nonsense stratergy from ferrari meant that barichello came 3rd instead of 1st

they got him bottled up time and again behind various drivers like montoya , shumi and ralf time and again

Woohoooooo!!!! 7 outta 8!!! Any doubts on who the greatest (of all time) is? I guess not! ;-)

Anyway, brilliant strategy and stunning pace from Michael....and with Williams having been disqualified, it means Ferrari have a 1-2 finish yet AGAIN!!!!!

Cheers!
Mike

Really interesting grid for the race. I guess with Trulli and Alonso almost guarenteed to move off quickly at the start, the Williamses can come into play :D:D:D:D. Awesome!

As for Sato, what can one say other than......"amateurish".

I think the Ferraris are carrying a bit more fuel perhaps than the others, but that said, it also be the tyres.....either way, starting from 6th and 7th on the grid ain't gonna be easy....let's see what they can manage......MS and RB have said they are "confident" for the race (MS actually speaks of winning also!).....

Mike

and he WON......

proved again that...it doesnt matter where u start ur race...itz the balance b/e speed and strategy that wins races....

Schumi...rulezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

yeah plenty of action but no twist in the tale...
schumacher wins again... boy boring boring..

this guy must have single handedly killed off all the bookie business in F1 and that is unfortunate.... soon F1 might become a game in which people would be interested when their stomachs churn ( as the andhra CM was pointing out)

damn again...

psmith

man .. i am shocked .. plenty of drama on the track .. no need fr daily soaps

pswaroop Says

Ralf at front and BAR and Renaults before the Ferrari intersting , hope that Ferrari looses the candian grandprix. Prefering a Button or a Truli win tonight !!

Too bad dint work out.I had this hunch from the beginning that the ferraris were on a pitstop strategy that involved one less pit than the others.It was the only way out and they did it.Hats off to the ferrari thinktank.

To hell with steve slater and his goddamn calculations and analysis.The ferrari does 2 rounds of 25laps with the fuel and the idiot thinks that the fuel is not enough to reach the chequered flag.Brrrrrrr.........The competition between the ferraris was scary.That idiot steve was commenting without knowing what pit strategies the ferraris were on.It turns out that they were more or less on the same strategy.

Raikkonen finally finishes a race.

We got a demonstration of the safety system built into a F1 car with that horrible brake failure.Its really amazing the kind of safety systems that are incorporated into these machines.Just brilliant.Crashing at 100-150mph and walking outta the car .

Time for some more

Long live schumi........Hoping that the red streak continues at indianapolis......

prad

Ralf at front and BAR and Renaults before the Ferrari intersting , hope that Ferrari looses the candian grandprix. Prefering a Button or a Truli win tonight !!

I think sato got carried away by the applause button recieved . this is the second race in sucession where he has spoiled a pole position chance .

overtaking on the circuit may prove difficlult here , so i think it will be down to pit lane stratergy .

how stupid of sato...but now that he's out of contention all we can hope is some one from williams manages to clinch this one..cant see schumi winning this one yet again..

Really interesting grid for the race. I guess with Trulli and Alonso almost guarenteed to move off quickly at the start, the Williamses can come into play :D:D:D:D. Awesome!

As for Sato, what can one say other than......"amateurish".

I think the Ferraris are carrying a bit more fuel perhaps than the others, but that said, it also be the tyres.....either way, starting from 6th and 7th on the grid ain't gonna be easy....let's see what they can manage......MS and RB have said they are "confident" for the race (MS actually speaks of winning also!).....

Mike

hi everyone.
this is my first message in this site
i used to watch all races upto last year but stopped tis yr bcos it got booooooooring
every time when a race is on i see schumi in the lead and change the channel
f-1 was so exciting last yr i watched every race including the qualifiers
i hope montoya, ralf, kimi, alonso, sato, button & trulli catch up soon
bye

Guess Sato's the biggest jackass in F1 today. He shd learn how to control that gem of a car called BAR. Learn it from JB Sato!

Tell Sato he dont drive a rocket.

Prediction: With ralf in the front row ... first corner crash tomorrow.

cheers
Pushkar

qwezark Says

Sato is gonna win this one....

he he he......buddy....i think he has to bang into both the ferraris and still able to run....to win this time....

