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Thanks,
Deepak

Hi Guys & Experts,

I am planning on applying to ISB this year. Here is a look into my profile:

Education: 3 year Diploma in Engineering from India. BS (Computer Science) from a reputed US University. Currently pursuing Masters from another US University.

Years of Experience: 12+ years of Experience in IT Infrastructure & Middleware.
2+ years in India and 10 years in US + sometime in Europe.

GPA - Decent
ECA - Not that exciting.
GMAT - scheduled in August.

I can easily do MBA from a decent university here in US but that would be Part-time. But I want a career shift and want to move into Strategy Consulting and want to work for companies like BCG, Mckinsey, etc.

Any insights to the following questions would be greatly appreciated.

1. Does ISB prefers younger candidates who have 2-5 years of experience?
2. How difficult is it to make a career shift from IT to Business Consulting?

Also a critique on my profile is surely welcome.

Thanks

My pre-MBA experience was in IT. After my MBA, I got multiple offers in Strategy consulting, Technology, Finance, Mergers & Acquisition. I chose a role that combined Strategy and M&A.;

Just like in your case, there were several aspects that worked for me and several where I was at a huge disadvantage. If you search for my earliers posts, you'll get an idea of what I'm talking about.

So if you work out your career transition plan well and also have a ton of luck to support you thru the process, then the transition you look for isn't impossible. It'll be a struggle, though.

However for someone with your background, experience, and ambitions, I don't think ISB would be the right choice. And this has nothing to with the quality of education you'll get there (which is top notch). Just from a 'fit' perspective. Don't want to get into the details on this thread as it might be misinterpreted by those for whom this reasoning does not apply.

Happy to share my views offline, if you are interested.

Hi Guys & Experts,

I am planning on applying to ISB this year. Here is a look into my profile:

Education: 3 year Diploma in Engineering from India. BS (Computer Science) from a reputed US University. Currently pursuing Masters from another US University.

Years of Experience: 12+ years of Experience in IT Infrastructure & Middleware.
2+ years in India and 10 years in US + sometime in Europe.

GPA - Decent
ECA - Not that exciting.
GMAT - scheduled in August.

I can easily do MBA from a decent university here in US but that would be Part-time. But I want a career shift and want to move into Strategy Consulting and want to work for companies like BCG, Mckinsey, etc.

Any insights to the following questions would be greatly appreciated.

1. Does ISB prefers younger candidates who have 2-5 years of experience?
2. How difficult is it to make a career shift from IT to Business Consulting?

Also a critique on my profile is surely welcome.

Thanks

Hello everyone,

For the ISB PGP application, should the extent of work-experience (number of years) be based on the duration as of today, or based on the anticipated date of resignation upon receipt of admit ?

Thanks !

Friends,
All aspirants should take full benefit of Info session & should resolve their queries with Adcom+ find out whether ISB makes sense for them etc.. here is the complete City-wise schedule: India Locations
shorter list for Hyderabad scheduled sessions (2010)

Hyderabad Friday, June 11, 2010 18.00
Hyderabad Friday, June 18, 2010 18.00
Hyderabad Friday, June 25, 2010 18.00
Hyderabad Friday, July 02, 2010 18.00
Hyderabad Friday, July 09, 2010 18.00
Hyderabad Friday, July 16, 2010 18.00
Hyderabad Friday, July 23, 2010 18.00
Hyderabad Friday, July 30, 2010 18.00
Hyderabad Friday, August 06, 2010 18.00
Hyderabad Sunday, August 15, 2010 11.00
Hyderabad Friday, August 20, 2010 18.00
Hyderabad Friday, September 03, 2010 18.00
Hyderabad Friday, September 10, 2010 18.00
Hyderabad Friday, September 17, 2010 18.00
Hyderabad Friday, September 24, 2010 18.00
Hyderabad Friday, October 01, 2010 18.00
Hyderabad Sunday, October 03, 2010 11.00
Hyderabad Friday, October 08, 2010 18.00
Hyderabad Friday, October 15, 2010 18.00
Hyderabad Friday, October 22, 2010 18.00
Hyderabad Friday, October 29, 2010 18.00
Hyderabad Friday, November 05, 2010 18.00
Hyderabad Friday, November 12, 2010 18.00
Hyderabad Friday, November 19, 2010 18.00



Cheers
AJ

Dear Ajayshare,

I need you to analyze my profile and tell me if I have a chance at ISB.
I am a Mechanical Engineering graduate.

I passed out in May 2002 and have been working till date without any break in my career, My work experience is as below,(Total around 8 Years)

- 4 years in an Automobile manufacturing concern in the design engineering department,(In between I was deputed to the overseas parent concern for a period of 2 years for project management training, I returned last year)

Before that 2 years I was with an Engineering Services concern as a Team Ld

And before that 2 years in a Manufacturing concern (It includes 4 months as a a Design engineer trainee in another Machinery Mfr)

In addition when I was in the engineering services concern I completed M.Tech (full time) with adjustments in work timings and I topped the class.

In my academic life I have managed to do OK in my studies.

GMAT I am planning to write this July.. What is the score I should get to get into ISB..

I dont have any extra curricular activities except for organizing eco-trips for small batches of people.

Also any other point of advice is welcome from your experience.

Thanks in advance.

Allow me to comment on your profile on four important dimensions:

Analytical skills: limited signals: M.tech, class topper, self rating: ok
Work Experience: >avg 4.5, diverse, global
Leadership: team lead; need more data points
Diversity: ECA low, interest in eco trips,

With limited data points above, I have the following observations for you

1. Solid research & Introspect deeply on your goals (Short/medium/long term) - Immense clarity is required in application and interview stages for your exp. level
   
2. You need to get a decent GMAT (>690) as for you (~8 yr ex) and okay academics (self rated)- a good gmat will serve a signal of ability to take on the heavy duty course load at ISB to the Adcom!
   
3. Work upon your ECA and diversity section - but don't start doing new things now. revisit any interests/hobbies/passions you have had and take them to new levels now. Even if it requires deferring application to R2 : Do that !
   

All ISB Aspirants

Sometime back, I wrote an article on importance of detailed planning required for an ISB Aspirant at your stage. Recommend all of you to read it : 4 Steps to bring out the real you in MBA Application.

