@dampy said:

I have uploaded the files for higher education in germany .These files have been collected from various resources on internet and have been put together in one place.http://download.35mb.com/dampy/Cheersthe dampy

Hey Dampy,I was basically from Hyderabad and working in TATA motors @ delhi with B.E. in Mechanical.
Thinking for higher studies in Germany as I was interested that place from childhood, Kindly suggest for
1) Procedure for getting in Universities.
2) Cost for fees and living expenditure,
3) Is geman language must.
4) Scope of job in german Automobile industries,
and please send me the Daad's address in delhi so that I can visit once, Even need reply for these.
Regards
Samrat

can anybody give me an idea about HHL Leipzig? Heard its a good college for MBA and taught in English. It also has exchange tieups with MDI back in India. Course fee is around 20k Euros.
But am not sure about the quality of teaching or its reputation. Can nyone throw some light?

hey!

i hope this thread is still active.....

i have been accepted in univ of esslingen for masters in automotive engg......i need a lot of info.....
bout the univ....
if its recognised in india (coz i wanna come bac as soon my course finishes)....
where can i learn german? im working so really cant attend classes.....i dont no ne german!
ne other help that ppl can provide is always welcome

I have uploaded the files for higher education in germany .These files have been collected from various resources on internet and have been put together in one place.



http://download.35mb.com/dampy/


Cheers

the dampy

thanx a zillion daksh...its so useful specially for ppl like me who wud apply next yr...thanx once again

I have uploaded the files for higher education in germany .These files have been collected from various resources on internet and have been put together in one place.



http://download.35mb.com/dampy/


Cheers

the dampy

as for selection i have got the confirmation email for msc in computer engineering from University of Duisburg-Essen. I will post in more after i get the confirmation letter. I do not have german language skills so i will be doing the german course at university only.

kindly do post in what course u r looking for

cheers

Hey ppl, just let us know if any one of u has applied/been accepted at any German Univ. If anyone planning to apply, pls list out the univs u r applying to.
Regards
Pradeep.

few yahoo grps frm where u can get more info...

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Destination-Germany
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MS_Germany
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/foreignstudentsingermany


hey thanx daksh for the link

ciao

hi ppl

just wanna ask u something...for admission in german univ do u need 15 yrs or 16 yrs of formal education??? i want to pursue MS in comp sci so was just curious abt this..also wud like to know that how gud is german univ for tech courses..i know that it has some gud colleges but wud there be recognised here in India???


thanx

Ah norms vary from univ. to univ. in germany whether u need 15 or 16 years education plus some univ. do not even ask for either toefl or gre or gmat

but some ask for toefl plus gre

some ask for ielts or toefl plus gre

some only ask for ielts or toefl

All permutations and combinations exist

Regarding ur doubts on german univ. recognition they r world class and are accepted everywhere

thanks

dampy

Adding on sweden also there is Masters Course in International Marketing

Mlardalen International Master Academy

U need proof of english .check out the link.

Read on the site to know your exact criterion



Check this link out

http://www.mdh.se/ufo/int/mima/index.shtml

Tuition fees is 0



Regarding information stuff... I have really worked hard on collecting information from people,organizations etc.

There is yahoo group on indians in germany

http://groups.yahoo.com/indians

There is yahoo group on indians at linkoping sweden

Now if any one of u stay in metros go to daad office .. they give u free cd, other stuff and all.. IN delhi it is at lodhi estate
http://newdelhi.daad.de


Starting Jan 2005 visa regulations are relaxed... if u study for 2 years master course u get 3 year visa.

I have classmates in frankfurt and dresden so that helps me a lot plus i stay in touch with people in germany thru this group on yahoo...

They are generous lot.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Indians-in-Germany

Problem is if u r planning to study in germany pick up german fast either from goethe institute at max muller bhavan (it is a good one)
Course starts from Jan 2005

Sweden is advantageous b'coz u dunn need to pick up swedish coz swedes are good at english like we r at hindi and english ...

Plus when u stay at sweden for more than 3 months then u get automatically a residence visa so need for work permit (But it is other matter that jobs r rare in sweden)

Infact u can say no chances after course to work in sweden and do not think of bearing ur living expenses by part time job.

