Given a chance will you leave your current jobs/ambitions to get into active politics /civil services...

The state of Indian Youth:
Street Children Crisis...:oops:
Read This:

Street Children Crisis, Jaipur, India - Helping to improve the lives of street children. India's economic boom?

Hope you all walk out of your homes to help such sweet children..

@pagalguy :- Mean no offense but that stuff u have written is copy/paste from Athletics in India: An Underrated Field. though one can agree with what is posted on sites/blogs but still it would be more fruitful atleast in contest of this thread that one would post what he/she actually feels in his/her own words. By this posted comments shows more essense to our own actual feelings which i believe is main objective of this thread.

Anyway its good if one can just post http link of page , if its worth reading. I too have read the above link a month ago & liked it very much.

I am really sorry for not enclosing the link.Genuinely speaking, I forgot to do so.Actually I read this some days ago and bookmarked it.After looking at this question, I thought to share it here.
Anyways thanks for pointing out this mistake.

Cheers,

@pagalguy :- Mean no offense but that stuff u have written is copy/paste from Athletics in India: An Underrated Field. though one can agree with what is posted on sites/blogs but still it would be more fruitful atleast in contest of this thread that one would post what he/she actually feels in his/her own words. By this posted comments shows more essense to our own actual feelings which i believe is main objective of this thread.

Anyway its good if one can just post http link of page , if its worth reading. I too have read the above link a month ago & liked it very much.

puri.pallavi Says

Which is the One field which you feel is highly under-rated in India.....

Athletics in India is the field least attended to. There are so many people in our country who are naturally good at some or the other athletic game but are not encouraged. India has seen several runners, weightlifters, swimmers and very recently, even boxers, who have won accolades abroad, but unfortunately remain unsung in their own homeland. It is not sufficient that they be awarded for their achievements but, it is important that many more who look up to these men and women as their ideals, be provided with apt facilities to hone their skills. That, I believe , would be a real tribute. It is unfortunate that the government is not taking up this issue seriously. Recently when Vijendra Kumar won a bronze medal in the Beijing Olympics 2008 for boxing, he said, in an interview, that they used to practice in a village akhada and were not provided any sort of facilities by the state. Another piece of news said that a girl from a certain village started practicing shooting more vigorously after she saw Abhinav Bindra win a gold medal in the same Olympics of 2008. Yet again the state failed to provide any sort of help to the girl. Such is the sorry state of athletics in our country.
Lack of proper infrastructural facilities and funding is leading to the decay of athletics in India. People who wish to become athletes are discouraged due to a lack of future in this field. As a result the country misses out on several talented athletes. Perhaps, if the government could put in a little more effort and interest in improving this field, we may find global icons in our country itself. Now, with the Commonwealth Games approaching, this is the apt time to put more emphasis on this issue. Instead of investing into funds for improving the state infrastructure if a little was put into improving the athletics' infrastructure, we may win some medals as well, apart from appreciation for beautifying the city. For, one thing that we can be sure of is that-India's sure got talent.

Source:- http://theviewspaper.net/athletics-in-india-an-underrated-field/

puri.pallavi Says

Which is the One field which you feel is highly under-rated in India.....

I have some kinda doubts about my understanding of this question.. still try my best to be in sync with the actual meaning..

What we under rate?? Means what is that we dont appreciate/acknowledge much inspite of it being there well above the desired or prescribed level...

I feel its our democratic system and some of our institutions... we dont appreciate much the democratic procedures that are there in our system.. We have got one of the best democratic systems of the world.. Its second to none. Sometimes i cant stop but admire how in a short span of time we have swiftly made progress in various areas..
Its not perfect , not even close to it.. But we are working hard to reach that level. And this effort of ours should not cease because of the failures we experience , nor should it halt because some of our collegues in this system have motives which are not suited to masses.
We should learn from our experiences and others too.. But not try to emulate some other systems or compare /criticise ours..infact it should be continious self evaluation and upgradation process based on our needs..


The biggest threat in future will not be caused by outsiders but by our internal growing indifferences.. And there is only one way to culminate this threat , to make everyone part of this system and make them belive that its not only for, but because of each one of us..AND it should be visible ..I am a firm beliver of our system..and i have full faith that together we will flourish...

Yes I too strongly believe that Entrepreneurship should be promoted in INDIA.It is said that among all the developed nations of the world there is one thing common that atleast one generation of that country focused on Entrepreneurship. There are many of us who have a dream and innovative ideas to setup an enterprise.But we have a fear of losing the game.
Actually I would blame the upbringing of the society for it.We work hard from 1st standard till our UG/PG leave no stone unturned to get admission among the best colleges of the country but at the end of the day would opt for a well paying job + some satisfaction which would satisfy our family.Most of the families force their lads to opt for Gov jobs to secure the future.I mean all of us want future to be secure but is this the way we should be moving ahead ?

Hello everyone here.. Happy to join this thread..

The thread is rightly named INDIAN YOUTH - The Future of India. 54% of the Indian population is below 25 years(Source:India Today) - A fact other countries should fear about us.

It is rightly said be the change you want to see and the world will change for you! Now seeing India as a developed Nation is a dream in the eyes of us. I'm sure we'll realize our dream one day.

We are definitely moving towards the upper end. Indian firms have bought 866 firms from US and UK in the past decade. An evidence enough to confirm the fears of the Developed Nations.

I Strongly feel:

1. Brave Indian Youth stepping in to Politics
   
2. Young Indian Entreprenuers
   
3. Great Indian Scientist unwilling to cross borders
   

Are the key points that will keep us on the top of the world. I'm ready for the first two points. (Am not a scientist so i can't help with the third)

taking exception of last olympic, normally on this event world media patronize India by sarcastic remarks like "none in billion" . I think athletics is one of most underrated field. There are so many people in this country who are naturally good at some or the other athletic game but are not encouraged.
When Vijendra Kumar won a bronze medal in the Beijing Olympics 2008 for boxing, he said, in an interview, that they used to practice in a village akhada and were not provided any sort of facilities by the state. This clearly shows that its not india dont have talent , it is more like that india dont nourish talent.

puri.pallavi Says

Which is the One field which you feel is highly under-rated in India.....

