hey Amit,

Very well done. Congrats on having cleared the GD round and being selected for the PI round. Going by our post the PI's look very elaborate at CRISIL.
As my GD and PI are on 17th I think the steam will be out and the panel will not be in a mood to ask too many questions......Thats is when I clear the GD :tongue:
I was wondering if you cld elaborate a lil more on ur GD. By that I mean what was it that made you stand out from the rest of the gang in the GD round. What was it that the GD panel was looking for. Quantity,content,coherence,More air time,....yada yada
please let us know...
Cld u explain why u were ased so many quetions on stocks and other related stuff? Related work ex?

Thanks again for the exp share.

Guys,

If you have attended the GD and PI please post ur exp. This will be of great value for many people not just the current batch but also the future CCAP aspiring guys.
I think while posting the GD exp it will be awesome if a brief desc cld be given abt the salient points discussed.This will help make sense of wht the panel is looking at while eliminating the candidates.:detective:
thanks in advance.

All the best and Cheerio:xmas:

# amit
how were dey so specific about ICICI bank stock movement????
bec u wrk in ICICI kya????
in acda wat did dey grill u on????
i m in final year engg
and got prjct as PORTFOLIO managemnt
do u thnk wld dey ask me on dat
were d 3 ppl u were talking in d thru d GD/PI round
r dey looking at quality or auantity in GD

hey amit, does every1 have to write an essay or is it just ppl who were shortlisted on the basis of CAT/XAT score?

Its strange no body has posted his/her GDPI experience till now ...

Nyways , i had my GDPI at 11 AM today , though it started at 1 PM because group 1 was running late ..nyways , our group had 10 students ..

Firstly we had GD .

Topic : Artificial Intelligence - Will machines replace man one day ?

I initiated the GD & then made 4-5 entries in the first 5 mins . Few times it became one to one argument type of situation ..
After 5 mins , they asked three of us to stop participating :whatthat: ( i knew we were thru to the next round ) Then GD continued for another 10 mins without much healthy points coming us ...Then they stopped the GD & asked us to wait .. Rating : 7/10

Then came the results ... 5/10 selected ( in the morning group they selected 6/12 )[ Its a very healthy 50 % elimination,guys, which i never expected to happen considering the very low no of candidates at this stage ]:yell:

nyways , then they asked two of us who had qualified thru CAT to write the essay which was same as u wrote during ur exam.. It want pathetic , cant able to think much on the topic ..mine Rating : 5/10

Then came the PI round ...

Mine was no. 4 for PI ... Average duration was 10-15 mins ..
I was grilled a lot on Acads, subprime crisis & its impact on india , about ICICI Bank share price movement , supply chain mgmt & lots more ...
Was not sure for many answers .. Then they asked me abt my preference between CRISIL & MDI/IMT... I honestly told me that mine first pref would be MDI & IMT wud be mine last pref after CRISIL ..

Then some smiles exchanged .. Thats it ...they shaked hands & i came out .
I am not very satisfied with my performance, but this was the general feeling in mine group as they grilled on acads . But still hopes are high because of very lower no. of people interviewed. ;-)

Nyways , ATB to all the future candidates ..

Signing Off !!

P.S : Any comments & views r welcome from seniors ...

hi
please post your experiences in the gd/pi.
it will be a great help.
thanks

Hey

Am sure some of the CCAp aspirants have their GD's and PI's round the corner so I wanted to wish all best of luck.

I also had a request people please after your GD's and PI's post your experience abt the whole process it will be very useful.

Thanks and luck

Hi guys,
That's true that if Crisil does not get good quality then it might not take people just to fill up the seats. But i think you all have enough confidence that you wont fail to fulfill Crisil's criterias.
Fo more info u all can visit Crisil-ccap community on orkut

rjas Says

is it possible tht crisil instead of taking 75 interns take less no of thm?

Yeah buddy ..

on the basis of talks i had with some of the seniors , i got to know that if they dont find enough no. of suitable candidates , they would take lesser no. of interns :(

Though i am still very much apprehensive about it because last year also they filled all 45 seats & if there is question of not even selecting 75 interns is there , then there would be no probability of even a second merit list ( or waitng list )

is it possible tht crisil instead of taking 75 interns take less no of thm?

It seems that probably i am in the very first group amongst the ppl appearing for GDPI...

nyways , i wud definitely post my experience once i m done with it...

Thanx buddy... ATB to u...

A request to guys from all the centers... Pls post ur GD/PI experiences immediately.. I think delhi is the first one... ATB puys...

