Believe me Guys n Girls.... I totally agree with all of you...
Even I dont bother about the number of times..till the other person is loyal and truly love you..

But then some one said And how do you know that she/he truly loves you!!!! Do we have any love-meter here?

This is the real question

Now if a girl is non-virgin, that means she must be truly in love with some one before marrying you.. Because unlike guys, girls dont have *** with someone whom they dont love truly and deeply (there can be exceptions)

And love doesnt happen "twice" in a lifetime...

so think before marrying a non-virgin.. they wont be able to love you the way they were able to do the first time

Shimble, I'll use the same Love-Meter that you are using to know whether your "Virgin" GF/Wife loves you

After all, what works for you should work for me also na

Dude take a step back and look at the question you've asked. Does any sane person ask these type of questions?? Or are you just asking them for the sake of asking??

Rather than making a mockery of this thread try to analyze that you have not got of like a dixen or neither that much westernized that it didnot even make u a time to think about all that

hope i didn't offend u and please do not load me with counter shi**

umesh_ladha Says

And how do you know that she/he truly loves you!!!! Do we have any love-meter here?

Shimble, I'll use the same Love-Meter that you are using to know whether your "Virgin" GF/Wife loves you

After all, what works for you should work for me also na

Dude take a step back and look at the question you've asked. Does any sane person ask these type of questions?? Or are you just asking them for the sake of asking??

who the hell has got time or interest in knowing how many times ur partner has made love before to somebodyu else!!!!!!!
grow up generation.........

Ok, Everyone knows that the average marraige is rissing..then would you mind marrying some one who had *** more than 100 times before marrying "YOU"..

Well first of all girl will never tell whether she had it 100/1000/10000 times. There is not technique to find the count.So stop thinking about this types of question.

Since u have asked the question i wll replpy to it.I cant generalise it but i would say that at least i dont mind if my wife is not a virgin & the no of times is irrelvent if she is loyal, committed & loves me.

guys..........
this is 21st century ........wheresthe time for all this........
its the era of **** n bye.......well bye!!!!!!!:grab:

Gosh............Rustam...that was Sick......!!!!wish the discussion doesnt start a debate on the Capacity of having s**........

umesh_ladha Says

Puys, you got to answer this.....

How about a 1000??

Dont you get it?? I dont care if its once, a 100 times or a thousand!! its irrelevant! Virginity is a concept handed down to us by our fore-fathers by their fore-fathers and so on and so backwards

When you truly love her, and she truly loves you nothin and i mean Nothin else matters.

Think about it.

And how do you know that she/he truly loves you!!!! Do we have any love-meter here?

OK.. Many pople wrote that they have no problem in marrying a non virgin untill she is loyal to them..
Ok, Everyone knows that the average marraige is rissing..then would you mind marrying some one who had *** more than 100 times before marrying "YOU"..

Puys, you got to answer this.....

OK.. Many pople wrote that they have no problem in marrying a non virgin untill she is loyal to them..
Ok, Everyone knows that the average marraige is rissing..then would you mind marrying some one who had *** more than 100 times before marrying "YOU"..

How about a 1000??

Dont you get it?? I dont care if its once, a 100 times or a thousand!! its irrelevant! Virginity is a concept handed down to us by our fore-fathers by their fore-fathers and so on and so backwards

When you truly love her, and she truly loves you nothin and i mean Nothin else matters.

Think about it.

OK.. Many pople wrote that they have no problem in marrying a non virgin untill she is loyal to them..
Ok, Everyone knows that the average marraige is rissing..then would you mind marrying some one who had *** more than 100 times before marrying "YOU"..

Last ones Azzem-o-shaan !!!!! ;-)...................Fighting for peace is likehaving sex for virginity......................too good!!!

on the lighter side..........

I always thought of losing my virginity as a career move.

An isolated outbreak of virginity
is a rash on the face of society.
It arouses only pity from the married,
and embarrassment from the single.
Charlotte Bingham
It is one of the superstitions of
the human mind to have imagined
that virginity could be a virtue.
Voltaire
Fighting for peace is like
having sex for virginity.
Anonymous
Azeem

on the lighter side..........