My take on tourism sector...I think more efforts should be put to look over the sector......

Which is the One field which you feel is highly under-rated in India.....

plz answer one question......who is better...
1. a person who sacrifices his studies and teaches 10-20 slum kids and thus not able to do justice to both the jobs.
2. a person who doesnt teaches anyone but works day and night so that wen he clears IAS he can revamp the education system of the country...

plz answer..

My frnd I would like to share that I have cross questioned about above mentioned topic to myself manytimes but what I will say is that we turn to take initiatives nd participations in these activities only if we had already made up our mind to do it.If I attended Teach India, registred for it wen I was on a trip to Uttrakhand and my frnd called me "Akshat, u hav a noppurnity ...I immediately said dont think twice register me for it". I did it was only bcoz I had it somewhere in my mind that I want something to do like this for society.I think it really comes from your heart.Forget about it as a career or adding it to your resume.
How many of us dont waste water ?
How many of us avoid using polybags, even after knowing its effects?
How many of us prefer using public to private transport?(i know it is always possible)
How many of us do throw waste in dustbin only, after having picnic bash in public parks?
the list goes on n on yaar...
Do we really need to join n NGO for it?
There r many steps being taken like I see banners about "To switch off the ignition on red lights to save 20% fuel". Do we need anyone to tell it to us that they r pointing to us only or do we need to achieve our goals(which will never end)first nd then follow it?

So I think If we say youth has potential then we need to prove it.The steps r to be taken from very basic level.And yes we need to make aware of these basic steps to our younger brothers and sisters.

Sorry if i am over emotional !
Suggestions welcomed.

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HAVE YOU JOINED ANY NGO, tell us what is it helping people or environment in and what are your contributions till now?

I work in Amdocs , though company deals with many social projects but I am very much connected with its ALAMB one. We are going a step by step approach for this. some of key steps taken are :-
1. First, as earlier there were issues like lack of proper education , teachers , books , student drop out rate etc. For this we convert there one big hall to a integrated class room , with good teachers , students with books etc, and a miny library.
2.To verify everything goes properly we used take tests on surprise tests of students and 2-4 times of teachers also. this particular activity always comprises me.
3. we also conduct such programes that desire to get educated arises with in student itself.
4. since there are grown ups also , we try to provide them some vocational trainings through private-public venture.
5. Setting up of a small computer lab is in process through donation of some old computers by various people.

On teaching class 10 biology ,I find out that their basic concepts are not clear and many of them haven't got proper education in their junior classes much because of irregular & improper teaching environment they have been. Because of these they either try to mug up or try to escape from studies because of lack of basic fundamentals.This I believe is main reason for these students to not have a keen interest in studies . So nowadays we are much focusing on this issue.

Before ALAMB, earlier also I used to help less fortunate kids but that mostly remains in terms of monetory or infrastruture help. But here after really engaging in this, i figure out there are much more bigger & complex issues than just funding issues.

Well I would like to comment something on this topic..

First thing first "YES" I am currently volunteering wid an NGO .
My motives behind joining an NGO were three:
1) TO add in resume.
2) Since my school days I was intrested in social activities.
3) I want to start a NGO one day so I want to get an idea of how actually NGO runs?

Now I want to share wid you something...
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So I learnt that it is not that easy to think of solutions to such kinda problems.If we are really serious for helping India then we have to delve in the problem, its cause, its surrounding.Boz what i have experienced many a times we suggest such solutions to a problem which have completely no link wid it just bcoz we have not actually felt it.
AND yes last but not the least I have observed some ground realities of the NGOs so called Non Profit Organization running in our country...

Please do correct me if I am wrong somewhere,all feedbacks welcomed....
And also your suggestions on this issue

Pal,
first of all kudos to u. U wanted to do something and u took the gud initiative, it's simply wonderful. I went thru ur post and want to add some points to it and will also try to explain some dilemmas u have faced in this journey.

1. U want to do something, dont expect any help and support from anyone!! if u get some support, it will b gud, but u shudnt expect it... (m saying this in relation to the NGOs)

2. Yes, many NGOs r indulged in profit making and want to milk the government in the name of social service...i want to tell u a short incident..
last year my uncle visited me and he told me abt the NGO he has recently started. and his statement was something like this "yaar, mujhe to iss line k baare me to pata hi nahi tha, varna me to kabse isme paisa laga deta....itna profit to aajkal koi company nahi deti hai jitna ki ek NGO se aadmi kama sakta hai"
well it sounds pathetic, but its true...

3. U want to do social service, its very gud....i appreciate it a lot...
but dude i will give u one piece of advice....take urself to such level that u dont require anybodys help to fulfill ur dreams...
then only ur dreams will not b compromised and u will get that satisfaction for which u r luking for....!!!

so pal thanks a lot for posting ur experience here and i really felt inspired after reading ur post...!!
so go ahead and break a leg..

P.S.-also check the 11th post of this thread...!!!

The Copenhagen Conference:1,200 limousines 140 private jets 15,000 delegates 10,000 environmental activists and lobbyists Over 100 world leaders 5,000 journalists 41,000 tonnes' Carbon dioxide equivalent' that will be produced during the 11-day conference.
Why then they are doing the conference in the first place? A trivia in itself.

HAVE YOU JOINED ANY NGO, tell us what is it helping people or environment in and what are your contributions till now?

Well I would like to comment something on this topic..