It seems that probably i am in the very first group amongst the ppl appearing for GDPI...

nyways , i wud definitely post my experience once i m done with it...

A request to guys from all the centers... Pls post ur GD/PI experiences immediately.. I think delhi is the first one... ATB puys...

Group No.: M3

Date: 15th April 2008

Time: 2:00 PM

Venue: CRISIL Ltd.,
CRISIL House,
121-122, Andheri Kurla Road,
Andheri East
Mumbai - 400 093.
Phone: 022-66913001 / 66913184
any one frm this group
and hw come u ppl come to knw khe GD is an elimination round

Hey buddy me in the same batch... How u preparing for GD/PI l??

Group No.: M3

Date: 15th April 2008

Time: 2:00 PM

Venue: CRISIL Ltd.,
CRISIL House,
121-122, Andheri Kurla Road,
Andheri East
Mumbai - 400 093.
Phone: 022-66913001 / 66913184
any one frm this group
and hw come u ppl come to knw khe GD is an elimination round

Buddy...its mentioned in the e-mail that GD will be an elimination round , as pointed out by seniors earlier also..


ATB !!!

Group No.: M3

Date: 15th April 2008

Time: 2:00 PM

Venue: CRISIL Ltd.,
CRISIL House,
121-122, Andheri Kurla Road,
Andheri East
Mumbai - 400 093.
Phone: 022-66913001 / 66913184

any one frm this group
and hw come u ppl come to knw khe GD is an elimination round

congrats dude
even i am having the same date and centre but m in 11:00 group
seniors some questions are waitng to get answered

Buddy...me in the same group & same slot...

give me ur contact no thru PM or Orkut , so that we can get in touch...

hello Puys !!!

Mine GDPI schedule :

Group D2

7th April .... New Delhi .... 11 AM

Probably the first group to be interviewed

Anybody from the same group please PM me or scrap on my orkut profile ...

All The Best Everybody !!!

Hi,
congrats, Me too in the same group and same time. I am from hyderabad.

got the mail
Group No.: B1

Date: 11th April 2008

Time: 10:00 AM

Venue: Regus Business Centre,
L-9, Raheja Towers,
26-27, Mahatma Gandhi Road,
Bangalore - 560 001.
Phone: 080 - 4180 0800
any1 from bangalore

got the mail
Group No.: B1

Date: 11th April 2008

Time: 10:00 AM

Venue: Regus Business Centre,
L-9, Raheja Towers,
26-27, Mahatma Gandhi Road,
Bangalore - 560 001.
Phone: 080 - 4180 0800

any1 from bangalore

i got the gd/pi e-mail
date:7th april
time:2:00 pm
venue:
CRISIL Limited,
The Mira,
G-1, 1st Floor, Plot No. 1 & 2,
Ishwar Nagar, Near Okhla Crossing,
New Delhi - 110 065.

i might not attend the interview,since i converted MFC...

congrats dude
even i am having the same date and centre but m in 11:00 group
seniors some questions are waitng to get answered

got the gd/pi e-mail
date:15th april
time:2:00 pm
venue MUMBAI

Guys at other centers do post ur experinces after the sessions....

Biggest THREAT is GD is an ELIMINATION process....

i got the gd/pi e-mail
date:7th april
time:2:00 pm
venue:
CRISIL Limited,
The Mira,
G-1, 1st Floor, Plot No. 1 & 2,
Ishwar Nagar, Near Okhla Crossing,
New Delhi - 110 065.

i might not attend the interview,since i converted MFC...

hii guys..

the personal intimation thru emails should reach u in 5-6 working days.. if u have any queries regarding the numbers posted or if u dont recieve ur email then call up mr. ganesh or mail him at the numbers on tis link
CRISIL Certified Analyst Programme
there has been quite extensive replies from quite a few of us seniors abt the gd/pi process for guys from various backgrounds on "Crisil CCAP" coommunity on orkut.. we have been quite active on orkut.. do got thru on our posts on orkut.. and if u guys still have some queries.. feel free to post them ther/here...

all the best for ur gd/pi.

Praful

any body got any email

Even mine voll viva dates r clashing wth the GD?PI daes at mumbai
by d way
wat are the topics egnerally dey ask at GD

yup dude it was the app form no

i think theres no mail till now.
hope we will all receive or gd/pi dates n venue soon
me in great fix with my final exams clashing with the interview dates alloted to my centr.ie. delhi on 7,8,9.
by the way where are the seniors man.........its ur time to guide us through .