Let me know if you guys like the article! Alternatively, you may share it or tweet it from links on the article itself

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You're still talking audit. I'm talking top-notch consulting i.e. M/B/B. I believe I have very clearly put across the realizability of abhinavsud's explicit goals (as stated in his post) regarding his entry into a top-notch consulting practice. Clearly, this is the end of this discussion.

You may continue this conversation in private or on a consulting thread on PG - as it is of no value add to this specific thread designed to help out ISB CO2012 aspirants.

Thanks Jamir for your insightful comments.

I am indeed into coporate finance, my main function is to handle corporate spending.

My only community service is that I teach accounts at a government college as visiting faculty once in 2-3 months.

By principal consultant I meant the post above Senior Consultant.. i.e. one who delegates work and finds new business opportunities.

zoom2012 Says

Hey Jamir...Big4 firms do a lot more than auditing and tax they also have full fledged and highly successful advisory businesses such as IT advisory, Performance Improvement, etc. , wherein they follow the Principal Consultant designation....such designation I agree you wont find in Mckinsey or BCG but you will find them in other three firms which abhinavsud mentioned i.e. Delloitte, KPMG and E&Y; (all 3 of them being part of the big4....you will find the same designation in PwC also which is also a big4). I can vouch for all these facts easily as I have experience of working with 2 of the big4 firms...Further, you will also appreciate the fact that these big4 firms (especially Deloitte consulting) rank among the largest recruiters in India's top Bschools (IIMs, ISB etc.) and they wouldn't hire MBAs for audit work...ain't it?

You're still talking audit. I'm talking top-notch consulting i.e. M/B/B. I believe I have very clearly put across the realizability of abhinavsud's explicit goals (as stated in his post) regarding his entry into a top-notch consulting practice. Clearly, this is the end of this discussion.

You may continue this conversation in private or on a consulting thread on PG - as it is of no value add to this specific thread designed to help out ISB CO2012 aspirants.

Ahhhh, I spoke in perspective and in context. At the risk of digressing-

When you say Big 4 - are you talking accounting? You are, aren't ya?

Well, I was answering a question with regard to consulting - not Audit (How did we reach Audit? I don't remember anyone mentioning audit!). The designation "Principal" therefore, in the consulting context, refers to a "Principal" (I am not aware of anyone using the terminology "Principal Consultant") - which is one of the designations a Partner or sub-Partner may have.

Hey Jamir...Big4 firms do a lot more than auditing and tax they also have full fledged and highly successful advisory businesses such as IT advisory, Performance Improvement, etc. , wherein they follow the Principal Consultant designation....such designation I agree you wont find in Mckinsey or BCG but you will find them in other three firms which abhinavsud mentioned i.e. Delloitte, KPMG and E&Y; (all 3 of them being part of the big4....you will find the same designation in PwC also which is also a big4). I can vouch for all these facts easily as I have experience of working with 2 of the big4 firms...Further, you will also appreciate the fact that these big4 firms (especially Deloitte consulting) rank among the largest recruiters in India's top Bschools (IIMs, ISB etc.) and they wouldn't hire MBAs for audit work...ain't it?

Dear Ajayshare,

I need you to analyze my profile and tell me if I have a chance at ISB.
I am a Mechanical Engineering graduate.

I passed out in May 2002 and have been working till date without any break in my career, My work experience is as below,(Total around 8 Years)

- 4 years in an Automobile manufacturing concern in the design engineering department,(In between I was deputed to the overseas parent concern for a period of 2 years for project management training, I returned last year)

Before that 2 years I was with an Engineering Services concern as a Team Ld

And before that 2 years in a Manufacturing concern (It includes 4 months as a a Design engineer trainee in another Machinery Mfr)

In addition when I was in the engineering services concern I completed M.Tech (full time) with adjustments in work timings and I topped the class.

In my academic life I have managed to do OK in my studies.

GMAT I am planning to write this July.. What is the score I should get to get into ISB..

I dont have any extra curricular activities except for organizing eco-trips for small batches of people.

Also any other point of advice is welcome from your experience.

Thanks in advance.

Can you or anybody else tell me as to how to differentiate myself as far as my IT experience is concerned.

Regards,

Neha.

Neha, with limited insights into your profile (you obviously can't post too much about yourself on a public thread), most suggestions that you'll get will be generic and at a high level.

You can use the tips and suggestions available on blogs, websites etc as a reference. But at the end of the day, you'll have to figure out a personalised strategy for yourself based on unique experiences that you've had during your career.

Hi guys,

I am a Chartered Accountant presently with 4 years of post qualification experience.

Just a couple of queries:

What kind of roles are presently available to Chartered Accountants?

If someone from the present batch share- How many Chartered Accountants are in the present Batch?


BTW my profile,

Decent Academics
Average Extracurriculars
4 years of post qualification experience (+3 years as trainee)
No international experience
Yet to take GMAT
Presently working in a NBFC (Micro Finance Institution as Finance Head)

Neha,

IT background is no doubt the biggest category of applicants in ISB

I have been involved with ISB Admissions as student/alum volunteer.

I can tell you that even though the industry/role combination can be cliche' but aspirants create their profile differentiation by

a) Showcasing transferable skills (e.g. unmatched client handling)
b) Showcasing achievements above-and-beyond what your role required (e.g. involvement in sales/pre-sales)
c) Showcasing the rest three non-work experience areas - leadership, analytical horsepower and diversity to cover up for lack of shine in work ex.

A friend of mine, Nitin has posted a nice article which builds on my thoughts above : 3 ways in which IT applicants can make their ISB application stronger


Cheers
AJ

Hi ajayshare,

The article is quite helpful.

Thanks

Neha.

Hi,

Can you tell me how can we benefit from this sheet except from networking with fellow puys, knowing the pool that we will be applying to, profile of fellow applicants?

Hi Gaurav

I would consider the reasons provided by you(networking with fellow puys, knowing the pool that we will be applying to, profile of fellow applicants) as sufficient enough to gather the data. Here is some more which I think will add to the reason

- As we complete the application process and move into the interview calls phase, this data can help you see who are the people being called for the interview, What has been the general trend for the calls, Should you wait or start thinking on plan B etc etc.
- A hard reality is that not all of us will get an admit to ISB and for some obvious love towards this magnificent school some of us might want to reapply next year. Assuming people sincerely keep updating the sheet(last year we did ) it would help the people who could not make it, to do some kind of a gap analysis and work on their profile. Agree that this sheet has limited data about one's profile but to start with something is better than nothing.

