PGPX can only qualify in FT Rankings when at least three batches have graduated. Right now, their second batch is graduating and third batch will start in April 2008.

I am copy-pasting below a link related to PGPX 2nd batch placements. Really impressive --- I think no program globally has managed to get such placements in its second year.

IIM-A`s executive batch gets CEO, COO offers

The third batch starting in April has 10 years of average experience in diverse industries like Mgt. Consulting/Banking/Manufacturing/Retail/IT Consulting/Automotive etc., approx 730 average in GMAT, about half of the class are people from India and the other half Indians from US/UK/Australia/Japan etc.

My belief is PGPX will start participating in global rankings from 2010 and based on everything I know they will be ahead of ISB.

Thanks.

It will be really embarrasing for students if IIM-A PGPX makes it to rankings ahead of PGPM.. coz for years PGPM has been the flagship course and PGPX has just started off... and hence PGPM is well known in market as compared to PGPX..

Secondly either of the courses are difficult to put into comparision wid other b schools...
- min work ex for PGPX is 7 years as compared 2 for most of the international b-schools... so its outright killing the compeition... and obviosuly then it shld fare better than ISB as well...
- for PGPM course, its strong biases towards CAT and hence freshers, makes the avg work ex really really low compared to B-schools... and hence it cannot come anywhere close to othe leading b-schools...

I believe that even if IIM A does not come into rankings it does not really matter - the purpose of both its course are being served well... And as long as the students are happy with the courses, the rankings do not matter...

PGPX can only qualify in FT Rankings when at least three batches have graduated. Right now, their second batch is graduating and third batch will start in April 2008.

I am copy-pasting below a link related to PGPX 2nd batch placements. Really impressive --- I think no program globally has managed to get such placements in its second year.

IIM-A`s executive batch gets CEO, COO offers

The third batch starting in April has 10 years of average experience in diverse industries like Mgt. Consulting/Banking/Manufacturing/Retail/IT Consulting/Automotive etc., approx 730 average in GMAT, about half of the class are people from India and the other half Indians from US/UK/Australia/Japan etc.

My belief is PGPX will start participating in global rankings from 2010 and based on everything I know they will be ahead of ISB.

Thanks.

akshra_fate Says

u r right even i felt that.. at least PGPX could have qualified..i would like to know more on this if you can discuss it..

True in the past, not anymore... what I'm really surprised about in this flamewar across a lot of different threads is that no one has talked about the fact that IIMA has a program called PGPX that is meant for those with 7+ years of experience.

Personally, since I'll qualify for this experience threshold by the time the next round of applications roll around, PGPX is the course I'm hoping to get through.

u r right even i felt that.. at least PGPX could have qualified..i would like to know more on this if you can discuss it..

One very interesting thing i found out was that both IIM's n ISB r segmented differently.. And one of the major points which we need to highlight is that IIM is not elligible for the FT rankings becoz "FT takes into account the incoming salary of students, which is absent in case of IIM's as they take freshers also"

So here the argument that y IIMs cud not make it to global ranking for so many deacdes.. n ISB did it in jus 7 odd years !IIMs do not qualify due to their intake of freshers.. although the same thing has been highlighted by fellow puys.. i wanted to giv my 2 cents on this

JAt the same time, however, I find it surprising that you have asked for people to take a look at the methodology and yet not analyzed it yourself. Understanding the methodology is very different from analyzing it to draw some conclusions about validity. Visit this blog to get some guidance on the areas where the methodology could use some improvement.

Let me wear a Suit. Please! necromonger @ INSEAD MBA Blog: Financial Times FT MBA Rankings 2008 - Analysis and Review Part I

Well, given that I do not represent FT, I do not require your offer of guidance to improve the methodology. Frankly, if you have any issues with this process, it will be really nice of you to write to FT instead.

And this post of mine that you have quoted was in response to people who were shouting their mouths off saying (due to whatever reason) that the whole ranking is fraudulent without even understanding how it was constructed.

Good methodology or bad, any Indian or Chinese B-school will score very highly on it due to the kind of salaries and salary growth alums from these institutes would have got. And of course 100% placement rates. That is one reason why you see 2 Chinese schools also in the top 20 ranks.

Further, whether I understood the methodology and analyzed it, whether I feel this is incorrect or not is something that is not discernible from my post because it was made for some other reason. So i do not see how you can claim whether or not I analyzed it or understood it. So my friend, stop speculating.

indianMBA2008 Says

Secondly, IIMA and IIMC have become more truly global in a sense by emulating other institutions by introducing both a "freshers" MBA program (PGP) and one for experienced candidates (PGPX/PGPEX).

No argument with that, I havent said anything to the contrary anywhere.....

indianMBA2008 Says

I remember reading an interview mbauniverse.com had held with the FT rankings head, where they said that PGPX did not qualify for the rankings because it's not been around for 4 years yet. If they were eligible to take part, their average salary of 22L would have converted to $240K. Do you really think that's a valid number? I suspect the only reason why the $169K salary figure for ISB was allowed to stand is because it wasn't drastically outside the salary range of other institutes.