First thing first "YES" I am currently volunteering wid an NGO .
My motives behind joining an NGO were three:
1) TO add in resume.
2) Since my school days I was intrested in social activities.
3) I want to start a NGO one day so I want to get an idea of how actually NGO runs?

Now I want to share wid you something...
I belong to a small district in UP and I did my schooling from a missionary college St. Don Bosco Senior Secondary School. In my school there were evening classes arranged for poor students I mean belonging to slum areas of adjoining area.Some of the students were even working to earn a meagre income of help there families and in evening attend school.The Fee mere just 60 Rs/- a month and facilities ranging from school dress ,books, excellent school campus which includes placeground canteen n all.And yes my residence was near my school only.So the consequence of this initiative of my school was that if I am not wrong I cant figureout a single child from those families who was not going to school.As my school was one of the best in my city, so the children had a great enthu in them to study in this school and njoy all that facilities which they were not nnjoying outside due to there financial conditions.Also there parents were very happy by this initiative of the school.
And the best part of this was that I participated in an activity organized for week by my school to volunteer some some students from there regular school to teach in evening classes.

Now my this experience always drived me crazy to think on social issues and take part wen ever i got a chance.
So after my graduation I joined an NGO through TeachIndia.This NGO too works on educating children from slum areas,although the facilities are not similar to my school but yes they are provided some.When I went for Teach India I was astonished to see the crowd turned and was wondering how will they accumulate this no. But they told that initially many participate but slowly all quit do many reasons (I dnt want to discuss)

So from my experience of these activities i would like to highlight some of the key issues (according to me):
1) Those students were facing problem of discontinuity in there studies.Like many were those who have resumed studies after 2yrs, 3yrs and sometimes more.
2) The class comprises of students of varying ages .I mean in general schools the age of class is almost same ,but there the case is diffrent.So there is difficulty in handling the class.
3) In these schools the board affiliated is generally NOS. And due to insufficient funds the students are facing problem of books and other study material.
I was shocked wen the teachers in school dont me that they dont have books alloted to them and they are taught generally by teachers and students take notes.(I mean how can maths be solved widout books?How can they believe that studnts are taking notes and they will record it for future?Even 1oth grade students were not alloted books and they were wating for books to be alloted in september.Will you believe I taught 9th grade students, how to take LCM,HCF,add two fractions,profit loss?


So I learnt that it is not that easy to think of solutions to such kinda problems.If we are really serious for helping India then we have to delve in the problem, its cause, its surrounding.Boz what i have experienced many a times we suggest such solutions to a problem which have completely no link wid it just bcoz we have not actually felt it.
AND yes last but not the least I have observed some ground realities of the NGOs so called Non Profit Organization running in our country...

Please do correct me if I am wrong somewhere,all feedbacks welcomed....
And also your suggestions on this issue

What do you think should done to revamp our education system (To educate the masses esp in the rural India)?


our government implemented a scheme called "MID DAY MEAL '
principle of scheme was "parents ll send their offsprings to school as ll get one time cooked meal there "
i appriciate that but implementation was not proper and not monitered.as children going school with sole purpose of taking the meal not the knowledge.n so is about their guardians.
in my opinion there should be scholarships from the very beginning for students coming regular..
guadians should be made aware of benefits of education.n there should be various competitions in all activities within a distict for all primary schools..
but again implementation should be proper n regularly monitered..

gr8 to see this thread...was searching this type of stuff on PG since long...

What do you think should done to revamp our education system (To educate the masses esp in the rural India)?

On the education front, we need to take some lessons from Cuba. in spite of all the resistance they faced from the US, they have kept their education system on track and its one among the best education systems in the world.
just for info. sake i will like to tell everyone that in Cuba education is free for everyone from Playschool to PhD. and also quoting the figures of 2004 survey, it had 100% literacy for both genders.
i will not suggest such a drastic change in education policy but still the government needs to make education free and compulsory for everyone at least till 10th.This will help in making some well needed changes in the society.
i know this kind of move will have some -ve effects on the financial deficit of the country but in the long term it will b worth and we can earn in future more than we need to spend now..!!!

Hail India!!!!

As we all know that, education is the backbone of a country's progress.

I want to ask the puys

What do you think should done to revamp our education system (To educate the masses esp in the rural India)?

Putting up each one teach one as an incentive, attract people by attaching a tax benefit clause

As we all know that, education is the backbone of a country's progress.

I want to ask the puys

What do you think should done to revamp our education system (To educate the masses esp in the rural India)?

India is a continent in one Country

You could be sitting at a beach shack in Goa one day, then in a swish rooftop bar in Delhi the next. The following day you could find yourself on a camel trek in Jaiselmer sleeping under the stars, traveling a little further North you could be skiing in Kashmir.

Beach-Bright lights-Desert-Snow
Where else can you do that? That is what I like most about India.


I hate chalta hai attitude by many Indians.

wats de one thing that u really love abt our country and one thing u want to change abt it?????

1 thing I really love.....
thats our uniqueness.....our country is amalgamation of so many religions and still we manage everything notwithstanding the politics of religion played by many major politicians....
our country has so many different dimensions that u can never understand it while thinking of just one perspective. we people dont have to go to other countries to see change..but we just have to have a 100 km ride on our bike/car and we will find ourselves in an entirely new place....
diff. language, diff. people and still we all r bound by one word I N D I A
our very diverse culture can be succinctly expressed in one line
" kos-kos par pani badale, char kos par bani"

1 thing i wanna see change....

in the future i want to see our education sector revamped...we will b a diff. country wen we will put each kid in the country in school. so that i really want to see..
i hope we will have more intellects like Mr.Shashi Tharoor in politics and will see the youth shaping their own future.....!!!
hail youth!!!!

here is one question to get to know the thoughts of our peer group....

wats de one thing that u really love abt our country and one thing u want to change abt it?????

i hope we will see some honest answers....!!!

