get confused with this kinda questions.Can you please explain in full detail and the approach to solve these problems easily and quickly??


At the college entrance exam, a candidate is admitted according to whether he has passed or failed the test. Of the candidates who are really capable, 80 % pass the test and of the incapable, 25 % pass the test. Given that 40 % of the candidates are really capable, then the proportion of the really capable students who can pass the test to the total students who can pass is about:


Possible Answers



68 %


70 %


75 %


73 %

Hi Tanveer,

Q. 3 It is a challenge for democracy how animal rights issues can get an important place in politics. There is no doubt that the issue is important, but tigers, buffaloes and birds dont have any votes. The thing to do, then, is to link up the protection of animals with the protection of sustainable livelihoods. In other words, if we have a concept of wild life protection in which tribals and forest dwellers can be involved on a large scale in wild life protection by providing them sustainable livelihoods for this work, we can have schemes with a lot of potential to actually protect wild life. ____.

1) In addition, it will generate a great deal of interest from political parties who want to attract tribal votes.
2) In addition, such schemes can obviously be in the forefront of election campaigns.
3) In addition, mass mobilisation based on issues of sustainability becomes possible.
4) In addition, animal rights issues can get an important place in politics.
5) In addition, it will compel political parties to give their whole attention to issues of critical importance like protection of environment.

The answer is in bold.
I marked 3rd option as the answer.Where did i went wrong?

First of all it will be "Where did you GO wrong? not WENT


Now coming to the question -

The paragraph starts of with Politics - so it should have

Democracy -challenge of animal rights - link with sustainable livelihood - PLUS the chance to get votes for politicians is the flow of the para

mass mobilisation seems like a new issue to be brought up at this point..

I have a slight doubt - Could option 2 be an answer as well?

Puys - What do you say?

Refer to the source here -

Will our politics be eco-friendly? - Economic Times

Things are said to be named equivocally when, though they have a common name, the definition corresponding with the name differs for each. Thus, a real man and a figure in a picture can both lay claim to the name animal; yet these are equivocally so named, for, though they have a common name, the definition corresponding with the name differs for each. For should any one define in what sense each is an animal, his definition in the one case will be appropriate to that case only. ____________

A.On the other hand, things that have both the name and the definition answering to the name in common are named univocally.
B.On the other hand, things that have both the name and the definition answering to the name in common are named indefinitely.
C.On the other hand, things that have both the name and the definition answering to the name in common are named amphilogically.
D.On the other hand, things that have both the name and the definition answering to the name in common are named tenebrously.
E.On the other hand, things that have both the name and the definition answering to the name in common are named ambiguously.


The answer is in bold....cant understand why this option is choosen as the answer an what is wrong with other answers...

Hi Tanveer,

Q. 3 It is a challenge for democracy how animal rights issues can get an important place in politics. There is no doubt that the issue is important, but tigers, buffaloes and birds dont have any votes. The thing to do, then, is to link up the protection of animals with the protection of sustainable livelihoods. In other words, if we have a concept of wild life protection in which tribals and forest dwellers can be involved on a large scale in wild life protection by providing them sustainable livelihoods for this work, we can have schemes with a lot of potential to actually protect wild life. ____.

1) In addition, it will generate a great deal of interest from political parties who want to attract tribal votes.
2) In addition, such schemes can obviously be in the forefront of election campaigns.
3) In addition, mass mobilisation based on issues of sustainability becomes possible.
4) In addition, animal rights issues can get an important place in politics.
5) In addition, it will compel political parties to give their whole attention to issues of critical importance like protection of environment.

The answer is in bold.
I marked 3rd option as the answer.Where did i went wrong?

One of the best sites for learning words by the Roots methodology..

Hundreds of roots prefixes and suffixes..

Word Roots and Prefixes

NEW WORDS IN ENGLISH


Recently-coined words, terms and expressions, with their meaning. The English language is notoriously fast in adapting to the changing world.
New words enter English from every area of life where they represent
and describe the changes and developments that take place from day to day.
Here are some words and expressions that have been coined in recent years.



Source: New words in English
Affluenza

A blend of 'affluence' and 'influenza'.
A social disease resulting from extreme materialism and excessive
consumerism: earning more money and consuming more, which
can lead to overwork, debt, waste, stress, anxiety, etc.


Burkini or Burquini

Blend of 'burqa' and 'bikini'
A swimsuit worn by Muslim women which covers the whole body
i.e. the arms to the wrist, the legs to the ankle, with a hood to
cover the hair and neck.

