I think Hindi should be made compulsory not upto Matric but maybe upto 7th standard. Also instead of concentrating on the written aspect the focus should be more on speaking and reading especially for people from non-Hindi speaking backgrounds. The major advantage of this is crystal clear; it enhances the employment opportunities for millions of Indians who would not be tied down by their regional barriers. People from Hindi backgrounds should similarly be given lessons in a few South Indian languages. This will do wonders for National Integration because language helps a person identify with another and doing this will break down many barriers to communication.

People

I think that hindi should be made compulsory in the schools, not for some patriotic reasons or something, but because of the practical aspects of it. I stay in delhi and I know of the problems that the people have to face if you can not communicate what you are thinking in hindi. A friend of mine could not commute alone for the sole reason that he did not know hindi well enough to communicate the route. Also, in some jobs or courses, the recruitrs ask for a certification for clearance of hindi till tenth.

linkinpark_zing Says

we shud not force anyone to learn hindi , but they shud respect them ,its rude that people tend to talk in english even they know hindi in southern states bcoz there is a feeling of hatred which is created by us

Err..I had trouble understanding your post.
Too many pronouns,finally leading to nowhere.

Point I THINK you were trying to make-->
You want people to respect the national language
and you don't think the South Indian population does.

My point:
Hindi,though our national language is not
the mother tongue for all Indians.
It is the diversity that is the USP.
So as far as forcing people to
learn it goes,I disagree.
With English and regional languages,
the students have their platter full.

The hatred created by us?
By who? Against what?
Couldn't get what you meant.

As for Hindi being spoken in the Southern
states,you'd be amazed to see how much
more effort goes in at the end of the people.
And it does go in.
Impeccable grammar,better sometimes than
the average Northerner.
Not many from a northern state could be
bothered to learn Dravidian languages.
Hindi for example,is a subject for the students down south.
You wouldn't hear of the reverse being true far north.
Fair? I don't think so.

For the record,my mother tongue is Hindi.
Personally I think Hindi speaking persons are
lingually less tolerant of their countrymen/women.

Just my opinion.Open to debate.

Dudes ok, hating a language is a politician's prerogative, so please do avoid any generalisations. Also Pronto to sum up your entire point, You think we should retain our national identity. I am totally with you man except that our national identity is not one clearly defined concept. To call Hindi our national identity would be to ignore other languages of equal if not more literary wealth. India is too complex a concept to be identifed by one single parameter. Lets learn to accept that and live in peace

we shud not force anyone to learn hindi , but they shud respect them ,its rude that people tend to talk in english even they know hindi in southern states bcoz there is a feeling of hatred which is created by us

And by the same logic learn to appreciate the poetry of Bharti-yar and the tirukural. Or maybe try finding the subtle nuances in the poems of Avvayaar.

Bullshit right ?

Well so is your logic of me trying to figure JaiShankar Prasad and Premchand.

They might be great. I agree, but no reason why I should learn them if not out of my own accord.

well abzolutely not out of your own personal accord ...but that they have done a lot in bringing..hindi to the international platform...you can appreciate or be ambivalent about it only if u have a taste for it...and what difference would it make if u appreciate or do not appreciate it...the testimonials that the language Hindi is rich enuff already exist in our manuscripts and they dun need to be attested by me or you...by a North Indian or South Indian.... to prove that Hindi is par all comparisons....uve lost the whole point...my only motto was.. to make us realise that the language hindi itself is unprecedentedly rich which is already an establiched fact...and yeah i do believe that hindi literature is much more rich than any other language in the world...standing shoulders with English and French...!!

Toh aap shuru karo ek Hindi Literary club. I know i might sounding very RDB-isque but this has been my personal motto since eons now: "Either do something about it or quit complaining"

well i am not whining or cribbing about anything my fren.....i am just placing my point ...and if we can't even do that...it wd defeat the whole purpose of these threads and forums...:D..

But doing something about it...its a nice idea ...thanx for bringing it across..:smile:..ive already taught basics of hindi to some non-hindi speakers

As convolutedsignal said, India is not comparable to a Japan, France or Spain simply because of the multitude of languages and culture.

okie the other day i ws watching Mr India for the nth time...and Mogambo had this dialogue in his opening speech...i may not be accurate..but i'll try..."yeh Hindustani kabhi kuch nahin seekhenge...yeh hamesha dharm,jaat aur kshetra ko leke ladte rahenge.."
so are u suggesting that even for the sake of our own literature we cannot be united under one umbrella...??