The rich culture, unity in diversity and immense knowledge that is available within our culture really appeal to me. India should be proud of talent that we have in our country. Immense potential!
But I do have certain issues. I do have issues with our Democracy. I often wonder whether we deserve to be a part of the World's Largest Democracy. Most of the people don't understand the true nature of democracy. What they understand is freedom of speech, expression, media without even considering the responsibilities that come with it. I think the basic problem is that we people are not responsible enough.
I do have issues with Law/ Rule enforcing agencies. To say they all are corrupt won't be right judgement. They need to understand their relevance in today's context rather than 20-30 years back.
And I do have some problems with caste / vote politics.

here is one question to get to know the thoughts of our peer group....

wats de one thing that u really love abt our country and one thing u want to change abt it?????

i hope we will see some honest answers....!!!

The one thing I love about India is UNITY IN DIVERSITY and I would like to change, I mean finish corruption in our country

here is one question to get to know the thoughts of our peer group....

wats de one thing that u really love abt our country and one thing u want to change abt it?????

i hope we will see some honest answers....!!!

the post below was posted by me .....

er.shaan887 Says

i m not in favour of delaying justice but today we have kasab and we know that he is a culprit so we can hang him or punish him....but dont we know that the politician and the gentry of india indulge in devious tactics in order to save their own soul...wat if tomorrow an innocent youth is framed and then the same fate as kasab is bestowed on him..??

kya baat hai.......u will get my answer very soon i think...!!!
just wait

depyou Says

i m not in favour of delaying justice but today we have kasab and we know that he is a culprit so we can hang him or punish him....but dont we know that the politician and the gentry of india indulge in devious tactics in order to save their own soul...wat if tomorrow an innocent youth is framed and then the same fate as kasab is bestowed on him..??

Do you think it was and is right to keep Ajmal Kasab alive and not punishing him by hanging him to death?

Heard our Home Minister P Chidambram's interview on 26/11. He made a very valid point. It is only because of Kasab's presence and his confession in our Poilce custody, that Pakistan has begun to take some action against the culprits. It would have been very easy to deny any claims for the Pakistan government there, had Kasab been dead. He serves a vital link for all the information. We might need his confessions against all culprits.

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World AIDS Day provides an opportunity for all of us - individuals, communities and political leaders - to take action and ensure that human rights are protected and global targets for HIV/AIDS prevention, treatment and care are met.

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I believe we even dont need to argue over deeds of persons like Thackerays. They are nothing but a typical politicians . They have even not spare Amithabh & Sachin. Officers guarding Maharashtra from every possible terrorist attacks are from every part of India. they havnt turn their back from fighting terrorist stating its a local mumbai matter. If MNS/Shivsena are really worried about Maharashtra then they should go to areas like vidharba and prevent farmers from commiting suicide because of acute proverty & debt.

These kind of attack arises because of economic imbalances between regions which are exploited by politicians. Infact these attacks are nothing different from attacks on Indians in Australia , Dubai etc. So whenever there is migration of people from low to high economic activity areas, there always arises resentment among locals of high economic areas because of more competition from migrated labour.
I think more we have polorisation of wealth , more such problems bound to occur.

One of my "Mumbai" friends once stated "Please let us love our Mumbai" on witnessing how states image is being maligned by creating unnecessary troubles & tension causing destruction to public property or death of innocent people.

dude dont take me negatively but i think u have touched a very elusive issue and not many puys will b able to opine on it....

i m not stopping anybody from giving their opinion but i wanna suggest a issue on wich i wud like the youth to give their opinion....

can the attack on south/north indians in maharashtra be justified by any rationale???

Raj Thackeray made critical remarks, themed around language and regionalism, about migrants from the North Indian states of Uttar Pradesh and Bihar, accusing them of spoiling Maharashtrian culture and not mingling with them.
"Spoiling Maharashtrian culture".. hehehe, doesn't it sound childish... of course, it does:
Can a culture be spoiled by a north Indian by speaking his own language?
And Is it so easy to spoil a culture?
This incident can not be justified because it was totally wrong to behave like this.
And i would discount Raj Thackeray's criticism against North Indians as mere "stupidity".
Uttar Pradesh and Maharashtra are different states of the same country.
If we are not allowed to reside and show our skills and get a job in our own country but in other state, how far is it valid.

Raj Thackeray, should answer the question- Whether only Mararathis live there... and is Mumbai prospering only because of the Marathis.
Are all Bollywood actors Marathi? Are all business men/women there Marathi?
He is such a big insane man that he accused (questioning the loyalty) the Bollywood legend, Amitabh Bachchan for showing "more interest" in his native Uttar Pradesh.
Should a person forget its native place if he goes somewhere else and gets famous.

This is really inane that Mr. Raj Thackeray has got no logical reasons for his behaviour,
Instead because of his act... India has lost a lot..

Nearly 25,000 North Indian workers fled Pune, and another 15,000 fled Nashik in the wake of the attacks. The exodus of workers caused an acute labour shortage, affecting local industries. Analysts estimated financial losses of Rs.500 crore (US$ 103 million) Rs. 700 crore (US$ 144 million). Although the violence receded after the arrests of the two leaders, sporadic attacks were reported until May 2008. After months of lull, on 19 october 2008, MNS activists beat up North Indian candidates appearing for the all-India Railway Recruitment Board entrance exam in Mumbai. Later on October 28 2008 a labourer from Uttar Pradesh was lynched in a Mumbai commuter train.

Thanks

I opened this thread expecting public views on Kasab rather I found total knock-jhonk on what to discuss. Somewhere in this thread I read a moderator vouching for multiple question simultaneously on this thread. In the current page itself (page 3) I have already found as many Question as posts. This is totally messed up. So clearly is not a way to discuss. Its simply so confusing to handle too many topics simultaneously.

