"It is a positive sign for India. All speeches (by US president) point to the fact that India is now a world power and it should be an equal partner to the US. That's the theme and message coming out of the visit. President Obama is doing two things: trying to create business between the two countries and trying to address the issues where India is worried about. It is not that US is worried about outsourcing and visa fees. Those are things that people in India worry about and not people in the US."
-Nikesh Arora, president, global sales, ops & business development, Google


Everything discussed in OBAMA'a visit's relation!
:-
Media's 'Pak obsession' worked to India?s advantage? : Medium Term

Let us as a country learn to be more humble in our success.

No matter what a jingoistic media says the fact is that we need the US much much more than it needs us. So when we talk about US needing us and being dependent on us let us not forget we are talking about a country that still controls more than 30% of world resources and still spends more on its defense than every other country put together

While we are a growing power, as things stand now, we have very little voice in anything significant in world affairs. The only way we can make sure we are heard over other more significant powers (like an increasingly aggressive China) is by allying with the predominant power in the world, which currently is the US.

I am very proud of where we are as a country and hope we continue to do well so that we can ensure that a huge majority of Indians are able to live a life of dignity. Let us learn lessons from history of other countries who also showed promise but then faltered and have never recovered. While we have achieved a lot in the last few years we still have a lot to do and I really hope that this increasingly arrogant attitude many Indians (that seriously grosses me out) have adopted does not distract us from our goals.

Sapyy Says

Do you think that the "OBAMA VISIT" is useful from India's point of view?... or it is just Obama's business that is making him speak good about India???

The fact that this is the First time a U.S president is coming to India In his first term, and each time a US president having visited India this is the first time not having a parallel visit to Pakistan does speaks to a large volume that US does respect India` growth and as a very strong trade partner.India with the present rate of growth is estimated to be the 3 largest economy in world in a decade or two is supposetly cant be ignored. And a US President visit to India cant go unuseful. India is certainly going to be benifitted to some extent....

Sapyy Says

Do you think that the "OBAMA VISIT" is useful from India's point of view?... or it is just Obama's business that is making him speak good about India???

To be honest, Obama is speaking good about us because he needs us. The fellow is coming here to sign deals that will create 50,000 jobs in the US. I mean, that in itself is such a big turnaround. The ever great US coming at our doorstep seeking our help is a sign of change, and a big one at that. The world order is changing........it may be very slight.....but it is certain.

Do you think that the "OBAMA VISIT" is useful from India's point of view?... or it is just Obama's business that is making him speak good about India???

Arundhati says that she speaks for justice for Kashmiri Pandits who live out the tragedy of having been driven out of their homeland .I want to remind her that Kashmiri Pandits were driven out not by so called brutal military occupiers of Kashmir but by hardliners like Geelani whom she now seems to shares a dais. I don't think chances of Pandits returning to Kashmir would increase even if this brutal military occupation ends tomorrow.

aksbond4u Says

Do you support Arundati Roy's recent seditious speech on KASHMIR ??

though any person in dis country including the writers have d right 2 air their views,stating facts they like n those they dont,or want a change,but giving out conclusive statements like kashmir is not a part of india,i think is completely wrong

her call 4 justice shud be opined on the people and policies of govt towards them,she can criticize,point out loopholes,or appreciate good things,but concluding things on her own is wrong

u can say that people in kashmir are under constant threat,the govt is inefficient in providing them security,armed forces are exploiting civilians,people are not happy from d ruling party,people may not be even be happy 2 be a part of india,but based on dis opinions u can not state that kashmir is not a part of india

Do you support Arundati Roy's recent seditious speech on KASHMIR ??

Now that the Commonwealth Games have commenced, glitches and all, we can assess them more soberly than the high-pitched media sound bites of recent weeks. Many critics complain that the Games show India in a terrible light. In fact, they provide a pretty accurate representation of the country.

So Lemme push a more debatable question in this forum :-

CWG : A Success or Failure ???

Is Incredible India image has been dented in World's Eye ?

Do any World level body feel reluctant before allotting a big event like this to India ? Or rather did India itself think twice before any such big assignment ?

If you are referring to Dec, 92 act, that is an unlawful and sheer act of vandalism on a property which govt has declared as 'No mans or restricted land for everyone'.
But I didn't get that how could this decision of equal of partition of land legitimate that act.
Also this case was put in court much before Dec 92 , not after on basis that unfortunate event.

I believe this current decision of equi partition of land is best possible decision and we should also amicably accept this and move on.
After all our nation is facing much more important and critical issue than this.:o

:d Not my strong point as you can see
Their main point was that the ram temple should exisit and the court has effectively ruled that it should giving them moral legitimacy

i haven't read the verdict in details but i assume those 2 judges talked about Lord Ram not Krishna...
Also i didn't get the point that how this verdict justifies so called 'what the right wing parties did '

Found the verdict quite objectionable to be honest
Dont see how a court had any business making judgements based on theology and what not. 2 of the judges I believe even said that there was evidence of Ram being born there
In a way the ruling justifies what the right wing parties did and that is not something I am comfortable with.

It would nicer if you also start contributing to this thread/site.

very nice and interesting site. Thank you

I am not sure this half a century old topic is still hot. Even concerned parties also amicably either accepted the verdict or challenging it in peaceful manner.