It doesnt matter if it is valid or invalid as per me. I do not represent FT. But if PGPX programs were to be rated, and if this methodology is to be followed, then this might be the salary that will be quoted.

And your suspicion about whether the 169K was quoted by FT because it is" believable: is mere speculation. Unless of course you spoke to the FT team and they confirmed that they only quote numbers that look "believable".

Finally, in the same interview, the FT rankings head said that IIMA's PGP program would qualify for another ranking they have - the Master of Management ranking which is for programs with a high percentage of students without experience.

I think ISB's a great institute that has done a lot in a very short time. But get to #20 in the world? Not quite yet.

Good to hear that....

And Finally, this is a controversial topic and there will be people who will have different opinions, so my suggestion to people is to offer their viewpoints and accept that other will have different view points rather than offer unsolicited "guidance", which in my opinion smacks of arrogance. Given the nature of this topic and unending possibility of debate, this will be my final post on this topic.

Regards

True in the past, not anymore... what I'm really surprised about in this flamewar across a lot of different threads is that no one has talked about the fact that IIMA has a program called PGPX that is meant for those with 7+ years of experience.

Personally, since I'll qualify for this experience threshold by the time the next round of applications roll around, PGPX is the course I'm hoping to get through.

mbabuster Says

ISB deserves to be ahead of IIMA just based on the fact that IIMA takes freshers.

ISB deserves to be ahead of IIMA just based on the fact that IIMA takes freshers.

Just started getting active on PG, and going through to figure out whether I would prefer ISB or IIMA/C's PGPX and PGPEX programs. I found this post interesting, so thought I would reply.

Agreed that FT is a very reputable paper, so I think we can eliminate "planting" a story. At the same time, however, I find it surprising that you have asked for people to take a look at the methodology and yet not analyzed it yourself. Understanding the methodology is very different from analyzing it to draw some conclusions about validity. Visit this blog to get some guidance on the areas where the methodology could use some improvement.

Let me wear a Suit. Please! necromonger @ INSEAD MBA Blog: Financial Times FT MBA Rankings 2008 - Analysis and Review Part I

Secondly, IIMA and IIMC have become more truly global in a sense by emulating other institutions by introducing both a "freshers" MBA program (PGP) and one for experienced candidates (PGPX/PGPEX).

I remember reading an interview mbauniverse.com had held with the FT rankings head, where they said that PGPX did not qualify for the rankings because it's not been around for 4 years yet. If they were eligible to take part, their average salary of 22L would have converted to $240K. Do you really think that's a valid number? I suspect the only reason why the $169K salary figure for ISB was allowed to stand is because it wasn't drastically outside the salary range of other institutes.

Finally, in the same interview, the FT rankings head said that IIMA's PGP program would qualify for another ranking they have - the Master of Management ranking which is for programs with a high percentage of students without experience.

I think ISB's a great institute that has done a lot in a very short time. But get to #20 in the world? Not quite yet.

The true mark of a person's maturity is not to shoot off one's mouth at something, but to understand and investigate it before stating your opinion. Do you think that FT is like some Rag Newspaper where you can plant your story for a few lacs?

My suggestion to people is to go to the Financial times website and read more about the test. Understand the methodology before trashing something.

It is quite obvious that the FT people have normalized salaries across the world (i.e. adjusted for purchasing power parity) in order to make an "apples" to "apples" comparison.

Heck, the avg salary last year at ISB was around 16 lacs, so it is plain obvious that they have taken $1=Rs 8 or 10 as the PPP conversion rate.

So folks...... understand the mechanics behind a story before trashing it completely.

End of the day, it should be a proud day for us all that an Indian Institute has made such a debut in Global rankings.

Peace.....

Hai friends,

I'm aspirant for 2010 ISB...i hv researched many insti's and ISB and IIM's are dream. I recently saw financial times 2008 mba ranking and wuz thrilled to see isb on top 20.....gr8 achievement kudos! but i also found some analysis Let me wear a Suit. Please! necromonger @ INSEAD MBA Blog: Financial Times FT MBA Rankings 2008 - Analysis and Review Part I whereby one blogger has analysed how isb became in 20 ....i wuz a li'l disappointed at the outcome.......has ISB deserved it really ahead of IIM-A or it is just fluke? but i still think ISB is a great mba insti.............i hope to get there in 2009-10:2gunfire:

The thing is that Management Education is all about broadening one's perspective about the world & then influencing it to achieve the desired objectives.This is easier said than done & to teach it one requires an optimum mixture of merit & practical exposure.ISB has been modelled on this very realization & so are the best B-Schools in world.Hence ISB is where it is.On the other hand,bureaucratic interference in IIMs often hampers the academic innovation & improvement so the IIMs cannot evaluate a person more holistically as ISB does during it's admission process.If the IIMs are given more autonomy regarding selection procedure they can also be like ISB & other world class B-Schools.

