hi
i left my job without intimating them...didnt get even experience certificate from them..so it is hard to get in back.......we are not divorced but it will happen in near future.....he left me because of his mother...my parents accepted me but i want them not to suffer for me...like to do job..but dnt know what to do..what course to do or..studying mba will be around 4 lakhs or even more than that....
there is a gap of 3 years from my graduation and im 2009 passed out

As per the little experience i have, i would still recommend you to go for the interviews and you can tell them you don't have the exp. certificate due to some reason. What matters most is the experience, if know have done it it will show you know it.

Don't take too much stress right now, its okay to settle down in few days/weeks and then get back to work.

You can even get educational loan for completing your mba. You can re-pay after completing mba and getting a job.

Hope this helps.

hi friends,
im so much worried what to do next..i left my job at dell because of marriage..but now that guy left me after 2 years ....im in dilemma ..wrote tancet to do mba and got 32 bc communty...waiting for counselling..but i hope my parents wont support me financially since it is a love marriage....some are telling me to do java to get a job..im ece student with76 percentage..
dont knoe what path to choose to get job....im so stressed..please guide me.

dont be stressed
rather you need to plan well.... I am just 22 n my advice may not be from a mature person
but from experience you should 1. try to get ur old contacts from dell/college/relatives u might get job back
2.go for placement agency
apply on job portals
3.at such stage preperation for mba would be tough bcoz of stress u r taking
4.also u can go 4 teaching job or tution if u hav contacts
financial stability is must n can be achieved with proper planning n exploring alterntaives

hi friends,
im so much worried what to do next..i left my job at dell because of marriage..but now that guy left me after 2 years ....im in dilemma ..wrote tancet to do mba and got 32 bc communty...waiting for counselling..but i hope my parents wont support me financially since it is a love marriage....some are telling me to do java to get a job..im ece student with76 percentage..
dont knoe what path to choose to get job....im so stressed..please guide me.

Hi,

Please inform your parents about the current situation and let them decide if they would support you financially or not. I feel if not financially they would support you mentally which would be enough for you to clear the interview or to get the job.

I know it is going to be tough for you, but you have to take a step forward and make the most out of the opportunity you have in hand.

There are lots of jobs available, since you have 2 years of work ex, getting a job again won't be much of a problem, but before that you should be stable mentally.

P.S. if anyone wants to add something, please feel free.

edit: Ask your husband for alimony and approach the court. You are an educated girl and left the job because you turned into a homemaker, hence you are entitled for alimony till the time you find a job. (suggested by Neo2000 and hirakms)

Don't just let your husband live in peace, make his life hell

v both r in the same boat,with little diff.When you understand, that you r capable of doing more than what ur acads shows,then it's good change in u.since we had done some injustice to our career in the past,v will have to go through few tough phases.(MBA)It's a gr8 opportunity to flush the bad dreams n it's in ur hands now.Listen, what the brain says n dnt give any space for emotions.

User:cricaddict has explained it perfectly.In addition,find a job,it wil b helpful.

When it comes to the panel,address whatevr weakness that u felt in ur profile rather than let it hang and not confront them.And emphazise ur learnings from them and how u worked to overcum those situations.

U still have time to achieve,prepare well for Gd/Pi,it may help u to still get into top b-schools like xlri,etc.,Sincerity in your eyes,face,expressions during the Pi is vry important.

Post ur success story one day........ :)
All the best

I have been going through various threads helping students in gdpi preparations for finding answers to my queries but i didnt get so here i am asking-
What reason should i give in interview about my pathetic academic scores..
10th-95(Merit)
12th-53%
Graduation-51%(With below 50 in final and 3rd year)
CAT-89.83%ile
took a year drop after my engineering to gain composure and start living normally. I was suffering from depression after 10th std.. don't know the reason was diagnosed in 1st year when my mom forcefully y friend
...
....
i have matured a lot..and become very strong emotionally..i know i am waay better than what my acads show.. and yes i regret what i ahve done terribly i should have studied no matter what but still...i was not able to.. i was too lost that time...please help me..what should i do..

Sorry for long post

Buddy lemme tell you one thing you have seen in life which many people would not have.. Failure makes one's life 10 times better when one is able to come out of it.. Its fantastic you have come up strong and have the fire and will to become better... your Xth marks you were a really good student.. Due to things which were not in your hands you didnt do well after that.. And unfortunately most IIM's look at past acads and that too objectively.. But there are institute's like XLRI,FMS,MDI where your acads don't play a major role.. If you defend your low score after getting call they would happily give you the admit... Also New IIM's don' give very high weightage to acads for giving a call.. So ATB buddy... Am sure your will to succeed will help you achieve what you want.... And you always have PG.. This is not just a website, its far more than that... Its a place where getting into Top B-Schools just becomes a lot easier coz of infinite information one can accessed on this website... Am sure many would admit their IIM dreams wont have been realised without PG.. Even for me PG was absolutely god sent!!!

PaGaLGuY = IIM (Infinite Information of Management)

And Management not only includes Management Education it includes managing challenges and hardships in life!!

Wishing you again with hope of seeing a B-School Tag under you name very shortly@

I have been going through various threads helping students in gdpi preparations for finding answers to my queries but i didnt get so here i am asking-
What reason should i give in interview about my pathetic academic scores..
10th-95(Merit)
12th-53%
Graduation-51%(With below 50 in final and 3rd year)
CAT-89.83%ile
took a year drop after my engineering to gain composure and start living normally. I was suffering from depression after 10th std.. don't know the reason was diagnosed in 1st year when my mom forcefully took me to a psychiatrist....i was under treatment for 1 year..after that refused to take doctors treatment and medicines...as it was not at helping and was damn expensive..and by that time i knew the reason of depression was violence at my home because of my elder brother(I am ashamed of talking about such personal things in public but i have to because i really want to change my life by getting into a good MBA college). My parents are very supportive but my brother totally ruined our life...i went into depression after things went just to out of control...didnt go to class...my back log increased...fear got scared of back log...when went to class i was so behind from everyone and also so many problems at home(in between i proposed to girl whom i loved thinking that should would be great support to me but she rejected which further ruined my condition)....my friends got away from me....i was alone...somehow i got admission in some engineering college after 12th...there too i got involved in bike accident and fractured my ankle and right wrist terribly...was not able to write for almost 1 year or so..i have recovered somehow a little bit really scared as to what reason i should mention in pi regarding such pathetic acads...i dont want to pity myself ...i have matured a lot..and become very strong emotionally..i know i am waay better than what my acads show.. and yes i regret what i ahve done terribly i should have studied no matter what but still...i was not able to.. i was too lost that time...please help me..what should i do..