What I would like to feel is that Its a perfect decision in having a temple and a mosque side by side on that piece of land? What if any of the litigating parties had been given a complete victory over the other, would that have been a correct decision for this country? Would there still have been so much calm as we see now had any of these parties lost their case completely?

After Ayodhya verdict the most noted to be understood in India, is the uninterested replay of the general people, Muslims and Hindus. Actually the new generation is not interested more in the controversy. It helps us to understand that the controversy was of politics, not of true opinion.

So Let's bury this 60-year-old corpse here and now.

I think that for really firing up this thread... we should discuss any firing topic... Because we have seen that people want and are interested to give their opinions on such topics...

So i would like to ask:
What do you think that Ayodhya verdict which is given after so many years could have been given earlier?
... and do you feel that the decision was absolutely right or wrong?
Also let me know what is the decision you were thinking should be given before the verdict was out?

It is strange that this thread always dies down!
Youth busy sleeping

Let me try to fire up the thread.

Let us discuss about important concerns,

As you all know Rahul Gandhi has got so many youth into the congress party by doing a all india tour of sorts,but i am skeptical whether youth will be given any chance. Its all about dynasty politics.

There is a interesting article on this,here

Dynastic Politics

Lets make this thread active puys. Hoping to see some activity:)

Origin of this thread was caused/initiated/linked with trial procedure of Kasab..

Finally Verdict is gettnig out in few minutes..
Hoping that justice would be finally done in a democratic way..

Also as censorboard chief Sharmila tagore has recently said that there is difference in application of laws on media in India as compare to Western Countries.
Indian public in overall is still not as mature & open like Western Countries.

There IS such a difference and maturity has nothing to do with that .Western culture is to a large extent shaped by the World wars and the counter culture revolutions of the 60s .
During the World wars conscription of very young men in the army was rampant. They were separated from their family and lived and fought in far away places this to a large extent shaped their lives . Prostitution,Drug abuse (life in the army) and the like became ok and this would later lead on to the revolution in the 60s . I would nt consider 'Western Culture' to be a guiding light or a role model that we should be following.
That said i do agree that India needs to mature and that will happen when real education peculates right up to the roots of our society .

A harmless statement of sharukh, backless photo of Kareena in Qurbaan, etc has caused riots in Mumbai. There issuesd a fatwa against India's most successful tennis woman because of wearing short skirts. Thus Indian public's sentiments are much fragile. there are riots/bundhs etc on even very small issues.

The government cannot encourage these forces by pandering to populist opinion.Do you think it would be right for the government to ban MTV or Valentine's day because some people feel its immoral ? .

This not just a case within India ,the swizz public voted to ban the construction of minarets in Switzerland .The french public want a ban on burqa .
It is a classic case of majority imposing their will on a minority .In India its the orthodox getting to impose their will on the minority liberals . Both have their rights to hold on to their opinions without having to impose it on the other.
To Each His Own


"Your freedom ends where my nose begins"

Nowadayz we come across several Ad promos wid National Campaigns(for ex- IDEA & Aircel)
Do they really have an effect on soceity or it is just a business?

I think we are deviating from topic.. lemme clear my stand :-

I can't find where we went off topic.

aksbond4u Says

Firstly in name of freedom of speech, we can't display anything by saying that let viewers decide.. otherwise we would have to allow things like advertisements drugs, arms, prostitution and lot more murky things..

You are attacking a Strawman here. I never said that illegitimate things should be allowed to be freely advertised.
Drugs cannot be advertised because they are illegal. Same is true for Prostitution, and private possession of arms in India is heavily regulated.
On the same point though, DRDO does advertise its latest missiles, and weaponry.

Secondly I still maintained every country has its own laws keeping in minds sentiments of its citizens..

Yes, and I am talking within the premises set by the Indian constitution.

aksbond4u Says

Lastly I don't find much difference between so called hate speeches made by certain ill motivated people and hate speech given by Raghu in roadies interview. If former one is politically motivated then latter one is TRP motivated.

But the constitution of the country does make a discretion. The two major hate speech laws are as follows:

Section 153A:

"Whoever (a) by words, either spoken or written, or by signs or by visible representations or otherwise, promotes or attempts to promote, on grounds of religion, race, place of birth, residence, language, caste or community or any other ground whatsoever, disharmony or feelings of enmity, hatred or ill-will between different religious, racial, language or regional groups or castes or communities, or (b) commits any act which is prejudicial to the maintenance of harmony between different religious, racial, language or regional groups or castes or communities, and which disturbs or is likely to disturb the public tranquility, . . . shall be punished with imprisonment which may extend to three years, or with fine, or with both"

Section 295A

Whoever, with deliberate and malicious intention of outraging the religious feelings of any class of , , insults or attempts to insult the religion or the religious beliefs of that class, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to , or with fine, or with both.

Thus, Varun Gandhi broke the law, MTV did not.
A lot of people might not find a lot of speeches "moral", but the crux of the matter is "who decides morality?" What might be immoral for one person, might be completely acceptable to another.

I think we are deviating from topic.. lemme clear my stand :-
Firstly in name of freedom of speech, we can't display anything by saying that let viewers decide.. otherwise we would have to allow things like advertisements drugs, arms, prostitution and lot more murky things..
Secondly I still maintained every country has its own laws keeping in minds sentiments of its citizens..
Thirdly I am not against any show of MTV, i just wanted that there are more democratic ways which I mentioned earlier can be deployed so that we could have both better control over kids as well as letting people decide what they want to see.
Lastly I don't find much difference between so called hate speeches made by certain ill motivated people and hate speech given by Raghu in roadies interview. If former one is politically motivated then latter one is TRP motivated.