Other than this, there are factors such as extremely high GMAT scores. ISB's avg GMAT acceptance is way better tahn most top B-Schools. A healthy male:female student ratio given its based out of India. A 100% placement record that most international B-schools fail to acheive.

Hi tank_I,

I agree with most of your points stated above. In fact I do agree that ISB is rising exponentially and will make its mark once it gets more global exposure.

I do respectfully disagree that the rankings have been based on a high GMAT score. If you go through the criteria specified on the FT website: FT.com / Global MBA 2008 - Methodology: How the FT compiles its MBA league tables the GMAT is nowhere to be seen. In fact, the most heavily weighed parameters are, as you said, the Weighted Average Salary and the salary increase (%).

I wrote this on the issue: Progress in Life: Why is ISB ranked 20th in FT Global MBA

Kudos ISB !!

For those of you who still haven't figured out the $160k+ avg salary funda, here is some more gyaan.

To normalize financial studies across the world we use a concept called purchasing power parity or PPP. This figure for India stands at 3.27. In simple terms, with 1$ you can buy 3.27 times of what you will get in US.

Using this funda, the avg salary for ISB will be

20 lacs(after 3 yrs. of grad) = $ 51,300
$51,300(nominal) = $167k +

Other than this, there are factors such as extremely high GMAT scores. ISB's avg GMAT acceptance is way better tahn most top B-Schools. A healthy male:female student ratio given its based out of India. A 100% placement record that most international B-schools fail to acheive.

ISB is surely rising up that chart in future.

As for making wise choices. IIM(PGP) makes sense only if you dont manage a decent job out of college. Otherwise its always better to go through the grind of industry for a few years and then do an MBA when u actually feel a need for it.IIM PGPs apart from a few laterals end up getting entry level jobs and are bound to feel the need for another course when they are breaking into the top league.

Best time to join ISB - 3-6 yrs. work-ex (when u are targetting middle management roles)
Post that look for an exec-MBA frm either IIMs or some univ abroad (when u want to grab the senior mgmt. profiles)

Cheers!

To get things straight, IIMs & ISB are competing in two different areas... So lets not compare either of them, both are great in their respective arenas.. Its just that a person with 2-3 yrs experience might find it in his/her favor to join an IIM whereas a person with 5-6 yrs of work ex would find it in his/her interest to join ISB. Overall we should be happy that an Indian B School has made it into the world rankings... Congrats to ISB!

Just think on the lines of which companies would find it in their interest to recruit from IIMs and which would like to recruit from ISB, u'll clearly see a demarcation arising... :)..and of course there will be those that recruit from both campuses for different roles...

Given below is the link to an interview of FT London's Business Education editor, Della Bradshaw. The interview makes for an interesting read and clarifies many of the questions raised on the forum

The MBA Universe :- News & Updates

Peace Guys

This ranking is very different from what we have seen for years. Definitely this ranking is based on various data that FT assumes to be important for comparision. FT has its own understanding of various critical components of an MBA curriculum.

It is quite evident that 'Composition of student body' is one factor that FT has started giving importance to. Rise in ranking of schools that have a diversified international composition examplifies this.
LBS - more than 95% international students - #2
Similar can be attributed to the rise of Spanish/French/etc colleges.

Some evident factors responsible for good ranking of Asian colleges : Good ROI, High Avg GMAT scores, High pay packages (with PPP), phenomenal growth of alumini (salaries rise faster in emerging markets) , Acceptance rate of applicants etc etc. Not to forget the rising demand of MBAs in these regions.

Times are changing; emerging countries are rising faster; globalisation is upfront. Economies are growing at varied pace in America Europe Asia. 'n' number of arguments/counter agruments.

My understanding says - rankings reflect opinion of people who know a fair bit. One can definitely pay some attention to these rankings - be it FT, BW, WSJ, Forbes, Economist, etc.

well HKUST ranked over Kellogg, Duke, Darden, Carnegie Mellon??? there is no way I can agree with that...or for that matter University of Strathclyde in top 30.

Just wait for the BW rankings coming out later this fall, and see the other extreme, or just compare the current BW rankings ofnon-US top 10 schools with this list.

OK. What about these schools makes you feel that they are great? Have you been to these schools? Its reputation built over the years and probably the Alumni strength. I guess the rankings might not have factored that in ... very much unfortunately.

Instead look at the factors and let me know which specific factor you do not agree with.

Like I said, these rankings need to be taken with a pinch of salt. Look at the factors that FT or EIU or BW or whoever has used. No method is perfect. Tomorrow if your Kellogg or Duke or whatever is ranked higher, you'll say BW is right. This is a never ending argument. So I'll let this rest.

pretty weird ranking n nothing else!!!

thanks!!

well HKUST ranked over Kellogg, Duke, Darden, Carnegie Mellon??? there is no way I can agree with that...or for that matter University of Strathclyde in top 30.