Hope this helps !

Added. Thanks for pointing that out. Will definitely help.

People who have already updated the sheet Please do update the "International Work Experience" column too.

Thanks to all who are supporting this drive..

Hi,
Can you tell me how can we benefit from this sheet except from networking with fellow puys, knowing the pool that we will be applying to, profile of fellow applicants?

Hi ajayshare,

The article is quite helpful.

Thanks

Neha.

I attended an information session few days back.
we were informed that in order to visit the campus and get in touch with current students/teachers, one is supposed to drop a mail to pgpadmissions@isb.edu (the official id) a week in advance, so that they can facilitate ur visit.

even if you get to ISB without prior information, they will arrange a visit. but having an appointment is always better

vivek

Thanks a ton Vivek !:)

Hi,

I am not sure if Dr. Menon responds to the queries on this thread as of now.
Nevertheless, it would be great if a current/ex student (or someone else who knows) could help me out.

I would like to visit ISB and meet a few people (members of the faculty, students) and go around the place a bit just to get a feel for what ISB is all about and to relate it with my purpose of applying to ISB.

Can I just turn up without any appointment at all (& then liase with someone to help me out) or would I need to make an appointment in advance ? Couldn't find any relevant info on the ISB website!

Thanks for your help !

Cheers

I attended an information session few days back.
we were informed that in order to visit the campus and get in touch with current students/teachers, one is supposed to drop a mail to pgpadmissions@isb.edu (the official id) a week in advance, so that they can facilitate ur visit.

even if you get to ISB without prior information, they will arrange a visit. but having an appointment is always better

vivek

Hi,

I am not sure if Dr. Menon responds to the queries on this thread as of now.
Nevertheless, it would be great if a current/ex student (or someone else who knows) could help me out.

I would like to visit ISB and meet a few people (members of the faculty, students) and go around the place a bit just to get a feel for what ISB is all about and to relate it with my purpose of applying to ISB.

Can I just turn up without any appointment at all (& then liase with someone to help me out) or would I need to make an appointment in advance ? Couldn't find any relevant info on the ISB website!

Thanks for your help !

Cheers

Hi isb2011,

I cannot thank you more. Seeing the feedback on my profile I was totally in a fix what to do. I have been searching a lot across forums how people actually project themselves in front of the adcom and how to differentiate.

Can you or anybody else tell me as to how to differentiate myself as far as my IT experience is concerned.

Regards,

Neha.

Neha,

IT background is no doubt the biggest category of applicants in ISB

I have been involved with ISB Admissions as student/alum volunteer.

I can tell you that even though the industry/role combination can be cliche' but aspirants create their profile differentiation by

a) Showcasing transferable skills (e.g. unmatched client handling)
b) Showcasing achievements above-and-beyond what your role required (e.g. involvement in sales/pre-sales)
c) Showcasing the rest three non-work experience areas - leadership, analytical horsepower and diversity to cover up for lack of shine in work ex.

A friend of mine, Nitin has posted a nice article which builds on my thoughts above : 3 ways in which IT applicants can make their ISB application stronger


Cheers
AJ

zoom2012 Says

Hi Jamir....Principal Consultant is a designation followed by the Big4 firms and it referes to only manager /senior manager levels and not to Principal (Partner) levels which you are comprehending it to be

Ahhhh, I spoke in perspective and in context. At the risk of digressing-

When you say Big 4 - are you talking accounting? You are, aren't ya?

Well, I was answering a question with regard to consulting - not Audit (How did we reach Audit? I don't remember anyone mentioning audit!). The designation "Principal" therefore, in the consulting context, refers to a "Principal" (I am not aware of anyone using the terminology "Principal Consultant") - which is one of the designations a Partner or sub-Partner may have.

Feels great to see this group buzzing again. Folks as you inch closer to know more about ISB and the application process, do keep updating the profile sheet as well.

People who are active mentors on this group can volunteer to put the link of the profile sheet in their signatures.

Hi isb2011,

I cannot thank you more. Seeing the feedback on my profile I was totally in a fix what to do. I have been searching a lot across forums how people actually project themselves in front of the adcom and how to differentiate.

Can you or anybody else tell me as to how to differentiate myself as far as my IT experience is concerned.

Regards,

Neha.

At 9 years of workex, I don't think you can either worry about or take comfort in your acads. At this point, it's your workex and career progression that will matter more than all elseThis happened really a long time ago. What are your extra-work activities now? Resting on extra-currics of 9 years ago is quite a stretch. Are you involved in the community? Something relevant and recent is what they'd like to see - not a song of past glory...Thats pretty impressive! Again - is this recent?What kind of Corporate Finance? Fund-Raising / Structuring /etc? A lot of people attempt to pass off accounting / payroll / costing as Finance. On the corporate side, its only the CFO and his second-in-command who's the truly finance person, everyone else is just financial control.

Also, has your career seen promotions every 2-3 years? At 9 years there will be even more pressure on you to have shown rapid growth - unless you're in a nationalised bank / PSU. Manager, Corp side, Corp Fin -> Senior Consultant / Principal? On the extremely rare chance that I might be wrong, I think you're gonna require much more than the ISB and your current workex to make it. What I think is that you require a strong reality check. Look at what placements are REALLY like all around the world - not in the rubbish that ET normally publishes about "record" placements.You sound like you might be. Your goals, on the other hand, are very audacious. If you dare mention something like this in an essay, you're looking at an outright ding.Yes, they do. They hire at Associate levels. If you're thinking about joining at Principal level (LOL), an MBA is not the program for you. (I don't know what is!)If you were already in the school - with your qualifications etc - you'd need to make the deans list.You're a second-attempt CA. Remember, for M/B/B, you'd need to make the deans list. You'd be competing against the brightest minds from the IITs and a whole plethora of brilliant and accomplished MBA candidates - would you make it? That's a question that can be answered by yourself using only a reality checkThe ISB education will not make you a Principal at an M/B/B during placements... if that is your only ambition, as you say, you would be well-advised that even HBS is unable to put a career jumper at something like a Principal!!