Well, I would say you are kinda too late baby The reality is that France is a developed country - a superpower. India is not. I know ki thoda apne ego ko thees pohunchega but thats reality !

well ...my fault...i dun really believe in these subjective terms as "developed country - a superpower"...or a "developing country" i dun really wish to go along with the organisations who have coined these terms...i wish to go a lil more with the data...going lil outta the topic out of the Forbes list of 200 richest people in the world their were 27 Indians and 10 Chinese...i quote "The collective net worth of 40 richest persons in India is $106 billion compared with China's $26 billion"...yes their are also the cons...the number of people below the povery line and stuff...but arent we giving tough competition on the positive note too..??

So why not compare India with other countries...when it has actually been doing well on the global front...!!

Okie even if we wish to exclude France , what do u have to say about Israel...one small country hugely influenced with the West...still the people give a sh*t to English...technically highly advanced ..all the computer systems here are sold with customised OS and drivers for Hebrew...even the Notepad if u'd open...would start typing left to right...for this z how Hebrewz written...!!

I just wish to make the point that drilling down deep into the structures of regions,religions and what not ...we Indians tend to loose the national identity...!!

phew..!!:crazyeye:

linkinpark_zing Says

hey i justt said dat coz as i am a new bie i dont know d posting rules ,well rather i was hurt as d mod said d other side won on my topic why is he so rude ?me btech mechanical

Hey linkinpark.
Perhaps it would help to glance
through the rules.The mod's aren't rude people.
They just have a lot on their hands.:)
Do go through the sticky threads for newbies.
Keep posting.

Regards.

rani_das Says

cheers park.. dats becoz the font size was too large... cheerio... dnt b katti.... was dat in a heavy tone.. lo sorry kaan pakadke...... abhi guzza mat ho... waise moi rani_das from kochin....

hey i justt said dat coz as i am a new bie i dont know d posting rules ,well rather i was hurt as d mod said d other side won on my topic why is he so rude ?me btech mechanical

The sms lingo is a universal problem. Teachers in UK have expressed their inability to evaluate the essays submitted by the students "coz they wr writtn lik dis" :wow:

But I totally agree with convolutedsignal here. Languages cannot be imposed. How many languages do you want a child in kerala to learn ?? Malyalam and english are a must. You want to force him to learn hindi too which he will not be using in his job/life anyway ??

Why is it that the Indian fascination
with "foreign maal" does not end.
Does coming at par with the world HAVE
to imply giving up our own?

English is an essential today.
It remains a skill no more.
But a basic.
That said,why should the literary
history and exploits of Indians over
the centuries go to waste.

My opinion:
English-a compulsory language.
Does not imply letting go of
the national/regional languages.
It's our CULTURE.
It's what makes us who we are.
Surely it must be harder than this
to sweep away thousands of years of growth.

It does seem like too much to ask
of the present generation for
THe GenX luvs 2 tok dis way.
U get my pt? They LUV d sms lingo.


Being grammatically impaired would not
extend only to one language.
It's the approach to language per se
that needs to be corrected.

Just a small point Rani- The national anthem is in Bengali and the national song (Vande Mataram) is in Sanskrit.
You are also factually incorrect when you say all languages are similar to Hindi or are its offshoots. The Dravidian languages have very little correlation with Hindi and superseded its presence by centuries. And if you are confusing Sanskrit for Hindi then you are wrong again. Simply cos Sanskrit is not Hindi. Let us not screw the brilliant diversity we have by imposing culture. Jai Hind!

linkinpark_zing Says

why did u say dat dear ?

cheers park.. dats becoz the font size was too large... cheerio... dnt b katti.... was dat in a heavy tone.. lo sorry kaan pakadke...... abhi guzza mat ho... waise moi rani_das from kochin....

Well folks,
i have always believed that language is only a means to communicate. Our political leaders have made it a big deal.... of hindi and hindutwa... but as far as i can see.... that language doesnt make a difference. It should be according to one's convenience.... eg... When i went to chennai.. i had a tough time with tamil.... but slowly, got the hang of it and managed my way out.... similarily... for a south indian, having a basic knowledge of Hindi will help him in communicating with the local fellows who don't understand english but only hindi.

That doesn't mean that one needs to master hindi or study some great literary works.... We have to see that what suits us best..... For our work and office purposes we need to communicate in English, but then when we come home... we would always like to talk in our mother tongue.

Just like American schools have a curriculum of many languages like Spanish, latin, french, german, etc etc.... our curriculum should also be revised so that we have the BASIC knowledge of all the languages.... where hindi is not spoken well... eg. Tamil, malayalam, bangali, kannada, telgu, etc... I dont say we need to become masters in that... but a basic understanding will suffice.