@Mods/Thread Owner/Puys, either discuss one topic for certain time frame or open seperate threads for seperate topics.Till now like most of govt policies this thread is going no where.

My take-- Take time frame of 1 week say Sun to Sat & then discuss main headliness of those weeks related to issues faced by India. At the end of every week say here Saturday Mods or Thread Owner would post conclusion/summary of the discussion done on those issues. For ex : one of Question posted in this thread is "What do puys think must be done to increase our literacy rate in the rural areas??" For this Question at the end of week one can list down all possible & practical ways which we/govt should do inc literacy rates.

gud 1 buddy...1 vote for aksbond4u...

bt in addition to dat wan to add 1 more point...lets not point fingers on any 1's opinion..in case we want to not atleast on d sentiments..lets not get into an ugly war(really sory for my previous post)

aftr all evry 1 is diffrnt and so are his/her thoughts...lets respect the comments and views of others and try to come up with some practical solutions (every week) to watevr problems we discuss which we can actually apply and who knws we might bring in the change we want to...

I opened this thread expecting public views on Kasab rather I found total knock-jhonk on what to discuss. Somewhere in this thread I read a moderator vouching for multiple question simultaneously on this thread. In the current page itself (page 3) I have already found as many Question as posts. This is totally messed up. So clearly is not a way to discuss. Its simply so confusing to handle too many topics simultaneously.

@Mods/Thread Owner/Puys, either discuss one topic for certain time frame or open seperate threads for seperate topics.Till now like most of govt policies this thread is going no where.

My take-- Take time frame of 1 week say Sun to Sat & then discuss main headliness of those weeks related to issues faced by India. At the end of every week say here Saturday Mods or Thread Owner would post conclusion/summary of the discussion done on those issues. For ex : one of Question posted in this thread is "What do puys think must be done to increase our literacy rate in the rural areas??" For this Question at the end of week one can list down all possible & practical ways which we/govt should do inc literacy rates.

dude dont take me negatively but i think u have touched a very elusive issue and not many puys will b able to opine on it....

i m not stopping anybody from giving their opinion but i wanna suggest a issue on wich i wud like the youth to give their opinion....

can the attack on south/north indians in maharashtra be justified by any rationale???

Well, I think the attack on the north Indians in Maharashtra is absolutely unjustified.

Cos if we see it from political point of view, our constitution says that India is an undivided country and gives the right to all Indians to live anywhere within the country without any constraints
Political parties are all doing these to just attract media and be in the news because they know they stand nowhere.. So they are trying ill methods to get the popularity and want to pounce on Marathi votes

Just a simple question to them

Is Mumbai a developed city only cos of Marathis??

The question need not be answered because we all know that there are many entrepreneurs in teh financial capital from outside maharshtra

What should be done to stop such attacks??

Law and order should be very strong.. Guilty must be punished strongly cos they have no right to mess with the public property

Media should act responsiibly and stop giving them undue importance

Pls add suggestions to stop these barbaric acts or if u think it is justified, pls support ur argument.

Thanks

Friends this thread has been started in such a good spirit and what are doing here.. Fighting over issues to discuss.. We blame politicians for every delay they make but see ourselves.. The youth of this country take so much time to decide what to discuss..

I suggest lets get over this trivial fights and discuss whatever we want too.. NGOs, Political and Economic issues etc.

I want to pose a question, What do puys think must be done to increase our literacy rate in the rural areas??

dude dont take me negatively but i think u have touched a very elusive issue and not many puys will b able to opine on it....

i m not stopping anybody from giving their opinion but i wanna suggest a issue on wich i wud like the youth to give their opinion....

can the attack on south/north indians in maharashtra be justified by any rationale???

Friends this thread has been started in such a good spirit and what are doing here.. Fighting over issues to discuss.. We blame politicians for every delay they make but see ourselves.. The youth of this country take so much time to decide what to discuss..

I suggest lets get over this trivial fights and discuss whatever we want too.. NGOs, Political and Economic issues etc.

I want to pose a question?

What do puys think must be done to increase our literacy rate in the rural areas??

aashishsuneja23 Says

i HAVE SO MUCH TO SAY, but dont feel like letting it out..yeah i am doing a bit here and there ..but i dont want to speak about it ..sorry sappy..even for that ajmal kasav question i have many points to add ..but i dont feel like talking about it. If we really want to do something collectively , then i guess we should discuss those things and i am in for this thread.. otherwise, i dont think i will do any justice to this thread..

It is good that we could discuss what we could do...
But i didn't know anyone could be hurted, i never meant to.

@aniket, @pallavi, @ashish
I m sorry to all those whom i have hurted unknowingly...
The thread should be continued peacefully with the support of all.

U could help me because i m not a manager yet, n i need to learn such skills.

Interesting angle, But i never preach what i dont practice.
I dont wish to point fingers before i set things straight for myself. Yes it is absolutely correct when u say that you are collecting buliding blocks of your life. But you lose the point when u ask us to choose who is better.
I didnt ask u to give up whatever u were doing and help ppl.
This is something that comes even when we are hardly 4-5 yrs old when we learn to share the swing with someone.

I work for oracle, help 3 slums, help at PG, build my skills, enjoy a livid social life too...So, Am i losing on something? No...I am gaining much more than I thought.

We need to change this very perspective that u've up!
Hope I did strike a chord right!

@Sappy...Dont make it one question at a time thread, this thread can do much more than that!!!
I shall monitor it....

@All i feel Discussing Kasab is a very small incident, it all trickels down from international Terrorism.