Sweden is giving u free education think as if u r going there for studying .. do not bother about jobs once u pursuing ur course studies... b'coz it will spoil ur studies

A list of complete institutes in sweden can be found out over here..

http://www.sweden.se/templates/SISProgramSearch____5046.asp

if this does not work go to www.studyinsweden.se


Currency in sweden is SEK ... one sek is equal to Rs. 6-7

Ur monthly expenses will be something around 6,000 sek or more offcourse depends on ur life style..

I have applied to 7 +1 =8 universities in sweden and germany for my ms studies

I will get results in about april month or so..

Germany univ. have April and October(maximum have this ) intake

Swedish Univ. have August and Feb Intake

http://www.aisl.cyd.liu.se/blogs/freshers/

is also good for people looking for linkoping university in sweden

It has been made indians based there.

nice readin this thread!!! but got a qn 4 all of u... why is germany educating ppl for charity? esp when they stand 2 gain nothing? another episode of nazism??? neo nazism? or pseudo nazism??!!!?

hi ppl

just wanna ask u something...for admission in german univ do u need 15 yrs or 16 yrs of formal education??? i want to pursue MS in comp sci so was just curious abt this..also wud like to know that how gud is german univ for tech courses..i know that it has some gud colleges but wud there be recognised here in India???


thanx

ist Holy grail sehr gut...

As for these german B-schools, I am still unable to find credible info. GISMA is one good b-school there.. i m unable to find more..

das ist sehr gut!!!!

thanx pranay for the link

Try this buddy..
http://www.wir.fh-bonn-rhein-sieg.de/html/mba-_english.html

hey dampy

the link which u had mentioned doesnt open..cant access so where else can i search for this college

to add to above post

Bonn-Rhein-Sieg FH is offering an MBA in english fees is 1300 Euro for one year
which is 1300X52= Rs. 62,600 that is it

Admissions will take place for October 2005 intake .

Check out :

fb04.dekan@fh-bonn-rhein-sieg.de
Web Page http://www.wir.fh-bonn-rhein-sieg.de/html/mba.html

Hey Dampy, Daksh and others.. Thanks a lot for info. Dampy.. Could you please tell me as to where u got this info from? I searched a lot but everything on this site seems to be in german.
Moreover, i really couldnt track out a decent ranking list of german business schools.

Thanks.
Pranay

well u need to give only ur ielts or toefl and it is it in most universities....

and yeah since u r from delhi.... i would suggest u to make a visit to daad's office in delhi
they will give u cd for germany and also provide u details on education stuff in germany



even i m planning for the same... and me too from delhi

hey ppl

thanx ppl for all the info..i guess everyone is into this MBA thing...is there ne one who is interested in doing MS(Comp Sci) in GErmany...coz im gonna do that.CAT n MBA was just another option for me coz basically im a tech guy..did my grad in that and got a work exp frm wipro..its a diff thing that i left it for my CAT...stupid me..

neways i wanna ask u ppl that wats the exam u need to give to go to germany...GRE/GMAT/IELTS or nething else ??? and even im aware that IT is in boom in germany..so help me guys

to add to above post

Bonn-Rhein-Sieg FH is offering an MBA in english fees is 1300 Euro for one year
which is 1300X52= Rs. 62,600 that is it

Admissions will take place for October 2005 intake .

Check out :

fb04.dekan@fh-bonn-rhein-sieg.de
Web Page http://www.wir.fh-bonn-rhein-sieg.de/html/mba.html

ashish i think u didn't check out

http://www.higher-education-compass.de

and also check

www.daad.de

now if the course search also doesn't help then i think i have to list all the bschools offering such courses along with their sites

please note that r some diff. names for the courses in germany for mba .

here you can make a search of the course

i chked out the site but all i cud find is research univs /MS programs...
Do germany offer gud oppurtunites for MBA study ? If yes please post in the URLs

ashish

thanks gilli for ur help

U can add TU-Berlin as well to the list. Its considered one of the top tech univs in Europe.

Just to inform you Ritwik admissions are currently on for April 2004 session at some of the german universities and regarding the rankings i would suggest you check out the file which has been posted for download as it contains all the information ok


and some good universities are :



For MS comp, i can recommend u the following..