Yes! hindi is our national language and hence it should be there.... but giving too much attention to hindi and then completely ignoring other languages is also incorrect.

Learn the Global Language but why "Forget Hindi"..
We used to have the best collection of literature etc..in Hindi with some great contributions by JaiShankar Prasad ,Premchand and others of their fame..and it was at par with the English collection including Shakespeare..etc..

And by the same logic learn to appreciate the poetry of Bharti-yar and the tirukural. Or maybe try finding the subtle nuances in the poems of Avvayaar.

Bullshit right ?

Well so is your logic of me trying to figure JaiShankar Prasad and Premchand.

They might be great. I agree, but no reason why I should learn them if not out of my own accord.

the French still believe that their literature and art z more rich than English...they believe Camus etc have been the best philosphers ever...but we seem to have lost what we inherited from the previous generation...today the works of Premchand ,Prasad..are only to be found warping in a dilapidated corner of a library..

Toh aap shuru karo ek Hindi Literary club. I know i might sounding very RDB-isque but this has been my personal motto since eons now: "Either do something about it or quit complaining"

As convolutedsignal said, India is not comparable to a Japan, France or Spain simply because of the multitude of languages and culture.

It is still said "Businessmen speak in English but the diplomats speak in French"..cos they have still maintained that aura about their language...so why cant we show to the rest of the world that Hindi too z a language which is rich..and Indians are proud and arrogant about it..!!

Well, I would say you are kinda too late baby The reality is that France is a developed country - a superpower. India is not. I know ki thoda apne ego ko thees pohunchega but thats reality !

On a slightly humorous note, I was talking to an American sitting next to me on my flight. I remarked I can speak 5 languages and understand 3 more. He was surprised and remarked "Someone who knows 3 languages is a trilingual. Someone who knows 2 languages is a bilingual. And someone who knows just 1 language is an American"

Arun

plz send in your views as we guys in college had a debate on dis topic .
1st side- said it shud be done as 4 respect 2 national language n every body shud know it.

second- said it is not necessary as it is near to impossible to implement it in the present scenario taking southern states into consideration,n it is a loss to d nation in doing so as language is not a bar 4 d development of india

Hindi can be traced back to as early as the seventh or eighth century. The dialect that has been chosen as the official language is Khariboli in the Devnagari script.

Every country tries to preserve its culture.

I feel proud to say I can speak Hindi: it is such a big part of our culture, heritage and identity. I could almost say, it symbolizes those.

I know several parents abroad are stressing on making their kids familier to Hindi and there are several organisations working towards it. If this is the case, the culture needs to be preserved and that too where it originated.

the thread starter is here.ibelieve that language is no barrier for showing respect to 1 s country and at the present scenario if we forcefully implement every one to learn hindi its unfair because india is a country of 26 languages so its not necesary 4 every one to know hindi ,if we take bangalore and chennai as example people there dont know hindi but are they less patriotic or the development is hurdled ?so hindi is a national language coz majority of people use it not every body

Why do we need to impose anything on Public?? I believe in society itself treading the most appropriate path.
In this age of globalization, even Bush is advicing americans to learn hindi.. Dont forget that Hindi is second most spoken language in the world with 500 million users, so woo this target audience, it makes perfect sense to learn hindi. I imagine the spread of both english and hindi to the grass root levels in Rural India within next 15-20 years..

well okie i have been to a few countries in Europe and mid-East..and i have seen people have so much passion for their national language..and its not a matter of shame for them if they do not know English or if they cannot converse properly in English ..rather they would just behave as if u have barged to a wrong person..!!

yeah i do believe its an age of globalisation etc...and yeah Indians are doing well and going places because they are quite savvy with English..and hence they are better off than their other Asian and European counterparts..but we do have certain inhibitions, prejudices in our minds against our mother tongue ..we may consider it crude or inferior..and may have always given Hindi a backseat..but this is more because as and when required we have ourselves turned and twisted it to derive a language from it which can only be served at certain obscure and uncelebrated occasions..
call it jingoism or whatever..!!

i totally agree with Pronto ......... learning Global language doesnt mean one shud forget his/her mother tongue.... ok we were first recognised as the citizens of a country who respect other's culture creed religion etc.... c how cud it was possible or it is possible... we respect our culture our language our tradtion...... more than language as a tool that we use to share our ideas thoughts n emotions its a a part of our integrity n a cementing factor of our unity also... Here in this Global era by learning English n Java are we planning to create a generation of half baked Engineers who run behind IIMs even b4 they complete BTech only bcoz they r fed up of JAVA n half baked shakespear whose lierattis r never acknowledged? The mushrooming CBSE schools -the so called English teaching schools- target middle class
family basically, bcoz most of the middle class family parents want their kids to b in one of the engineering colleges so that one day their kids will b shining as another BillGates....
So b4 teaching how to respect one's own langage n culture we r in a hurry to teach kids Java n English..... if they dnt pik up like robots, the kids life how it turns out to b a hell GOD even wont know....