Sorry for long post

Increasingly, B Schools are trying to differentiate themselves and hence using very different selection criteria. Some of the new IIMs, XLRI, GIM etc don't put much weight on acads for GDPI calls.
I have seen people getting thru despite not-so-good acads, the secret of their success is terrific performance in GD as well as PI which created a lasting impression in the minds of interviewer.

If you want to do an MBA, then leave your past aside and put your heart into CAT/XAT preparation. Stay up to date with current affairs and hone your communication skills. There are so many decent institutes, so you should be able to get through some of them.

The most important thing is to assure yourself that you can succeed despite your past performance and fully concentrate on preparing for your future ambitions.

If u want some....Go get some!!!!!
ALL THE BEST!!

Kaaliya: "Hum Jahaan Khade Hote Hain, Line Wahin Se Shuru Hoti Hai"

Nice.

Adiyogi

@loserliving,
you have really fought back well.................

I have been going through various threads helping students in gdpi preparations for finding answers to my queries but i didnt get so here i am asking-
What reason should i give in interview about my pathetic academic scores..
10th-95(Merit)
12th-53%
Graduation-51%(With below 50 in final and 3rd year)
CAT-89.83%ile
took a year drop after my engineering to gain composure and start living normally. I was suffering from depression after 10th std.. don't know the reason was diagnosed in 1st year when my mom forcefully took me to a psychiatrist....i was under treatment for 1 year..after that refused to take doctors treatment and medicines...as it was not at helping and was damn expensive..and by that time i knew the reason of depression was violence at my home because of my elder brother(I am ashamed of talking about such personal things in public but i have to because i really want to change my life by getting into a good MBA college). My parents are very supportive but my brother totally ruined our life...i went into depression after things went just to out of control...didnt go to class...my back log increased...fear got scared of back log...when went to class i was so behind from everyone and also so many problems at home(in between i proposed to girl whom i loved thinking that should would be great support to me but she rejected which further ruined my condition)....my friends got away from me....i was alone...somehow i got admission in some engineering college after 12th...there too i got involved in bike accident and fractured my ankle and right wrist terribly...was not able to write for almost 1 year or so..i have recovered somehow a little bit really scared as to what reason i should mention in pi regarding such pathetic acads...i dont want to pity myself ...i have matured a lot..and become very strong emotionally..i know i am waay better than what my acads show.. and yes i regret what i ahve done terribly i should have studied no matter what but still...i was not able to.. i was too lost that time...please help me..what should i do..



Sorry for long post

I really admire these ppl who fight back against their odds.. (CAT 90%ile ) really inspiring...

@ Kaaliya--
Thanks a lot dude for ur motivation...I wil start preparing for CAT..and make it top b-schools n will prove tat even i can make it..

Why everyone thinks that they cant make it to the IVY league just coz of acads...??
Yesterday FMS released their GD/PI shortlist and it was purely on CAT scores....
XLRI/MDI/NMIMS/NITIE/NEW-IIM'S/IIFT.....they dont look @your previous track record while issuing GD/PI calls man...

but the catch is u have to be better than everyone to prove to the interview panel that u have it in you...Dont let 10/12/grad marks define you......dont discourage yourself...!!!

Go with a right frame of mind and have confidence in your abilities.There's nothing u cant achieve....!!!
Impress the interviewer's with the knowledge and passion u have for MBA!!!!

@Raghu5jan--- bhai agar aise hi rota rahega to kuch nahi hoega....!!
Go score a 100 percentile..make it to the interviews and just rock the interviews buddy!!!

ACADS MEAN NOTHING...!!!! unless u have that spark in you..to be THE BEST at whatever you do!!!!
CHOICE IS YOURS...u wanna keep crying all your life or u wanna show this world what steel u are made of!!!!

If u want some....Go get some!!!!!
ALL THE BEST!!

Hi i m new this post guys....My name is RAGHU..people out here are talking about worst profile terribly upset by performance on there past...but after hearing mine they might feel good and also motivated.... Here i come up with my disgusting marks..
10th 60.66
12th 52.67:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
Graduation(Mumbai university)--51 :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
I have two years gap in my education..one of the most awe full things in my profile.. I failed in my graduation twice and finally on third attempt i managed to clear it with 51 percent.. I cleared my grads on 2011.. After that i thought of putting my heart n soul to my CAT preparation...WAs preparing really well... my mocks scores wer from 70 to 80 percentile..But during my D-Day i got frustrated and performed horribly...landed up wit only 40 percentile...Was totally shattered..Then came MH-CET...i don't know was it my bad luck or god was testing me...MH-CET was one of the most toughest paper in history of MH-CET...again horribly performed.. now i m highly demotivated and totally upset... I feel my life is over.. after talking to lot of my friends and seniors they advised me to join for software testing course...So in order to take up one decent job i have joined that course..totally disappointed wit my life.. but i have only one light tat i wil get a decent job after this course.. Now peers please help me out..i have to do MBA becz tat has always been my passion..i want to build a career in marketing line.. So frnds wat should i do...Wat entrances should i go for...Is it foolishness from my part to dream about big bschools like XLRI IIMC SIBM..?? wil i ever make it...need some motivation guys ...Seriously i mean it i m in verge of tears as i m writing this post....Pls help guys ...

60 % aggregate in Pune University or Final Year Marks ? I always mentioned my Final Year Marks as my Engineering Marks

As for being an automobile enthusiast, I assume that you are on teambhp ?
Its never late to get into something you love. Even 4 years of work ex in IT and IT Engineering can not devoid you of what you love. If its true love, trust me, you will do justice even if you switch career. In that respect, an MBA would help you switch career in automobile sector.
I have a friend who did engineering in nano tech, worked in IT, MBA in IIFT, now in Mahindra

hehehe ... ofcourse Final year marks ! that's what comes on our degree certificate, so a nice way to proudly flash your degree - typical 'farjee engineer'

not on teambhp since i don't have my personal car yet ! but i'm on Xbhp, i ride my baby TurboKat - first generation Hero Honda CBZ Classic !

on a more serious note mate, this mid-life crisis is becoming a serious concern since i feel i'm losing time now ! i think its high time i shud fall in line and get going fast ! and I really need some serious counselling and discussion with like-minded people to help me push in the right direction ! the more i talk to these norm-breakers, the more motivated i will be ! if its possible, can you help me connect to this friend of yours?? and also to other friends and acquaintances of yours who've done such similar career shifts to Automobile !

