I don't know the exact terms for these inane sentence structures... but I think it has something to do with the use of less or lesser with people or number of people.

So the corrected version of the first sentence will be...

There are lesser people in Nebraska than in Denver

... the second sentence is the relatively correct one in these two..

Also which is the best version among these three..

a. There are lesser people in Nebraska than in Denver

b.There are lesser people in Nebraska than 'there are' in Denver

c.There are lesser people in Nebraska than Denver

Option C is definately incorrect as you are comparing the number of people in Nebraska to the number of people in Denver and not Denver itself. So even if the sentence conveys its meaning, it is still incorrect and as someone has already mentioned in this thread, it is more of a science..

which leaves choice A and choice B... and me back to square one with two options when there should have been just one.

ciao

tanuj
(member of the SC sucks club!)

Hi tanuj,

These are not inane statements bcos these r the things u will be found out on the GMAT,


Firstly, a. There are lesser people in Nebraska than in Denver
is WRONG

The correct one is There are fewer people in Nebraska than in Denver

I think for lesser this one is correct....

There are lesser num of people in Nebraska than in Denver

Can anyone confirm

Hi all,



Another Small trivia............ Which one is correct ?

1. There are lesser number of people in Nebraska than in Denver


OR

2. There are less number of people in Nebraska than in Denver


Cheers
Sumit

I don't know the exact terms for these inane sentence structures... but I think it has something to do with the use of less or lesser with people or number of people.

So the corrected version of the first sentence will be...

There are lesser people in Nebraska than in Denver

... the second sentence is the relatively correct one in these two..

Also which is the best version among these three..

a. There are lesser people in Nebraska than in Denver

b.There are lesser people in Nebraska than 'there are' in Denver

c.There are lesser people in Nebraska than Denver

Option C is definately incorrect as you are comparing the number of people in Nebraska to the number of people in Denver and not Denver itself. So even if the sentence conveys its meaning, it is still incorrect and as someone has already mentioned in this thread, it is more of a science..

which leaves choice A and choice B... and me back to square one with two options when there should have been just one.

ciao

tanuj
(member of the SC sucks club!)

Jesus...was that English Grammar?

LOL...I have been referring to SC tips from Princeton Review and it has been awesome.

Though this is a thread solely dedicated to SC, I would like to add this : For CR and RC try gettingur hands on Kaplan. Its pretty decent.

Thats my two or perhaps three cents.

Cheers.

What is the parts of speech (PoS) of the underlied word...





The music in the nearby apartment sounded loud.

A. transitive verb
B. intransitive verb
C. linking verb
D. auxiliary verb
E. modal verb

Hi all,


Another Small trivia............ Which one is correct ?

1. There are lesser number of people in Nebraska than in Denver


OR

2. There are less number of people in Nebraska than in Denver


Cheers
Sumit

choice 2....
its just a guess

Hi all,


Another Small trivia............ Which one is correct ?

1. There are lesser number of people in Nebraska than in Denver


OR

2. There are less number of people in Nebraska than in Denver


Cheers
Sumit

Hi reachmonil

Equestrian enthusiasts predict taht the alleged abuse of anabolic steroids among
horse trainers would subside as long as the testing of the animals is more random
and more rigorously enforced.

1. would subside as long as the testing of the animals is more random and
2. would subside if testing of the random animals were
3. will have subsided when testing of animals is more random and
4. will subside if random testing of animals were
5. will subside if random testing of animals is


Here the answer is 5 bcos you can eliminate the ones with "would" as they are incorrect but what if the two choices you were left with were.......

1. will subside if random testing of animals is
2. would subside if random testing of animals is

Now which one would be correct ?

As per ur logic here would should be used as use of steroids would get subsided if random testing of animals happens.

Thanks
Sumit

Hie Sumit..

Well... i believe... 'Would' has a sense of precondition to fulfill ... ie. X would happen if Y would happen... or sumthing like dat.... so theres an implied condition..... whereas 'will' happen is come what may... its gonna happen... !

hope it clrs doubt!

chaO!