1. RWTH Aachen
2. TU Darmstadt
3. TU Munchen
4. Karlshruhe university
5. Univeristy of Saarbrucken..
6. Stuttgart University
7. Dresden university..


As far as information about people studying in Germany and all other facts..
U can join the Indians in Germany Yahoo Group

To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Indians-in-Germany/

Also check out the DAAD New Delhi site mentioned in my earlier post.

Well all those who are thinking that Germany is charging for MBA is a misconception that is it.

The material which i have posted via yahoo group is mainly about Indians aspiring for Germany

now a few points which dunn work in favor of Germany are that u really have to learn German inorder to get a plum job and Sriyukta as far as your concern regarding jobs are concerned i feel in the it all comes down on an individuals abilities to get a job. Without hard work u really cannot make a name for your self.

And this question regarding fees i dunno why this is being posted up i will repeat in 85% colleges fees are free i say again they are free exceptions are Sttugart Institute of Management Technology.

One Fact which is true is that IT is in Boom in Germany but on the same hand if an individual is willing to struggle then jobs are hardly a worry

Admissions in Germany are done 2 times in an year in April/October but mostly colleges go in for October intake.

For checking out more on Colleges in Germany i would recommend you can go out to DAAD

which is in all the major cities in Delhi.

I am also giving more links for those of u who might feel interested.
In Germany there are varied courses which include the traditional MBA ones plus some masters course in Economics and some MBA Courses on Public Health

here are some of the links

http://www.daad.de/
http://newdelhi.daad.de / www.daaddelhi.org
http://www.campus-germany.de

This contains list of all colleges not just MBA but all u can search by course name and also by Language.

http://www.dfg.de/foerder/grako/liste.html /
http://www.research-in-germany.de



Those interested in finding out more about IT jobs in Germany might want to
visit:
http://arbeitsamt.de/hst/international/engreencard.html
or contact the following e-mail address:
Bonn-ZAV.IT-Experts@arbeitsamt.de

Ranking of German Educational Institutions
www.university-ranking.de

Language and Area Studies
Goethe-Institut (called Max Mller Bhavan in India)
http://www.goethe.de

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To: "daksh"
Subject: Re: Student Enquiry!!
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 15:44:48 +0530


Thank you very much for your query.
General information on the higher education system in Germany and on aspects
related to international students in the Federal Republic in Germany can be
found under the following Internet addresses:
http://www.daad.de/
http://newdelhi.daad.de / www.daaddelhi.org

The German Academic Exchange Service (DAAD) is an association of higher
education institutions and student bodies in the Federal Republic of
Germany. The DAAD promotes international academic exchange. It acts as an
intermediary organisation in the field of foreign cultural, science and
education policy as well as in the field of education cooperation with
countries of the Third World. The DAAD homepage provides information for
German and foreign students, graduates and doctorates on the range of study
opportunities in Germany.


http://www.higher-education-compass.de
The Higher-Education-Compass provides information and links to all state or
state-recognised higher education institutions in Germany.

http://www.campus-germany.de
This web-site provides comprehensive information about living and studying
in Germany. One can even do a subject search and get a list of universities
offering the course of one's choice.

The following are other useful web-sites for general information about
studying in Germany:
http://www.gateway-to-germany.de
http://www.germany-opportunities.de
General information on admission: www.daad.de/deutschland/en/2.3.1.html
IPP - International Postgraduate Programmes: www.daad.de/ipp
IDP - International Degree Programmes: www.daad.de/idp


The websites also contain the information in German and English on various
universities or institutions in Germany and the courses offered by them. For
detailed information on admission requirements, application deadlines and
formalities, please contact the concerned University/Institute directly.

The following website contains the list of Graduate colleges offering
Ph.D./Research in various disciplines:
http://www.dfg.de/foerder/grako/liste.html /
http://www.research-in-germany.de
You could contact the concerned professor directly for doing Ph.D/Research
in a German University/Institute.