I will be online on PG everyday from now on till late evening in office to find a savior ! It's more that I am lacking the right kind of directional influence in the Automobile field, so people, PUYS n everyone else related to this field can be of great help to me !

Cheers !

60 % aggregate in Pune University or Final Year Marks ? I always mentioned my Final Year Marks as my Engineering Marks

As for being an automobile enthusiast, I assume that you are on teambhp ?
Its never late to get into something you love. Even 4 years of work ex in IT and IT Engineering can not devoid you of what you love. If its true love, trust me, you will do justice even if you switch career. In that respect, an MBA would help you switch career in automobile sector.
I have a friend who did engineering in nano tech, worked in IT, MBA in IIFT, now in Mahindra

LOL !! yeah, its funny ... as now I feel my life is becoming more hilarious everyday !

Aite, so let me pour my heart and mind out here and see if I can add to the misery of the PUY world ! :D

I am a software engineer by qualification and an auto-enthusiasts by heart ! Yeah, I completed my B.E. IT from Pune University with a First Class ! Do i sound like another nerd? No, engineering is more about smart work than hard work. I guess I'm the first s/w engineer grad from Pune University with a first class and zero knowledge about coding. I mean ZERO !! I had a campus placement job at Mphasis in the tech support department, which I survived for exactly a year. I can write an interesting story about my life here, but don't want to bore you PUYS. So, lets cut the crap and let me brief you !

SSC: 77.86% Maharashtra Board
HSC: 69.00% Maharashtra Board
B.E. IT: 60.00% (2004 - 2008 )Pune University (steady decrease in my percentage is directly proportional to my NOTHING , so don't break your mind over it)
WORK:-
Mphasis: 1 year 2008-2009 (Tech Support)
Halliburton: 8 months (IT Analyst) (MONEY was the only reason for change )
THEN comes the tricky (read idiotic, insane, madness) part :-
May 1st, 2010 I took a SABBATICAL from the ROUTINE !
Planned to take GMAT. So enrolled at OAK's Academy Pune.
2 months for TOEFL.. Gave TOEFL and scored a 100 out of 120.. (was very glad to reach the three-figure mark ) 3 months of GMAT classes. By October booked dates, but honestly no preparations at all. By November, postponed the date twice and cancelled it the second time, eventually losing out a lot of money in dollars on the cancellation !! STUPID ! By November end i was sure of giving up the GMAT dream since I was not clear about the critical question - WHY would i like take the GMAT and WHAT would i do after MBA? I know you guys can relate to it !!

So, started freaking out and doing things I love to do - Motorcycling. I have extreme passion for biking and all the problems in my life so far have arose due to this passion. Set the National Record in Endurance Biking ! Got it publsihed in a leading newspaper thinking it would help me in the future.

I want to pursue a career in the Automobile Industry. I have an entrepreneurial dream. And yes, my work satisfaction has become increasingly important after almost 4 years working.

After the record, I started browsing through the internet to search for my passion. With a IT degree and IT work experience to slit my hopes, it became really hard to enter the auto industry. To survive, I started working as a BDM in a very non-organizational start-up. The chief found my profile on one of the networking sites and approached me. Had a successful initial stint by getting sales of more than a lac in the first month from a single client. Then, the job responsibilities started expanding beyond what was clearly discussed. Eventually, we fell off on a bad note and i abruptly quit after 6 months.

Now what? Thinking I had more time to experiment, I started freelance writing - another passion which was pin-pointed by my friends on Facebook. So, it was Content Writing ! Currently working as a content writer for an adult healthcare company in Gujarat which caters to the European population. Surely, a little more than three months here and I know I am done here. Not just here, but in the writing industry. Its not that i cannot , but i do not wish to make writing as my full time career.

After all this melodrama, I still have the automobile passion burning hot in my veins and still want to enter the automobile industry. It's like I know that's where my heart lies. That's one place I know I will wake up each morning and be excited to go to work.

Skills: Extremely extrovert, highly skilled in all forms of communication and a natural conceptualizer, leader, organizer and manager.

Need suggestions, advice, comments and help to find the right career path !

loserliving Says

What about your graduation marks? How much did you get in graduation?

63.7 % aggregrate uptill now..
Considering my university (Burdwan).. Its a quite good score :clap:

Bt I cant erase my past blunders in 12th std...
Seeing how much weightage is being given to those marks, my MBA dream may never bcum reality

Hi..
Just came across this thread & thought that it would b apt for me to share my story...:
I am not trying to motivate anyone or seeking inspiration to deal with my current situations.. However, ur feedback & suggestions are welcome...

My profile :
Gave the class 10th exams from west bengal board in 2007, had high hopes, was a good student in school..
The result showed : 70.25 % :banghead:
Well, I believe that i deserved more & it may b a strange coincidence that most of the students in the class got the same marks in a few subjects (it is not a new incident of copies getting misplaced and students ending up with average marks, all credits to the great state board)

Then came the class 12 exams :
In 2007 , fate had screwed up my hopes, in 2009, 12th board exams, i took the responsibility to destroy my career :cheers:
Ended up with 59.6 % :banghead:

The hopes of getting into a good college had gone up in smoke, dreams were shattered, ego was crushed & depression set in...
Got admitted in a PATHETIC college with Microbiology as honours subject..
Had no interest, so, had to find a way to redeem myself..
MBA seemed the only way of...
Gave my heart & soul for cat 2011..
Heartbreak set in after seeing the result : 89.83 %ile:banghead:
Gave snap.. scored 86.75.. got SCMHRD call.. couldnt muster up enough courage to attend due to bad profile.. skipped the interview..
Gave Nmat.. got 206 ... missed by 2 marks..
Hav calls form : XIMB HRM, Nirma :wow:

Nowadays, I question myself ...
Should I really do an MBA ??
Am I good enough ??
Can I make it in the times of profile based selection ??
What should I do ??
Even if I get in, will I get a job despite my pathetic profile ??

I dont know what the future holds.. I dont know what i am destined for !!