Captcha

Completely Automated Public Turing Test To Tell Computers and
Humans Apart.
A distorted image of letters and numbers used to ensure that a
response is not generated by a computer, in order to prevent
spamming.


Chick lit
Books, usually featuring female characters, written by women on
contemporary themes and issues that appeal more to women than
to men.

Couch potato

A person who spends a lot of time sitting in front of the television.

E-cruitment
Online recruitment of employees, including online submission of
resumes and cover letters.

Refer to the link for more words

New words in English

vivekmohit Says

One more query. Does sentence correction books for GMAT help in anyway(in CAT)?

GMAT sentence correction focuses a lot on

A. Subject-Verb Agreement
B. Modifiers
C. Parallelism
D. Pronoun Agreement
E. Verb Time Sequences
F. Comparisons
G. Idioms

So these issues will definitely get ironed out for you .

You might need some additional CAT focused practice ..

One more query. Does sentence correction books for GMAT help in anyway(in CAT)?

Mithles Says

I would like to know some material on Para completion where last sentences are deleted.....Para Jumbles i am also stuck a big time......

Read this article - Should Help.

Don a detective's hat to solve Paragraph Completion and Deleted Sentence questions | PaGaLGuY.com - India's biggest website for MBA in India, International MBA, CAT, XAT, SNAP, MAT

Then post specific queries with examples.

will try to help

Can anyone help me out with the Jumbled Sentence portion?? I suck, Big time!!:banghead:

From where should i prepare for this section of the paper?

Please help!

Read this article - Should Help.

How to solve Para Jumble questions using the Chota Rajan method, Poriborton strategy and other easy tricks | PaGaLGuY.com - India's biggest website for MBA in India, International MBA, CAT, XAT, SNAP, MAT

Then post specific queries with examples.

will try to help

Can anyone help me out with the Jumbled Sentence portion?? I suck, Big time!!:banghead:

From where should i prepare for this section of the paper?

Please help!

iimlover Says

which are the best books for section 2 of cat...................

You are unlikely to find a one stop solution -

Get a good book on Vocab Development.

Norman Lewis - Word Power?

Good book on Grammar -

Wren and Martin?

RC

Any study material of a good insti plus past CAT papers


Any book on Analytical Reasoning by Arihant Publications

Puzzles by George Summers / Martin Gardner

Hi everyone. ...


I am a bit weak in VA section , though reasonably ok in LR section .
Kindly help me..... how to improve myself in VA ?? Preparation methods ??? Materials and stuff for learning/practicing . ??

Suggestions needed plz ....

Just follow this thread!!

This is the USP of this thread.

Some suggestions already given above !!

Many more to come!

Hey Tanveer,
is it mandatory to finish a grammar book to score well in VA(english section). I've read many posts here where people recommend reading lots of books will also serve the same purpose. Please elaborate on that. I tried Wren n Martin but I find it very boring . Any other alternative??

Hi Vivek,

A grammar book is not mandatory!

I never touched a grammar book till I started teaching and I was still scoring 99 in VA before that

Why?

Because I read lots of books!

And I am talking about - say 6-7 books in a week not related to my curriculum - plus a few magazines -

You do that for a few years and the grammar and the syntax gets hard wired in your brain

You take a look at a sentence and you know it is wrong!!

But the fundamental question here is - Do you have that kind of time at your disposal ?- you have a few months - in which everything needs to be crunched - Grammar is one of the many many many things you need to cover.. So you need to go through the rules of a grammar book quickly.. I am not saying memorise the rules.. just go through them - and practice the exercises at the end of each chapter

To Summarise - In the long run you need to read

But to crack CAT - hit that Grammar Book

Dkgupta007 Says

hmmm if this is what is happening in imt-g.....then this news should be spread and aspirants should be warned....never expected this kind of cameo from a reputed b-school such as imt g....anyways how far is this true????

I just spoke to Anuj or let me rephrase that . I spoke to somebody on the numbers mentioned on the mail who said he was Anuj. The news seems to be true but Anuj is not the one who had posted it to PG. He had only sent it to the IMT Alumni group.

Hi everyone. ... :)


I am a bit weak in VA section , though reasonably ok in LR section .
Kindly help me..... how to improve myself in VA ?? Preparation methods ??? Materials and stuff for learning/practicing . ??