Just wait for the BW rankings coming out later this fall, and see the other extreme, or just compare the current BW rankings ofnon-US top 10 schools with this list.

Just saw this comment from you. No. 20 might be a shocker since a new school less than six years old making a debut at No. 20.

But No. 17 surely is not. HKUST has been ranked at No. 20 by EIU (Economist) too a few months back and has been in the Top 50 and Asia's #1 in most ranking systems for the past few years. No. 37 in FT'2006. You can verify that data if you like.

But I take your point. These rankings have to be taken with a pinch of salt.

This is all data!! May be there is a different way to read.
Interesting to see lots of non-US colleges in the list.
Rank#17 and #20 are real shockers!!
NUS out of the list.

Lots of UK colleges in list. FT is London based - who knows if there is a touch of bias!!!

Colleges like Boston University - #84 - who wud believe that!!!!


Comment guys...

Just saw this comment from you. No. 20 might be a shocker since a new school less than six years old making a debut at No. 20.

But No. 17 surely is not. HKUST has been ranked at No. 20 by EIU (Economist) too a few months back and has been in the Top 50 and Asia's #1 in most ranking systems for the past few years. No. 37 in FT'2006. You can verify that data if you like.

But I take your point. These rankings have to be taken with a pinch of salt.

Thread is now open again.

Keep it clean. Keep it informative.

Frayed tempers (and posts) leading to temporary thread locking,
While i do some cleaning (why you'll so much work to me giving?),
You'll is Chillin!

Just noticed that even another new entrant, HKUST has also been audited in 2006!

Hi Puys,

Great News for an Indian B School to be on the list!!

It would be interesting to look at the "audit year" column of the rankings. While most B-schools on the ranking have been audited by KPMG in recent years, ISB is yet to be audited!

No, I am not saying that data provided by ISB is fudged or anything, just that, ISB will have to work really hard to live upto this ranking next year onwards, specially when KPMG decides to audit it!

Hi Puys,

Great News for an Indian B School to be on the list!!

It would be interesting to look at the "audit year" column of the rankings. While most B-schools on the ranking have been audited by KPMG in recent years, ISB is yet to be audited!

No, I am not saying that data provided by ISB is fudged or anything, just that, ISB will have to work really hard to live upto this ranking next year onwards, specially when KPMG decides to audit it!

Clarification:

I may have posted my reply as a quote to someone's response -
But my reply is an opinion put forth reading various posts within this topic!

In this discussion, the fire to pursue MBA comes out as a distinct winner.

I completely agree here-

From Branding point of view it could not have been better for ISB. And I hope ranking helps the school in attracting more International Diversity and climb up the coveted top 10 ladder.

ISB has shot to fame in too short a time and hope it'll continue to dazzle!

Makes our country proud! And perhaps give a thought to HRD to let IIMs be a bit more autonomous :)

Well...I have already put forth my thoughts on the ranking.

As I told you earlier, ISB's model is ideally suited for a high rank in the FT rankings and much to everyone's disbelief ISB scores very highly on all relevant parameters of this rating. This is exactly the kind of brand positioning ISB needs to take it to the top 10 in all rankings. There isn't enough international diversity but the batch diversity is tremendous. Just to quote my own example, I had a core group of me (sadharan IT), an equity research analyst, a construction supply entrepreneur and a crime journalist. And every group has a different dimension of diversity. It is true that 100% of job postings do not reflect this but I think it never will, at any b-school.

The only thing I can say is that we will gain in strength in the years to come and you will hear more about ISB. All the best anyhow.

I never challenged quality of students at ISB!

But some one did challenge the quality of students at IIMs - and my reply was in response to that - that one cannot disqualify IIM students by the merit of work experience.

Majority of ISB class compromises of IT folks (me being the same) - I know how invaluable experience we have gained.

Regarding the faculty + lectures I have had opportunities to be at both ISB, and IIM A lectures.

My experience was otherwise.

Rightly pointed by you, none of my close friends at ISB or IIMs would ever criticize their faculty and that holds true for most of the elite business schools.

My point was simple - how can ISB grad comment upon faculty of IIM or vice -versa afterall these colleges do not have Student-Exchange program with each other. Such comments are anything but speculation. There are arguments to be made on both sides.
It's matter of perception.

And still I wonder if anyone can disqualify the fact that majority of the ISB aspirants' segment would have appeared for CAT once upon a time! So most of us are the horses of the same breed!

So it doesn't make sense to boast about Visiting Facluty, or Permanent Faculty, or Placements or question qualifications of aspiring Freshers who have scored heart throbbing percentiles in CAT.

Doing good in any exam is about that day - I agree completely.