Hi Jamir....Principal Consultant is a designation followed by the Big4 firms and it referes to only manager /senior manager levels and not to Principal (Partner) levels which you are comprehending it to be

-=Ash=- Says

Pkj, Sandeep, Jamir ....anyone ? Please can you help me

You are right. R1 R2 & R3 are three rounds of applications.

Generally all B schools say that there are equal chances of admission provided the applicaion is good. However from the experiences of PUYS i have found out that some how appying in R1 would make more sense and has better chances. Take for instance ISB. It gets around 1800 applications for R1 and 2200 for R2 and they select almost equal proportion of candidates from both rounds.


Hope this helps !!!

Pkj, Sandeep, Jamir ....anyone ? Please can you help me

Hi guyz,

I must be silly asking this question but I am new to this forum and also planning to do MBA abroad.

Could anyone please help me on what this R1, R2 and R3 ? and which one should a newbie target to ? on basis of very little knowledge I have I trust these are rounds for applications.
I may miss R1 due to my personal reasons .. is it ok for me to apply in R2 ? does it anyway can effect my chances of selection ?

Please reply ... help much appreciated !

Hi All,

I have a query with regards to reccos.

Is it preferrable for both the reccos to be from someone with whom I have had a reporting relationship?
Please let me know if its ok to get one of my reccos with one of my line managers and the other one from one of my seniors (no reporting relationship) in my ex-company with whom I had worked on quite a few projects.

Thanks.

Hi,

The purpose of recommendations from a B-schools perspective is to get opinions from people who can critically evaluate you. This helps the school in assessing your application package as reccos complement your essays with a third person's perspective. So, the recco should ideally come from someone who has worked very closely with you at a professional level and is capable of providing a fair feedback on your strengths, weaknesses, achievements and blunders.

As you now understand, it is highly probable that the best people to provide this feedback are your immediate superiors. However, if you feel someone else can do justice to the purpose, you can take their recommendation and add a line in your optional essay to justify your choice of recommender.

All the best with your App!

One tip to helpyou reduce the number of iterations on our essay drafts.

Don't just start answering the questions. Go top down. Build an overall concept and a storyline - where you came from, where are you currently, where do you want to go, what works for you, what works against you...build your list of basic questions (irrespective of the school you are applying to).

Test out your model from all angles for gaps. If you are comfortable with it, go one level below and try to flesh it out. You'll realise many of the answers will flow automatically after that.

Probably this sounds theoretical at this stage when you haven't started working on those essays. It'll make sense once you get down to the nitty-gritties.

All the best.

Hi All,

I have a query with regards to reccos.

Is it preferrable for both the reccos to be from someone with whom I have had a reporting relationship?
Please let me know if its ok to get one of my reccos with one of my line managers and the other one from one of my seniors (no reporting relationship) in my ex-company with whom I had worked on quite a few projects.

Thanks.

Hi All,

Would appreciate if anyone could tell me what my chances are.

My profile:

GMAT: 720

Acads: B.Tech, Electronics, 77.5% (Top 5 in the class)

Work Experience: IT-Products with a fortune 100 company. Had a 1 year stint abroad. Mostly done coding. Have delivered projects well before deadline though and have 3 appreciation awards. Am planning to go in for PMP certification. Any pointers as to whether that is required?

Extra curriculars: Have been a dancer since 9 and still continuing with it. Have participated in numerous events and concerts. Am associated with the Haemophilia Association and organize events for them from time to time.

Thank you in anticipation,

Neha...

Looking at my classmates, I can assure you your profile is good enough. You need to work a lot at standing out of the crowd in the interviews though (ISB is increasing decreasing the intakes of engineers etc. My batch has seen substantial % decrease). Showcase how exactly ISB is gonna help you. If you can improve upon your GMAT score (yours is good though), please do so by all means. One positive is that you have continued with your passion for dancing for the past several years. However, it may just be secondary, unless you have participated at a grand scale - this will convey a lot of message to the adco. Imagine someone handling tremendous pressure of performing in front of a huge crowd, etc. Try to showcase these skills rather than your natural talent at dancing. Tell them how you have managed yourself during those times (write about this as your 3rd differentiating point, if you like). For you, your essays may make a HUGE difference. Write a killer one! Don't get dejected. Moreover, you may get some advantage of being a female (ISB gets around 27% females each year, so you are a minority). Though don't bank upon it. Also, leverage upon your communication skills etc.

ca_sandeep Says

... Corporate finance is generally not what is really opted after MBA but yes financial consulting is....

I beg to differ. A lot of ISB grads took up jobs on the Corp Fin side of corporates. Corp Fin also refers to the activity of financing of corporates by investment bankers, which is also a coveted job by a lot of MBA grads (currently CAs dominate this arena). Transaction Advisory Services also fall under this definition.

Btw, Transaction Advisory is just another name for Financial Consulting - an essentially CorpFin function.

I am a re-applicant. As the 1st essay is same as last year (2009), can I write similar essay. I applied in 2nd round last year and it's just around 6 months since then. So there are no big changes in the profile. Although i did sth to improve my few weaknesses. I believe 1st essay is to show our 3 best qualities, and in general it may remain same.

Please suggest on the content of 3 essays. Can they remain similar to previous app?
Also can I use same recos.
bye

Can you write a different essay? If you can, do so. If you can't, then you just can't. I'm sure that you'd have learnt something from last years essay writing - start this years essays with a clean slate and see what comes tumbling out onto the paper!

With regard to the other essays - Factor in the minor changes in your profile - job changes, promotions, performance reviews at work...

The content of the three essays could resemble the previous year's app in the manner that they should not drastically vary. (i.e. if you wanted to get into finance last year you can't suddenly change ur mind for consulting this year) -

Do not use the mindset that what was good for last year is good for this year.

Also - do you know what made the interview "not good"? Do try and work your essays around this "not good" point to show new strengths and abilities.