Buddy.....you are just 20 years of age ....whole life is infront of you ...there are numerous oppurtunities waiting and you are losing hope...:wow:
True,you are going through some tough phase but that difficult phase will make you a stronger person...
cheer up buddy...and remember one thing
"Let bygones be bygones"
what ever has happened has happened....don't crib over it....
ups and down do come in one's life ....be realistic and make one promise to yourself that from now on you would put best possible effort from ur side......
and one thing more
"Do enjoy your life".....:-)

Hi..
Just came across this thread & thought that it would b apt for me to share my story...:
I am not trying to motivate anyone or seeking inspiration to deal with my current situations.. However, ur feedback & suggestions are welcome...

My profile :
Gave the class 10th exams from west bengal board in 2007, had high hopes, was a good student in school..
The result showed : 70.25 % :banghead:
Well, I believe that i deserved more & it may b a strange coincidence that most of the students in the class got the same marks in a few subjects (it is not a new incident of copies getting misplaced and students ending up with average marks, all credits to the great state board)

Then came the class 12 exams :
In 2007 , fate had screwed up my hopes, in 2009, 12th board exams, i took the responsibility to destroy my career :cheers:
Ended up with 59.6 % :banghead:

The hopes of getting into a good college had gone up in smoke, dreams were shattered, ego was crushed & depression set in...
Got admitted in a PATHETIC college with Microbiology as honours subject..
Had no interest, so, had to find a way to redeem myself..
MBA seemed the only way of...
Gave my heart & soul for cat 2011..
Heartbreak set in after seeing the result : 89.83 %ile:banghead:
Gave snap.. scored 86.75.. got SCMHRD call.. couldnt muster up enough courage to attend due to bad profile.. skipped the interview..
Gave Nmat.. got 206 ... missed by 2 marks..
Hav calls form : XIMB HRM, Nirma :wow:

Nowadays, I question myself ...
Should I really do an MBA ??
Am I good enough ??
Can I make it in the times of profile based selection ??
What should I do ??
Even if I get in, will I get a job despite my pathetic profile ??

I dont know what the future holds.. I dont know what i am destined for !!

What about your graduation marks? How much did you get in graduation?

Hi..
Just came across this thread & thought that it would b apt for me to share my story...:
I am not trying to motivate anyone or seeking inspiration to deal with my current situations.. However, ur feedback & suggestions are welcome...

My profile :
Gave the class 10th exams from west bengal board in 2007, had high hopes, was a good student in school..
The result showed : 70.25 % :banghead:
Well, I believe that i deserved more & it may b a strange coincidence that most of the students in the class got the same marks in a few subjects (it is not a new incident of copies getting misplaced and students ending up with average marks, all credits to the great state board)

Then came the class 12 exams :
In 2007 , fate had screwed up my hopes, in 2009, 12th board exams, i took the responsibility to destroy my career :cheers:
Ended up with 59.6 % :banghead:

The hopes of getting into a good college had gone up in smoke, dreams were shattered, ego was crushed & depression set in...
Got admitted in a PATHETIC college with Microbiology as honours subject..
Had no interest, so, had to find a way to redeem myself..
MBA seemed the only way of...
Gave my heart & soul for cat 2011..
Heartbreak set in after seeing the result : 89.83 %ile:banghead:
Gave snap.. scored 86.75.. got SCMHRD call.. couldnt muster up enough courage to attend due to bad profile.. skipped the interview..
Gave Nmat.. got 206 ... missed by 2 marks..
Hav calls form : XIMB HRM, Nirma :wow:

Nowadays, I question myself ...
Should I really do an MBA ??
Am I good enough ??
Can I make it in the times of profile based selection ??
What should I do ??
Even if I get in, will I get a job despite my pathetic profile ??

I dont know what the future holds.. I dont know what i am destined for !!

I have been going through various threads helping students in gdpi preparations for finding answers to my queries but i didnt get so here i am asking-
What reason should i give in interview about my pathetic academic scores..
10th-95(Merit)
12th-53%
Graduation-51%(With below 50 in final and 3rd year)
CAT-89.83%ile
took a year drop after my engineering to gain composure and start living normally. I was suffering from depression after 10th std.. don't know the reason was diagnosed in 1st year when my mom forcefully took me to a psychiatrist....i was under treatment for 1 year..after that refused to take doctors treatment and medicines...as it was not at helping and was damn expensive..and by that time i knew the reason of depression was violence at my home because of my elder brother(I am ashamed of talking about such personal things in public but i have to because i really want to change my life by getting into a good MBA college). My parents are very supportive but my brother totally ruined our life...i went into depression after things went just to out of control...didnt go to class...my back log increased...fear got scared of back log...when went to class i was so behind from everyone and also so many problems at home(in between i proposed to girl whom i loved thinking that should would be great support to me but she rejected which further ruined my condition)....my friends got away from me....i was alone...somehow i got admission in some engineering college after 12th...there too i got involved in bike accident and fractured my ankle and right wrist terribly...was not able to write for almost 1 year or so..i have recovered somehow a little bit really scared as to what reason i should mention in pi regarding such pathetic acads...i dont want to pity myself ...i have matured a lot..and become very strong emotionally..i know i am waay better than what my acads show.. and yes i regret what i ahve done terribly i should have studied no matter what but still...i was not able to.. i was too lost that time...please help me..what should i do..



Sorry for long post

i COMPLETELY agree with subhash sir on his above post..i also think u should be brutally honest about ur acads.. n i would say use ur past.. to show interviewers how STRONG you are... going by ur details i think ur the PERFECT EXAMPLE of how people bounce back inspite of failures/disappointments in their life...CONGRATULATE URSELF BUDDY...On ur journey till now..n i say BE PROUD...SHOW the interviewers how the whole experience has made u stronger...many people succumb to negativity and disappointments and take to drugs or other forms of addiction and ruin their life which is still to come...YOU HAVE COME OUT BEAUTIFULLY..AND MANAGED A DECENT SCORE IN UR CAT PERCENTILE..THIS SPEAKS "VOLUMES" ABOUT WHAT A FIGHTER YOU ARE....I SALUTE U FOR UR PERSEVERANCE AND TRUST ME THE PEOPLE INTERVIEWING U , WILL TOO.

so get started ..pouring...and say it from ur heart...DO NOT make it sound like a sad story..but EMPHASIZE how you have come out of..fought all these circumstances...and ur will power and self belief that got u through all this while...