And that's why I say that at end of the day - most of us Indians are MBA aspirants to bask under the glory of MBA from the elite BSchools. And it necessarily doesn't matter whether IIM takes me or ISB - I would be glad to join anyone of these. Perhaps IIM - let all statistics be aside ( lost earnings for a year etc...) I firmly believe ROI is still the best from IIM and so is the depth of education. None of the 1 year programs can provide equal depth as do 2 year programs. Be that ISB or INSEAD. IIMA and HBS will always score over the curriculum content.

As a matter of fact - it's even futile to compare IIM vs ISB for we cannot compare a 2 year flagship program with the best 1 year program in India. And that's where FT rankings sadly hit.

It's not only that FT rankings are pro UK - the fact is most of UK or European Business Schools being 1 year of nature - score over their American counterparts in terms of ROI and Opportunity Cost. To certain extent even the percentage of International Students.

I wonder if there can be a practical comparision between 1 year and 2 year programs for that matter - these programs are built up on entirely different framework!

My intention was solely to put forth an alter opinion. That amidst being patriotic to respective business schools, we tend to discount merits of other equally good b-schools.

I am sure everyone would love a more mature audience in BSchools for that matter.
This reminds me of infamous XL vs IIMC sports festival! - the only festival of its kind where spirit and teamwork galore in sledging and showers of all epithets related to the fair-sex. And perhaps Cricket - India vs Australia :)


Last but not the least I would discount neither ISB nor IIM. And I am proud to be a citizen of the country that boasts to have such business schools!

Buddy, no offence but this was actually backhanded praise from you. Do you know the stature of the faculty visiting ISB? Did your "close" friends ever criticize any of them?

Seriously, I can also quote stories from "close" friends who studied at some Old and established schools in India

And frankly, coming from a person who has a 750 in GMAT and 99.73 percentile in XAT 2007 (and offers from XLRI and XIMB) but a surprisingly bad score in CAT, clearing competitive tests is all about how well you do on that day.

And if quality of students were an issue, you can certainly ask your "close" friends at ISB and elsewhere about how many b-school events ISB grads tend to win at all the best b-school competitions in India as well as abroad.

Frankly, my intention is not to start a flame war. But seriously guys, RELAX!!!!!

Nice perspective:

....
And that's the truth beyond any rankings or ramblings over the rankings!

Hi All

I am a IIM aspirant and appearing CAT this year. ISB news is definitely encouraging. I Still have to decide between the two giants in the Indian B-School Space. Intrugued by the comments made I went on looking for some common platform to compare IIMs and ISB. Found something really interesting and probably all we aspirants see things from a different perspective. Follows is a list of B-School competitions where ISB students have done a great job, surprisingly in the home turf of IIM's as well...quite convincingly. Also the Innovation challenge at Darden caught my eye which is most respected B-plan competition in the world....ISB was ranked 2nd this year with schools like Harwards/Wharton/ Kellogs participating. Also it was the only school with two shortlist in top ten. IIM-Indore was the only other Indian B-school which managed to get a shortlist....here you go
List of victories by ISBians in the battle against the best brains in the business school!
All India Management Student's Convention
Annie Mathew and Raman Bhardwaj
2nd Prize
Paper Presentation: "The New Age Manager - An Entrepreneur"

B'School A'ffaire Paper writing Competition
Ankur Warikoo, Umang Kumar, Sushma Kaushik
1st Prize
Paper: "How Brands become Icons"

MICANVAS - Online Quiz organized by MICA
1st Prize
Ramey V and Praveen Gonabal

Technix - NITIE - IT Business Case
Rohit Kapoor & Umang Kumar
2nd Position

Logistix - Supply Chain Management Game - NITIE
Rohit Kapoor & Umang Kumar
2nd Position

IIM Ahmedabad MasterPlan Compeition
6 Teams from ISB shortlistd.

IIM Bangalore - Online Forex Trading Game.
Pavit Singh Sistani & Simran Khara
2nd Prize

IIM Bangalore - Private Equity Fund Competition
Vibhu Walia and Nikhil Chandak
1st Prize

Open Quiz @ KCIRCLE, hyderabad
Parveen Gonabal & Archana
1st Prize

***Innovation Challenge - ThunderBird
2 Teams from ISB shortlisted.
Only Indian B-school to be in the top-10
Only B-school to have 2 teams in the top-10

http://www.innovationchallenge.com/ChallengeResults.htm

XLRI - Grass Roots Competition
"HealthCare: Bottom of Pyramid"
Harsh Sharma & Ehteshamul Haque
3rd Place
XLRI Jamshedpur, HR Paper Competition
Asish Mohapatra, Anshu Gupta
1st Prize

IIFT Delhi, B-Plan for NGOs
Asish Mohapatra, Anshu Gupta
1st Prize

IIM Indore - Blogger's park: writeup: Viral marketing & blogging
Bharanidharan Viswanathan
1st Prize