Sato is gonna win this one....

Formula 1 is becoming boring had fun watching Mika Hakkinen winning 2 -3 yrs back . Now I just see red ferraris zoom to podium quiet predicatably, Black Mclarens are not even in the frame. Also quiet pleasing to see the BARs and Renault back in form on constructors points. My fav McLaren made my face black before my ferrai friends , these days I don't even discuss !!

ye only 2 more days to go...
canadian GP should be another day in office for schumi and ferrari
they do well in canada ( they do well every where )

what i am looking for is the team BAR...
lets see what is in store....

and to all the ferrari fans... hope that this is another weekend to party

Any predictions for Montreal folks... : ???

Barring schumi blowing his engine or slipping out off the tarmac...i think pretty much nuthing can stop this team from taking the chequered flag here as well.

BAR should be worth keeping an eye on....they are out with a new V10 ........ 10 bhp more this one !!

couger yaar

Sarcasm doesnt merit serious answers. Either it merits re-sarcasm or a ignore.

cheers
Pushkar

I cannot get the exact idea that u are trying to convey....

but still i dont feel that there was any sarcasm in my answer... just was an analysis of the maclaren team....

they did not perform welll... i accept that.... but i personally think that this does not mean that maclaren are completely out......

it is just a matter of their engine being more reliable... they still have a great chasis....

i have said that this year they are no where near the top three teams....
but this team has the driver, mechanics , engineers and most importantly money to claw back from this situation....

LETS WAIT AND SEE

couger yaar

Sarcasm doesnt merit serious answers. Either it merits re-sarcasm or a ignore.

cheers
Pushkar

You are assuming that there are actually more than one ??

This season .... ye seems so...

but it is a fact that everyone has to accept....there was only one team that was capable of competing with ferrari and that was maclaren...

Williams were a close second in that race...
so definitely there will be more that one fan for maclaren...

but if they perform as they are doing this season for say the next 2 years then i think ur statement will become a reality

Guess even DC and Kimi aint McLaren fans anymore ;-)!!
JPM JPM !! Wud luv to see that guy in the Mc ;-)

Tsk Tsk Anil ....
Something just cant happen. To see JPM in a Mc

1. The car needs to run on track enuff ( A Mc wont)
2. The driver needs to be averse to crashes ( JPM ????????? r ukidding me ?)

There are something money cant buy.
For everything else .....

Guess even DC and Kimi aint McLaren fans anymore ;-)!!
JPM JPM !! Wud luv to see that guy in the Mc

No offence to Maclaren fans....

You are assuming that there are actually more than one ??

Montoya will be seriously be thinking about his move to maclaren next year...
as it is his actions and his driving this year in williams is not earning him any accolades...

just imagine his plight when he will be going to a team which is performing as bad as maclaren is doing right now.....

No offence to Maclaren fans....

The only plus I see in the shift to Mclaren from Montoya's point of view is that when he whines about his car next season, he'll actually have something to whine about :wink:.

Apart from that when he and ralf are in different teams ... different cars will be responsible for the crashes.

cheers
Pushkar

torque Says

and next yr its going to be even more amazin with JPM and kimi running in the same team...

The only plus I see in the shift to Mclaren from Montoya's point of view is that when he whines about his car next season, he'll actually have something to whine about :wink:.

torque Says

hey ppl...cant i dream abt my fav machine....listen yaar...i just love that car...and i think from the bottom of my heart that mclaren still can do it...wots wrong in that??? i am very passionate abt mclaren guys...cheers to all and beware u ferrari followers...here we come

LOL. Here you come........where? ;)
No offence meant dude, but really, are you serious? 2nd best this year? Heck, Adrian Newey himself has said that it will take till 2006 for McLaren to be competing with Ferrari again. Face facts. The Scarlet cars are in a league of their own. McLaren themselves have admitted that they are hoping to "close the gap" to Williams and Renault with the new car.......Ferrari are miles ahead......

As for Kimi out-qualifying Schumi, well, as you yourself said......dreams......if wishes were horses.....