Hey
evn i m thru
and i would like to take dis oppurtinity to thnxs all d seniors fr their guidance and taking time out to answer our quires
hey guys did u get any mail fr crisil intimating abot we being shortlisted???

Hey
Am in too
Am glad I made it.
I would be thankful to Seniors who have had the pleasure of attending the GD and PI to guide us abt the process and share their experience.
Congo guys who made it to the list

ne mails from crisil regarding schedule
do post if u get the one.

Hey,
Congratulations to all who got through.
I had a query culd somebody please tell me what are the numbers on the link for the results?
Are they the seat numbers or are they the roll nos.
I dont recollect my seat number and my form number doesnt feature in the list.

Thanks in advance.

PS I wrote the CCAP test.

I don't even remember my seat no. I think they are the application numbers. Atleast I hope so...

Hey,
Congratulations to all who got through.
I had a query culd somebody please tell me what are the numbers on the link for the results?
Are they the seat numbers or are they the roll nos.
I dont recollect my seat number and my form number doesnt feature in the list.

Thanks in advance.

PS I wrote the CCAP test.

no mails till now

hey me too short listed...... neways has ne1 of u recieved the mail regarding the gd/pi schedule

If they have given the application numbers there then, me to in !!!

Yipee !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am also in....................... atlast something good that i have in my hand...................

hey well i would say keep ur domain basics right.

they will rather give u any topic for a GD mayb even put up a dot(.) on the board n ask u to discuss it
talk to the point n dont make usless arguments (ememies right at the beginning)

for the PI its rather a very simple question"y CCAP?"


best of luck n congratulations to those who r through !!!!

hey can anyone tell me...how many hv they called on the basis of written test?...
also im an engineer with ECE backgrnd so can ne one tell me what shud i prepare for interviews and gd...when will the final results be declared?..

me thru on the basis of written test..

approx. 180 have been shortlisted.. as many as 75 seats are awaiting.. do go thru ur basic ece fundaes.. also do think and make a convincing answer to the question;- y finance.. it can direct ur whole interview...

hey can anyone tell me...how many hv they called on the basis of written test?...
also im an engineer with ECE backgrnd so can ne one tell me what shud i prepare for interviews and gd...when will the final results be declared?..

me thru on the basis of written test..

me thru....

Hi Guys,

The results are out for CCAP test. Check it on CRISIL Certified Analyst Programme
Regarding the experiences of the first batch... the good news is that we all are creating a separate blog for the CCAP so soon you all will get to know everythin involved with CCAP.

yup as we told CRISIL is not compromising on the quality of intakes.

n results sud be arnd the 20th of march ie; this thursday
or the next monday

it was a nice experience sittin for the crisil test......
abt the paper i can say that it was a typical cat like paper but certain questions were litle too easy especialy in the quant section.
di was reasonably ok as it always is in most of the exams,
english i found moderatly difficult especially those close syn. and ant...
overall it was pleasant.
i attempted around 45questions
quant-14
di-19
eng- 10-12

I called up the CRISIL office today and was told that the result will be out on Thursday, 20th March.

I hope the results will be out either today or tomorrow as it was mentioned that results will be declared within a week of the written test.

hey seniors when will the results be out for the exam?....
no postings on this thread,seems ppl arent interested!!

hey no activity on this thread....
but i found many ppl givin the exam,plz post ur comments,experience ,expectations..etc
it wud help future candidates...
whats the matter guys lets discuss the topic...

hey guys how was the paper........i found it to be tougher than most MBA exams which i have given this season,based on the cat pattern with an addition of an essay!!!(500 word long and that too an abstract topic,i cudnt thnk much more so due to the way the exam was managed by the school authorities,some ppl were quite rightly enraged by the invigilator's behaviour and lack of profeesional manner in our centre)
but i thnk the paper was of gud level which shows the importance of this course and its perceived value in the industry(CRISIL entry aint easy...)
ne ways ppl post ur attempts and thoughts on the exam soon!!
on the flip side i cud write just abt 100-125 wds on essay and also not too confident on my chances..
hey seniors when can the results be expected,what is the expected cutoff?..

Hi guys,
I got to know the level of the paper was quite tough and the eassy thing was a surprise pack for u all, CRISIL is not going to compromise on the quality of people even if the number required is not met, so u guys are expected to be ready for a rigoroud procedure even in the future.
Results are expected within a week or so.

hey guys how was the paper........i found it to be tougher than most MBA exams which i have given this season,based on the cat pattern with an addition of an essay!!!(500 word long and that too an abstract topic,i cudnt thnk much more so due to the way the exam was managed by the school authorities,some ppl were quite rightly enraged by the invigilator's behaviour and lack of profeesional manner in our centre)
but i thnk the paper was of gud level which shows the importance of this course and its perceived value in the industry(CRISIL entry aint easy...)
ne ways ppl post ur attempts and thoughts on the exam soon!!
on the flip side i cud write just abt 100-125 wds on essay and also not too confident on my chances..
hey seniors when can the results be expected,what is the expected cutoff?..