XLRI International IT Seminar Paper Presentation
Vishal Dugar
1st Prize

IIM Calcutta - INTAGLIO '05 - QUIZZICAL - General Quiz
Ramkey.V, Deb Bhattacharya, Amandeep Bedi
1st Prize

Nalsar University of Law, Hyderabad - Inter-Collegiate General Quiz
Ramkey.V, Anant Nair, Aravindan.G
1st Prize

Nalsar University of Law, Hyderabad - MASTERMIND Quiz
Ramkey.V
1st Prize

Nalsar University of Law, Hyderabad - Inter-Collegiate DumbCharades
Ramkey.V, Anant Nair, Aravindan.G
1st Prize

NTPC Electron Quiz, "EQ - 2005", Inter-Collegiate General Quiz
Ramkey.V, Aravindan.G
1st Prize

Osmania University, College vs Corporate Business Quiz
Ramkey V
1st

Great Lakes Institute of Mgmt, Inter B-School Business Quiz
Ramkey.V, Deb Bhattacharya
2nd

CRISIL Young Thought Leader 2005
Raghini Rajaram
2nd

IIM Indore - Irising - Need For Speed
Aditya Kejriwal
2nd

IIFT Delhi, International Paper Writing Competition.
Surendra Ruhela
2nd

XLRI Jamshedpur, Business Plan Competition "Grass Roots"
Harsh Vardhan Sharma, Ehteshamul Haque
3rd

Economic Times Case Study Contest
Vishal Dugar
3rd

Nalsar University of Law, Hyderabad - Inter-Collegiate 20 Questions
Ramkey.V, Anant Nair
3rd

IIM Indore - IRIS '05 - Labyrinth - General Quiz
Ramkey.V, Aravindan.G
3rd

IIM Ahmedabad - Confluence - Bizquizzitive (Business Quiz)
Ramkey.V, Deb Bhattacharya, Amandeep Bedi
3rd

IIMB - Foursight Cognizant case
Shameek Chakravarty, Gaurav Balhara
Finalist

Thunderbird Global Innovation Challenge
Rohit Chhapolia, Konark Saxena, Bhishm Chugani, Anand Sairam, Rohit Garg
Finalist - top 10

Thunderbird Global Innovation Challenge
Rishi Varma, Mitika Kulshreshtha, Shameek Chakravarty, Saurabh Mathur, Sushma Kaushik,
Finalist - top 10

IIMLucknow-Markstrat
Arun N, Amrit Singh, Anna Abraham, Anita Menon, Dileep Prasad
Finalist (competition continuing)

MICA - MiCANVAS - NASH IT OUT - Game Theory Contest
Ramkey.V, Praveen Gonabal
Finalist (couldn't attend)

DFJ-TiE India Venture Challenge
Ashok Hariharan, Krishna Depura & Mohit Garg
Finalist (to be held on Dec 12th)

IIM Ahemdabad - Master Plan
Mohit Garg,Henna Minhas, Krishna Depura, Anshul bansal, Ashish Srivastava
Finalist (top 6)

ACE 2005 - Corporate cum B-School Quiz - held in ISB
Ramkey.V, Kartik Ramakrishnan
Finalist (top 6)

MICA - MiCANVAS Inter B-School Business Quiz
Ramkey.V, Praveen Gonabal
Finalist (top 6)

XLRI - ITC Pharohas ( Finance game)
Aparoop Chakrobarty, Pankaj Ojha
Finalist(did not attend)

IIM-A-Confluence- MBTO- Case Study Contest
Rohit Kapoor, Rohit Chhapolia, Umang Kumar, Sushma Kaushik, Shameek Chakravarthy, Prameet Kamat
Finalist(top 6)

IIM-A-Confluence- GTEP-Case Study Contest
Rohit Kapoor, Rohit Chhapolia, Umang Kumar, Sushma Kaushik, Shameek Chakravarthy, Prameet Kamat
Finalist(top 6)

IIM-I- Iris-ART OF WAR- paper writing contest
Umang Kumar, Sushma Kaushik
Finalist(top 6)

XLRI Jamshedpur, "Flight of Icarus" Operations Case
Caunteya Parekh, Gaurav Govil
Finalists (2nd Position) (did not attend)

IIM Indore - IRIS '05 - Chain Reaction - Operations Game
Ramkey.V, Aravindan.G
Finalists (couldn't attend)

IIM Indore, Insurance Simulation Game
Rohit Kapoor, Asish Mohapatra, Umang Kumar
Finalists (did not attend)

XLRI International IT Seminar Paper Presentation
Gaurav Malik
Finalists (did not attend)

IIM Indore, Investment Management Game
Pavit Singh Sistani, Ramkey V, Aravindan G
Finalists (Finished 6th out of

IIM Calcutta, Retail Marketing Simulation
Asish Mohapatra, Anshu Gupta
Finalists (not yet held)

IIM-C Bulls and Bears 2005
Sridhar S, Rohit Garg, Pranjal Jain and Yashraj Erande
Finalists (not yet held)