I always thought of losing my virginity as a career move.

An isolated outbreak of virginity
is a rash on the face of society.
It arouses only pity from the married,
and embarrassment from the single.
Charlotte Bingham

It is one of the superstitions of
the human mind to have imagined
that virginity could be a virtue.
Voltaire

Fighting for peace is like
having sex for virginity.
Anonymous

Azeem

I believe, the ' new person - virgin again ' theory applies here...........


This is what he told me :-


Every time you make love with a woman for the first time. Irrespective of your V-status.........Both of you are virgins all over again. Its a new dance of lovemaking.......a new experience created........a unison of souls........... Hence, it is impossible to really lose your Virginity, except to the person you have already had the 'Sambhog' with....
Each time you do it with somebody new and somebody you really connect with............you lose it............with that person............all over again. That is the universal truth..........That is Nirvana

attaboy!

I believe, the ' new person - virgin again ' theory applies here...........
I had a strange dream last night.
I was at the himalayas, in search of enlightenment and I met this Great Rishi-cum-Yogi-cum-Baba-cum-Guru.
I said to him, "Oh Great one.........can you give me a solution to the problem of virginity ? I thought I knew, but after I read some ( Gulti inspired ) posts on PG, I feel like I'm losing my mind. I have lost my virginity too.....:( And I want to be pure again.........I want to shine like the gold in the fire...........I want............I want..........GIVE ME THE KNOWLEDGE..........!!!"
He told me that after several years of meditation, Guru-brainstorming, and some attempts at kundalini yoga he had finally found the answer !!!

This is what he told me :-


Every time you make love with a woman for the first time. Irrespective of your V-status.........Both of you are virgins all over again. Its a new dance of lovemaking.......a new experience created........a unison of souls........... Hence, it is impossible to really lose your Virginity, except to the person you have already had the 'Sambhog' with....
Each time you do it with somebody new and somebody you really connect with............you lose it............with that person............all over again. That is the universal truth..........That is Nirvana

LOL!!

well , Marrying A Non- Virgin Is Not The Question. Ofcourse I Would Never Mind To Interfere In My Partner's Past. Partner Should Be Honest In The Future N I Think Dats More Than Enough.

okies after a year im logging on and what a thread to post on

BHAI sresee(WHATEVER) tu kaunse planet se hai yaar . how did u inculcate these fundas in life man . uS is the incorrect place to refine ur skills dude u belong to the himlayas come backhome and sit perched on a tree up north and attain nirvana solace .

plz desist propagating such fundas in us of a as they show our country in poor light .

i wanna put forth a few lines in hindi but i need to adhere to a certain decorum dude.

abe tu chu.......... hai kya . i am no one to preach or teach but all i will say is that i did come across such moronic idiots in my engg days ( and in my mba currently) u guys only provide entertainment to others degrading ur value at the same time .
i pity such guys who never
1. never had the exposure to think soo
2. never felt the need to do soo
3. never been told to do soo.

dude get a diff perspective to life in todays world people like u get swindled at the drop of a hat why make a mockrey of urself in public mate .

" a person who fails to negotiate the word change becomes obselete"
change man change varna public aise hi bajaegi tera (laughing stock)
plz change the perception u have about * blah blah... never heard those terminoligies (was knowledge anyways for me)

kya sample pice hai tu bhai man u should have been with me in engg would have provided my gang with non stop entertainment mate .

coming to VIR/NON VIRGIN gyan has already being showered upon us by esteemed pagalites
all i have to say is that never expect things to go ur way coz if it would everybody would be successfull in life and never desire anything anymore.
MORE IMP I FEEL AT THIS STAGE AND ERA IS AN HIV TEST
dont u guys think its more mandatory . ( i am deviating off topic )
BUT I THINK HIV test holds more relevance than virgin or blah blah ( sounds too kiddish to even discuss)
It should be mandatory and implemented in country where we have sexually starved animals ( blame it on the system or society or whatever) hiv is a ticking time bomb and needs to be addressed than such imprudent and petulant issues .

Nice !!!

OK, can someone please solve my dilemma? I have been pondering over it for quite some time and now that we have a lot of knowledgeable people on this thread....