Details
Age : 30

At 9 years of workex, I don't think you can either worry about or take comfort in your acads. At this point, it's your workex and career progression that will matter more than all else

X (DPS RKP) : 91% (CBSE)
XII (DPS RKP) : 94% (CBSE commerce)
BCom (SRCC) : University 3rd
Cleared CA in 2003 (2nd attempt)& CFA in 2007 (1st attempt)
GMAT : 730 (6)
Extra curricular : Strong
1) Represented Delhi University in Several Debates, Won
at NLS, IIT-d and FMS

This happened really a long time ago. What are your extra-work activities now? Resting on extra-currics of 9 years ago is quite a stretch. Are you involved in the community? Something relevant and recent is what they'd like to see - not a song of past glory...

2) Was part of a band and performed several times in the
GIR - Great Indian Rock Show

Thats pretty impressive! Again - is this recent?

Exp :
Working with a top multinantional IT company as Manager-Finance.
I have around 9 years of experience in Corporate Finance.

What kind of Corporate Finance? Fund-Raising / Structuring /etc? A lot of people attempt to pass off accounting / payroll / costing as Finance. On the corporate side, its only the CFO and his second-in-command who's the truly finance person, everyone else is just financial control.

Also, has your career seen promotions every 2-3 years? At 9 years there will be even more pressure on you to have shown rapid growth - unless you're in a nationalised bank / PSU.

Reason For MBA
I am Looking to getting into consulting companies at a Senior Consultant/ Principal consultant role and don't want to do an MBA for any other reason

Manager, Corp side, Corp Fin -> Senior Consultant / Principal? On the extremely rare chance that I might be wrong, I think you're gonna require much more than the ISB and your current workex to make it. What I think is that you require a strong reality check. Look at what placements are REALLY like all around the world - not in the rubbish that ET normally publishes about "record" placements.

Queries
1) Is my profile good enough for ISB or is there something I must
improve/add ?

You sound like you might be. Your goals, on the other hand, are very audacious. If you dare mention something like this in an essay, you're looking at an outright ding.

2) Do consulting companies like Mckinsey, BCG, Delliot, KPMG and E&Y; hire ISB participants from campus ? Which other companies come ? And
what are the exact roles that they offer ?

Yes, they do. They hire at Associate levels. If you're thinking about joining at Principal level (LOL), an MBA is not the program for you. (I don't know what is!)

3) Can a guy like me with 9+ years of exp make it to such companies ?

If you were already in the school - with your qualifications etc - you'd need to make the deans list.

4) If i get through this program will my dream of joining a top-consulting
firm come true?

You're a second-attempt CA. Remember, for M/B/B, you'd need to make the deans list. You'd be competing against the brightest minds from the IITs and a whole plethora of brilliant and accomplished MBA candidates - would you make it? That's a question that can be answered by yourself using only a reality check

I need the answers to these questions to make a choice on whether to apply or not. In case ISB is not the right school for me (or versa visa), I won't waste time applying.

The ISB education will not make you a Principal at an M/B/B during placements... if that is your only ambition, as you say, you would be well-advised that even HBS is unable to put a career jumper at something like a Principal!!

Thanks & Regards,
- Abhinav

I am a re-applicant. As the 1st essay is same as last year (2009), can I write similar essay. I applied in 2nd round last year and it's just around 6 months since then. So there are no big changes in the profile. Although i did sth to improve my few weaknesses. I believe 1st essay is to show our 3 best qualities, and in general it may remain same.

Please suggest on the content of 3 essays. Can they remain similar to previous app?
Also can I use same recos.
bye

Hi...can i know a litle about you....may be i can assist you.

Hi Sandeep,

Thank you for your reply, you are right I had put my articleships as a part of my experience.

I would like to know what kind of profiles do these companies select from ISB? Does a core finanace guy like have a chance?

The reason I am so concerned is that many option in the Finance stream is open to me without MBA so i don't want to come back here after making a substancial investment both in terms of time and money.

Thanks & Regards,
- Siddharth

Hi Abhinav/Siddharth..........Whats your real name buddy

See what happens generally is that all prospective applicants to any B school wish to join a big consulting company after they graduate. But not all get the coveted job. For instance at ISB only around 4-5% of total students end up landing with consulting profile. You need to be pretty sure as to what you want to do ahead in your career. Corporate finance is generally not what is really opted after MBA but yes financial consulting is.

Moreover you also need to justify the B school that it would be able to place you whereever you want to go. If it cannot, then trust me it wont take you.

You are perfectly right in pointing out the huge time and money investment in doing MBA. So before jumping into it decide as to what you really want to do. No one can decide that for you......


Hope this helps !!!

Hi abhinav !!!

Great to see your profile. But certain things seem strange to me....

You have mentioned that you are 30 years old and a CA. Then can you please explain as to how do you have 9 years of experience. I believe that you have included your articles in your workex...ISB does not consider articles as workex.

I am a CA & CS in corporate finance division as well. From my sources i have come to know that Mckinsey, BCG do select candidates from ISB but on the whole they prefer candidates who undergo regular 2 year MBA. You should find someone in BCG to confirm. I have done that.

Third thing is that you should have a strong justification for your interest in consulting and how have you progressed towards that. Apart from all above you must also mention about your leadership attributes and your experiences in leading others.

Best I would suggest that try to make a team of say 4-5 ISB applicants this year from your area. Work on essays and ask them to analyse the same for you. You can reciprocate by positing ideas for their essays. This should help. Take mock interviews and see what interviewers expect and also give interviews to these people to explore your weak points. I know its tough but then no one ever said that Life was easy

Hope this helps !!!

Hi Sandeep,

Thank you for your reply, you are right I had put my articleships as a part of my experience.

I would like to know what kind of profiles do these companies select from ISB? Does a core finanace guy like have a chance?

The reason I am so concerned is that many option in the Finance stream is open to me without MBA so i don't want to come back here after making a substancial investment both in terms of time and money.

Thanks & Regards,
- Abhinav

Hi guyz,

I must be silly asking this question but I am new to this forum and also planning to do MBA abroad.

Could anyone please help me on what this R1, R2 and R3 ? and which one should a newbie target to ? on basis of very little knowledge I have I trust these are rounds for applications.
I may miss R1 due to my personal reasons .. is it ok for me to apply in R2 ? does it anyway can effect my chances of selection ?

Please reply ... help much appreciated !

Can sombdy please help me out ?

Hi Pankaj,

Sorry to rouble you with such a long message but I really need some information.