IIM-C Bulls and Bears 2005
Samir Sheth, Naman Bagri, Nikhil Chandak, Samrat Sharma
Finalists (not yet held)

IIM Calcutta, Operations Case
Kedar Gavane, Mayank Agarwalla, Ranjeet Kumar
Finalists (not yet held)

IIM-C Bulls and Bears 2005
Caunteya Parekh, PVR Prasad, Namita Ogale, Prashanth T
Finalists (not yet held)

IIM-C Bulls and Bears 2005
Aparoop Chakrobarty, Pankaj Ojha, Tathagata M, Bhargava
jankiraman Finalists (not yet held)

IIM-C Bulls and Bears 2005
Sanjeev Kumar, Ashish Madhav, Sudhanshu Mohan, Manjari Ray
Finalists (not yet held)

MINDAdvantage National Paper Competition
Sandeep Srivastava,Nitin Narang, Pawan Ambardekar
Finalists (top 7)

IIM B Forex Trading Game
Pankaj Ojha, Akash Rastogi
First in one Daily Prize

IIMA Confluenc MasterPlan
Swati Singh, Chandrashekhar V, Vikram Raman
Shortlisted

IIMA Confluenc MasterPlan
Rohit Kapoor, Umang Kumar, Prameet Kamat, Tina Eipe, Aditi Nitin, Anirudh Deb
Shortlisted

IIMA Confluenc MasterPlan
Kapil Bansal, Parveen Bansal, Ankur Verma
Shortlisted

IIMA Confluence MasterPlan
Arun N, Amrit Singh, Anna Abraham
Shortlisted

IIM Ahemdabad - "Innovations on the Horizon" - Finance case presentation
Murali Krishna, Raghini Rajaram, Ramakrishnan, Ehteshamul Haque
Third

XLRI Jamshedpur, Business Plan Competition "ABhikalp"
Ashok Hariharan, Nidhi Aggarwal, Manjith Nair, Mukti Bum
Top 5 out of 120 teams

IIM Ahemdabad - "Innovations on the Horizon" - Finance case presentation
Abhishek Pandey, Chandrashakhar Vattikutti, PVR Prasad, Mukul Singhal, Gaurav Balhara, Sanjoy Ghosh
Second

Aavishkaar B Plan Cpmpetition
Surabhi Tripathi, Punit Kumar
Shortlisted

excellent news.. sadly no iim's in top 100

Nice perspective:

.....

And that's the truth beyond any rankings or ramblings over the rankings!

Buddy, no offence but this was actually backhanded praise from you. Do you know the stature of the faculty visiting ISB? Did your "close" friends ever criticize any of them?

Seriously, I can also quote stories from "close" friends who studied at some Old and established schools in India

And frankly, coming from a person who has a 750 in GMAT and 99.73 percentile in XAT 2007 (and offers from XLRI and XIMB) but a surprisingly bad score in CAT, clearing competitive tests is all about how well you do on that day.

And if quality of students were an issue, you can certainly ask your "close" friends at ISB and elsewhere about how many b-school events ISB grads tend to win at all the best b-school competitions in India as well as abroad.

Frankly, my intention is not to start a flame war. But seriously guys, RELAX!!!!!

Nice perspective:

ISB, is definitely the best 1 year MBA program in India.
With the kind of corpus it's sitting on, the industrial back-up, the governing-body consisting of top 15 BSchools Deans and so on... ranking may not come as a surprise.

Within India, ISB has come up as amongst the best B-Schools.
It's too early to comment upon it's global recognition and I hope it catches up and showcases in terms of International Student Participation and other aspects.

For the lectures and quality of professors - I hold a different view.
You may audit IIMs classes and you may find them better than ISB lectures.
ISB boasts International Faculty. Not surprisingly in brochure most of International Faculty is actually of Indian origin - wonder if that's not a wonderful visit to the homecountry for on such an official trip and not otherwise.

Man- full-time faculty is definitely a plus as compared to visiting faculty.
Within the timeframe ISB or for that matter any BSchool cannot cover curriculum in depth. So from 'imparting education' perspective too, IIMs cover a broad spectrum of subjects with a much deeper reach.


I am sure IIM guys, MDI, SPJain, FMS or any other good BSchool students would share your opinion and open their classes for such audits :)

To speak about quality of students - how many of the ISB students have taken CAT before and not succeeded? Does that mean all these once IIM aspirants were not clear about MBA as a career option and now after couple of years of experience are clear in their aspirations??

If I believe in the sample size (my close friends in ISB and students whom I know) - all of them took CAT and needless to say were not successful.

Having said that, ISB or IIM is just another great B School in India. Some make it to IIMs.
Some do not. Some make it to ISB. some do not.

So let's not question quality of students of either these institutes - and CAT deserves it's due respect.

Last but not the least, to speak about salaries - we know how inflated the numbers can be.

IIM A-B-C also quote the similar average salary and have better recruiters in terms of I-Banks and Consulting firms.