But I must say one thing. You must be the biggest McL fan in the world. All the others I know have started supporting "any1 who can beat Michael" :D:D:D:D:D With 0 success obviously!!

Oh and yeah, as and when you wake up, have a coffee :D:D:D:D:D Will help dealing with seeing MS thrash the rest again at Canada and then Indianapolis and then........

Cheers!
Mike

(76 and counting)

hey ppl...cant i dream abt my fav machine....listen yaar...i just love that car...and i think from the bottom of my heart that mclaren still can do it...wots wrong in that??? i am very passionate abt mclaren guys...cheers to all and beware u ferrari followers...here we come

torque Says

still think mclaren are gonna be 2nd best this year...although BAR are really the safest bet currently.....jenson is awesome man...but mclaren are gonna come back hard this season at ferrari and schumi...can already see kimi overtaking schumi in the next race or maybe that neednt happen coz kimi's gonna outqualify schumi itself...how bout that???

YUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

This gets two top awards

1. Best Fiction of the Year
2. Best Humour of the Year

cheers
Lazyone

that a good Dream... but come one be realistic...i have no negative feelings about maclaren...but this is not possible as of now...

the team is in a state of shock... it is obvious.... just 7 races before their driver was running for the drivers champ....

the problem is that we never saw any flaw in their performance last year...
so what has led to such a nose dive in their perofrmance is a issue that can be debated.....

they are a good team and they will come back...
but that will take time....

atleast this year this is not possible...
hope their new car is better than what they have now...

or else friends forget the 2nd best they will end up in the 5th spot.....

ferrari,bar,renault,williams ......

i can understand ur disappointment mclarenfan..even i am a huge mclaren fan....infact hakkinen was the guy who made me drool over the beautiful machine....sigh..he's gone...anyways just cant wait for this new car which they've already tested at silverstone and is really running fast...just wait n watch what kimi is upto...and next yr its going to be even more amazin with JPM and kimi running in the same team...just hand in there...still think mclaren are gonna be 2nd best this year...although BAR are really the safest bet currently.....jenson is awesome man...but mclaren are gonna come back hard this season at ferrari and schumi...can already see kimi overtaking schumi in the next race or maybe that neednt happen coz kimi's gonna outqualify schumi itself...how bout that???

me a die-hard mcLaren fan. its really dissappointing to see their performance this season. wat with engine blow-ups and pathetic performances in the qualifying sessions. Sigggghhh....gone are the days when coulthard showed the middle finger to Schumi and Hakkinen made that amazing slingshot past him in Belgium grand prix couple of years back. it suprises me ....how a can such a competitive car maker like Mercedes deteriorate soo much in one season.

Any news on McLaren guys ?? .......heard they are bringing out their new model arnd the Hockenheim race.
Also is this thingy abt JPM joining McLaren official (read in one of the posts) ??

The FIA is all confused for the simple reason that the manufacturers are threatning to start their own F1 from 2007 if they rnt given more revenue.

If they dont get their act together ... ecclestone will be less rich!

You can't remove these things....let the sport be,.....it's great as it is! Look at the shambles they have made of the qualifying format by trying to make it more "exciting". It's shambolic now!!!!!!
Mike

well i do agree with what to have to say about the qualifying session.....
it used to be a beauty with so much of planning and tactics being applied....

gone are those days when we used to see a driver respond to a quick time set by some other driver.....

much of the changes that were directed mainly to reduce the dominance of ferrari are literarily backfiring now.....one shot or any qualifying we have seen that schumi is the best...
and by introducting the rule that a engine change during the entire race week will lead to a demotion of 10 grid places.....what is F1 thinking...
they have given more advantage now to ferrari....after all they almost never blowup...

reagrding the SC..... still i feel that its not that bad a move...though i accept that in many races we have seen unbelieveable things happen during the SC period....

the mad rush to the pits once the SC was out usually caused lots of confusion...

by closing the window till the formation is made i think lot this fuzz can be removed...