out of frustoo they r the ones who make our country a mockery infront of others..... we have the recently happened Jessica case.. theres no wonder that it happened also coz we dnt know how to respect ourselves , then how are we supposed to respect n warmth towards others.. Oh I forgot dis the era of globaliastion Java n Photoshop.. i think I am ignorant in this regard.. I never knew that the synonyms of Golbaliastion r Java English n Mcdonalds... I agree there is cut throat competion 2day .. its all about the survival of the fittest.... Ya its all about the survival of the FITTEST only.. Fittest dsnt mean whos juss ft n fine in English n Java .. but the one whos mentally n physically FIT.... Remember SOUND MIND N SOUND BODY r intertwined.....

I conclude here saying that i am not totally against English education. Yes English education shud b given to children rite from their primar classes itself.. what i am trying to say is that our childern shud b given Rashtrbhasha training also.. it shud also b made compulsory along with English.. afterall wherever they go or whtaerver they become they will b known as Indians only.. yes they r the ones who r going to make our conutry proud.. how can they do that without teaching them how to respect their age old tradition...


For all those Java n English Products shud i say RAM TERI GANGA MAILI....:)
love n cheers rani_das aka hindi adhyapika............

Yeh vakya main hindi me likh raha hu

Now, was that hindi or english?

Personally I believe in being Practical yet sentimental. English where you need it, else hindi is my mantra :)

No harm in learning english if you can communicate with a few people but I believe learning & using more than one language wont hurt our neural cells.

yeah i do believe its an age of globalisation etc...and yeah Indians are doing well and going places because they are quite savvy with English..and hence they are better off than their other Asian and European counterparts..but we do have certain inhibitions, prejudices in our minds against our mother tongue ..we may consider it crude or inferior..and may have always given Hindi a backseat..but this is more because as and when required we have ourselves turned and twisted it to derive a language from it which can only be served at certain obscure and uncelebrated occasions..
call it jingoism or whatever..!!

The issue pronto is slightly more complex in the case of India than say a France or a Germany simply because a good 40-50% of India does not know Hindi. So I am totally with you on protecting one's regional language, just don't do it at the expense of everything else. Also don't impose some language over the local language in the name of national unity..

Van Gogh, Dil pe mat le yaar..

PS: I wrote the above line in Hindi :p

And uve also killed the debate..!!

Learn the Global Language but why "Forget Hindi"..
We used to have the best collection of literature etc..in Hindi with some great contributions by JaiShankar Prasad ,Premchand and others of their fame..and it was at par with the English collection including Shakespeare..etc..

the French still believe that their literature and art z more rich than English...they believe Camus etc have been the best philosphers ever...but we seem to have lost what we inherited from the previous generation...today the works of Premchand ,Prasad..are only to be found warping in a dilapidated corner of a library..

It is still said "Businessmen speak in English but the diplomats speak in French"..cos they have still maintained that aura about their language...so why cant we show to the rest of the world that Hindi too z a language which is rich..and Indians are proud and arrogant about it..!!

Van Gogh, Dil pe mat le yaar..

PS: I wrote the above line in Hindi

"Doosra" doesn't work nowadays... so I "second" anandv and convoluted signal.
Forget Hindi... Learn the Global Language! :D

Respect for the nation does not come only from a language... it comes from within the heart. And the current generation only feels that on 15 Aug, 26 Jan and after watching movies like RDB. So better be practical... be Global! :D

Learn the Global Language but why "Forget Hindi"..
We used to have the best collection of literature etc..in Hindi with some great contributions by JaiShankar Prasad ,Premchand and others of their fame..and it was at par with the English collection including Shakespeare..etc..

the French still believe that their literature and art z more rich than English...they believe Camus etc have been the best philosphers ever...but we seem to have lost what we inherited from the previous generation...today the works of Premchand ,Prasad..are only to be found warping in a dilapidated corner of a library..