Cheers,
Pallavi

no offenses PP... as i said before, some topics people have their own opinions and they want to keep it....also not everybody have the capacity and resources to touch the same level....

well i have been following u for a long time now... i deeply respect and even admire u, so just wanna tell u that i had no intentions of harming ur feelings....u r doing gud work and u shud keep goin...

regards,
shaan887

See Aniket, the thread is about the discussion of Everything Going on in our Country...
I have agreed to pp and all that would be discussed too...
The intro of this thread clearly says that there would be the discussion on every topic- be it attacks on our country, poverty, News and we will also take up the things you and pp are saying... but let one topic end.

And see as you said "Kasab's trial is not affecting anyone", for this I must tell you that the people who have lost their loved ones in the incident are affected and still concerned about what is the Govt. doing with the convict.
You may not be affected, sitting in Gujrat coolly but ask yourself if some "Kasab" enters your state, then would you discuss this... and wouldn't you be affected.
Will you not raise your voice against the security your country is providing you.

So think about your fellow countrymen, and their security.
Would poverty be of any relevance if the people die of bombs instead of hunger?
So shouldn't we be concerned about what govt. is doing with such devils who have the hand in ruining our country.

And i never said that we wont discuss those topics... The thread has just started, be calm.
There are yet many more things and acts which we will do.

hiiiiiiii sapna...thank you so much for ur kind words....bt please refer to my post 1ce again...i told dat topics like kasab's trial must be laid less stress upon on dis thread..kindly check it again..

i never told dat we shudnt discuss dem..its jus dat ur words wont affect the govrmnt , the terrorists nor e1 the brave families who sacrificed their son...
u tel me are ur words helping dose brave families in any way..
can ur words help INDIA to resist against any other terrorist attack ??.

n please dun tel me dat am least worried bout des topics..its nothing dat only after terrorist attacks takes place in gujarat den n den i will comment on terrorism...
that terrorist attack was not on mumbai but it was on INDIA and am a whole hearted INDIAN....
it does affects me in a lot of ways n dats y i went on 26th to pay my homage to the great martyrs(instead of attending my cousin's wedding)...

am really sory bt i believe more in action rather then on words..


and as aashishsuneja23 said...i seriously wanted a lottt to say bt nw i dun wan 2..it hurts wen some 1 points out fingers on ur patriotism....

No offense to any one...please forgive if u feel am offended..
lastly groans are always there..

well yes these question r relevant for sure...but one thing i want to state here...most of us here r of the age range 22-26. that is we r still collecting the building blocks of our lives....so wat i want to say is that we have limited resources and most importantly limited time...

so wat is equally important is to take ourself to such hight so that we r able to do something for our country and plz take note that i m talking abt sth of large scale....

pallavi u plz answer one question......who is better...
1. a person who sacrifices his studies and teaches 10-20 slum kids and thus not able to do justice to both the jobs.
2. a person who doesnt teaches anyone but works day and night so that wen he clears IAS he can revamp the education system of the country...

plz answer..

P.S.- the views expressed r solely mine and dont intend to hurt anyone but i do believe in one thing" u want to love someone, first learn to love urself..u want to teach somebody then first teach urself and if u want to change the system, first change urself."

Interesting angle, But i never preach what i dont practice.
I dont wish to point fingers before i set things straight for myself. Yes it is absolutely correct when u say that you are collecting buliding blocks of your life. But you lose the point when u ask us to choose who is better.
I didnt ask u to give up whatever u were doing and help ppl.
This is something that comes even when we are hardly 4-5 yrs old when we learn to share the swing with someone.

I work for oracle, help 3 slums, help at PG, build my skills, enjoy a livid social life too...So, Am i losing on something? No...I am gaining much more than I thought.

We need to change this very perspective that u've up!
Hope I did strike a chord right!

@Sappy...Dont make it one question at a time thread, this thread can do much more than that!!!
I shall monitor it....

@All i feel Discussing Kasab is a very small incident, it all trickels down from international Terrorism.

Cheers,
Pallavi

i think its right to keep kasab alive till now bcoz of following reasons......

1.we r a democratic country and thus everybody (even if he is a terrorist) have the right for a trial in court....by not givin him that we could have had other countries pointin fingers on the credibility of our judicial system.

2.kasab cud have died anyway but by catching him alive we have made pakistan admit "mea culpa"

in the end i wud like to quote the statement of MR. P. CHIDAMBARAM "i am proud that we did not hang kasab overnite widout a trial coz that shows the credibility of the worlds largest democracy"
P.S.- the views given above are solely my own and i do not intend to harm anybody elses feelings

Cogent and Reasonable Logic.......
This is how the youth of our country should be shaping up!!

To elaborate further - Even if Ajmal Kasab is given a death sentence by the court , He is still entitled to go to the President of India for the final hearing. Afzal Guru has not been hanged till now because he is 26th on the mercy petition ..... so in the best case scenario - Ajmal Kasab would be 27th.We all need to be patient. It is not that "An eye for an eye" thing is wrong , We'll have "An eye for an eye" but , via the procedure established by the law.

But - There are things which disturb me. When we can give a just and fair trial to as heinous a man as Ajmal Kasab , why cant we give it to people affected by the Gujarat Riots?? We have always been a +1 in International Relations and a -1 in Domestic Affairs. This is one aspect that should be looked into - But , for that we need a strong,non-partisan civil society which would comprise people like you and me.

PS: I love this thread. Sappy Great Work!!

i think we are here in support of "Unity in Diversity"....
So instead of refuting each other, we must have a consensus.
But as this topic has been a distant topic according to few of us, so i think i would better ask some other question.

HAVE YOU JOINED ANY NGO, tell us what is it helping people or environment in and what are your contributions till now?

i HAVE SO MUCH TO SAY, but dont feel like letting it out..yeah i am doing a bit here and there ..but i dont want to speak about it ..sorry sappy..even for that ajmal kasav question i have many points to add ..but i dont feel like talking about it. If we really want to do something collectively , then i guess we should discuss those things and i am in for this thread.. otherwise, i dont think i will do any justice to this thread..

i think we are here in support of "Unity in Diversity"....
So instead of refuting each other, we must have a consensus.
But as this topic has been a distant topic according to few of us, so i think i would better ask some other question.