well time will only tell how this rule will work out

torque Says

yea...pretty right when mav says abt forgetting numero uno....even i was a huge mclaren follower...or still am...jus cant figure out why the engine blows out everytime and kimi or dc do not finsih races...come to think of it even baumgartner n bruni finsih most of the time...mclaren are probably the 2nd biggest spenders on the circuit...why is this happening??? anyways think jenson button is the best of the rest...very surprised on how the chasis and balance of that bar has shaped up so beautifully this year considering it used to finish 10 or 11th till last year...awesome driver that man is...and i know jenson's gona take the 2nd place this year...what say guys???

see u cant compare minardi with mclaren

the reason it seems that the car blows up is they r pushing too hard in technical changes ...
anyways if their ideas click then great else anyway they dont get any points for coming outside 8 like minardi do

hope Mclaren solves their reliability issues by 2005 when JPM joins them
and so do williams buck up
we can have a nice fight between Renault
honda and Mclaren williams ..
who knows ferrari might find them too hot to handle

and Maverick

i too feel Sato is a good but overly enthusiastic chap ..
i am sure once he gets a proper feel of F1 he may win a few races
and hope jauques villenauve comes back next yr
so competition will surely hot up

after all, we fans want races to be decided on track .... not on the basis of pit and back lane strategies

Not so sure about this 1. After all, the FIA wants to liven up the sport right? And pit-strategy is in any case one of the most important facets of the sport. After all, there will always be one driver-car combo which will be the fastest (Schumi this year). Do we wanna see him win EVERY race uncontested? Personally, I wouldn't mind that happening, but yeah, for excitement, you would want to see some wheel-to-wheel racing or at least seeing the drivers really sweat it out for the win.

The best way teams can make this happen is by pit-strategy. Like I said before......if you wanna remove this "unfair advantage" thingy, you may as well have the FIA dictating what strategies the teams should have......

It's part of the excitement knowing that strategies can differ and that ONE smart move could change everything!!!!

And if you find it "unfair", then wasn't the Silverstone race of '98 unfair? Hakk was 40+secs clear of MS. It rained. Out came the SC. MS closed right up, as soon as the SC went off, MS blasted past Hakk, took a 28s lead and won the race despite a 10s stop-go penalty...... these things happen and are part and parcel of the sport! It goes one side this weekend and the opposite the next race weekend! Ultimately, it all evens up :D:D:D:D

You can't remove these things....let the sport be,.....it's great as it is! Look at the shambles they have made of the qualifying format by trying to make it more "exciting". It's shambolic now!!!!!!

Cheers!
Mike

I seriously dont get what the FIA is trying to do with these new rules... on one side they want to reduce MS chances of winning again and again by changing the point systems and on one side they get in rules that will help the team with the better and more consistent car which undoubtably happens to be FERRARI... so as far as my interpretation goes they are bound to make F1 boring by this kinda rules... ( i may be wrong but this is my gut feeling)...

these rules by F1 now a days are more focussed on eliminating the advantage that can be gained by the team in the pits.

more and more rules are being formulated with the sole aim that the winner of the race is the best driver on track....

just look at the last race at monace... how on earth could button had caught hold of MS... he dived into the pits as soon as the SC came out...


i dont think that this is fair.... it is like removing the excitement of racing... a driver (MS) who drove absolutely stunning laps 10-18 would not have any advantage left...

i think that this rule should bring some sanity back to the off track activities....

after all, we fans want races to be decided on track .... not on the basis of pit and back lane strategies

Spiderman Says

THe safety car rule wil bring more uncertainty into F!1 guys . yeah it will throw startergy out of the window . good for the viewing public i say . one gotta have reserves for a lap atleast wen one pits . if he doesnt , isnt the team a foolish team .? anyway its something like the rain . even rain throws startergy out of the window .

Errrr.......good for the viewing public? Not so sure......after all, it's strategy that enables a car that may not be the fastest to gain positions and at times even WIN races against superior machinery.....by bringing in this rule, all they are ensuring is that the fastest car+driver combo will NOT suffer due to an inferior strategy...... essentially it removes the luck and thinking factor from safety car situations.

Take Monaco for example. Button would never have caught MS. Yet, by diving in and outta the pits under the SC, while MS stayed out, Button was in an amazing position to finish ahead of MS (had MS finished)....barring some absolutely stunning laps by Michael.With the new rule, this will just not be possible.......