Our mythology states that the 5 pandavas married draupadi. Will she, considering that she was a faithful wife, be considered pure or impure???:neutral:

I do not know any details about their lives. I am no GURU on this and also if you state something, please add information about the sources.

I believe, the ' new person - virgin again ' theory applies here...........
I had a strange dream last night.
I was at the himalayas, in search of enlightenment and I met this Great Rishi-cum-Yogi-cum-Baba-cum-Guru.
I said to him, "Oh Great one.........can you give me a solution to the problem of virginity ? I thought I knew, but after I read some ( Gulti inspired ) posts on PG, I feel like I'm losing my mind. I have lost my virginity too.....:( And I want to be pure again.........I want to shine like the gold in the fire...........I want............I want..........GIVE ME THE KNOWLEDGE..........!!!"
He told me that after several years of meditation, Guru-brainstorming, and some attempts at kundalini yoga he had finally found the answer !!!

This is what he told me :-


Every time you make love with a woman for the first time. Irrespective of your V-status.........Both of you are virgins all over again. Its a new dance of lovemaking.......a new experience created........a unison of souls........... Hence, it is impossible to really lose your Virginity, except to the person you have already had the 'Sambhog' with....
Each time you do it with somebody new and somebody you really connect with............you lose it............with that person............all over again. That is the universal truth..........That is Nirvana

Okies Umesh!!!!

Thankooo hai!

And I apologize that I thought otherwise wrt to your post. Sowwy hai!!

Who said? No we arent dude

Umesh, non-virgin does not mean you have lust for other men and women. I am in a relationship since 4 years and I know that my guy was not a virgin. But he is one of the few good people I have met in my life. And yea, he has never letched at any woman!

And I trust his purity of mind and soul becuase I know he is totally in love with me and committed to me. Doesnt mean that he loves me any less or I love him any less. I totally respect him.

Well when your guy told you about that he had sex before, then he is virgin in his thoughts and soul. Thats better than anything. If you look at my post, body came at the last... Purity of body can also mean that you are not without any STD or any other disease... Why do we want to limit the meaning of virginity to only sex. is it not a very narrow view....

@rajat, I acknowledge my lack of knowledge or explanation of this.. There are things which should be left untouched... Probably it may one of those...

rajatc Says

Our mythology states that the 5 pandavas married draupadi. Will she, considering that she was a faithful wife, be considered pure or impure???

All I can say is LOL

But I cant answer this question of yours:(

PS- I am not against any religion here!

karunmalik Says

now even hymens are being discussed wonder what will follow now

Who said? No we arent dude

Umesh, non-virgin does not mean you have lust for other men and women. I am in a relationship since 4 years and I know that my guy was not a virgin. But he is one of the few good people I have met in my life. And yea, he has never letched at any woman!

And I trust his purity of mind and soul becuase I know he is totally in love with me and committed to me. Doesnt mean that he loves me any less or I love him any less. I totally respect him.

umesh_ladha Says

As for me virginity means purity of mind and soul and then body..

And subsequently all your thoughts will revolve around this one thought. Alas, that will not lead you to appreciate other people's thoughts.

OK, can someone please solve my dilemma? I have been pondering over it for quite some time and now that we have a lot of knowledgeable people on this thread....

Our mythology states that the 5 pandavas married draupadi. Will she, considering that she was a faithful wife, be considered pure or impure???:neutral:

I do not know any details about their lives. I am no GURU on this and also if you state something, please add information about the sources.

Agreed! I love my country and its culture

So you mean again that non-virgins are not worth enough to be married.

Never I intended to point to this direction. I was just telling about the virginity... And being a non-virgin doesnt only mean that you had sex.. Its also that you have lust for other women/men, hence you are non-virgin by your mind.... As for me virginity means purity of mind and soul and then body..

Okay. Premarital sex is a personal choice. No one can force you for it. Everyone has different opinions about everything and everyone is entitled to his/her opinion.

But your post gives an indication that non-virgins are not worthy enough. No, it is not like that. Tell me something! Would you be happy to marry someone who is a virgin but does not respect you or your family? I dont think so.