Hi

I got ur point , so which one woould be correct...............

ABC predict that X would happen.

ABC predict that X will happen.

Cheers
Sumit

Wanted to ask a question.............

ABC predict that X would happen.

ABC predict that X will happen.

Hie Sumit..

Well... i believe... 'Would' has a sense of precondition to fulfill ... ie. X would happen if Y would happen... or sumthing like dat.... so theres an implied condition..... whereas 'will' happen is come what may... its gonna happen... !

hope it clrs doubt!

chaO!

Hi All,

Wanted to ask a question.............

ABC predict that X would happen.

ABC predict that X will happen.

Which one is correct ?

I am asking this question because sometimes one has to choose b/w will and would, both are future tense.... which one to choose...

Thanks
Sumit

wowwwww !!
This thread rocks .. !!
Thanks to Baba Yaga, Catalytic n all ....
more SC questions expected ..
$@@

Though SC is not much iq i think it is more to do about checking on your clarity of thinking. Baba's strategy is really a great way to train your mind to think more clearly for sc... Ofcourse i have to find time to study for the GMAT... which is getting tougher by the day....

K

Goto scoretop.com and search for Princeton Verbal workout...
Search around and u will get to the pdf... Its generally available to download thro a thread....

As PG said I think read the basic stuff and after that its practice... There is hope, because its not exactly to do with IQ. So practice can get u from 30% to 80% for sure. Higher than 90% then ur a certified ETS grammar god.
K

Where exactly in scoretop.com should I search for Princeton Verbal Workout???? There is a place at the right side of the page.

dobb Says

Hi Catalytic .... can you mail me the SC1000 ziplet.

Seriously ... did u not read my previous post.. i clearly mentioned it is not possible for me to send the files to each and everyone (especially with my dial up) .. Have written the sites where u can find them.. search for the resources on that site and u will get loads of other stuff ..

Hi Catalytic .... can you mail me the SC1000 ziplet.

Please do not flood my PM box.. as mentioned by DesiGuru testmagic.com and scoretop.com have lot of resources for those preparing for GMAT. Not possible for me to send everyone the files. Please search thru above mentioned sites and u fill find lot of useful data

Thanx

Hi could u please pass me on that 1000SC u mentioned in ur quote please ?
Please send at ******@****.com
Vivek

Hie Vivek....

No posting of personal data like tel nos. or email ids. in the public domain. so edit it from ur post b4 the mods step in!

also.... use PM to contact catalytic for the same!

chao!

Hi could u please pass me on that 1000SC u mentioned in ur quote please ?
Please send at resumevseth@yahoo.com.
Thanks.
Vivek

1&2
What i have realised in my preperation that ETS english is more of a science than English. Questions are based on certain rules that can be identified while solving them. Initial brush up of Grammer can be done thru Wren Martin or thru many websites on the net

3. If u can get hold of Princeton or Kaplan for PRACTICE (only) . Otherwise there is a doc file of 1000sc doing rounds on the net though the answers given are not reliable (pm me if u want it)

4. Sole tip . read ur questions carefully and analyse each and every question even if u did it correct. The catch is to find why others are wrong

5. Okey dokey

Disclaimer : Author is also preparing for GMAT. Following his advise is upto u .

This is truly good effort and a meaningful + useful post baba.. keep the good work going.:thumbsup:

Instead of just having a general discussion on SC strategies, I thought it would be useful if I list down a sample SC, and my approach towards tackling it ... I'm sure if others also do the same thing, this thread will be tangibly more beneficial to guys preparing for GMAT ... And don't just list down the right answer, but why you think that answer is right, and the others are wrong ...

Ok ... Let me start off ...


Unlike the lives of Pushkin, Gogol, Tolstoi, and Dostoevski, subjects of other Troyat biographies, Chekhov belongs to the twentieth century, an age of fretfulness and melancholy skepticism.