Details
Age : 30
X (DPS RKP) : 91% (CBSE)
XII (DPS RKP) : 94% (CBSE commerce)
BCom (SRCC) : University 3rd
Cleared CA in 2003 (2nd attempt)& CFA in 2007 (1st attempt)
GMAT : 730 (6)
Extra curricular : Strong
1) Represented Delhi University in Several Debates, Won
at NLS, IIT-d and FMS
2) Was part of a band and performed several times in the
GIR - Great Indian Rock Show
Exp :
Working with a top multinantional IT company as Manager-Finance.
I have around 9 years of experience in Corporate Finance.

Reason For MBA
I am Looking to getting into consulting companies at a Senior Consultant/ Principal consultant role and don't want to do an MBA for any other reason

Queries
1) Is my profile good enough for ISB or is there something I must
improve/add ?

2) Do consulting companies like Mckinsey, BCG, Delliot, KPMG and E&Y; hire ISB participants from campus ? Which other companies come ? And
what are the exact roles that they offer ?

3) Can a guy like me with 9+ years of exp make it to such companies ?

4) If i get through this program will my dream of joining a top-consulting
firm come true?

I need the answers to these questions to make a choice on whether to apply or not. In case ISB is not the right school for me (or versa visa), I won't waste time applying.

Thanks & Regards,
- Abhinav

Hi abhinav !!!

Great to see your profile. But certain things seem strange to me....

You have mentioned that you are 30 years old and a CA. Then can you please explain as to how do you have 9 years of experience. I believe that you have included your articles in your workex...ISB does not consider articles as workex.

I am a CA & CS in corporate finance division as well. From my sources i have come to know that Mckinsey, BCG do select candidates from ISB but on the whole they prefer candidates who undergo regular 2 year MBA. You should find someone in BCG to confirm. I have done that.

Third thing is that you should have a strong justification for your interest in consulting and how have you progressed towards that. Apart from all above you must also mention about your leadership attributes and your experiences in leading others.

Best I would suggest that try to make a team of say 4-5 ISB applicants this year from your area. Work on essays and ask them to analyse the same for you. You can reciprocate by positing ideas for their essays. This should help. Take mock interviews and see what interviewers expect and also give interviews to these people to explore your weak points. I know its tough but then no one ever said that Life was easy

Hope this helps !!!

Hi abhinav !!!

Great to see your profile. But certain things seem strange to me....

You have mentioned that you are 30 years old and a CA. Then can you please explain as to how do you have 9 years of experience. I believe that you have included your articles in your workex...ISB does not consider articles as workex.

I am a CA & CS in corporate finance division as well. From my sources i have come to know that Mckinsey, BCG do select candidates from ISB but on the whole they prefer candidates who undergo regular 2 year MBA.

Third thing is that you should have a strong justification for your interest in consulting and how have you progressed towards that. Apart from all above you must also mention about your leadership attributes and your experiences in leading others.

Best I would suggest that try to make a team of say 4-5 ISB applicants this year from your area. Work on essays and ask them to analyse the same for you. You can reciprocate by positing ideas for their essays. This should help. Take mock interviews and see what interviewers expect and also give interviews to these people to explore your weak points. I know its tough but then no one ever said that Life was easy

Hope this helps !!!

Hi prospective applicants,

All of you have probably already started work on your applications and if not I'm sure you are in the process of doing so.

Having used and contributed to PG throughout my MBA journey it is only fair that I try and help out as many aspirants as I can for the up coming admissions season.

I am a current student at the Indian School of Business and would be glad to help answer any questions/doubts any of you currently have. I request however that each of you do your due diligence first by reviewing the schools' website. Many of your questions should be answered there. Given the paucity of time I would select relevant and pertinent questions I feel you wouldn't be able to find online.

To help everyone benefit from the Q&A; I have opened a document where you can add in your questions. When I (and my fellow batch mates) find the time I will access the document and type in my answers.

The link to the document is: Q&A; Document ISB

I request that everyone go through all the Q&A;'s before posting a question. This would help avoid repeating a question previously asked.

I wish you all the very best. Keep focused, be positive. Good Luck.

Best,

Rosh

hello!
many thanks for replying to my question on the ISB Q&A; document.
(the one about opportunities for power-sector professionals from ISB Question#3)

I am not in touch with the current student community at ISB. The perception that I have about low paritcipation of energy sector professionals (non-oil&gas;) at ISB, is based on the the data provided in student profile book of co2010 (in which energy professionals were 2.5 % of the batch.), and my interaction with an ISB alum of co2008 (who incidentally, was my boss )

i would be thankful if you could help me in getting in touch with power sector guys in the present batch.

Vivek


update: got a reply from atouchofcrypticthunder. many thans!

Hi Pankaj,

Sorry to rouble you with such a long message but I really need some information.

Details
Age : 30
X (DPS RKP) : 91% (CBSE)
XII (DPS RKP) : 94% (CBSE commerce)
BCom (SRCC) : University 3rd
Cleared CA in 2003 (2nd attempt)& CFA in 2007 (1st attempt)
GMAT : 730 (6)
Extra curricular : Strong
1) Represented Delhi University in Several Debates, Won
at NLS, IIT-d and FMS
2) Was part of a band and performed several times in the
GIR - Great Indian Rock Show
Exp :
Working with a top multinantional IT company as Manager-Finance.
I have around 9 years of experience in Corporate Finance.

Reason For MBA
I am Looking to getting into consulting companies at a Senior Consultant/ Principal consultant role and don't want to do an MBA for any other reason

Queries
1) Is my profile good enough for ISB or is there something I must
improve/add ?

2) Do consulting companies like Mckinsey, BCG, Delliot, KPMG and E&Y; hire ISB participants from campus ? Which other companies come ? And
what are the exact roles that they offer ?

3) Can a guy like me with 9+ years of exp make it to such companies ?

4) If i get through this program will my dream of joining a top-consulting
firm come true?

I need the answers to these questions to make a choice on whether to apply or not. In case ISB is not the right school for me (or versa visa), I won't waste time applying.

Thanks & Regards,
- Abhinav

Hi guyz,

I must be silly asking this question but I am new to this forum and also planning to do MBA abroad.