You had to continue the debate. Did you guess that I would disagree

Also as censorboard chief Sharmila tagore has recently said that there is difference in application of laws on media in India as compare to Western Countries. Indian public in overall is still not as mature & open like Western Countries. A harmless statement of sharukh, backless photo of Kareena in Qurbaan, etc has caused riots in Mumbai. THere issuesd a fatwa against India's most successful tennis woman because of wearing short skirts. Thus Indian public's sentiments are much fragile. there are riots/bundhs etc on even very small issues.
So these things have also be considered while making decisions on what needs to be displayed

It is the prerogative of the government to protect someone's freedom of speech, against someone else's intolerance. It is one thing to deliver a hate speech, and another to curb someone else's rights.
However, in all of these instances, it has been primarily certain groups, mostly organized and at times politically motivated, who have shown intolerance.
At this juncture, it is important that the state steps up and protects the rights of the victim.

aksbond4u Says

Indian public in overall is still not as mature & open like Western Countries.

Whoever made this statement, has made a very condescending statement. There were large scale protests in Europe, often with violent undertones, after the Danish cartoon incident. Similarly, there have been protests in the US against issues like teaching of evolution in schools, and other issues like LGBT rights, abortion, and issues that are not always in line with religious views. So it would be wrong to say that we are extremely intolerant.
And even if it were true that vast majority of Indians are very intolerant, it would still be the government's prerogative to protect minorities and their freedom of speech.
We have been a plural society for centuries, with respect for opinions. Kamasutra originated here and Khajuraho exists here.

Also as censorboard chief Sharmila tagore has recently said that there is difference in application of laws on media in India as compare to Western Countries. Indian public in overall is still not as mature & open like Western Countries. A harmless statement of sharukh, backless photo of Kareena in Qurbaan, etc has caused riots in Mumbai. THere issuesd a fatwa against India's most successful tennis woman because of wearing short skirts. Thus Indian public's sentiments are much fragile. there are riots/bundhs etc on even very small issues.
So these things have also be considered while making decisions on what needs to be displayed

I dont think it is responsibility of parents/teacher alone. Our every right including freedom of speech comes both with responsibility and conditions... We cant misuse our rights in a manner which can harm other people's sentiments. Its just like openly maligning any religion/caste, defaming someone, lieing etc.
With reference to media it is just like having ban of display of pornographic material, maligning any religion/caste/creed/ etc.
But of course current case of MTV is not as same as described above

I am glad you made that discretion. Hate speeches directly effect civil order, so there is a rationale behind that.

aksbond4u Says

But of course current case of MTV is not as same as described above and a solution can be come up something like rating the serial as 18 + and allotting late night slot to this kind of serial. Or better still have a rating of whole channel not just of its program. For ex say MTV has rated as 18+ channel and a person could only subscribe to it if he/she is 18+ of age. By this we could have better control vis a vis not curbing Freedom of Speech . If a parent wants their kids to see this kind of shows then subscribe to Tata Sky 18+ package etc

Totally agree with you there. That was my entire point, that you can prevent children from watching "unwanted" stuff using more democratic means. The state, with the aid of experts in respective fields, can label content as appropriate or inappropriate for children. A complete censor though, is authoritarian in nature.

I dont think it is responsibility of parents/teacher alone. Our every right including freedom of speech comes both with responsibility and conditions... We cant misuse our rights in a manner which can harm other people's sentiments. Its just like openly maligning any religion/caste, defaming someone, lieing etc.
With reference to media it is just like having ban of display of pornographic material, maligning any religion/caste/creed/ etc.

But of course current case of MTV is not as same as described above and a solution can be come up something like rating the serial as 18 + and allotting late night slot to this kind of serial. Or better still have a rating of whole channel not just of its program. For ex say MTV has rated as 18+ channel and a person could only subscribe to it if he/she is 18+ of age. By this we could have better control vis a vis not curbing Freedom of Speech . If a parent wants their kids to see this kind of shows then subscribe to Tata Sky 18+ package etc

MTV shouldn't be censored because of the Degrading quality of teachers but because of the "Offensive language" used in the Programs. By watching those programs Youth consider it to be a Fashion to use Foul language.
The point about the Parent's taking control of their children is right but tell me how difficult it is to control a teenager???

Government of india is not trying to censor these programs because it likes to but because someone has complained regarding it to them.

PS: This is more or less becoming a Debate,I appreciate your points but it would be worthless if only we two continue to discuss about the topic.

Good that you have highlighted the role of parent's. But in today's world of nuclear families and where it is not surprising to find Women in families working,How many parent's really take care of their child in a way they have to? I am not saying that no one does that but there is a section of families where both Parent's work and they are not able to give proper time to their children(This is the case even with some parent's who don't work)

In that scenario who's responsibility is it to instill the maturity in the child to differentiate between Good and Bad?? Teachers might play that role but the quality of teachers has degraded over many years now.