Since virginity is purity of mind, thoughts and soul. being virgin doesn't mean that not having sex, its more bigger than that. I hope you would understand with this perspective.

What matters more is the kind of a person he/she is. Virginity is totally secondary.

Now the medical student in me rises. . There are 100's of reasons why a woman might not bleed the first time. Doesnt mean that she is not a virgin!. It can be due to extreme anxiety, tension and stress. It can be due to an active lifestyle. It is not possible to determine this in any way. Please get your facts right!

Right I knew that, but what I pointed out was the practice and not the causes of the breaking of hymen.. So my facts are right. Also I was a biology student....

now even hymens are being discussed wonder what will follow now .

Agreed! I love my country and its culture



So you mean again that non-virgins are not worth enough to be married.

Okay. Premarital sex is a personal choice. No one can force you for it. Everyone has different opinions about everything and everyone is entitled to his/her opinion.

But your post gives an indication that non-virgins are not worthy enough. No, it is not like that. Tell me something! Would you be happy to marry someone who is a virgin but does not respect you or your family? I dont think so.

What matters more is the kind of a person he/she is. Virginity is totally secondary.



Now the medical student in me rises. . There are 100's of reasons why a woman might not bleed the first time. Doesnt mean that she is not a virgin!. It can be due to extreme anxiety, tension and stress. It can be due to an active lifestyle. It is not possible to determine this in any way. Please get your facts right!

I used this argument to stress upon the holistic view of ancient indian culture.

Agreed! I love my country and its culture

We want the best people to go to IIMs, why not best people be for the institution like marriage...

So you mean again that non-virgins are not worth enough to be married.

Okay. Premarital sex is a personal choice. No one can force you for it. Everyone has different opinions about everything and everyone is entitled to his/her opinion.

But your post gives an indication that non-virgins are not worthy enough. No, it is not like that. Tell me something! Would you be happy to marry someone who is a virgin but does not respect you or your family? I dont think so.

What matters more is the kind of a person he/she is. Virginity is totally secondary.

It was the practice of muslims to check whether on the first night whether the hymen is intact or not... (No racial comments. Just the facts, as per my knowledge, please correct if wrong.) So being virgin is being pure...

Now the medical student in me rises. . There are 100's of reasons why a woman might not bleed the first time. Doesnt mean that she is not a virgin!. It can be due to extreme anxiety, tension and stress. It can be due to an active lifestyle. It is not possible to determine this in any way. Please get your facts right!

okies after a year im logging on and what a thread to post on

BHAI sresee(WHATEVER) tu kaunse planet se hai yaar . how did u inculcate these fundas in life man . uS is the incorrect place to refine ur skills dude u belong to the himlayas come backhome and sit perched on a tree up north and attain nirvana solace .

plz desist propagating such fundas in us of a as they show our country in poor light .

i wanna put forth a few lines in hindi but i need to adhere to a certain decorum dude.

abe tu chu.......... hai kya . i am no one to preach or teach but all i will say is that i did come across such moronic idiots in my engg days ( and in my mba currently) u guys only provide entertainment to others degrading ur value at the same time .
i pity such guys who never
1. never had the exposure to think soo
2. never felt the need to do soo
3. never been told to do soo.

dude get a diff perspective to life in todays world people like u get swindled at the drop of a hat why make a mockrey of urself in public mate .

" a person who fails to negotiate the word change becomes obselete"
change man change varna public aise hi bajaegi tera (laughing stock)
plz change the perception u have about * blah blah... never heard those terminoligies (was knowledge anyways for me)

kya sample pice hai tu bhai man u should have been with me in engg would have provided my gang with non stop entertainment mate .

coming to VIR/NON VIRGIN gyan has already being showered upon us by esteemed pagalites
all i have to say is that never expect things to go ur way coz if it would everybody would be successfull in life and never desire anything anymore.
MORE IMP I FEEL AT THIS STAGE AND ERA IS AN HIV TEST
dont u guys think its more mandatory . ( i am deviating off topic )
BUT I THINK HIV test holds more relevance than virgin or blah blah ( sounds too kiddish to even discuss)
It should be mandatory and implemented in country where we have sexually starved animals ( blame it on the system or society or whatever) hiv is a ticking time bomb and needs to be addressed than such imprudent and petulant issues .