Cheers!
Mike

THe safety car rule wil bring more uncertainty into F!1 guys . yeah it will throw startergy out of the window . good for the viewing public i say . one gotta have reserves for a lap atleast wen one pits . if he doesnt , isnt the team a foolish team .? anyway its something like the rain . even rain throws startergy out of the window .

hey mike

if that rule comes on ... bet all ur points on the fact that all teams will call in their driver for a stop wiht fuel enuff to go for 2 laps more.

Secondly most stops are strategic in the sense that most cars generally have fuel to do another lap or two and are called in so that a clear piece of track is ensured upon exit

cheers
Pushkar

Hey Mike

I had a different interpretation when i read the rule.
I think waht it means is that PitLane closed till all the cars line up behind the safety car. Once that is done lane will be re-opened. So it may mean only about 2 laps more than scheduled pitstop for the car that might have been planning one.

But yes. .it does throw strategy outta the window. I agree its a daft rule!

cheers
Pushkar

Errrr.....that's the point!!! What if it was the LAST lap....the poor guy only has enough fuel to reach the pits...you know how F1 is....that's the way it is done...you exploit the very last bit left! So essentially this guy is gonna have to do some extra mileage for which he doesn't have the gas!!! So what does he do????

Mike

Hey Mike

I had a different interpretation when i read the rule.
I think waht it means is that PitLane closed till all the cars line up behind the safety car. Once that is done lane will be re-opened. So it may mean only about 2 laps more than scheduled pitstop for the car that might have been planning one.

But yes. .it does throw strategy outta the window. I agree its a daft rule!

cheers
Pushkar

Well, I dunno really. About that safety car rule....
Imagine this.....a driver is doing some REALLY hot laps before coming into the pits for his final stop (or any other, if it comes to that), and just as he is running on the last drops of fuel on his last lap, there's a crash and the SC comes out......now he's not allowed to pit!! So what does he do? Is there a provision for that? Or is it just gonna be a case of the FIA saying "Too bad!"......this was the first thing that sprang to my mind when I heard about this daft rule. I mean, OK, the "no warning" about when the SC will pull off is fine. Perfect. Element of surprise and all that. But the pit-lane being closed doesn't seem to make sense to me. There will always be winners and losers in that scenario. And after all, if some team gets a benefit out of the timing of a pit-stop, what's wrong? That's exactly what the teams on the pit-wall are supposed to do. Devise strategies!!!

Next thing you know, the FIA will say that every driver will have fixed strategies and have to pit on the same laps, to avoid an "unfair advantage" to people like Michael who are faster than the others in that window and manage to gain many positions that way.....anyway, let's see how it goes....

Personally I find the new qualifying format a lot more interesting :D:D:D:D:D

Cheers!
Mike

The new points system has one good thing that 8 drivers are rewarded with points.
But i guess it will be better if 1st place gets 12 points ..i.e. 4 pts more than 2nd.

That was 1st finish is not dealt with unfairly and yet the whole system is more competetive.

As far as Barri is concerned ...well he is good. But being 2nd doesnt mean he is the 2nd best driver there.
Button seems to be the better driver ... maybe even Alonso for that matter.

JPM is a Ch*** . Ralf is worse than a taxi driver. DC ...wtf is he ??? and Raikkonen ..well he cant even spell luck these days.

Pushkar

i doubt about button being the 2nd best in the drivers
the schumi show has been steam rolling at one end....
but dont forget the contributions of Barichello..
remember he is only 14 points behind...
so that guy is pretty consistent....

it would be hard to dethrone him from the 2nd step....

Well time will only say what is in store

:-)

yea...pretty right when mav says abt forgetting numero uno....even i was a huge mclaren follower...or still am...jus cant figure out why the engine blows out everytime and kimi or dc do not finsih races...come to think of it even baumgartner n bruni finsih most of the time...mclaren are probably the 2nd biggest spenders on the circuit...why is this happening??? anyways think jenson button is the best of the rest...very surprised on how the chasis and balance of that bar has shaped up so beautifully this year considering it used to finish 10 or 11th till last year...awesome driver that man is...and i know jenson's gona take the 2nd place this year...what say guys???

anyone read about the changes the FIA is set to make in the safety car regulations ? i hope it clicks . :)

ye read it today,
this is a good one...
the pit window closed when the safety car is out...
thats really a good decision

many drivers used to take advantage of the safety car situation...
now it would be proper racing...