It is still the responsibility of the parents and the teachers. If they are so concerned, they shouldn't have TV at home, or can simply not subscribe to TV channels that they feel might have adverse effects on their children.
A more creative, and constructive, solution would be to simply enroll child in after-school activities, till the parents don't return. There are plenty of after school cricket coachings, swimming schools, gymnastic schools, tennis schools, art-schools, foreign language schools etc in India.

Teachers might play that role but the quality of teachers has degraded over many years

Why should MTV be censored for the degrading quality of teachers?

Freedom of speech being disrupted??
Here in this case the Freedom of speech is being misused!!

"Freedom being misused" is the excuse upon which every authoritarian regime, in human history, has been built.

True what they are showing might be the case with some percentage of youth of our country but by excessively showing it with all the effort to spice it up with "Masala",Will it not influence the larger Section of the youth??

This is just an appeal to morality. As I said, parents should make sure that their wards are not exposed to potentially harmful programmes. What gives the government the right to repeal one of our fundamental rights? We aren't in an emergency.

hmmmm........future seems pretty gloomy.....

ewbgaz Says

I strongly disagree. , it is the responsibility of parents, and teachers, to prevent their children from being exposed to what can be perceivably bad for them. It is also the parent's (and teachers') role to instill in their children the ability to judge good from bad.

Good that you have highlighted the role of parent's. But in today's world of nuclear families and where it is not surprising to find Women in families working,How many parent's really take care of their child in a way they have to? I am not saying that no one does that but there is a section of families where both Parent's work and they are not able to give proper time to their children(This is the case even with some parent's who don't work)

In that scenario who's responsibility is it to instill the maturity in the child to differentiate between Good and Bad?? Teachers might play that role but the quality of teachers has degraded over many years now.

Freedom of speech being disrupted??
Here in this case the Freedom of speech is being misused!!
True what they are showing might be the case with some percentage of youth of our country but by excessively showing it with all the effort to spice it up with "Masala",Will it not influence the larger Section of the youth??

I read in the newspaper few days back that two Programs one on MTV and other on Bindaas have been given a notice by Information and broadcasting ministry!! The Government has rightly done so..

I strongly disagree. This directly violates Freedom of Speech. No matter how much one disagrees with something, logically, morally, or on some other grounds, freedom of speech cannot be restricted.
As far as the question of dangers posed to children is concerned, it is the responsibility of parents, and teachers, to prevent their children from being exposed to what can be perceivably bad for them. It is also the parent's (and teachers') role to instill in their children the ability to judge good from bad.

aksbond4u Says

A lot of TV programmes on Bindaas , MTV, V etc with others are started to following them too are promoting abusive language (the famous beep tone after every half word..)on screen and abusing is becoming today's Youth style statement. What is ur opinion??

sry for replying so late... I am back to PG after 2 weeks.

There are many TV programmes and serials which are polluting our society.The major effects are on children,youth and home makers.
* Children dont have enough sense to judge.And the consequences are they end up following wrong paths widout knowledge of parents.

* If we talk about our future makers socalled youth they are divided into 2 categories:
Most of the youth of our metros is running for status.For them smoking,rash driving,eveteasing,abusing that too in English,disrespecting elders,displaying vulgarity in public is a status.And the worst part is the parents are either ignoring it or sometimes they are involved in the race.
I think the situation is not that worse in cities.The reason behind it is control of parents over their lads or lack of oppurtunities.Or sometimes u can say it is our culture which binds them.
(Please dont think I am blaming metro youth)

* HomeMakers are also the victim of this part.Many of the homemakers in our country are obessed wid these craps bcoz they dont hav any1 to share their problems which is live telecasted on television.Whether the family is joint or a nuclear one the problem is accumulating day by day which ends up in depression, hypertension,infidelity and some times major misunderstandings.


Infact I think there is no solution to the problem other than we have to enhance our ability to judge and guide ourselves and our lads.Bcoz TRP ratings are major issue that interfers in banning.But wen comes to extreme cases like the show on Bindass or Splitsvilla these should not be tolerated and must be banned. The censor board should have thought atleast once about show b4 approving it.Do they think that todays junta doesnt understand beeps.Recently I watched "Runn" movie. It is a xerox of media, politics and big players of our economy.

How to play dirty politics?? How to back stab others??
I happened to know these facts since even I have watched these episodes.
There are many young people who are not mature enough to understand what is right and wrong!! After watching such serials they get influenced and use abusive language so as to make style statement!!

Cant they show how the youth of our country contribute towards the society!! there are many young people who have started NGO'S,Ventures to contribute towards our country!! These are the real inspirational young leaders not people who speak foul language!!
It is high time that Media,Television guys buck up and start doing some meaningful stuff!!

Media, television follow trp ratings ... if we have now roadies 7 and splits ville twice in a year then definitely these shows are attracting much audience...
So it is not that only Television guys hv to blamed . they are just showing what we are demanding them to show.. so i think we should look into this in more holistic manner... Also we also have to think/discuss about freedom of media to show anything but in an appropriate manner...

And for this We certainly need more views from other puys to discuss this more comprehensibly ..

aksbond4u Says

A lot of TV programmes on Bindaas , MTV, V etc with others are started to following them too are promoting abusive language (the famous beep tone after every half word..)on screen and abusing is becoming today's Youth style statement. What is ur opinion??

I read in the newspaper few days back that two Programs one on MTV and other on Bindaas have been given a notice by Information and broadcasting ministry!! The Government has rightly done so..