Following are some more websites for research opportunities
. Fraunhofer Gesellschaft (FHG)
www.fhg.de

. Hermann von Helmholtz-Gemeinschaft
Deutscher Forschungszentren (HGF)
www.helmholtz.de

. Max-Planck-Gesellschaft (MPG)
www.mpg.de

. Wissenschaftsgemeinschaft Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz (WGL)
www.wgl.de


Those interested in finding out more about IT jobs in Germany might want to
visit:
http://arbeitsamt.de/hst/international/engreencard.html
or contact the following e-mail address:
Bonn-ZAV.IT-Experts@arbeitsamt.de

Ranking of German Educational Institutions
www.university-ranking.de

Language and Area Studies
Goethe-Institut (called Max Mller Bhavan in India)
http://www.goethe.de
The Goethe-Institut operates worldwide as an organisation for teaching and
conveying German language and culture. On behalf of the German government,
the Goethe-Insitut fulfils cultural policy responsibilities abroad.
German language proficiency test: www.testdaf.de
E-learning: www.dw-world.de / www.uni-deutsch.de
Other German language courses: www.did.de / www.cdc.de


Scholarship-awarding Organisations
http://www.daad.de/info-f-a/en/foerderung/stipendien/index.html
Foreigners interested in DAAD services can search the scholarship database
for scholarship programmes, which suit their respective profile.

Scholarships are there even though i feel if they are not given then also u can study .


http://www.campus-germany.de
This web-site provides comprehensive information about living and studying
in Germany. One can even do a subject search and get a list of universities
offering the course of one's choice.

The following are other useful web-sites for general information about
studying in Germany:
http://www.gateway-to-germany.de
http://www.germany-opportunities.de
General information on admission: www.daad.de/deutschland/en/2.3.1.html
IPP - International Postgraduate Programmes: www.daad.de/ipp
IDP - International Degree Programmes: www.daad.de/idp


The websites also contain the information in German and English on various
universities or institutions in Germany and the courses offered by them. For
detailed information on admission requirements, application deadlines and
formalities, please contact the concerned University/Institute directly.

The following website contains the list of Graduate colleges offering
Ph.D./Research in various disciplines:
http://www.dfg.de/foerder/grako/liste.html /
http://www.research-in-germany.de
You could contact the concerned professor directly for doing Ph.D/Research
in a German University/Institute.


I have asked some guys who have gone in for graduate studies all are of the view that hard work has to be done yourself.

Fact is it is in the mindset of Indian Students that Foreign Studies are Expensive and not affordable.

Even i am in the stage of shortlisting some colleges and cannot afford expensive stuff.

Further more for Visa u need to show maximum 3.5 lacs that is it .


Hope this helps

Daksh

Hey, MBA is not free in Germany. It is cheap though (nothing when compared to US univs). Masters in Industrial Mgmt is free.
Cheers,
Pradeep.

Thats great work , daksh ! very informative :)

once upon a time , i too wanted to go to Germany for an MBA but as u say, the rules weren't clear then, and with the lack of counselors , i cudnt get proper guidance. However, one point that i wud like to bring up... how viable is an MBA from Germany , i mean the job prospects , as far as my enquiries revealed , a German MBA doesnt really ring bells here in India, and for working in Germany , its really tough finding a job, wat with all the 'anti foreigner feeling' prevelant there !!

I wud suggest u to find more abt the job scenario , that was the only factor that deterred me , otherwise being a PG scholar in German , and given the cost effective education.. it was a great choice !! hope u reach a more positive conclusion..than i did .


Wish u luck in ur Deutsch ventures , keep up the good work !!

Shriyukta

Hi everbody,

Thanks for the info about options available in Germany. I am also planning to apply there now. Could anyone, please post a list of good German Universities for computer science. Searching on Google, gives ambiguous results, and it would be better to have opinions of which univ to app to in Germany from experienced people like you all.

thanks
ritvik
www.geocities.com/ritviksahajpal

Hye these are the nes immigration laws in Germany w.e.f 1Jan 2005 and read those lines in Bold properly..

I am sorry i am using a sepatae post for this b'coz i believe mentioning these in that post would have made it confusing.


The German government and Opposition have finally come
to terms on a new flexible and effective immigration
law that would allow highly skilled labour into the
country unlike the terms offered under either the
current immigration or the Green Card scheme offered
to foreigners four years ago.


After 4 years of negotiating the terms and conditions
with opposition parties the German government has
finally won support for its final draft version of
immigration laws and is happy about the proposed
changes.