MY BEST WISHES TO U BUDDY... AND CHANGE THAT USERNAME ASAP :):nono::)

Hi puys,
My profile is
10th - 80 %
12th - 94.2%
Graduation - 84.7 % ( 2010 Passed out )
Got placed in HSBC immediately after my graduation but couldn't work for a long time due to some family reasons. I Have worked only for 4 months. I have pay slips and reliving letter too. But since then i didn't work anywhere. I have prepared a lot for CAT 2011 but i couldn't get a good percentile. Don't know how i got such a pathetic score of 75 percentile. VA screwed me big time. But still i don't want to quit. CAT 2012 will be my 3rd attempt and my target is IIM-A. But i am really frustrated and tensed seeing the long gap after my graduation. Will it have a negative impact on me during PI of IIMs or any other good B-Schools..?? These thoughts are really making me worse. But still i am working hard towards my goal. Any experts here , Please tell me do i have to face problems due to this. I am writing bank exams in March. But i know it takes time to get call from Banks. So by March ending i will start doing a job once again. But my only problem is that gap which i have now. But i have learnt a lot during this gap. I was very poor at communication skills and presentation skills. Now that is not the case and i desperately need a good B-school to do my MBA. Do i stand a chance if i can clear CAT with a very good percentile. Or will that Gap have an effect during PI...??? Please help me regarding this. Waiting for replies.....

Regards,
Hydrocker.

dude, just concentrate on ur CAT'12 and nothin else study hard n crack it !!!

let it be a gap year, one year shudnt matter anywhere.. u just need to defend it in the interview.. and u wud b able to wid 99+ percentile in ur kitty... confidence wud b automatically following u.........

wen u hav d capability, y not use it.... dnt think of wat wil happen in the interview.. d cross questions and all.. dey r also humans and d panel too must be knowing of the hard times in everybdy's life its fyn !!!!


all d best

I have been going through various threads helping students in gdpi preparations for finding answers to my queries but i didnt get so here i am asking-
What reason should i give in interview about my pathetic academic scores..
10th-95(Merit)
12th-53%
Graduation-51%(With below 50 in final and 3rd year)
CAT-89.83%ile
took a year drop after my engineering to gain composure and start living normally. I was suffering from depression after 10th std.. don't know the reason was diagnosed in 1st year when my mom forcefully took me to a psychiatrist....i was under treatment for 1 year..after that refused to take doctors treatment and medicines...as it was not at helping and was damn expensive..and by that time i knew the reason of depression was violence at my home because of my elder brother(I am ashamed of talking about such personal things in public but i have to because i really want to change my life by getting into a good MBA college). My parents are very supportive but my brother totally ruined our life...i went into depression after things went just to out of control...didnt go to class...my back log increased...fear got scared of back log...when went to class i was so behind from everyone and also so many problems at home(in between i proposed to girl whom i loved thinking that should would be great support to me but she rejected which further ruined my condition)....my friends got away from me....i was alone...somehow i got admission in some engineering college after 12th...there too i got involved in bike accident and fractured my ankle and right wrist terribly...was not able to write for almost 1 year or so..i have recovered somehow a little bit really scared as to what reason i should mention in pi regarding such pathetic acads...i dont want to pity myself ...i have matured a lot..and become very strong emotionally..i know i am waay better than what my acads show.. and yes i regret what i ahve done terribly i should have studied no matter what but still...i was not able to.. i was too lost that time...please help me..what should i do..



Sorry for long post

ur pathetic performance was due to bad timing of ur misfortune.

depression is not somethin new. its fyn dude !!
it was d reality and no one can run away from it :)
so wat happened happened !!
wat i feel is ki marks shud hav no connection wid 'doing' mba or not .unfortunately... bcz of so much population i.e aspirants n less jobs in our country, soo many ppl are after mba.

and dat too not for any interest or something, dey just wanna earn 'handsomely'..
so d motive is not 'education' or 'mba' or anything, motive is 'money'

and see, u r quite eligible for it.. ambani was illeterate ;)

wat i wanna say is ki dnt loose hopes, its fyn dat u didnt score gr8 in the past but show ur strenthg now !! show ur enthu, ur passion ur learnings :)

dnt try to evade ur scorecard... u hav got a decent perc in CAT..

ur "today's" personality and confi is much more imp dan ur past's academic performance ;)

dnt b sad.. n fight !!!

all d best

Hello my profile is as follows
10th-91%
12th-78%
grad(b.com)-56.2%
Cat-86%ile
gave other 2-3 entrance exams also but didnt score good marks....

its been now 5 years that i am not able to study....was a very bright hardworking student(not a slogger,used to understand evrything)
love to study even now(but not able to study)
lost my focus because of the issues with the girl i had a crush on after 10th(long story)
then went into depression because of family problems/inablity to study/bunks to classes also increased which led to constant increase in my backlog/friends went away and all(long story again)
didnt study at all after that... gave my 12th like by studying 1 or 2 hours only the day before main 12th board exam...
after that i thought of changing my field(i was getting decent engineering colleges on the basis of cet and aieee also) and went into commerce...was not able to study there..college didnt take place and even tution classes were for just 1 hour a day....rest 23 hours i dont know what to do..i was at home sitting and reading novels or sitting with a book in my hand and doing nothing...empty mind is devils workshop...
3 years of graduation and i still dont know whats debit credit even after being a commerce graduate student.....dont now how i became so useless...had an affair with lovely girl in final year and the same year break up(communication problem)..scored pathetic 49% in final year graduation........life is getting miserable day by day.......after final year i have to take a year gap as my dad was admitted in hospital for 3 months and adviced further house rest for 3 months.....my confidence level has gone down like anything......i had a bright future and i know i myself have ruined it.......i could have been so much better in my life...........gave cat also without any prepartion....scored 86%ile ..gave ibps also without prepartion (scored 155,a very good score i realised,but didnt clear one section,but still my less than 60% in graduation already limit my chances to only few banks)......filled few college forms........but i am just down and tired........cant tell all the problems

wtf man !!!

u wer d gud student ??
getting 100 perc marks has no relation wid happiness.
wat i wud suggest is "sit" , relax and decide wat u wanna do in life.... u wanna be a gud student who wanna study hard like an ass and get a decent job and den proceed or u wanna do wat u want to do (i can make out that u dnt like studying but u study for d sake of it... )

decide abt urself, focus on it n bang

Frankly speaking, with whatever you have told, you would not have any problems with this question in the interview.