It is said that Television,Films always show how the society really is,
But i feel it is these idiotic programs are influencing the way our youth behaves!!
The amount of foul language they use is a shame!!
If people think using Foul language is a style statement then its a idiotic way of thinking!!
Nearly 70% of the indian population is Youth and what MTV like television shows is only a small percentage of that youth!! Not every young person wants to be a Roadie or a VJ. The shows like splitsvilla are ridicilous, I happened to watch one episode of it and i promised myself that i am never going to watch it again.
Why Cant they have shows were Real talent is showcased??
What does Roadies teach you?? How to influence people?
How to play dirty politics?? How to back stab others??
I happened to know these facts since even I have watched these episodes.
There are many young people who are not mature enough to understand what is right and wrong!! After watching such serials they get influenced and use abusive language so as to make style statement!!

Cant they show how the youth of our country contribute towards the society!! there are many young people who have started NGO'S,Ventures to contribute towards our country!! These are the real inspirational young leaders not people who speak foul language!!
It is high time that Media,Television guys buck up and start doing some meaningful stuff!!

A lot of TV programmes on Bindaas , MTV, V etc with others are started to following them too are promoting abusive language (the famous beep tone after every half word..)on screen and abusing is becoming today's Youth style statement. What is ur opinion??

Seems our nation younger lot becomes silent.. no post in this for weeks.. or our society has become utopian..thanks to shiv sena/mns etc that is not case atleast for now..
anyway here is one great link i was reading,, feel it share wit others---

Daffodils in face of bullets : India : Tarun Vijay : TOI Blogs

@sappy -- spare some questions/time from POH posts to this wonderful thread. --- no offence just kidding....

Here is my question::

If given a chance to Choose one of the Cabinets of the central government,then which will you choose and how will you server country?:p

I would love to become a Minister and what portfolio I would choose..
Hmmm...
Food and Agriculture minister.
Mr.Sharad pawar does not seem to be doing a good job..Is he??
The prices are going to be in race with stock exchange in a few weeks!!
Government has increased the wage for Public sector employees,What about other people who are not employed by the "Biggest democracy of the world" government. Only Promises are made in manifestos..There are hardly few ministers who are doing their duty..Media gives Attention to the spat between chetan bhagat and 3 idiots team but comes up with only one report saying Daal has become 90rs..What next??
Is the role of media only lighting candles in memory of departed souls??
Is the role of media only making sure of getting hands on latest scams??
Is the role of politicians only to garner votes and forget their work??

When will Media play a Pro active role??

Until few days back I had faith in UPA government but due to a report which i came to know about..I have lost all my respect towards our PM and UPA.

I would become Agriculture minister and focus on
1] Eradicating Middlemen who are the root cause of price rise.
2] Give information and money to farmers to grow all kinds of crops.
3] Improve rural sector and make it on par with so called "Developed" urban sector.
4] Stop blaming state government for price rise like sharad pawar did by blaming UP govt for price rise in Sugar. Instead on blaming i would try to solve the issue.
5] Make sure BPL families are getting their share and also make sure that they are not taking undue advantage.
6] Make sure that steps are taken to have a second green revolution on the same lines of the first which was the vision of Late Normaun borlaug.
7] Make sure that no farmer commits sucide.
8] Make sure farmers are not forced to give away their land in the name of industrialisation.

Still so many points..If even some of them our present Minister does..I think our problems will be lesser compared to what we have now.

hahahaha...well good work aks....
aks seems like there are only 2 us (aks) active right now......by d way ur name aks??

Thanks,,,, Its Akshat Garg ... i think now its only 2 Akshat active here,,,

As an FYIA, following is link of wikipedia containing some info about names of ministries in India. Hope this might help one in deciding his own ministry as we generally heard just couple of ministries in news. Wow, I am sounding more like a politician asking for a better bargain in ministry distribution for his party .

Category:Government ministries of India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

hahahaha...well good work aks....
aks seems like there are only 2 us (aks) active right now......by d way ur name aks??

Here is my question::

If given a chance to Choose one of the Cabinets of the central government,then which will you choose and how will you server country?:p

As an FYIA, following is link of wikipedia containing some info about names of ministries in India. Hope this might help one in deciding his own ministry as we generally heard just couple of ministries in news. Wow, I am sounding more like a politician asking for a better bargain in ministry distribution for his party .

Category:Government ministries of India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I second you on peaceful protests but I think in current scenario most of the time it is out of the question.Sometimes it is definitely just aggression.
1) "Sote hue ko jagane ke lie dhamake in jaroorat hoti hai".
2) As a student till now what I have experienced is that wen ever thr is a peaceful protest one or two of participants get aggressive and every is in vain.

1) de di hamein azaadi bina khadag bina dhaal sabarmati ke sant tune
kar diya kamaal....
2) Destroying public or someone else property in any case is never justified. People gets aggressive only when they know that nothing would be happen to them,, or has political supporting behind them,, or just use any protest as excuse to carry out personal grudge.. if they know that they would get punished for this,, then these number of aggressive participants would start coming down ..
Also if we keep on allowing this insane destruction then ultimately this protest would reduced to an application of a famous proverb : "He who wields the baton owns the buffalo"

I would like to have Home Ministry. For me following are priority tasks:-


4. Strict Prosecution of those who destroy public property in name of protest. Only peaceful protest should be allowed.

I second you on peaceful protests but I think in current scenario most of the time it is out of the question.Sometimes it is definitely just aggression.
1) "Sote hue ko jagane ke lie dhamake in jaroorat hoti hai".
2) As a student till now what I have experienced is that wen ever thr is a peaceful protest one or two of participants get aggressive and every is in vain.