Wow! I dont need a brain! I can just go to a sperm bank and take a cuppa from there??:

dude! We are not proving yoga wrong. I do yoga and so does everyone in my family. I use Swami Ramdev's medicines. Yoga is something universal and it doesnt have anything to do with premarital sex

Hi candy,

I used this argument to stress upon the holistic view of ancient indian culture. And after this somebody claimed that Yoga cant cure cancer and parkinson.... Can that person tell me why nerves degenerate? Yoga seems very simple, there is nothing hi-tech here.. so people discard this... They are speaking about splitting the embryo cell... When sperm and ovum fuse together, embryo is formed. This is like the birth of the baby. If you are splitting embryo cell, its like killing that baby... Its like foeticide.

What I am wanted to point to is, "We are pointing to western research and approval for all our discoveries about human body and its needs"

Regarding virginity destroying the social fabric... Social fabric is a very intricate subject. I dont claim to be an authority on this. Our social fabric has evolved over a period of long time.... Its time and tested but after 10th or 11th century it started to degenerate because we started looking at outsiders for the approval of our practices... So people who think with a horizon back to 10th century would find many bad practices....

There are many good things in our past... The monarchy for instance, you may feel that it was bad... Now did democracy made any difference? We the people got the power but did we used it properly... Did anybody thought whether the people who are given power are worthy of getting it.. When a person becomes a CEO, we give them power. Don't we think we see that whether that person is worthy of weilding that power....

Vote is the biggest power for a person, but before giving the vote power did any body thought whether these people can use it properly...

Coming back to the topic.
Virginity for me is being pure in your mind and thoughts. Its not a piece of tissue. It was the practice of muslims to check whether on the first night whether the hymen is intact or not... (No racial comments. Just the facts, as per my knowledge, please correct if wrong.) So being virgin is being pure... Gold doesnt shine's unless it is exosed to fire.. Similarly being brahmachari is the test for a person(he/she).

When is person is going to get married, its like getting your MBA. You have to give a CAT test, similarly for being married people earlier had a condition that the person should be virgin (pure).. Whats wrong in that... Some people also want a reservation here!!!!

We want the best people to go to IIMs, why not best people be for the institution like marriage...

Someone rightly pointed out, we have to control our senses... Then why not this sense too....

Arguments and opinions invited...

Ok..sorry to say I never quite get this question whenever it crops up ??:
Imagine a situation, when you really like a man/woman (for whatever reasons) and you are seeing him/her.
When the news finally breaks to you that he or she is virgin/non-virgin, would you actually consider to part ways just because he or she is a virgin/non-virgin? Sorry, I find it very lame and stupid.

"Dhobi ka kutta na ghar ka na ghat ka" now i know what it means
and i am still waiting for my answer to my previous question asked to you
regards,
neil :snipersm:

Guys, no personal remarks and smudging please... We may have different perspectives, but please counter it and dont start a personal attack on other people like how are politicians are.... Atleast we are all better than our politicians...

sex among ppl is not just abt making babies only or else why would have nature made it so exciting and pleasurable??batao batao!! it is to make sure ppl have lots of sex and by the law of averages of hit and miss , more children. in the indian context, virginity or no virginity,spirituality or not as is being discussed ,the population is growing at an exponential pace. in the recent times sex is being made to be a sin.i am sure it wasnt like this centuries ago during the times of khajurao and KS. if a person's intention is to get married only once and stay married till death , he/she should look for a partner of the opposite gender who is compatible in every way or else life will be hell irrespective of the virginity status.is the fastest growing thread in PG??

Damn you sreesree!!!

You better not link me with anyone here!And you better not make any crap remarks about me becuase till now I have refrained from commenting on you but seems you really want to be criticized right! You drag me in mud I drag you in shit.Simple!

Now you are the one who is visiting people's blogs and commenting like shit on that. Why dont you have guts enough to write it here?

Do you ask your mom and dad for everything?:wow: Wow! So then why are you going around using crap on people's blogs? Dude, limit this issue to PG and dont go around spamming everywhere!