Suggestions needed plz ....

you need to build the habit of reading,read news paper everday,learn new words buid your vocabulary.....also take a grammar book of any insti(time,cl...)and read the rules and the related theory!!!ATB

Hi everyone. ... :)


I am a bit weak in VA section , though reasonably ok in LR section .
Kindly help me..... how to improve myself in VA ?? Preparation methods ??? Materials and stuff for learning/practicing . ??

Suggestions needed plz ....

which are the best books for section 2 of cat...................

hmmm if this is what is happening in imt-g.....then this news should be spread and aspirants should be warned....never expected this kind of cameo from a reputed b-school such as imt g....anyways how far is this true????

> On 8 May 2012 18:41, anuj jain wrote:
>
> Respected Sir,
> With reference to your below mail, FYI, the last company which i signed up
> was Amba Research dated 20th April, 2012 and no communication has come for
> it up till now.
> Sir, It is final placement we are talking about and not summer placement,
> how can you expect me to sign up for every company which comes to the
> campus.
> Sir, If you want to reduce the number of students who are unplaced then
> just say so, why this facade of office order.
> The whole point of Final placement is that, there should be some match
> between the education you have done in the college and the company which
> comes for recruitment.
> Why is it that you are blaming us for your incompetency of not being able
> to bring good core companies for the Finance batch.
> Sir, i had got 99.08 %ile in CAT and I have 1.5 years of relevant finance
> work-ex, CGPA of 7.5+ and I am CFA Level I clear and I am still unplaced
> because i have barely got a chance to prove my mettle.Why don't you admit
> it that the decision of getting DCP placed and pushing them has backfired.
> Sir, to get your records straight i just want to say I have not opted out
> of the placement process but being forced out of it. The next year brochure
> should not have 100 % placement, but it should show at least 1 (me) was
> left unplaced.
> Sir, I guess is this how IMT Ghaziabad has maintained 100 % placement over
> the years.
> Sir, for your record i am sending this mail to our Alumnus group, to let
> them know what is exactly going on in our college.
> Thank you sir for what all interviews you arranged for me and I am still
> unplaced and was hoping to get one from college, but it was not suppose to
> happen that way.
>
>
> Thanks & Regards
>
> Anuj Jain
>
> PGDM Finance (2010-2012)
> 10FN-021
> IMT Ghaziabad
> +91-7838590157, 9759298586
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Pappachan
> *To:* Pappachan
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 8 May 2012 5:34 PM
> *Subject:* Office Order - Out of placement process
>
> While checking some of the recent sign-ups, it has come to our notice
> that you are not signing-up for the companies visiting IMT for
> placements, as per notice put up from time to time. Hence, we consider
> that you are not interested in campus placements, hence, your CV will not
> be sent to any company for further process.
>
>
>
> Prakash Pathak
> Head Corporate - Relations
>
>
>
>
> --
> This mail is marked to members of IMT Ghaziabad Alumni who have requested
> to join IMT Ghaziabad jobs mailing list.

Hey Tanveer,
is it mandatory to finish a grammar book to score well in VA(english section). I've read many posts here where people suggested that reading lots of books will also serve the same purpose. Please elaborate on that. I tried Wren n Martin but I find it very boring . Any other alternative??

As a first try to estimate the range of your vocab - this can be done on many sites -

one of them is given below -

Test Your Vocabulary

Just as a reference point the students I have come across have a range of 6K to 18 k

Some useful sites for Vocab Development:

Puzzle Words
More Words - Search Dictionary - Word Games Crosswords and Anagrams
Word Information - an English dictionary about English vocabulary words and etymologies derived primarily from Latin and Greek word origins
WORDCOUNT / Tracking the Way We Use Language /

Keep 5 Sources that you refer on a regular basis to increase vocab everyday:

1. Dictionary. com Word of the Day Section - Todays word is Word of the Day Definition, Word Origins, and Quotes at Dictionary.com

2. Dictionary, Encyclopedia and Thesaurus - The Free Dictionary : lowlife - definition of lowlife by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

3. Alphadictionary.com - craven - alphaDictionary * Free English On-line Dictionary

4. Online Dictionary for Build your Word Power and vocabulary MBAUniverse.com

5. Wordlist (13-May-12)

All the Best!!

surajsrivastav Says

Can you folk please suggest any link where I can find LR question to practice?