Hello Puys !!

I had applied for CCAP & got the call on the basis of my CAT score... I have applied for Advisory Business unit.

I have some queries....

1) Hows the GDPI process like ...is there any diff. when compared with bschools ?

2) Whats the weightage for written test scores at the time of final selection ( as it is written in the brochure that it wud be one of the criterias in final selection )

3) Is there any Bond you have to sign with CRISIL after the completion of the program

4) How many ppl apply for the program ?

Thanks in advance ...:D

Hello Amit,

The GD/PI is very much like an MBA interview where you are tested upon your aptitude in terms of interaction level with people and your assertiveness too, the interview basically judges you on your fields of interest and why do you want to join the course and how do you perceive the course.

There is no bond to work with CRISIL after the course, and that's the best part of the course i suppose.

Last year around 700 people applied, this time round the same kind of response is expected. Since the program is a start-up and new intiative the amount of applications will remain quite less for few years and that gives people applying right now an incentive in terms of less competition.

None of the selection rounds have any weightage i suppose, the Written is an elimination process followed by the GD and the interview. What matters is the final perception which the selection committte has about you.

Hope that satisfies you.................

Hello Puys !!

I had applied for CCAP & got the call on the basis of my CAT score... I have applied for Advisory Business unit.

I have some queries....

1) Hows the GDPI process like ...is there any diff. when compared with bschools ?

2) Whats the weightage for written test scores at the time of final selection ( as it is written in the brochure that it wud be one of the criterias in final selection )

3) Is there any Bond you have to sign with CRISIL after the completion of the program

4) How many ppl apply for the program ?

Thanks in advance ...:D

Hi Guys,

Just wanted to add to everything that has been said till now. CCAP is a unique program in itself which has been initiated by CRISIL. The program is an educational cum employment program. This does not come to you as a sustitute to your MBA. I have always been saying that this program gives you an edge over others in terms of the learnings and experience you get due to the unique design in terms of academics as well as the internship. It gives you a head start to your career in the area of finance.
But this course is not the one with which u settle down in life. People with lots of experience and qualifications should join this course keeping in mind that it doesnt earn you fast bucks. CRISIL as well as CCAP wud be a BRAND which u will have to leverage upon as much as u can.
The academics is as good as any B-School or for that sake any other course being run in the country. The opportuniy costs are also there but yeah u can very well capitalize well if u commit urself to two years of intensive learning.

Hey,

Can anyone please advise if the shortlisted candidates list is out for the next round that is GD PI...if so, how can I check

Sourabh Verma

Sourabh,
There is no "list" as such at the moment. If u've submitted ur application in person, u wud know rite away if u need to appear for CRISIL's aptitude test. If u don't clear their cut-offs, u'll receive an admit card to appear for the test on 09/03/2008.

If u haven't rcvd any intimation yet, email ccap@crisil.com

-G

Hey,

Can anyone please advise if the shortlisted candidates list is out for the next round that is GD PI...if so, how can I check

Sourabh Verma

The choices of people may be based on several factors other than percentile and hence a course coveted by one may not even exist on another's shortlist.

the guy with 99.5%ile got an NM convert and hence din't join the course. Yet, we do hv people here with 97+ in cat/xat and some guys with MBA converts who preferred to join this course over doing MBA.....I would like to suggest here that every candidate only needs to choose what's best for him given the options he has and think if a given option is a step forward in the direction of achieving his goal.

As regards, current location of trng is NITIE, Powai and office is ANdheri-E with both places roughly 1 hr. of travel apart at max.

For our batch, The business units , once alloted, cannot be changed during the tenure of the course. I believe the same rule applies to the second batch as well.

Hi All,

Dheeraj:
Regarding entrance exam, I believe the cutoff for CAT/XAT was 85%ile and not 90 as mentioned before. Though I had not appeared for CCAP entrance test, from the sample paper and from feedback of last year's applicants I conclude that it is much easier than CAT/XAT...so just brush up your fundas a bit...keep a cool mind...just another exam.