Could anyone please help me on what this R1, R2 and R3 ? and which one should a newbie target to ? on basis of very little knowledge I have I trust these are rounds for applications.
I may miss R1 due to my personal reasons .. is it ok for me to apply in R2 ? does it anyway can effect my chances of selection ?

Please reply ... help much appreciated !

thanks a lot Jamiroquai will try to work on the points suggested...

even i feel strong extracurriculars gives u edge...


"Do not spin strengths to be weaknesses. There are a lot of do's and don'ts... "

can u plz shed more light on this thing said by you?...

A typical example of "spin"
Q: What is your principal weakness?
A: I work too hard and like pleasing my superiors without sparing too much free time for myself.

Now THIS is spin! You're trying to show a desirable trait as a weakness. This has been done so much nowadays that I'm sure that it pisses the interviewer off!

Be Honest - as I said. I was totally honest and upfront about everything - including the one year gap between my graduation and work - which they really appreciated.

Sharing an ISB 2012 essay analysis written by an ISB alumni group. Might be quite useful for newbies here trying to understand how to approach ISB essays:

http://bit.ly/bJWrq1

Ajay

Thanks to Martian, Pkj_Gupta and ISB2011 for the encouraging feedback.

Now my AWA score has come through. Now it stands at 730 (Q 49, V 41), AWA 5.5.


The most difficult part starts now with the essays to build up a compelling application.

One tip to helpyou reduce the number of iterations on our essay drafts.

Don't just start answering the questions. Go top down. Build an overall concept and a storyline - where you came from, where are you currently, where do you want to go, what works for you, what works against you...build your list of basic questions (irrespective of the school you are applying to).

Test out your model from all angles for gaps. If you are comfortable with it, go one level below and try to flesh it out. You'll realise many of the answers will flow automatically after that.

Probably this sounds theoretical at this stage when you haven't started working on those essays. It'll make sense once you get down to the nitty-gritties.

All the best.

Hi All,

Would appreciate if anyone could tell me what my chances are.

My profile:

GMAT: 720

Acads: B.Tech, Electronics, 77.5% (Top 5 in the class)

Work Experience: IT-Products with a fortune 100 company. Had a 1 year stint abroad. Mostly done coding. Have delivered projects well before deadline though and have 3 appreciation awards. Am planning to go in for PMP certification. Any pointers as to whether that is required?

Extra curriculars: Have been a dancer since 9 and still continuing with it. Have participated in numerous events and concerts. Am associated with the Haemophilia Association and organize events for them from time to time.

Thank you in anticipation,

Neha...

You have a really bad profile. Dnt even think of applying....

Shocked !!! well you should be. See the thing is simple. You plan to be a MBA from a top notch B school and should start taking decisions on your own. (sorry if I sound harsh). Your "SELF" is the best judge of your capabilties and should therefore guide you the best. Move further only if you feel strong and not based on other's personal opinions.

As regards to your profile, you would agree that there is not anything unique in your profile that you have mentioned. Almost all that you have said is a common. Try to bring out the best and different in you.

Put youself at ISB Dean's place and than judge as to whether you should select Neha for ISB amongst 1000s of others IT applicants. You would get the answer. About your passion and interest in dancing it is fine to the extent you can justify the positives you get out of it and also how that will contribute (if in any ways) to the diversity of ISB.

Remember that MBA is always a two player type of game. ISB would select you if and only if it tends to gain something extra from you.

(I am also an applicant like you for ISB Co2012. Dnt mind the criticism....because i believe that such criticisms from others can really bring the best in you).

Best I would suggest that try to make a team of say 4-5 ISB applicants this year from your area. Work on essays and ask them to analyse the same for you. You can reciprocate by positing ideas for their essays. This should help. Take mock interviews and see what interviewers expect and also give interviews to these people to explore your weak points. I know its tough but then no one ever said that Life was easy.


Sandeep

Thanks to Martian, Pkj_Gupta and ISB2011 for the encouraging feedback.

Now my AWA score has come through. Now it stands at 730 (Q 49, V 41), AWA 5.5.


The most difficult part starts now with the essays to build up a compelling application.

Hi All,

Would appreciate if anyone could tell me what my chances are.

My profile:

GMAT: 720

Acads: B.Tech, Electronics, 77.5% (Top 5 in the class)

Work Experience: IT-Products with a fortune 100 company. Had a 1 year stint abroad. Mostly done coding. Have delivered projects well before deadline though and have 3 appreciation awards. Am planning to go in for PMP certification. Any pointers as to whether that is required?

Extra curriculars: Have been a dancer since 9 and still continuing with it. Have participated in numerous events and concerts. Am associated with the Haemophilia Association and organize events for them from time to time.

Thank you in anticipation,

Neha...

hi guys....just took gmat today and got 660 :(. i have 9 years of IT experience. Do i stand a chance at ISb or i should take it again?
Please suggest.

Hi,
The information you provided is extremely limited. If selection process were to depend on GMAT score and number of work experience, it could be automated without human interference J. So, please be advised that quality of your work experience, extracurricular, background and other stuff hold a lot more weight. With your work experience, be assured you wouldnt be ruled out simply because of 660. If you can convince adcom of your potential contributions to the class, you do stand a chance. Good Luck.

could someone plz evaluate my profile plz........................

gmat : 750
experience : 3 years to this date in supply chain and various other functions of tata motors commercial vehicles division.

why mba?
always interested in mba and management to be part of bigger scheme of things.
because with normal course i will take 15-20 years to reach senior management. and i want to be at a place where i can make strategies and lead teams.

accads: better than ok in terms of percentages
10th : 90.2
12th: 80.2
b.e. : 71.21..

extra curriculars: not much; except that i like to teach kids, and do some social work once in a blue moon...

except all these things , wat i really worry about is my lil less than 4 years of work ex wen i apply for r1 this year. and writing essays for my application...
i wud be more honest to say, i am still not very sure of...that where i wud like to go in my next 10 years....

plz suggest.....