The best way to answer about pathetic academic scores is to be brutally honest....

One thing which comes out from your life is your character.. you have faced some really adverse problems which not many people go through. You are in a way, much better prepared and suited to face further problems in ways than other people. All the troubles in your life, has infact made you a better person.

Now, if the question comes about poor acads, you tell the interview panel the same thing which you've written here, but don't stop just there. You can convince them more by saying that you've learnt about life which not many people at your age would have learnt about etc etc. You should also end up by saying how mentally strong, the incidents which occurred in your life has made you and how transformed you are sitting in front of the panelist now than how you would have been if you had a normal life..

Hope that helps..

Wont they feel its better to stay away from someone who was going through depression? If i tell them all this wouldnt they feel like i am full of excuses and just lament over my past and pity myself all the time?

Hi puys,
My profile is
10th - 80 %
12th - 94.2%
Graduation - 84.7 % ( 2010 Passed out )
Got placed in HSBC immediately after my graduation but couldn't work for a long time due to some family reasons. I Have worked only for 4 months. I have pay slips and reliving letter too. But since then i didn't work anywhere. I have prepared a lot for CAT 2011 but i couldn't get a good percentile. Don't know how i got such a pathetic score of 75 percentile. VA screwed me big time. But still i don't want to quit. CAT 2012 will be my 3rd attempt and my target is IIM-A. But i am really frustrated and tensed seeing the long gap after my graduation. Will it have a negative impact on me during PI of IIMs or any other good B-Schools..?? These thoughts are really making me worse. But still i am working hard towards my goal. Any experts here , Please tell me do i have to face problems due to this. I am writing bank exams in March. But i know it takes time to get call from Banks. So by March ending i will start doing a job once again. But my only problem is that gap which i have now. But i have learnt a lot during this gap. I was very poor at communication skills and presentation skills. Now that is not the case and i desperately need a good B-school to do my MBA. Do i stand a chance if i can clear CAT with a very good percentile. Or will that Gap have an effect during PI...??? Please help me regarding this. Waiting for replies.....

Regards,
Hydrocker.

In my opinion, justifying a gap is not really much of a problem if you ace CAT. It just shows your determination and perseverance. Typically, the question on gaps hardly comes in the interview ( from my personal point of view ).

I think, the best thing for you right now should be to stop worrying about PIs and rather prepare for the actual CAT. Once you ace actual CAT, trust me.. no one would be bothered to know whether you have a gap or not etc etc...

And once you get the calls, you'll get lots of help on how to be justifying and convincing in front of the panelist about the gap.

....

So for now, concentrate on preparation of CAT and not PIs....

I have been going through various threads helping students in gdpi preparations for finding answers to my queries but i didnt get so here i am asking-
What reason should i give in interview about my pathetic academic scores..
10th-95(Merit)
12th-53%
Graduation-51%(With below 50 in final and 3rd year)
CAT-89.83%ile
took a year drop after my engineering to gain composure and start living normally. I was suffering from depression after 10th std.. don't know the reason was diagnosed in 1st year when my mom forcefully took me to a psychiatrist....i was under treatment for 1 year..after that refused to take doctors treatment and medicines...as it was not at helping and was damn expensive..and by that time i knew the reason of depression was violence at my home because of my elder brother(I am ashamed of talking about such personal things in public but i have to because i really want to change my life by getting into a good MBA college). My parents are very supportive but my brother totally ruined our life...i went into depression after things went just to out of control...didnt go to class...my back log increased...fear got scared of back log...when went to class i was so behind from everyone and also so many problems at home(in between i proposed to girl whom i loved thinking that should would be great support to me but she rejected which further ruined my condition)....my friends got away from me....i was alone...somehow i got admission in some engineering college after 12th...there too i got involved in bike accident and fractured my ankle and right wrist terribly...was not able to write for almost 1 year or so..i have recovered somehow a little bit really scared as to what reason i should mention in pi regarding such pathetic acads...i dont want to pity myself ...i have matured a lot..and become very strong emotionally..i know i am waay better than what my acads show.. and yes i regret what i ahve done terribly i should have studied no matter what but still...i was not able to.. i was too lost that time...please help me..what should i do..



Sorry for long post

Frankly speaking, with whatever you have told, you would not have any problems with this question in the interview.

The best way to answer about pathetic academic scores is to be brutally honest....

One thing which comes out from your life is your character.. you have faced some really adverse problems which not many people go through. You are in a way, much better prepared and suited to face further problems in ways than other people. All the troubles in your life, has infact made you a better person.

Now, if the question comes about poor acads, you tell the interview panel the same thing which you've written here, but don't stop just there. You can convince them more by saying that you've learnt about life which not many people at your age would have learnt about etc etc. You should also end up by saying how mentally strong, the incidents which occurred in your life has made you and how transformed you are sitting in front of the panelist now than how you would have been if you had a normal life..

Hope that helps..

Hi puys,
My profile is
10th - 80 %
12th - 94.2%
Graduation - 84.7 % ( 2010 Passed out )
Got placed in HSBC immediately after my graduation but couldn't work for a long time due to some family reasons. I Have worked only for 4 months. I have pay slips and reliving letter too. But since then i didn't work anywhere. I have prepared a lot for CAT 2011 but i couldn't get a good percentile. Don't know how i got such a pathetic score of 75 percentile. VA screwed me big time. But still i don't want to quit. CAT 2012 will be my 3rd attempt and my target is IIM-A. But i am really frustrated and tensed seeing the long gap after my graduation. Will it have a negative impact on me during PI of IIMs or any other good B-Schools..?? These thoughts are really making me worse. But still i am working hard towards my goal. Any experts here , Please tell me do i have to face problems due to this. I am writing bank exams in March. But i know it takes time to get call from Banks. So by March ending i will start doing a job once again. But my only problem is that gap which i have now. But i have learnt a lot during this gap. I was very poor at communication skills and presentation skills. Now that is not the case and i desperately need a good B-school to do my MBA. Do i stand a chance if i can clear CAT with a very good percentile. Or will that Gap have an effect during PI...??? Please help me regarding this. Waiting for replies.....

Regards,
Hydrocker.