CAT 2010 Questions Analytical Reasoning Questions for CAT Exam

In the reference of Grammatical Sentence Correction


What are the most important area where we should start working?
Like Noun,Verb,Preposition.

I am always very confuse in use of preposition:banghead::banghead::banghead:
I have started WREN & Martin. Will it work or need to switch any other resource?

the

Start off with NOUN ( heart of the Subject)

next ADJECTIVE ( used to describe Noun)

next VERB ( what did the Noun do? ) ( esp. Subj Verb agreement and Tenses)

then ADVERB ( how was the verb done??)

Articles, Prepositions, Punctuations, Conjunctions

Wren and Martin is sufficient to start with

NOTE!!! Dont memorise the rules .. just read through them... SOLVE EVERY EXERCISE AT THE END OF EACH CHAPTER YOU READ!

In the reference of Grammatical Sentence Correction


What are the most important area where we should start working?
Like Noun,Verb,Preposition.

I am always very confuse in use of preposition:banghead::banghead::banghead:
I have started WREN & Martin. Will it work or need to switch any other resource?

kate winslet Says

Hey puys this is extremely off topic but i want to ask how to create a new forum??? i have an important topic of discussion in my mind..

Wow!!! Poora ka Poora new forum!!!

I assume you want to create a new thread ??

If so - then Go to http://www.pagalguy.com/forum/

Then go to your Selected Section - for Example - CAT and Related Discussion

Click on that


On the next page you will see

Post a New Thread

Click on that and continue..

Hey puys this is extremely off topic but i want to ask how to create a new forum??? i have an important topic of discussion in my mind..

As you have divide LR into
1) Analytical Reasoning
2) Puzzles

Can we classify the type of problems that come under each of them so that we dont miss it during preparation?

I had given an illustrative type of each problem in the previous post ( professors, socks)

Broadly speaking AR will require you to play around with data while puzzles expect you to decipher situations.

Where do you start learning words?

Not by memorising them ... rather by internalising them..

How does a baby learn words?? Not by going to KG and memorising a word list!!

It experiences a lot of the words - Mamma Papa Water..in its native language and reels them in in

In a similar manner you have to learn words by doing something that interests you and that activity should lead to the learning of words!!

For today lets take a look at nice new magazine I came across today..

Knowledge Magazine


You will find articles that should excite your interest!!

A short history of Astronomy
How did the Solar System begin?
Grappling with Anacondas



Take your pick and read!! And note down new words you find....

For the LR section ( 10 Qs out of 30) you will find 2 types of questions -

1) Analytical Reasoning Qs - 4 profs teaching, 4 diff subjects , on 4 diff days of the week - arrangement of table etc.., Switches which need to be pressed in a particular sequence etc.
You can expect 1-2 sets like these. Total of 6-7 questions.
You can practice from an AR guide book / Mocks of any major Insti will serve the purpose as well.

2) Puzzles - You will find one-off puzzle questions. 3-4 of them in the paper
Example from CAT 1999 - Three bags contain blue socks, red socks and a mix of red and blue socks (not repectively) . the bags have all been mislabelled. Take out one sock from any one bag of your choice and correctly label all the socks.
Refer to puzzles of Martin Gardner/ George Summers for these types of problems

You should not ignore CR questions . Keep it as an element of your VA prep.

As you have divide LR into
1) Analytical Reasoning
2) Puzzles

Can we classify the type of problems that come under each of them so that we dont miss it during preparation?

Task : To crack the English section of the CAT

Method: If you are going to crack the English section it will depend on how friendly you are with words. ( Vocabulary) .
Next you are going to use these words as per certain rules to form sentences. ( Grammar)

V + G = RC ( also Reasoning)

The mistake that most CAT preppers make while preparing for CAT English is to think of it in terms of sections. I will do words. I will not do grammar.
Or I will do RC I will not do words and so on.

Whereas - Actually You have no choice but to start at the basics - start at the basics of the language - start with how the language developed - how words formed.. how they began to be used in sentences .. and finally how those sentences were grouped into paragraphs ... and finally how those paras can be used for logic and reasoning and comprehension

mrcet007 Says

Can you name the best Analytical reasoning guide and Martin_Gardner puzzles book? So last yr LR formed approx 10 /30 question in cat 2011 that's a good info. Any idea how many CR questions came last yr?

Here in Kolkata - I find that any of the Arihant Publications will do for basics. Then it's a matter of practising more and more Mocks.