Here is my question::

If given a chance to Choose one of the Cabinets of the central government,then which will you choose and how will you server country?:p

I would like to have Home Ministry as I believe what it is said in Dabur Chavanprash Ad pehle Bano "Andar se strong". For me following are priority tasks:-

1. Nip the anti State elements in bud.
2. Finish off inter state terrorism like of naxals, ulfa, bandits etc
3. Greater security for everyone especially women.
4. Strict Prosecution of those who destroy public property in name of protest. Only peaceful protest should be allowed.
5. Ban on people who took law on their own hand in name of moral policing.
6. Greater accountability along with salary & facilities for police personal. So that if another 26/11 happens our esteemed black cat commandos dont come in BEST buses to crime scene.
7. Lastly ofcourse to get the system rid of corruption. More power & transparency to vigilance.

Here is my question::

If given a chance to Choose one of the Cabinets of the central government,then which will you choose and how will you server country?:p

A pair of question just popped in my mind on browsing this thread on youth.

What in me(each oneself) is the cause of the problems I see in the world ?
What change in me can bring about the change I want to see?

I believe these are the questions which one should ask from himself/herself. I hope its a perfect question to end this year & start a great year.

Well I think this topic is aggreggation of all the above ones.And so will try to be in brief else it would be a problem.

What in me(each oneself) is the cause of the problems I see in the world ?

1. Sometimes I have to use polybags.
   
2. Unknowingly and sometimes knowingly I waste electricity.
   
3. I use my own means of transport.
   
4. I do not vote.
   

What change in me can bring about the change I want to see?

1. will try to vote in future
   
2. try not to waste natural resoures and educate ppl about importance of them esp children.
   
3. Motivate ppl who want to do something regarding these issue and help them to implement it.
   
4. I try to follow all the traffic rules.
   
5. I try to avoid any circumstances in which I have to bribe.
   
6. And most importantly perform my duties(towards my work, society, parents and ecosystem).If I do this all will be fine.
   
   

Will update as soon as i will get more.

A pair of question just popped in my mind on browsing this thread on youth.

What in me(each oneself) is the cause of the problems I see in the world ?
What change in me can bring about the change I want to see?

I believe these are the questions which one should ask from himself/herself. I hope its a perfect question to end this year & start a great year.

Seems everyone are totally merged in the joy of celebrating the new year. So lemme proceed this thread by answering it myself first.

Answer to first one:- There are many such things in me but most prominent of them are avoid voting and bribing govt officials.

Answer to second one :- I want system to get rid of corruption and world to become rid of pollution. For this I vowed of not getting indulge in any corrupt or illegal practice whether it is filling pocket of traffic inspector or providing fake bills in company to get reimbursements. Similarly i would try to save env by conserving energy,fuel, water , using recycled products etc.

A pair of question just popped in my mind on browsing this thread on youth.

- What in me(each oneself) is the cause of the problems I see in the world ?
- What change in me can bring about the change I want to see?

I believe these are the questions which one should ask from himself/herself. I hope its a perfect question to end this year & start a great year.

I totally agree with point that no country is perfect. As said " It was a mistake and if a lesson is learnt , we need not worry about it. " But thats exactly my point is. Lesson is never learnt. Just before this match in Kolkatta we have power disruption. Issue of Kotla pitch in Champions League is known to all. Unfit pitch issue has already occur with India even in past (remember Nagpur). ICC had already warned of unfit Kotla pitch much before the game to BCCI. Surely DDCA officials are not proud of it and there surely will be the normal post mortem and scapegoats would be found.
Someone said we can't criticize it but rather we deserve this as we Indians are habit of criticizing balantly at everything but doing nothing. Its true we should first improve ourselves first. But even if we stop criticizing(peaceful criticism) also, then how would other bothers to acknowledge gravity of their mistake leaving rectifying it aside. Today everyone blamed 24/7 media for highlighting ever bit of issue. But one never see how much media has forced government & other concerned authorities to their task. If BCCI has generated all those power & money , then it has also summoned itself for high scrutiny of its every action & inaction. That is the price one pays for going up in ladder of society.

Hey , lets wish that the lesson is learnt . When you say that ICC had given warning , compare that to our lives. Many a times our parents or friends say that we may head for trouble by doing one particular thing. But we mostly still go ahead with it , neglecting the threats ahead. Such is life my friend , people never get cautious , it is when they fall very badly that they realize what they have done. We can just wish that such things will never happen at any other venue or for that matter any other soprt. It is definetly a national shame.

And when you say the media thing , let us understand some of the media channels are themselves run by political parties.They all work hand in hand. There will always be a second side to the coin. We cannot justify a matter in one way without considering the real truth.

Well , you can't compare countries. We as a Nation have our limitations and we should accept it. The main reason for any event not being managed is the lack of planning. Be it for CW games or for the pitch fiasco , we need to understand where did we go wrong? Certainly DDCA officials will not be proud of what happened , it will be a lesson not only for them but also for the country. It was a mistake and if a lesson is learnt , we need not worry about it.

I believe , no system can be foolproof.