I have been going through various threads helping students in gdpi preparations for finding answers to my queries but i didnt get so here i am asking-
What reason should i give in interview about my pathetic academic scores..
10th-95(Merit)
12th-53%
Graduation-51%(With below 50 in final and 3rd year)
CAT-89.83%ile
took a year drop after my engineering to gain composure and start living normally. I was suffering from depression after 10th std.. don't know the reason was diagnosed in 1st year when my mom forcefully took me to a psychiatrist....i was under treatment for 1 year..after that refused to take doctors treatment and medicines...as it was not at helping and was damn expensive..and by that time i knew the reason of depression was violence at my home because of my elder brother(I am ashamed of talking about such personal things in public but i have to because i really want to change my life by getting into a good MBA college). My parents are very supportive but my brother totally ruined our life...i went into depression after things went just to out of control...didnt go to class...my back log increased...fear got scared of back log...when went to class i was so behind from everyone and also so many problems at home(in between i proposed to girl whom i loved thinking that should would be great support to me but she rejected which further ruined my condition)....my friends got away from me....i was alone...somehow i got admission in some engineering college after 12th...there too i got involved in bike accident and fractured my ankle and right wrist terribly...was not able to write for almost 1 year or so..i have recovered somehow a little bit really scared as to what reason i should mention in pi regarding such pathetic acads...i dont want to pity myself ...i have matured a lot..and become very strong emotionally..i know i am waay better than what my acads show.. and yes i regret what i ahve done terribly i should have studied no matter what but still...i was not able to.. i was too lost that time...please help me..what should i do..



Sorry for long post

i scored a meagre 82.94 in cat and 80.96 in XAT.. had worked hard for them...but nothing worked out in my favour :|
the worst part....i was pinning all hopes on NMAT..in which i had scored 206 wid balanced sectionals..missed the OA by 2 bloody marks....:banghead:
in fact i had started preparation for NMIMS gd... had hoped to post a happy msg on the NMAT call getters thread... BUT IT WASNT MEANT TO BE :splat:

i am in my third year of graduation...economics..have good acads..above 90..
i am sitting for placements for a few companies.. and got a call from NIBM , pune..IMT nagpur /hyderebad..and "EXPECTING" calls from IFMR or LIBA..
but after such a close call from NMIMS.. ye dil hai k manta nahi :shock:
really dont know how to make head or tails of my situation

Well it all depends on how badly you want something...

I believe this was probably your first attempt at MBA entrance exams....

So .. again .... .. it all depends on how badly you want something

subash_r Says

Well, typically finance companies look at people with stellar academic records. I am talking about Investment Banking profiles and I kind of feel it would be very difficult for you with less that 60 percent in your XII. However, certifications like CFA will definitely add value, but given the level of competition in the batch, it might be difficult for you to differentiate yourself. What I would suggest is, to be open towards other disciplines of management too, and once you get into a B School, try hard for finance. But if you dont get it, keep yourself mentally prepared to get into any other domain as well.

pls ans my PM

Buddies i have a query of my own. Here's my profile :
10th : 79.8%
12th : 57.6%
B.tech : 66.4% (fresher)
CAT 2011 : 92.5 %ile

As if it wasn't already difficult enough for a computer engg like me to make a switch to finance somebody advised me that it won't be ideal for me to choose finance in MBA as it'll pose massive problems (like not eligible for major financial companies/profiles) for me during placements owing to my dismal acads. For me finance has been the only choice as my MBA specialization since day 1 but of course i don't want myself to be rejected by my dream companies just cuz of my past. I realize that even if i work hard during my MBA i won't be eligible even if they put up a consistent 60% criteria. I have plans to start my CFA level 1 after an year to strengthen my profile. I want to take an informed decision as i'll be investing close to 10 lakhs and 2 years of my life. What do you suggest guys ?

Well, typically finance companies look at people with stellar academic records. I am talking about Investment Banking profiles and I kind of feel it would be very difficult for you with less that 60 percent in your XII. However, certifications like CFA will definitely add value, but given the level of competition in the batch, it might be difficult for you to differentiate yourself. What I would suggest is, to be open towards other disciplines of management too, and once you get into a B School, try hard for finance. But if you dont get it, keep yourself mentally prepared to get into any other domain as well.

i scored a meagre 82.94 in cat and 80.96 in XAT.. had worked hard for them...but nothing worked out in my favour :|
the worst part....i was pinning all hopes on NMAT..in which i had scored 206 wid balanced sectionals..missed the OA by 2 bloody marks....:banghead:
in fact i had started preparation for NMIMS gd... had hoped to post a happy msg on the NMAT call getters thread... BUT IT WASNT MEANT TO BE :splat:

i am in my third year of graduation...economics..have good acads..above 90..
i am sitting for placements for a few companies.. and got a call from NIBM , pune..IMT nagpur /hyderebad..and "EXPECTING" calls from IFMR or LIBA..
but after such a close call from NMIMS.. ye dil hai k manta nahi :shock:
really dont know how to make head or tails of my situation

Tough luck bud.But look at it this way. If you didn't get any calls it is because you are meant for something better (like IIMs ) ....If you wanna do an MBA this year convert all calls and then decide.....If you still feel you deserve better then think of GD/PI prep as adv prep for nex year....Your attitude can make all the difference.....ATB :clap: ...btw I am in a similar dilemma ,but I know I'll get through
and so will you, so be patient.

i scored a meagre 82.94 in cat and 80.96 in XAT.. had worked hard for them...but nothing worked out in my favour :|
the worst part....i was pinning all hopes on NMAT..in which i had scored 206 wid balanced sectionals..missed the OA by 2 bloody marks....:banghead:
in fact i had started preparation for NMIMS gd... had hoped to post a happy msg on the NMAT call getters thread... BUT IT WASNT MEANT TO BE :splat:

i am in my third year of graduation...economics..have good acads..above 90..
i am sitting for placements for a few companies.. and got a call from NIBM , pune..IMT nagpur /hyderebad..and "EXPECTING" calls from IFMR or LIBA..
but after such a close call from NMIMS.. ye dil hai k manta nahi :shock:
really dont know how to make head or tails of my situation

even i m inspired by doc ...
atleast he scored 93 percentile in previous attempts...

i m not even near to him.. but yes... apna kaam hai kaam karna...

exactly...but even if ur not doc...(lesser beings can settle for a 99.5 )...all d best...n remember....aaaal izzz well.................

emperork Says

hey man itni subah comment dal rahe ho..in understand the frustration on ur part..but d thing is mba is not everything....give it ur best shot....look @doc....100%ile even though he got a 93 last yr...1 person is enuf for getting inspired coz u need only 1 seat...and don even try sayin there;s a diffn in caliber.....every1 has innfinite potential which may lie unharnessed within,,,

even i m inspired by doc ...
atleast he scored 93 percentile in previous attempts...

i m not even near to him.. but yes... apna kaam hai kaam karna...