HAVE YOU JOINED ANY NGO, tell us what is it helping people or environment in and what are your contributions till now?

See Aniket, the thread is about the discussion of Everything Going on in our Country...
I have agreed to pp and all that would be discussed too...
The intro of this thread clearly says that there would be the discussion on every topic- be it attacks on our country, poverty, News and we will also take up the things you and pp are saying... but let one topic end.

And see as you said "Kasab's trial is not affecting anyone", for this I must tell you that the people who have lost their loved ones in the incident are affected and still concerned about what is the Govt. doing with the convict.
You may not be affected, sitting in Gujrat coolly but ask yourself if some "Kasab" enters your state, then would you discuss this... and wouldn't you be affected.
Will you not raise your voice against the security your country is providing you.

So think about your fellow countrymen, and their security.
Would poverty be of any relevance if the people die of bombs instead of hunger?
So shouldn't we be concerned about what govt. is doing with such devils who have the hand in ruining our country.

And i never said that we wont discuss those topics... The thread has just started, be calm.
There are yet many more things and acts which we will do.

Hiiiii..those where some really applaudable words wich actu forced me to think..
Bt herein i wud differ wid some of ur thoughts bhai..frstly i agree wid pp..wat she is telin is not about creating a whole school and to get engage in teaching dose poor small kids leaving ur job.

its actu about lending some 2-3 hrs in a week and teachin them(hope am correct pp )..I myself have startd an NGO wid 3 of my frnds n we do the same evry week.n it doesnt costs me anything except 3 hrs...m not advertsing myself or applauding my act bt jus wan to elaborate the fact that our comments here on dis thread of PG on kasab's trial wont affect any 1.

Rather discussion on dese small acts (wich actu can bring change in true sense in our society) must be laid stress upon in dis thread rather den commenting on kasab's trial (wich ultimately wont result in anything)..coz there are many ques as suggested by pp wich are more imp to discuss..

groans are welcome..
i simply hav pointed my thoughts..

u made a valid point here...but i always give a person a benefit of doubt and not everyone is capable of doing something on the same scale...

i thought that the main motive of this thread is to discuss the pros and cons of the various events that happen in the country...i know that just by discussing we cant bring a change but i think there is an intellectual part of us wich gets enlightened only wen we see other people pondering over certain topics.......
we all may have different opinions but the vital part is objectivity and hence i want however less people read this thread and hence the posts,they shud think at least once that there r bigger things happening in the country on which we shud give some piece of thought....

i just wanted to point this and nothing else. i apologize if u were offended by my views

well yes these question r relevant for sure...but one thing i want to state here...most of us here r of the age range 22-26. that is we r still collecting the building blocks of our lives....so wat i want to say is that we have limited resources and most importantly limited time...

so wat is equally important is to take ourself to such hight so that we r able to do something for our country and plz take note that i m talking abt sth of large scale....

pallavi u plz answer one question......who is better...
1. a person who sacrifices his studies and teaches 10-20 slum kids and thus not able to do justice to both the jobs.
2. a person who doesnt teaches anyone but works day and night so that wen he clears IAS he can revamp the education system of the country...

plz answer..

P.S.- the views expressed r solely mine and dont intend to hurt anyone but i do believe in one thing" u want to love someone, first learn to love urself..u want to teach somebody then first teach urself and if u want to change the system, first change urself."

Hiiiii..those where some really applaudable words wich actu forced me to think..
Bt herein i wud differ wid some of ur thoughts bhai..frstly i agree wid pp..wat she is telin is not about creating a whole school and to get engage in teaching dose poor small kids leaving ur job.

its actu about lending some 2-3 hrs in a week and teachin them(hope am correct pp )..I myself have startd an NGO wid 3 of my frnds n we do the same evry week.n it doesnt costs me anything except 3 hrs...m not advertsing myself or applauding my act bt jus wan to elaborate the fact that our comments here on dis thread of PG on kasab's trial wont affect any 1.

Discussion on dese small small acts (wich actu can bring change in true sense in our society) must be laid stress upon in dis thread rather den commenting on kasab's trial (wich ultimately wont result in anything)..coz there are many ques as suggested by pp wich are much more imp to discuss..

groans are welcome..
i simply hav pointed my thoughts..

I agree with you, The Security is still not upto mark (even after such incidents)...
The Government is still dependent on the fishermen for the information of sea route attackers.
Our government is waiting for occurrence of more of such incidents i think, then they would come in action.
I really pity on the situation of Indian Government, that these politicians have great vigour to talk and refute the opposition, and slap the opposition too(recent case of Thakrey).
But they haven't been able to slap terrorism till now(Recent Assam bombard)...Not able to condemn Pak fully.

May be they have done something but there are many things yet to be done as far as the security is considered, so that the people could be sure of their safety.