I totally agree with point that no country is perfect. As said " It was a mistake and if a lesson is learnt , we need not worry about it. " But thats exactly my point is. Lesson is never learnt. Just before this match in Kolkatta we have power disruption. Issue of Kotla pitch in Champions League is known to all. Unfit pitch issue has already occur with India even in past (remember Nagpur). ICC had already warned of unfit Kotla pitch much before the game to BCCI. Surely DDCA officials are not proud of it and there surely will be the normal post mortem and scapegoats would be found.
Someone said we can't criticize it but rather we deserve this as we Indians are habit of criticizing balantly at everything but doing nothing. Its true we should first improve ourselves first. But even if we stop criticizing(peaceful criticism) also, then how would other bothers to acknowledge gravity of their mistake leaving rectifying it aside. Today everyone blamed 24/7 media for highlighting ever bit of issue. But one never see how much media has forced government & other concerned authorities to their task. If BCCI has generated all those power & money , then it has also summoned itself for high scrutiny of its every action & inaction. That is the price one pays for going up in ladder of society.

Below is a piece of my though which I wanted to share. Since this thread concerns with India Youth, I hope its a appropriate place to write.

After today's cricket pitch fiasco it brings me, and I am sure every sports lover of the country, to the question of our ability to organize the Commonwealth games & world cups. If we cannot manage Cricket which is hailed as national religion and on whose boards enjoys billions on moolah, what hope can other sports have?
When the common wealth games will be held next year will same stories would repeat? India is great, Bofors gun do not work, MIG-29 crash and the army,navy and air-force can't protect our borders what a shame? So who is responsible for all this? Local police are still using stick to catch criminals, traffic police are corrupt and so on even if you see the excise duty and customs officer are corrupt?

Called me cynical or a pessimist, but the writing on the wall is fairly clear.

Well , you can't compare countries. We as a Nation have our limitations and we should accept it. The main reason for any event not being managed is the lack of planning. Be it for CW games or for the pitch fiasco , we need to understand where did we go wrong? Certainly DDCA officials will not be proud of what happened , it will be a lesson not only for them but also for the country. It was a mistake and if a lesson is learnt , we need not worry about it.

I believe , no system can be foolproof.

Remember the TATA Tea ad, with the line " Woh khate hain kyunki hum khilate hain", one of the main reasons for corruption in India is resistance among Indians to follow rules. We do not like to follow traffic rules and so break them and when we are caught we like to take the easy way out and bribe the police officer, we do not like to stand in lines while paying our bills so we bribe the peons to get our work done, we get riled up when we hear the story about Ruchika on TV (rightly so!!) but choose to ignore the fact that most women who travel in crowded buses or trains are molested several times during their travel, this list is endless.

A society gets the leaders it deserves, it is not the other way round, if we have corrupt, criminal, inefficient leaders it is because we deserve them. So rather than bitching about everything around us a more fruitful exercise would be for us to fix ourselves, everything else like better systems, politicians etc. will follow.

Cheers

Bhai first of all nice post ....I would also like to add my views on some of above issues?
" Woh khate hain kyunki hum khilate hain",

We all know that the problem of corruption is very serious for us but to deal wid this problem what we do?
- Paying bribe to an agent to book a ticket in a train run by Indian Railways.
- Paying a much higher price than it should be to a AutoRichshaw.
- Paying to babu to get your work done in Gov. Office.
or any other case in all the cases one thing is very common they all are taking advantage of your circumstances.What will you do If you have to go from Mumbai to Delhi via Train to attend your interview or seminar or any urgent work or on Diwali or Holi Holydays after a long time?
What will you do If you are waiting at an odd hour of day for an AutoRickshaw?
So there are many circumstances where u hav no other option, as nothing is in your hands, and ur work has to be done.
Acha tell me what will you do If you get 5 -1000 rs notes(Jaali note) from somewhere. And you know it is not your fault.
Let me share one incident--->
There is a friend of mine she is going through training phase of ICAI.So she goes to office of a CA.One day she asked her senior that y is this alteration in the records or what they say balances done.Then the senior explained" that suppose u hav a shop and some Income Tax Dept. Officer visits at your shop to purchase some stuff and refuses to pay.And you doesnot ask him to pay boz u know that somewhere you r wrong.So to manage the balance there has to be alteration done in the balances."And hence results in corruption.
SO I think that this problem cant be solved by just our efforts ,there has to be some very serious steps be taken at higher level.

most women who travel in crowded buses or trains are molested

For this issue I will just say that -- shame on those who do this type of cheap habits.But I think nowadays the condition is improving as some steps have been taken on the issue. Women should be more cautious.Also they should raise their voice against any type of these acts and complain to the Police.I am sure that in this case our Wardiwalas show no mercy and beat like hell.

Below is a piece of my though which I wanted to share. Since this thread concerns with India Youth, I hope its a appropriate place to write.

After today's cricket pitch fiasco it brings me, and I am sure every sports lover of the country, to the question of our ability to organize the Commonwealth games & world cups. If we cannot manage Cricket which is hailed as national religion and on whose boards enjoys billions on moolah, what hope can other sports have?
When the common wealth games will be held next year will same stories would repeat? India is great, Bofors gun do not work, MIG-29 crash and the army,navy and air-force can't protect our borders what a shame? So who is responsible for all this? Local police are still using stick to catch criminals, traffic police are corrupt and so on even if you see the excise duty and customs officer are corrupt?