Enjoy the dicussion instead of personal attacks.

OMG! Now why are you saying this when personal attacks were actually started by you

do not waste your time, learn something new, build your career, do somethin useful to the world

Okay and is that what you are doing? Hypocrite!

Here the question is pre-marital sex.. if we really have to deal this on a
rational mind set... it ammounts to WRONG KNOWLEDGE.

LOL! Wrong knowledge! Damn!

Well, let me tell you that it is written in the purana that men should beat women too. Would you follow that? Beat your sis or your wife?

Man! move out of your prehistoric knowledge

BTW, again if u get carried away by the Pre-marital excersises.. then sure
it will hamper spiritual progress..

Now now now I wonder what makes me an atheist! What what what!

if U say.. multiple relationships are so common... common for whom?
whats relationship? are u calling something mechanical spiritual?

Seems you have NEVER had a relationship in your life!:neutral: Relationships are NOT mechanical. I said before they are as much emotional as physical!

Suggestion for you: Try taking sanyas and become a yogi

Consult your father andmother and ask whether your view is true... then discuss

Seems you even consult them when you have to eat, go to the loo, breath and stuff like that. I wonder how shocked they will be when you tell them you have been posting here like mad!OMG! And what would they say when they get to know that their virtous son has posted crap on Neil's blog

Hey, if you think you are so smart, then why do n't u rock the world, and get an admission at IIM A or Stanford or Harvard

Wow! Are you studying there cos u definitely seem too smart for yourself!

Umesh you rocks and you rule the world! great disaster for Great II and Candy and other Northie CHAPDASI gunda! beautiful answer.

Northie chapdasi! Wow! Look who is spewing racism here

And puhleez, Great, Lucifer, UTG, Neil and me are NOT gonna be bogged down by this

Candy bean: for argument sake you can say anything. but truth always hurts.

So you are like Harishchandra? Ooopsie! Bad news! Surprisingly it did not hurt

And this sentence of your reflects the need based attitude of your life "the american way", enjoy the life as well. Your body is for your enjoyment.. Forget about the hindu theology.. Dont you think your body should be used for something usefull and worthy rather than for your sexual enticement....

None of us here are following the American way of life. I love my country as much as you do but then everyone is entitled to live their own way of life. Sexual enticement is not the only thing the body is made for. And u bet we use our energy in better ways too

The virya is the source of energy and intellect...

Wow! I dont need a brain! I can just go to a sperm bank and take a cuppa from there??:

See swami ramdev on astha tv, do you deny people getting cured of asthma, parkinson, cancer ..... Well he has the medical reports of lakhs of lakhs people...... The "Western scientific way" of proving right.....

dude! We are not proving yoga wrong. I do yoga and so does everyone in my family. I use Swami Ramdev's medicines. Yoga is something universal and it doesnt have anything to do with premarital sex

Only animals have sex with as many many people it like to... Shouldn't we rise above animals atleast....

Animals with people. Naa, jokes apart as someone said already humans dont have sex ONLY to reproduce but animals do!

Virginity was kept to maintain the social fabric and morality of the society. Virginity was there so that both boys and girls can concentrate on better things.

Now I dont understand what you are referring to here but you mean to say if I lose my virginity I wont be able to achieve anything in life? Grow up man!

@all : Hold on to those chairs theres lottsa falling off to come

M waiting!!

Neil, UTG, Lucifer, Great, Rustam, PP, Rajat, Gaurav


PS- These views are entirely my own! And please refrain users from posting comments on personal blogs.

hey people..lets stick to the topic....it has just asked for your personal opinion....so please don't try moralising or criticising the views of others...just state your preference and get out...i suggest a poll should be conducted..

sreesree Says

do not be drunk while you writing on posts I use to visit India every 6 months ok.

i know Rohit warned us, but i just couldn't resist this one. contrary to what is shown on the silver screen, people do not lose their virginity under the influence of alcohol or in a drunken stupor. nor are people who don't care about the existence of a piece of tissue perpetually under a drunken stupor.