(A) Unlike the lives of Pushkin, Gogol, Tolstoi, and Dostoevski, subjects of other Troyat biographies, Chekhov belongs

(B) Chekhov, unlike the other Troyat biographies of Pushkin, Gogol, Tolstoi, and Dostoevski, belongs

(C) The life of Chekhov, unlike the lives of the subjects of other Troyat biographies, Pushkin, Gogol, Tolstoi, and Dostoevski, belongs

(D) Chekhov and his life, unlike that of the other Troyat biographiesPushkin, Gogol, Tolstoi, and Dostoevski, belong

(E) The life of Chekhov, unlike that of other Troyat biographies of Pushkin, Gogol, Tolstoi, and Dostoevski, belongs



The first thing I do to an SC when I see it is eliminate the noise ... What do I mean by that? ... let's take the sample sentence above ...

- Pushkin, Gogol, Tolstoi, and Dostoevski can all be replaced by one word - composers ...


- Eliminate "Troyat" - it does'nt add any value ... Biographies will do where Troyat biographies was mentioned ...
- "an age of fretfulness and melancholy skepticism" ... No relevant information, and not even appearing in the answer choices ...

Now the sentence reduces to -

Unlike the lives of composers, subjects of other biographies, chekhov belongs to the twentieth century.

That's it ... That is all the information that is relevant to solving the SC ... This is the meat ... The rest of the noise I have eliminated ... This helps to get focus on the main concept being tested ...

And now to attack the problem ... Analyse each choice ...

(A) ... Unlike the lives of composers, Chekov belongs ... WRONG ... comparing lives with Chekov ... Apples and Oranges comparison ...

(B) ... Chekov, unlike the other biographies, belongs ... WRONG ... comparing Chekov with Biographies ...

(C) ... The life of Chekov, unlike the lives of composers ... Seems right ... proper comparison ... But lets check out the rest of the options ...

(D) ... Chekov and his life - belong to the 20th century ... WRONG ... It's only Chekov's life that belongs, not both of them ... Moreover, comparing Chekov and life with biographies ...

(E) ... The life of Chekhov, unlike that of other biographies ... WRONG ... Comparing Chekov's life to the life of other biographies ...


So the answer is 'C' ... In the analysis above I'm not just identifying the correct answer, but WHY it is correct and WHY the others are wrong ... Apply this same approach sincerely, and you'll see your SC problems melting away before your eyes! ...

Other PGites reading this thread ... Please send in a sample question of your own, with your strategies and approach towards the problem ...

I have never seen so many replyes and discussions goin on a post. Amezing information dude... all, please contribute...

Insane - GMAT preperation...

Goto scoretop.com and search for Princeton Verbal workout...
Search around and u will get to the pdf... Its generally available to download thro a thread....

As PG said I think read the basic stuff and after that its practice... There is hope, because its not exactly to do with IQ. So practice can get u from 30% to 80% for sure. Higher than 90% then ur a certified ETS grammar god.
K

Download after searching from scoretop.com. Its a 10MB file cannot be mailed easily...

K

Hi can anyone post the link for the this file mentioned. sentence correction is one area which is giving me jitters. my accuracy rate is only 30%. please suggest me a course of action to correct the same.

I gave the first test on PP.

Got 680 with 48 ( percentile 90) maths and 35 in vocab (percentile 75). Weak Sections were Sentence Correction (Disastor), Reasoning, Co-ordinate Geometry.

Can anyone suggest me a strategy to improve sentence correction. I have about two months to prepare.

srikanthrn Says

hi catylytic can i have preinceton verbal eformat.ur help is appreciatedan will save lot of time for me.

Download after searching from scoretop.com. Its a 10MB file cannot be mailed easily...