Called me cynical or a pessimist, but the writing on the wall is fairly clear.

We in India have this habit of making rather important opinions formed on the basis of somewhat trivial matters, it is a gift of 24/7 News Channels.

The issues you mentioned are rather trivial and something that happens in every country. As someone once very wisely and eloquently put it " S#!t Happens". India has a fairly decent Cricket Infrastructure and the Delhi match is not going to change that or the fact that India will unfortunately remain the prime destination for Cricket for a long time to come. You want to be disappointed, be more disappointed about the way the characteristically Indian way in which the crowd reacted by breaking chairs and creating a ruckus, considering the match was telecast around the world, those scenes of the crowd throwing bottles on the field or breaking stadium equipment was more damaging to India's reputation than a badly built pitch.

Bofors gun not working or MIG crashes are again something that happens in most countries that have large armies or airforce. Almost every Airforce in the world reports some sort of crash or equipment failure. It is actually heartening to see that proper training (this was the major reason for crashes, more than the failure of equipment ) has bought about a huge change in the number of crashes in the Indian Airforce from the days of the "flying coffins". If you follow international news you would have noticed the huge hue and cry in America and Britian about the lack of equipments for their soldiers fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, which many journalists claim are the reason for unacceptable level of casualties. These are 2 of the best funded armies in the world, if they have not got it right it will be very difficult for India that does not have even a fraction of the resources that these countries have to get it right.

America has not been able to stop the huge inflow of people or drugs from South America in the last 3 decades inspite of the huge amount of money it spends to do this. Comparing that to the Indian situation where the Indian Army has to stop highly trained terrorists from crossing over, in some of the most difficult terrain and also considering the fact that the infiltration is down to a trickle you should be happy with the job the Indian army is doing rather than expressing ill-informed disappointment.

I also tend to get cynical some times but it is not for the reasons you mentioned, these are things that can be fixed. I am more disappointed with the way we Indians choose to ignore the role played by all of us in contributing to the problems India faces. Remember the TATA Tea ad, with the line " Woh khate hain kyunki hum khilate hain", one of the main reasons for corruption in India is resistance among Indians to follow rules. We do not like to follow traffic rules and so break them and when we are caught we like to take the easy way out and bribe the police officer, we do not like to stand in lines while paying our bills so we bribe the peons to get our work done, we get riled up when we hear the story about Ruchika on TV (rightly so!!) but choose to ignore the fact that most women who travel in crowded buses or trains are molested several times during their travel, this list is endless.

A society gets the leaders it deserves, it is not the other way round, if we have corrupt, criminal, inefficient leaders it is because we deserve them. So rather than bitching about everything around us a more fruitful exercise would be for us to fix ourselves, everything else like better systems, politicians etc. will follow.

Cheers

Bhai Log why is there no progress on this thread?
Koi to participate karo isme....:-(

buddy shoot questions, I am Game

Bhai Log why is there no progress on this thread?
Koi to participate karo isme....:-(

Below is a piece of my though which I wanted to share. Since this thread concerns with India Youth, I hope its a appropriate place to write.

After today's cricket pitch fiasco it brings me, and I am sure every sports lover of the country, to the question of our ability to organize the Commonwealth games & world cups. If we cannot manage Cricket which is hailed as national religion and on whose boards enjoys billions on moolah, what hope can other sports have?
When the common wealth games will be held next year will same stories would repeat? India is great, Bofors gun do not work, MIG-29 crash and the army,navy and air-force can't protect our borders what a shame? So who is responsible for all this? Local police are still using stick to catch criminals, traffic police are corrupt and so on even if you see the excise duty and customs officer are corrupt?

Called me cynical or a pessimist, but the writing on the wall is fairly clear.

I think Sports other than cricket...
Athletics has already been mentioned here...
Hockey has declined drastically..
Talking about a different subject.. I'd say SKATEBOARDING from my point of view.. It's a great sport and is hardly popular.. There are no official Skate-parks in the country.. Its only popular(that too in paucity) in the North-Eastern regions... There are many guys like me who want to at least learn the sport, but there are hardly any facilities..In fact you don't even get a decent board..

puri.pallavi Says

Which is the One field which you feel is highly under-rated in India.....

1. agriculture and allied areas.
   
2. The lack of specialists among beaureucrats (i wud say generalists are over-rated, they are jacks of all trade & masters of none) result, there is hardly as much of knowledge base about issues facing the country as there is in the west.
   

aashishsuneja23 Says

Given a chance will you leave your current jobs/ambitions to get into active politics /civil services...

Exactly the question that is going on in my head for quite a while.
I think I need lot of time and wish to know the real scenario in these jobs to answer this question.

aashishsuneja23 Says

Given a chance will you leave your current jobs/ambitions to get into active politics /civil services...

I believe if a person is aspiring for or having MBA degree then he/she is very much qualified/suitable for going into politics. Though I seriously doubt whether there is any qualification required for politics.
But then it comes down to individual choices, which I believe most of us including me would say NO(i am not including civil services for whom i have much greater respect) irrespective what they would say in this thread or any public forum for the reasons we all know very well. In reality it also depends on whether you give more preferences to power(in politics & civil services) or to money (though again we daily witnessed how even money can be channeled if you have power and vice versa).

Above is totally mine observation which can be very much wrong in general.