coming to myself, i have been born and brought up in Mumbai, so i am what you would call a "metro/big city girl". besides i am doing my MBA. in my life i have come across loads of opportunities in which to lose my virginity but i didn't because i chose not to. but i feel no shame in being a virgin or feel i am uncool. i also have no problems with anyone in my family or friends circle losing their virginity because that is their choice. it also makes no difference to me if my mom/dad/bro/sis/best friend indulged in pre-marital sex because that again was their personal choice and as adults they exercised their right to choose. Copulation is an extremely pleasurable activity and if handled maturely and with adequate protection it can turn into a very enjoyable experience for both parties involved. so if anyone around me chooses to do so i will never object unless i think they are bowing to peer pressure or they are being immature about it. i am in a relationship with a guy (a very serious relationship mind you, i am committed to him) who is not a virgin and i have no issues with that. because the way i see it his earlier relationship broke up and now he is with me and he loves me completely. so his past doesn't matter to me, its our present and future that do.

coming to another topic, someone mentioned the scandal regarding Bill Clinton. it became a scandal not because of the virgin/non-virgin issue but because in every society, be it Indian or Western infidelity is looked down upon and loyalty is valued. so as long as people are loyal to each other and practise safe sex i don't see why it should make a difference if someone is a virgin or not.

PP

Guilt is when you feel ur wrong, and anger is when u feel others are wrong.
But if u see wrong as wrong.. then its a question of RIGHT and
WRONG knowledge.

Here the question is pre-marital sex.. if we really have to deal this on a
rational mind set... it ammounts to WRONG KNOWLEDGE.
How...? now lets not go by vedas or osho.. as such vedas - we dont have
complete vedas with us.. osho is a different issue.. in the field of
EFFORTLESS living... osho for me just experimented with MIND (not just
his mind.. everybody elses.. he oversmarted FREUD in many aspects.. and
the shield was unfortunately buddhas thoughts)., am sorry to say this..
i do agree with lots of osho analysis.. but my thinking goes beyond mere
analysis. we are one soul..and many hands and legs
and limbs. not using spirituality for DEFENCE.

Eitherway, science and spirituality goes hand in hand.. thence.. lets
think science... according to science.. the pre-marital sex creates
psychological flux... this creates tendencies of a nature that boosts
ones ego.. and u know what ego can do for one... it builds an illusory
halo around us.. BTW these tendencies become Impressions... already corrupt
genes thence forth takes the traces to your offspring. Its can also be
called KARMA OVERFLOWS..which degenerates generations... which u can see
in the society as such.

Thence, pre-marital sex with an experimental attitude could be dangerous..
if not in short run..surely in long run.

How to over come this?... deepen ur roots.. and broaden
ur vision... so what i do to deepen my roots!!!... is be with my self..
the unchanged aspect (call it soul or self) in me that observes the mind
and its games... and have a good laf. How do i broaden my vision.. simple..
go in accordance with gurus words.. and use them as WINDOWS.
Meanwhile Vedas, as per my limited ken on the subject.. does'nt actually
restrict the issue.. but it carefully says.. control ur senses.. they are
mad horses otherwise. Also.. vedas and vedantas are to be dealt seperately..
vedas and vedanta are not same..vedanta is more the essence of sum total
of all vedas. Also as prior said.. most of the vedic texts are lost..
vedanta can be more in tandem with metaphysics...lot of re-research has to
be done on these issues..

thank god the western universities have taken over this aspect as we fight
for reservation and other mundane things which has always bogged our so
called great dharma.

Lets take the example of Adi Shankaracharya.. he was challenged in the court
of a king... the king says.. c'mon ur not experienced at all to talk about
samsaric occurances.. and shankara proves the king is wrong and talks about
it in a length that kings wife approves of!!!.. this u find out which story.
clue: this is after adi shankara composes SAUNDARYALAHARI after he visits
MADURAI MEENAKSHI TEMPLE and changes the aspects of divine mother worship
very challengingly yet lovingly..we cant be loose talking right?