ISB is catching up and has done pretty well. All of us know the school holds great promise and we just hope it gets better with team.

Regarding Vice Dean's message - I hope the school keeps a check on the feedback provided by International and Indian Students in their MBA Fairs - abroad.

In the western part of the world, MBA-Fair team from ISB could be termed anything but in humility.

As for most of us Indians - either be ISB or IIM - if we get accepted, I am sure these schools will be difficult to say "NO" to.

And that's the truth beyond any rankings or ramblings over the rankings!

Actually it is good to see disbelief and criticism. ....
My two cents.

Someone said that the increase in 'ranking' will mean that more international students will join ISB.
Wow! and we think that this is a GOOD thing ?
Is that the reason, for which we want more 'international' students joining ISB ?
because of its ranking ?

Please no straw man arguments.

Just wondering.

I am with FT rankings.
Those saying it crap should give some ground on
which one should compare all major B-schools in
the world. US news gives rankings specific to US
only. What about the rest part of the world. Business
week never dares to compare the rankings of
US b-schools to European or to Asian b-schools.
I think we should respect the efforts FT is taking in
their research and coming out with a through and through
comparison of the B-schools all over the world.
Regarding the importance of a rankings, I am of the
view that they have a very large stake in deciding
which colleges to apply to. Everyone who has applied
to any B-school talks in terms of ranking. A 750 Gmat
will say he applied to top 10 or top 15 universities. A
99 %iler in CAT would say its better to go for a 1-10
ranked MBA program in India rather than going abroad
to a 20-30 program. See rankings are everywhere.
And with ISB getting it to a stunning rank of 20, things
will work for them. They worked a lot on getting the international
focus this year. And they have made it to FT.
Even the accreditation team from US had visited ISB
recently.
All in all it's a great achievement for ISB and a door to the
world for other Indian B-schools. Rather than getting in to
nitty-gritty, lets celebrate the grand success of the
first ever Indian school.
Cheers!

Have edited the earlier post..in all good faith.

I read a couple of posts discussing the rankings(credibility) of the rankings by various institutions.

FT.com figures among the top3 in terms of credibility.

Posting a link for those interested.

http://www.gmac.com/NR/rdonlyres/0C770711-8E97-4661-B386-E390661441A4/0/RR0510_SchoolBrandImages.pdf

cheers

Kunal, Happned to come across an earlier post of yours (pasted below) on pagalguy. Talk about sour grapes..this explains a lot of things. ...............................Regards
Kunal

Dude.. U r making things personal.. Thats extremly unprofessional.. I wud request you to edit ur post immediatly.. That will be in good spirit..

Try and make a point about the main topic being discussed and lets not get sidetracked..

And this being ur first post, not a great start at PG..

Sam

Hey Kunal,

I just read my post and realised its really rude.. extremly sorry.. nothing personal dude.. None at all..

Kunal, Happned to come across an earlier post of yours (not pasted below) on pagalguy. Talk about sour grapes..this explains a lot of things.

@ bornforyou..

I would appreciate if you could put ur frank thoughts on this matter as you are from ISB and in a much better position to guide..

@uRMad.. Well I didn't start with any personal attacks. but yes if anyone points a finger at me, I would definitely like to answer..

Dear Kunal,

First of all STOP TAKING THINGS PERSONAL..

This is a discussion forum and everyone has a view point.. u say something- someone contradicts u.. plain simple debating.. nothing personal et al..

Secondly- have some control on ur language dude.. U r not new to this forum.. so lets take things in a mature way..

Thirdly- Im surpised to see that till now u have just said that the rankings are bad not to be believed , blah blah blah.. and also that u r an engineering student who got dinged last year and HENCE a credible source.. but u havent given two cents of good reasoning for that.. and u r asking everyone else , who is contradicting u, to prove their point.. Ill prove it for them- Today FT came out with a new world b school ranking and they have ranked ISB at number 20 after doing their bit of research (and for the uninitiated- FT is quite a credible source).. so does that do it..???

and yes- u might debate on the ranking given to ISB (i also have my views on that and dont agree with the rank.. it sud be somewhere further down i believe, but then thats my personal opinion) but u cannot debate the fact that ISB deserves to be on that list.. the fact remains that ISB has broken into the list and i hope its their to stay..

Sam

P.S. MODS: CAn v close this thread or the other one discusiing the same thing- or atleast merge themm..??? no point having two threads discussing the same darn thing..

A major part of the FT rankings comes from the performance of the Alumni of a B-School.

The factors that have the highest rating in FT rankings are

1) Average salary for alumni during the three years after graduation - 20 %
2) Percentage increase in salary from start of MBA to three years after graduation - 20 %

So, I hope that will lay to rest the speculation on the salary front. :smile:

Please read the link below for further 'research.'

FT.com / Global MBA 2007 - How to read the rankings: How the raw data are processed

Cheers