Hello my profile is as follows
10th-91%
12th-78%
grad(b.com)-56.2%
Cat-86%ile
gave other 2-3 entrance exams also but didnt score good marks....

its been now 5 years that i am not able to study....was a very bright hardworking student(not a slogger,used to understand evrything)
love to study even now(but not able to study)
lost my focus because of the issues with the girl i had a crush on after 10th(long story)
then went into depression because of family problems/inablity to study/bunks to classes also increased which led to constant increase in my backlog/friends went away and all(long story again)
didnt study at all after that... gave my 12th like by studying 1 or 2 hours only the day before main 12th board exam...
after that i thought of changing my field(i was getting decent engineering colleges on the basis of cet and aieee also) and went into commerce...was not able to study there..college didnt take place and even tution classes were for just 1 hour a day....rest 23 hours i dont know what to do..i was at home sitting and reading novels or sitting with a book in my hand and doing nothing...empty mind is devils workshop...
3 years of graduation and i still dont know whats debit credit even after being a commerce graduate student.....dont now how i became so useless...had an affair with lovely girl in final year and the same year break up(communication problem)..scored pathetic 49% in final year graduation........life is getting miserable day by day.......after final year i have to take a year gap as my dad was admitted in hospital for 3 months and adviced further house rest for 3 months.....my confidence level has gone down like anything......i had a bright future and i know i myself have ruined it.......i could have been so much better in my life...........gave cat also without any prepartion....scored 86%ile ..gave ibps also without prepartion (scored 155,a very good score i realised,but didnt clear one section,but still my less than 60% in graduation already limit my chances to only few banks)......filled few college forms........but i am just down and tired........cant tell all the problems

Hi Abhishek,
A post in this thread at 4:57 in the morning speaks volumes about your state of mind . . .I have just one thing to tell u: u can nvr change wht has already happened. I knw your past must be haunting u evrytime u try and look forward to a happy successful future bt friend, FEAR DOES NO GOOD
don't let fear or past failures dictate terms to u . . u hve 91% in Xth ! u have the fire in you.. just don't give up because of smthin vich cannot be alterd nw .
U need to realise that u deserve better in life n work towards it. you have to have confidence in your potential n don't allow negativity in your thots.
whenevr you feel down n tired & life seems too difficult: think of the life u'll have, how proud your parents will be when you achieve that coveted position u dreamt of.
one vry inspirig example is prem_ravi sir,

"I was a good student till my 9th standard way back in 1992 & then disaster stuck in the form of our family issues & I could never do justice to my studies"
He waited for 18 years to achieve his dream
one last thing : follow the thread where stalwarts like prem_ravi, chandoo have posted dere experience, "Inspiring stories of people who belled the CAT"
u'll be touched.
CHEERS !!
LIFE IS GOOD . Enjoy it !

@all..
i just want to say that whatever happens... come what may..but one shud not give up simply because of a bad profile...
bhai try karna apna kaam hai.... phal to bhagwaan dega...

btw the people mentioned by me ... both were GENERAL category students

hey man itni subah comment dal rahe ho..in understand the frustration on ur part..but d thing is mba is not everything....give it ur best shot....look @doc....100%ile even though he got a 93 last yr...1 person is enuf for getting inspired coz u need only 1 seat...and don even try sayin there;s a diffn in caliber.....every1 has innfinite potential which may lie unharnessed within,,,

Hello my profile is as follows
10th-91%
12th-78%
grad(b.com)-56.2%
Cat-86%ile
gave other 2-3 entrance exams also but didnt score good marks....

its been now 5 years that i am not able to study....was a very bright hardworking student(not a slogger,used to understand evrything)
love to study even now(but not able to study)
lost my focus because of the issues with the girl i had a crush on after 10th(long story)
then went into depression because of family problems/inablity to study/bunks to classes also increased which led to constant increase in my backlog/friends went away and all(long story again)
didnt study at all after that... gave my 12th like by studying 1 or 2 hours only the day before main 12th board exam...
after that i thought of changing my field(i was getting decent engineering colleges on the basis of cet and aieee also) and went into commerce...was not able to study there..college didnt take place and even tution classes were for just 1 hour a day....rest 23 hours i dont know what to do..i was at home sitting and reading novels or sitting with a book in my hand and doing nothing...empty mind is devils workshop...
3 years of graduation and i still dont know whats debit credit even after being a commerce graduate student.....dont now how i became so useless...had an affair with lovely girl in final year and the same year break up(communication problem)..scored pathetic 49% in final year graduation........life is getting miserable day by day.......after final year i have to take a year gap as my dad was admitted in hospital for 3 months and adviced further house rest for 3 months.....my confidence level has gone down like anything......i had a bright future and i know i myself have ruined it.......i could have been so much better in my life...........gave cat also without any prepartion....scored 86%ile ..gave ibps also without prepartion (scored 155,a very good score i realised,but didnt clear one section,but still my less than 60% in graduation already limit my chances to only few banks)......filled few college forms........but i am just down and tired........cant tell all the problems

Buddies i have a query of my own. Here's my profile :
10th : 79.8%
12th : 57.6%
B.tech : 66.4% (fresher)
CAT 2011 : 92.5 %ile

As if it wasn't already difficult enough for a computer engg like me to make a switch to finance somebody advised me that it won't be ideal for me to choose finance in MBA as it'll pose massive problems (like not eligible for major financial companies/profiles) for me during placements owing to my dismal acads. For me finance has been the only choice as my MBA specialization since day 1 but of course i don't want myself to be rejected by my dream companies just cuz of my past. I realize that even if i work hard during my MBA i won't be eligible even if they put up a consistent 60% criteria. I have plans to start my CFA level 1 after an year to strengthen my profile. I want to take an informed decision as i'll be investing close to 10 lakhs and 2 years of my life. What do you suggest guys ?

@all..
i just want to say that whatever happens... come what may..but one shud not give up simply because of a bad profile...
bhai try karna apna kaam hai.... phal to bhagwaan dega...

btw the people mentioned by me ... both were GENERAL category students