Hi Pgo,
You have got a very good GMAT and a different experience With your supply chain experience in manufacturing based industry you will add diversity to any class. Your acads are good but your extracurricular are below average intermittent contributions doesnt count much. Unless you show consistency and cause in your action, Adcom can catch you. Further, I am also glad that you have already started to think on correct lines Why MBA, where you want to land up after 10 years etc. Your ~4 year of work experience is okay but remember the game is much more about quality of work-experience and sheer quantity.
Dont worry about being precisely clear about your goals You need to be absolutely sure about your post-MBA goal and even a wider scope definition of long term goals is okay. You may want to research on your own and seek professional advice on career goals part. All the best for your application.
Regards
Pankaj GUPTA
Ph +91 81055 70816

rossISB Says

Dude please add another column in that sheet. "International Exp"

Added. Thanks for pointing that out. Will definitely help.

People who have already updated the sheet Please do update the "International Work Experience" column too.

Thanks to all who are supporting this drive..

Jamiroquai Says

It isn't less. If your profile supports it, even precisely 2 years of work ex is sufficient to make you competitive. I've seen pure IT people make it in with just 2 years.Unfortunately, this is not a very heavy weight in the overall app. A 700+ supported by a strong profile makes you competitive. Thankfully at the ISB, unlike the IIMs, a mediocre profile supported by even an 800 will not get you in.You can stress on your strong points by... well... stressing on your strong points! Do not over-emphasise your achievements. Describe them in context and only where specifically asked for. Do not spin strengths to be weaknesses. There are a lot of do's and don'ts... The best thing what i can advise you to DO is: be honest. The adcom has seen hundreds of essays where people try spinning certain things to look good on their resume / apps. Some of the students also volunteer to screen essays and i'd reckon that they'd be pretty good at looking past spin in your essays. So be honest! - it will earn you points with whoever's looking at your essays.

This is absolutely correct. One of my friend with 2.7 yrs of IT work-ex(when he applied in R2) made it to ISB last year.

Hi All

We have around 50 entries on the sheet. I am sure most of you have already started to benefit from the information.

I would appeal to all applicants(Even the passive ones ) to update their profile in the sheet.

Dude please add another column in that sheet. "International Exp"

Hi All

We have around 50 entries on the sheet. I am sure most of you have already started to benefit from the information.

I would appeal to all applicants(Even the passive ones ) to update their profile in the sheet.

Hi prospective applicants,

All of you have probably already started work on your applications and if not I'm sure you are in the process of doing so.

Having used and contributed to PG throughout my MBA journey it is only fair that I try and help out as many aspirants as I can for the up coming admissions season.

I am a current student at the Indian School of Business and would be glad to help answer any questions/doubts any of you currently have. I request however that each of you do your due diligence first by reviewing the schools' website. Many of your questions should be answered there. Given the paucity of time I would select relevant and pertinent questions I feel you wouldn't be able to find online.

To help everyone benefit from the Q&A; I have opened a document where you can add in your questions. When I (and my fellow batch mates) find the time I will access the document and type in my answers.

The link to the document is: Q&A; Document ISB

I request that everyone go through all the Q&A;'s before posting a question. This would help avoid repeating a question previously asked.

I wish you all the very best. Keep focused, be positive. Good Luck.

Best,

Rosh

thanks a lot Jamiroquai will try to work on the points suggested...

even i feel strong extracurriculars gives u edge...


"Do not spin strengths to be weaknesses. There are a lot of do's and don'ts... "

can u plz shed more light on this thing said by you?...

Jamiroquai Says

It isn't less. If your profile supports it, even precisely 2 years of work ex is sufficient to make you competitive. I've seen pure IT people make it in with just 2 years.Unfortunately, this is not a very heavy weight in the overall app. A 700+ supported by a strong profile makes you competitive. Thankfully at the ISB, unlike the IIMs, a mediocre profile supported by even an 800 will not get you in.You can stress on your strong points by... well... stressing on your strong points! Do not over-emphasise your achievements. Describe them in context and only where specifically asked for. Do not spin strengths to be weaknesses. There are a lot of do's and don'ts... The best thing what i can advise you to DO is: be honest. The adcom has seen hundreds of essays where people try spinning certain things to look good on their resume / apps. Some of the students also volunteer to screen essays and i'd reckon that they'd be pretty good at looking past spin in your essays. So be honest! - it will earn you points with whoever's looking at your essays.

actually i wanted to know about my chances(..nywys i am applying this year..)...., wen i have nothing much in extracurricular head to say; since i feel i study most of the time.....
a lil less experience of 3.5 yrs as comparision to other applicants...

It isn't less. If your profile supports it, even precisely 2 years of work ex is sufficient to make you competitive. I've seen pure IT people make it in with just 2 years.

but a strong gmat score.....

Unfortunately, this is not a very heavy weight in the overall app. A 700+ supported by a strong profile makes you competitive. Thankfully at the ISB, unlike the IIMs, a mediocre profile supported by even an 800 will not get you in.

considering all these factors i was just wondering , how to write about all these things in my essays...more stress on my strong points....

You can stress on your strong points by... well... stressing on your strong points! Do not over-emphasise your achievements. Describe them in context and only where specifically asked for. Do not spin strengths to be weaknesses. There are a lot of do's and don'ts... The best thing what i can advise you to DO is: be honest. The adcom has seen hundreds of essays where people try spinning certain things to look good on their resume / apps. Some of the students also volunteer to screen essays and i'd reckon that they'd be pretty good at looking past spin in your essays. So be honest! - it will earn you points with whoever's looking at your essays.

actually i wanted to know about my chances(..nywys i am applying this year..)...., wen i have nothing much in extracurricular head to say; since i feel i study most of the time.....
a lil less experience of 3.5 yrs as comparision to other applicants...

but a strong gmat score.....

considering all these factors i was just wondering , how to write about all these things in my essays...more stress on my strong points....

could someone plz evaluate my profile plz........................

gmat : 750
experience : 3 years to this date in supply chain and various other functions of tata motors commercial vehicles division.

why mba?
always interested in mba and management to be part of bigger scheme of things.
because with normal course i will take 15-20 years to reach senior management. and i want to be at a place where i can make strategies and lead teams.

accads: better than ok in terms of percentages
10th : 90.2
12th: 80.2
b.e. : 71.21..

extra curriculars: not much; except that i like to teach kids, and do some social work once in a blue moon...

except all these things , wat i really worry about is my lil less than 4 years of work ex wen i apply for r1 this year. and writing essays for my application...
i wud be more honest to say, i am still not very sure of...that where i wud like to go in my next 10 years....

plz suggest.....