It has been one year now since we had one of the deadliest attacks in our history & what have we done till now.. Spend Rs. 31 crores on the main accused of the attack; Send dossiers to Pakistan and get it rejected; Failed to provide an answer to the lack of security in such an aristocratic place; Making a mockery of ourselves in front of other countries

The major issue is what we could have done:

First of all, raising our Inner Security System and if we have done so, people of our country should be aware of them and felt safe

Quick trial of Kasab and if the statements have been recorded and verified in front of world forum, then he must be shot dead (I am not a cruel person but to shoot a person who is one of the responsible persons for the death of hundreds of innocent people is no wrong)

Countering inner terrorism which is even more dangerous than external terrorism

Past caught terrorists must be hanged (because we keep them in jail, spend taxpayers hard earned money on them and send a wrong signal to other terrorists)

Police force compensation must be increased (every year the babus give themselves heavy increments in pay commission but these policemen give their lives for the nation)

Strong vigilance should be there on Bangladesh Border


These are the some of the things which i think should be done

I would love to get additions, deletions on these

thanks

P.S. It is an excellent initiative taken by the moderator

As per my understandings police cannot interrogate Kasab until he is declared convicted in trial which he still hasn't. And by the time police will know anything substantial , it wont be much of use because till then all the possible links to main terror hubs etc would get erased just like what we all see in any hollywood SWAT/FBI/CIA etc based movie. Regarding Pakistan role, even before Kasab also we have countless evidence like live recording of POK terror camps etc which India time to time has shown to world. Also role of Pakistan in terrorism/taliban is nothing new and proven long back.


P.S.- the views given above are solely my own and i do not intend to harm anybody elses feelings.

i m not in favour of delaying justice but today we have kasab and we know that he is a culprit so we can hang him or punish him....but dont we know that the politician and the gentry of india indulge in devious tactics in order to save their own soul...wat if tomorrow an innocent youth is framed and then the same fate as kasab is bestowed on him..??

Do you think it was and is right to keep Ajmal Kasab alive and not punishing him by hanging him to death?

AJMAL KASAB is the biggest proof and witness, who is revealing everything slowly and steadily about Pakistan's terror intentions...
So he must be kept alive until and unless, Pakistan is completely disparaged and punished by the whole world.
And it was because of him that India started probing and the real face of Pakistan,i.e., the support given by Pak to Taliban, came clear in front of the world.

Its now one full year of having Kasab in Custody. Police would already have extracted all the possible info they could . I have just read that 31 crores have been spent on his security till now. Last thing India would want is an another Plane Hijack where terrorists asking for kasab release. Also dont forget Parliament attack accused Afzal is still not being hanged even after being granted death sentence 7 years ago. This kind of govt functioning I think actually raises finger both on our judicial & legislative system of democratic India.

One questions that has haunted me time and now is that...
What will be the take away of such a discussion?

1. better chance at GD's
   
2. Impressive points for the essays
   
3. lethally charged replies to the interviewers.
   

Are we doing enough at our level to call for a change?
How many of us vote?
How many of us teach someone?
How many of us believe in someone who wants to being about a change?

Guess these are the questions the "youth" must answer, Kasab is a distant topic!

well yes these question r relevant for sure...but one thing i want to state here...most of us here r of the age range 22-26. that is we r still collecting the building blocks of our lives....so wat i want to say is that we have limited resources and most importantly limited time...

so wat is equally important is to take ourself to such hight so that we r able to do something for our country and plz take note that i m talking abt sth of large scale....

pallavi u plz answer one question......who is better...
1. a person who sacrifices his studies and teaches 10-20 slum kids and thus not able to do justice to both the jobs.
2. a person who doesnt teaches anyone but works day and night so that wen he clears IAS he can revamp the education system of the country...

plz answer..

P.S.- the views expressed r solely mine and dont intend to hurt anyone but i do believe in one thing" u want to love someone, first learn to love urself..u want to teach somebody then first teach urself and if u want to change the system, first change urself."

So finally a separate thread is created for this. Its great.Her is my take on it.

'Kasab' according to media reports , often smiles in court when the trial is on. He perhaps smiles at the thought that it took 5 months for us to start trial of a person who killed people in open. he perhaps smiles because we took months to declare he is a Pakistani , he is more than 18 & he used an AK 47 to shoot people. He perhaps smiles at the thought of being alive even after captured in action.
True , the law should take its own course , but is it necessary to waste the time & money of our courts which are already suffering from huge backlog. Is it not a time to send a strong & clear message to terrorists -in -waiting. Finally is it justice delayed is nothing but justice denied ???

I think I have given my answer.

One questions that has haunted me time and now is that...
What will be the take away of such a discussion?

1. better chance at GD's
   
2. Impressive points for the essays
   
3. lethally charged replies to the interviewers.
   

Are we doing enough at our level to call for a change?
How many of us vote?
How many of us teach someone?
How many of us believe in someone who wants to being about a change?

Guess these are the questions the "youth" must answer, Kasab is a distant topic!

We would discuss everything ma'am but this question was asked to be put up here so that the Pursuit of Happiness does not thunder...
So as i also said, we would discuss everything regarding India... that includes All This too.

Do you think it was and is right to keep Ajmal Kasab alive and not punishing him by hanging him to death?

i think its right to keep kasab alive till now bcoz of following reasons......

1.we r a democratic country and thus everybody (even if he is a terrorist) have the right for a trial in court....by not givin him that we could have had other countries pointin fingers on the credibility of our judicial system.

2.kasab cud have died anyway but by catching him alive we have made pakistan admit "mea culpa"

3.by doin the trial of kasab in a kangaroo court and hanging him to death overnight we wud have lost the opportunity of eliciting the info about the existing terror n/w and the future threats.

4.If we have not had kasab with us, we cud not have realized the chutzpah of these terror networks and how they perform these devious acts with such impunity.

in the end i wud like to quote the statement of MR. P. CHIDAMBARAM "i am proud that we did not hang kasab overnite widout a trial coz that shows the credibility of the worlds largest democracy"

P.S.- the views given above are solely my own and i do not intend to harm anybody elses feelings

One questions that has haunted me time and now is that...
What will be the take away of such a discussion?

1. better chance at GD's
   
2. Impressive points for the essays
   
3. lethally charged replies to the interviewers.
   

Are we doing enough at our level to call for a change?
How many of us vote?
How many of us teach someone?
How many of us believe in someone who wants to being about a change?

Guess these are the questions the "youth" must answer, Kasab is a distant topic!