K

Princeton verbal workout is available is eformat

hi catylytic can i have preinceton verbal eformat.ur help is appreciatedan will save lot of time for me.

hey nice link desiguru. do u have a similar link or a website that is useful for gre prep?

edited to delete

If you have the eformat verbal workout can u send me....

earthware@gmail.com or pm me your email id.

Kaplan 800 is supposed to be a good book for the hardest math & verbal (not as good as math) and other than the test practice, OG this is the best complement.
one of kaplan/princeton is a given.
Which GMAT-CAT tests do you have...
I am in Andheri. Where are you at? Pune?

K

Great Comments Catalytic!

I have the sc1000 file and lots of other e-stuff... Thats my current state of preparation
I am looking for the following books

Kaplan 800 and verbal workout princeton... Kaplan 800 i am gonna definitely buy somehow... I just need to know where... amazon ofcourse is the last bet...
By the way check out MBA.com There are 20 cities where u can write the GMAT for free... for a month or so. india is not in the list... too bad eh...

Also one of the best single links (non-website) for GMAT study is ...
http://home.comcast.net/~dave.kim/GMAT_Study_Strategy.htm

Anyone in mumbai with GMAT books lying around pm me...

K

Princeton verbal workout is available is eformat
sadly Kaplan 800 is not available in eformat . Have seen it on firstandsecond.com but ppl have not given gr8 reviews about it . Where in mumbai u stay ??..

Great Comments Catalytic!

I have the sc1000 file and lots of other e-stuff... Thats my current state of preparation
I am looking for the following books

Kaplan 800 and verbal workout princeton... Kaplan 800 i am gonna definitely buy somehow... I just need to know where... amazon ofcourse is the last bet...
By the way check out MBA.com There are 20 cities where u can write the GMAT for free... for a month or so. india is not in the list... too bad eh...

Also one of the best single links (non-website) for GMAT study is ...
http://home.comcast.net/~dave.kim/GMAT_Study_Strategy.htm

EDIT: scoretop.com and testmagic.com are the two best sites almost required reading for those trying for 700+
Downloaded entire Kaplan 2004 CD contents from scoretop.com. Amazing!

Anyone in mumbai with GMAT books lying around pm me...

K

Trying to make it the first thread in the newly changed pagalguy structure...

Please give your comments on the following.

1. How to fundamentally improve your grammar concepts for the GMAT?
2. Is the ETS style of thinking English different from us indians?
3. Advice on the best stuff on the internet and books for SC.
4. Any other tips or tricks to improve here...
5. You can put interesting SC questions (esp if you remember your actualy GMAT questions) from anywhere net or book

bring it on...

K

1&2
What i have realised in my preperation that ETS english is more of a science than English. Questions are based on certain rules that can be identified while solving them. Initial brush up of Grammer can be done thru Wren Martin or thru many websites on the net

3. If u can get hold of Princeton or Kaplan for PRACTICE (only) . Otherwise there is a doc file of 1000sc doing rounds on the net though the answers given are not reliable (pm me if u want it)

4. Sole tip . read ur questions carefully and analyse each and every question even if u did it correct. The catch is to find why others are wrong

5. Okey dokey

Disclaimer : Author is also preparing for GMAT. Following his advise is upto u .

i think the book "Answers to the real essay questions" from arco is a really good book. its actually meant for awa section of gre. but it does give us a fair idea of the so-called American way of sentence formation. Whaz the opinion of the elite pg junta on this.

Muaahahaha.. tell me about SC . My first GMAT, I scored a 620 or so..with a staggering 24 or so on the Verbal Section. The second time I took it up, I scored a 40 or so .. and I knew VA was the one that caused me the most pain!

To get over with SC, I did what I usually do best - went the brute force way. I ended up practicing hundreds of SC and when I hit around 400 or them, I started to see the wrong answers pop up rightaway on the first read. But I realize that what worked for me, may not necessarily work for anyone else here.

As for resources, you can check out the Princeton/Kaplan Verbal Work out books. I bought the Kaplan one at fabmart and the Princeton one at Sify