GD

My GD grp had people having %iles ranging from 85 to 99.5 with a mix of engineers, comm grads, science grads and an IMA ka banda. The topic was very generic:' Everything is fair in love, war and business'. Panel comprised three fellows from CRISIL's management(panel varies from location to location).blank papers were given for jotting down your thoughts. opportunity to speak equally available..boils down to you...entirely.

During my GD the panel would intervene during GD to ask top contributors (top not in terms of points or airtime but in terms of content) to remain silent- an indication that they were through to the nxt round. Also it is worthwhile to note down the salient points of the discussion as it progresses for you may be asked to summarize the GD.

PI

arnd 6/10-12 members of my gd made it to nxt round to be conducted by same panel.
Questions revolve arnd your background, your intention behind pursuing course, your ability to relocate to mumbai( if a non-Mumbaiiite), your workex( if any), your fav subject( mostly asked to freshers), your ability and willingness to endure the rigour of working and studying, questions relating to your contribution during gd, your conclusion abt gd, wht you write in form etc

It is very clear that there is no specific number of candidates that will be shorrtlisted during gd as there have been GDs in which only one candidate was shortlisted out of a gr of 12. same applies to pi

My advice: say the truth during pi....stick to your guns.

There is absolutely no bias or favour towards people with fin/commerce/eco/ workex/ localite/gender backgrounds.


There was a waitlist of 12 candidtaes last time....

present faculty: al ready answered by afx

present job involves doing credit rating for a foreign client( varies from dept to dept)

expectation: as promised by crisil

pls post further queries on this thread only.

Thanks, i am through for the next round based on my CAT/XAT scores, and is the course so coveted, that even ppl with 99.5 %ile have applied for it? is the work and study place at the same location or at different geographies? also can we choose to change to work for a different business unit from the one we marked in the application form?

Latest update :
The Cut off for both XAT an CAT this year has been 90%ile and the sectional Cut-offs are 80 percentile in each section.
So others less than that do expect a call for the aptitude test.

Hi All,

Dheeraj:
Regarding entrance exam, I believe the cutoff for CAT/XAT was 85%ile and not 90 as mentioned before. Though I had not appeared for CCAP entrance test, from the sample paper and from feedback of last year's applicants I conclude that it is much easier than CAT/XAT...so just brush up your fundas a bit...keep a cool mind...just another exam.

GD

My GD grp had people having %iles ranging from 85 to 99.5 with a mix of engineers, comm grads, science grads and an IMA ka banda. The topic was very generic:' Everything is fair in love, war and business'. Panel comprised three fellows from CRISIL's management(panel varies from location to location).blank papers were given for jotting down your thoughts. opportunity to speak equally available..boils down to you...entirely.

During my GD the panel would intervene during GD to ask top contributors (top not in terms of points or airtime but in terms of content) to remain silent- an indication that they were through to the nxt round. Also it is worthwhile to note down the salient points of the discussion as it progresses for you may be asked to summarize the GD.

PI

arnd 6/10-12 members of my gd made it to nxt round to be conducted by same panel.
Questions revolve arnd your background, your intention behind pursuing course, your ability to relocate to mumbai( if a non-Mumbaiiite), your workex( if any), your fav subject( mostly asked to freshers), your ability and willingness to endure the rigour of working and studying, questions relating to your contribution during gd, your conclusion abt gd, wht you write in form etc

It is very clear that there is no specific number of candidates that will be shorrtlisted during gd as there have been GDs in which only one candidate was shortlisted out of a gr of 12. same applies to pi

My advice: say the truth during pi....stick to your guns.

There is absolutely no bias or favour towards people with fin/commerce/eco/ workex/ localite/gender backgrounds.


There was a waitlist of 12 candidtaes last time....

present faculty: al ready answered by afx

present job involves doing credit rating for a foreign client( varies from dept to dept)

expectation: as promised by crisil

pls post further queries on this thread only.

The application form also asks us to select our choice of business from Ratings, Research, Advisory & Global Analytical Centre. I went thru the website & read abt these.

But what's ur personal take on these? Any advice, suggestions wud b welcome...

-G

See Domestic ratings is the what CRISIL is best at. Its known for that. Advisory is another great consultancy business. Research is wherein CRISIL does a broad research on market in terms of economy etc.
Global Analytical centre is the offshoring business of CRISIL wherein we work with Standard and Poors core operations and look after rating of US and Europian markets as well as other Asia Pac countries.

Personally i would rate the in the following order in terms of my interest....
Advisory
CRISIL Research
GAC'
Domestic Ratings


If u wanna know the details i have replied on the forum if not mba then what in career discussions itself