The new immigration law is the outcome of the current
state of the German economy and its demographic
situation. Currently, Germany has 82 million people of
whom there are approximately 7 million foreigners and
about 4 million unemployed people. This new
immigration law will be a major attempt on the part of
the German government to allow a major influx of
foreign employees since it closed it doors to guest
workers from Turkey in 1970.

Demographers have been wary with reference to the
rapidly aging population and falling birth rates that
could at some time in the future trigger a major
crisis in the country's overstressed pension and
welfare systems.
According to an article in Time:

Without an annual influx of at least 230,000 people,
Germany's population of 83 million will shrink to 51
million in 2050 and 24 million in 2100, according to
Reiner Klingholz, director of the Berlin Institute for
World Population and Global Development.


With the implementation of the new law the German
government is expecting an influx of approximately
200,000 people a year as opposed to the Green Card
scheme which had a total of 16,500 participants over a
period of 4 years.

Taking everything into consideration, especially the
fact that all the political parties have agreed to
this change, the new immigration law still has to be
approved by the lower and upper houses of parliament,
respectively, on 2 and 9 July, 2004. If approved, it
shall come into effect from the January 1, 2005.

The new immigration law will allow for the following:

Reducing the number of different residency permit
titles from five to two: the limited resident permit
befristete Aufenthaltserlaubnis and an unlimited
resident permit unbefristete
Niederlassungserlaubnis. The new laws regulating
foreigners would be more focused on what
qualifications the foreigners have to offer.

Highly qualified people would be able to receive an
unlimited residency permit for themselves and their
families to either set up their own business (with a
minimum investment of 1 million Euros and offer
employment to ten people) or be employed in Germany
from the very onset of their relocation to Germany
instead of going through a very tedious process
involving two to three different residency permits.
This would also allow highly qualified people to come
to Germany without having a job based on their
specialization and the requirements.

Foreign students who are completing their education
in Germany will be allowed to live in Germany for a
period of 1 year after completion to search for jobs.
The concept of a one-stop government is to be
followed whereby the foreigners office and the
employment office will decide via an internal process
to offer one of the two residency permits instead of
applicants having to go to one office after another
for a residence permit and a work permit.

Some of the old laws shall be maintained for example
people with not enough qualifications shall not be
permitted to enter the country or the rule of priority
which states that all jobs have to be offered to
German first then Europeans shall remain in force
In addition, the law also provides for language and
integration courses to help foreigners integrate into
German society. The integration courses shall be paid
for by the German government. These costs have been
estimated at approximately 188 million Euros for all
new immigrants and approximately 76 million Euros for
the existing 70 to 80 thousand foreigners in Germany
who need to be integrated.
The new immigration laws also allow for immigration
under other circumstances like humanitarian grounds,
asylum seekers etc. It has special provisions that
cover national security and allow for deportation of
immigrants under certain conditions.

Once the law is passed it still has to be seen if this
is what can kick start the largest economy in the
European Union

ya i have feedbacks and believe me all of them are positive.. infact my engg. batch classmate is there in germany also.... all of them are really in favor of germany ..

Best thing is these institutions of higher education in germany do not want money they want standard quality these are things that is why they are not having any tuition fees.. IN my opinion except USA Germany is the place to be for higher studies now that new Visa rules will come into effect after big debates b/w opposition and ruling party... and according to new visa rules foreigners are allowed to stay back in germany for one year for finding a job...

U check out my next post for that

But i invite all people aspiring Germany to join me b'coz one thing in case of germany is that not many counsellors we have for germany like other countries ...So hard work has to be done by students only ...


No standard of educ. is world class and one more thing as far as language is concerned Germany calls international students for masters programs only reason is that only they are offered in English..

I have friends in Hamburg,Dresden,Stuttgart in Germany all doing masters........

Hope this helps..

----------Cheers--------------

Dampy
meanwhile u read those attachments posted

Hey Daksh,
Du u have any feedback reagarding the studies there and the future prospects of getting a degree from a german univ.
I know of a couple of ppl who went to germany...from wot i have heard it was very good before.The study was in English and also they even made provisions to provide the students with indian food.But of late,I have heard that its not the same anymore...
Just something which i have heard abt...

Murtuza