It is still said "Businessmen speak in English but the diplomats speak in French"..cos they have still maintained that aura about their language...so why cant we show to the rest of the world that Hindi too z a language which is rich..and Indians are proud and arrogant about it..!!

plz send in your views as we guys in college had a debate on dis topic .
1st side- said it shud be done as 4 respect 2 national language n every body shud know it.

second- said it is not necessary as it is near to impossible to implement it in the present scenario taking southern states into consideration,n it is a loss to d nation in doing so as language is not a bar 4 d development of india

And the 3rd side won because the font size was too big ?

well okie i have been to a few countries in Europe and mid-East..and i have seen people have so much passion for their national language..and its not a matter of shame for them if they do not know English or if they cannot converse properly in English ..rather they would just behave as if u have barged to a wrong person..!!

yeah i do believe its an age of globalisation etc...and yeah Indians are doing well and going places because they are quite savvy with English..and hence they are better off than their other Asian and European counterparts..but we do have certain inhibitions, prejudices in our minds against our mother tongue ..we may consider it crude or inferior..and may have always given Hindi a backseat..but this is more because as and when required we have ourselves turned and twisted it to derive a language from it which can only be served at certain obscure and uncelebrated occasions..
call it jingoism or whatever..!!

Btw consig --using C++ in consultancy ?eh ?

Abe nahin yaar. The longest code I have written is shorter than this message:satisfie:. But if other sincere Indians didn't know C++ or Java or whatever it is that coders favor, I wouldn't have any consulting to do Anyways English is to the mind what the regional languages are to the heart. So learn english to survive, Learn you regional language if you wanna maintain an identity. But most of all think GLOBAL and broaden your horizons

"Doosra" doesn't work nowadays... so I "second" anandv and convoluted signal.
Forget Hindi... Learn the Global Language! :D

Respect for the nation does not come only from a language... it comes from within the heart. And the current generation only feels that on 15 Aug, 26 Jan and after watching movies like RDB. So better be practical... be Global!

Ouch, My eyes still hurt

Dude this is the age of globalisation. Learn English first. An entire industry has come into being today because of our English speaking capabilities and hence try and promote that first. As regards Hindi, it is the largest spoken language alright but I don't see what it has got to do with national development. The best developed states in India do not exactly speak Hindi you see So screw all regional jingoism and learn English or C++, will get you a job at the least

I agree the fact that CHina/Japan have progressed a lot even without significant use of English. But one thing that is to be pointed out is that they are majorly in manuf industry and not in service/IT/ITES/BPo industry. And I ve even seen electrical/mech engineers of 80's learning German/Japanese to have a competitive advantage in these industries.
But as far as Indian USP: Biotech+IT is concerned, we ve to go on 2-pronged attack
1.English sikho
2. Strengthen regional langauges so that rural empowerment happens.But in the end we as country have not reached a state like JAp/Chn people who can manage without English

SO if India as a whole feels like progressing then either learn English or remove license raj in manuf sector!

Btw consig --using C++ in consultancy ?eh ?

Soon we're gonna have a generation that will proudly say, "Java is my mothertongue"

Ouch, My eyes still hurt

Dude this is the age of globalisation. Learn English first. An entire industry has come into being today because of our English speaking capabilities and hence try and promote that first. As regards Hindi, it is the largest spoken language alright but I don't see what it has got to do with national development. The best developed states in India do not exactly speak Hindi you see So screw all regional jingoism and learn English or C++, will get you a job at the least

Well said convoluted signal ....

C and english , can get anyone a job in todays scenario ... I dont get this thing , what exactly is meant by respecting hindi .... is speaking english ... disrespecting hindi .. now ways man ... hindi has its own advantages and english its own ...

If we try to impose hindi we end up hating it .. I studied in UP board and there hindi is notorious , it's so damn tuff ... took so much of my crucial time ... that instead of respecting it I ended up hating it ..

regards
shailesh

Ouch, My eyes still hurt

Dude this is the age of globalisation. Learn English first. An entire industry has come into being today because of our English speaking capabilities and hence try and promote that first. As regards Hindi, it is the largest spoken language alright but I don't see what it has got to do with national development. The best developed states in India do not exactly speak Hindi you see So screw all regional jingoism and learn English or C++, will get you a job at the least

Double post

linkinpark_zing Says

why did u say dat dear ?

umm....... i guess it was bcoz
ur font size is too LARGE

rani_das Says

guy/gal u cud go atleast easy wid the fonts........

why did u say dat dear ?

plz send in your views as we guys in college had a debate on dis topic .
1st side- said it shud be done as 4 respect 2 national language n every body shud know it.
second- said it is not necessary as it is near to impossible to implement it in the present scenario taking southern states into consideration,n it is a loss to d nation in doing so as language is not a bar 4 d development of india

guy/gal u cud go atleast easy wid the fonts........