Yes LR formed approx 10/30 questions in Section II.

Check out Flipkart for Martin Gardner

CR questions were variable. Occurring in some slots and not occurring in others. If they do come you can expect 2-3 of them.

Regards
Tanveer

For the LR section ( 10 Qs out of 30) you will find 2 types of questions -

1) Analytical Reasoning Qs - 4 profs teaching, 4 diff subjects , on 4 diff days of the week - arrangement of table etc.., Switches which need to be pressed in a particular sequence etc.
You can expect 1-2 sets like these. Total of 6-7 questions.
You can practice from an AR guide book / Mocks of any major Insti will serve the purpose as well.

2) Puzzles - You will find one-off puzzle questions. 3-4 of them in the paper
Example from CAT 1999 - Three bags contain blue socks, red socks and a mix of red and blue socks (not repectively) . the bags have all been mislabelled. Take out one sock from any one bag of your choice and correctly label all the socks.
Refer to puzzles of Martin Gardner/ George Summers for these types of problems

You should not ignore CR questions . Keep it as an element of your VA prep.

Can you name the best Analytical reasoning guide and Martin_Gardner puzzles book? So last yr LR formed approx 10 /30 question in cat 2011 that's a good info. Any idea how many CR questions came last yr?

I want to improve my LR skills. But I find that the question types in guides available in market are usually different from question asked in cat 2011.
I want to build concepts ,strategy and practise cat 2011 type questions. Can anyone suggest any books? Also is CR part of cat now? Did anyone get any CR questions like strengthening , weakening, last sentence of the para, boldface questions, assumption etc in cat 2011? If yes how many questions? Should we prep for it or is it a waste of time?

For the LR section ( 10 Qs out of 30) you will find 2 types of questions -

1) Analytical Reasoning Qs - 4 profs teaching, 4 diff subjects , on 4 diff days of the week - arrangement of table etc.., Switches which need to be pressed in a particular sequence etc.
You can expect 1-2 sets like these. Total of 6-7 questions.
You can practice from an AR guide book / Mocks of any major Insti will serve the purpose as well.

2) Puzzles - You will find one-off puzzle questions. 3-4 of them in the paper
Example from CAT 1999 - Three bags contain blue socks, red socks and a mix of red and blue socks (not repectively) . the bags have all been mislabelled. Take out one sock from any one bag of your choice and correctly label all the socks.
Refer to puzzles of Martin Gardner/ George Summers for these types of problems

You should not ignore CR questions . Keep it as an element of your VA prep.

These thngs are available in TIME material logical reasoning BSM....the kind f question u r referring to i thnk u cn easily get this typ in Mock CATs....

For CR....u cn refer to Manhattan's CR guide..although i don thnk k u need to spend so much tym on this....the practice material by TIME/Cl/IMS will be sufficient for CR....

Yes, it is unlike that we see CR in cat...though anything can come....

For gmat its absolute necessary...

I had something like 4 people working in a manufacturing company with 3 division. Any they will work in shifts on different days of week.
and questions based on it. I don't remember the exact details. These "direction prob,Linear arrangement' types are available in which coaching class material?

These thngs are available in TIME material logical reasoning BSM....the kind f question u r referring to i thnk u cn easily get this typ in Mock CATs....

For CR....u cn refer to Manhattan's CR guide..although i don thnk k u need to spend so much tym on this....the practice material by TIME/Cl/IMS will be sufficient for CR....

I am still sinking in section 2.....

Just need good vocab....Rest will be fine...I think a good strategy is to solve few mocks..To get the flow in verbal..

mrcet007 Says

Which GMAT CR book is the best for CR?

You can try the Critical reasoning Bible....

Can you folk please suggest any link where I can find LR question to practice?

Yup i took CAT 2011..in my slots LR sets were related to direction prob,Linear arrangement...for CR portion u cn take any GMAT material and cn practice frm thr...

Cud u pls share wat kind of LR question u had in ur CAT 11...

Which GMAT CR book is the best for CR?

Yup i took CAT 2011..in my slots LR sets were related to direction prob,Linear arrangement...for CR portion u cn take any GMAT material and cn practice frm thr...

Cud u pls share wat kind of LR question u had in ur CAT 11...

I had something like 4 people working in a manufacturing company with 3 division. Any they will work in shifts on different days of week.
and questions based on it. I don't remember the exact details. These "direction prob,Linear arrangement' types are available in which coaching class material?