BTW, again if u get carried away by the Pre-marital excersises.. then sure
it will hamper spiritual progress.. as these are at present day
circumstances mere aspects of tendencies and impressions.. vasanas and
samskaras.. which collaborate to form a vrutti.. the thought wave. So u
might get carried away..and if u say.. ur totally under control.. then
u might as well not get into pre-marital affair!!!.. freedom is seldom
doing whatever we wish or feel like doing.. its otherway round. (anyway
this is my personal opinion). Infact when u dont do what u desperately
feel like doing.. then ur on the path of liberation.. so says KAULA
UPANISHAD. This is not thru controlling (as osho debunks or even jk
scoffs off at)... its thru understanding that ur an individual.. who
can expand beyond individuality... so this is no controllance.. but
harnessing.

RESPONSIBILITY brings POWER.. but
dont forget.. power can corrupt u also...

if U say, its troubling you.. why shud it trouble u?.. who are we?.
in yogasara upanishad explains this very nicely...
ponder over 'to whom does this thought arise'...
Ramana Maharishi who first brought this vedic pronounciation..
who am i?... as one of the great wise men.. we are supposed to ask..
who are you to the person sitting opposite to us.. and ultimately
that person answers.. WHAT WE ARE..not who we are!!!.. ultimately
the answers get exhausted.. and silence comes... this shud be
understood and then expanded to... "to whom does this thought
arise"... ultimately u will find that its all sense stimulus.
Thus ur will become trouble free..so called liberation. Let ur
unchanged self takeover.

if U say.. multiple relationships are so common... common for whom?
whats relationship? are u calling something mechanical spiritual?
does ur pre-marital thoughts have an aspect of love or lust?
love without faith is not possible., thence forth
explore. Answer is with in u.

If we really see.. multiple relationships have been there since
time immemorial.. so are wise humans... and sambhavami yuge yuge..
they will keep coming time after time... that means.. inspite of
they coming time and again... the totality of human intelligence
still in question..is'nt it?... and for this.. by washing our karmas
on to the great wisehumans is no answer. This is my conclusion about
this thread. bye all.

i edited my post coz i have had enough...i am not holding a grude irrespective of whats happened...so kindly edit that in the quote of ur reply
cya all,
neil

Hello Fellas,

I do not have to write any thing in disguise or anonymous please review your statements, If I have to say somethin I will defintiely say here. I never want to be in disguise, in your website or blog clean your brains first.

See somebody here starting saying gulti which I am not one, I am from India. that is it fullstop. Northie southie should go off. that is true.

Any way as lot of postings here says, be matured and not to become kids again true, this is an elite group for all of us the MBA aspirants and Managment experts so be polite.

Real education gives humbleness to accept other's opinions or veiw points. arrogance is the sign of ignorance.


Sorry If I hurt anybody's feeling.

Enjoy the dicussion instead of personal attacks.

as much as i would love to i wouldnt wanna ask sree sree that cause i dont want such an immature kid to even reply to my post ...SREE u r a u know what and posting an anonymous comment on my blog referring to my post on pagalguy and abusing me would not help u in your cause anyways.
http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18966174&postID;=115066541212246612
..oh ya by being anonymous if u think u can just walk away abusing you are wrong...and the reason is u seem to have forgotten there is a stat counter on my website whiche gives me the persons IP location country and time of visit ...so if u have the guts next time post ur name there too.. and ya if people might not have ended up losing their virginity u might not have been born i wish that was sooo true...stay where u are and keep sha***** all your life.
rock on ,
neil

rajatc Says

Could you please ask it again? We'll help him in justifying his thoughts...

as much as i would love to i wouldnt wanna ask sree sree that cause i dont want such an immature kid to even reply to my post ...SREE u r a u know what and posting an anonymous comment on my blog referring to my post on pagalguy and abusing me would not help u in your cause anyways.
http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=18966174&postID;=115066541212246612
..oh ya by being anonymous if u think u can just walk away abusing you are wrong...and the reason is u seem to have forgotten there is a stat counter on my website whiche gives me the persons IP location country and time of visit ...so if u have the guts next time post ur name there too.. "edited " whats the point he would never learn in his entire life anyway..no point holding a grudge against a kid
rock on ,
neil

indronildey Says

i am still waiting for my answer to my previous question asked to you

Could you please ask it again? We'll help him in justifying his thoughts...