Hope that this stratergy works...
:-)

JPM's podium finish in 5 races till now proves it :-)

u talking bout JPM or JB?

points system well , i think the best thing to come out of the points system is that the middle runners - saubers,toyotas ,hondas have something to fight for now - earlier all of them used to finish out of the top 6 so they all had nothing to fight for

anyone read about the changes the FIA is set to make in the safety car regulations ? i hope it clicks .

And considering the fact that Schumi car hasnt ditched him since April 2001, I guess the only way someone's gonna stop him from winning the remaining is exactly wat JPM did in Monaco ;-)
Talking abt Sato, guess he's a lil too high on enthusiasm. He shd realise that he shd learn to be patient, as he's still a rookie. He drives too hard on that BAR of his. In Monaco he tried to pull out a stunner and fucked up the engine. Same case in Europe. The BARs hv been performing exceptionally well, and JB seems to handle them in the best way possible. Actions speak louder than words. JPM's podium finish in 5 races till now proves it :-)
Anyway I dont see any point in discussing abt the Numero Uno post here on this thread. Lets discuss abt the 2nd and 3rd place

Me a fan of McLaren and I can't see McLAren no where in the standings good to see BARs and Renaults leading ahead of williama and it seems like gameover for McLaren this Season

but I really think that this new points system sucks! I mean, Michael has WON 6 outta 7 races and is still just 14 points ahead of RB who hasn't won a race at all!!!! Not totally fair,

MVB,
yup...this was the problem last year also... remember Raikkinon getting 2 places and 3 places...

F1 now does not reward winning races.... this is pathetic... how can the winner and the second place guy have a diffeerence in the points as 2....

they say this scoring system has made F1 more interesting....but i am not convinced with this....

rememeber the last race of 2003.... schumi had to get only 1 point... that he did with out any problem by coming 8th...
now where is the competitive spirit....

had it been the old system... schumi would have not been the WC ( anyways if the old system would have been then the last race was just a mere formality....)

anyways as of now this season is going really good for schumi and ferrari...

what do u guys feel about the daring move sato tried on rubino that eventually cost sato the race . and any comments on klien and his antics ?

I wouldn't call that daring. It was asinine in my opinion. Sato was clearly faster than Barrichello and as Rubens admitted in the post-race press-con, if he had waited till the next lap, when he would have been closer, he would almost certainly have been able to pull it off....and there were LOTS of laps remaining....as Rubens said "ameteurish" move.

As for Michael, what can one say? 17s ahead after 7 laps!!! There were 2 races going on....Michael in 1 race and the rest in the second!

Constructors' Race is well and truly over.....but I really think that this new points system sucks! I mean, Michael has WON 6 outta 7 races and is still just 14 points ahead of RB who hasn't won a race at all!!!! Not totally fair, if you ask me......Anyway, I don't think even the dumb system is gonna stop the 7th title now. :D:D:D:D What form that guy is in!!!!

Cheers!
Mike

PS: I think that the wins record (11 in a year - 2002) and points haul record (144) are gonna get SMASHED this year!!!!
:drinking::drinking:

way to go MICHAEL.......but this time i expected
WILLIAMS to do better and RALF was a sure bet
its very unfortunate that he had to retire at the start itself......this guy had taken the podium last year(am I right???????)...RAIKKONEN's was a disappointment as well as was SATO'S.....he narrowly missed the podium....it would have been the first for him and a japanese driver in over a decade and a half....
that just sums it up.......

maclaren have lost it completely...
in the quest for extra speed they have compromised on the realiability

i think they forgot that u have to complete the race to get some points...

Sato was a big disappointment...
there was no need for that overtalking move that he did...
plenty of laps and he could have waited for the right oppurtunity...

Klein.... good driver.... kept montoya behind for some time....
but also has to see the rear mirrors.....blue flags waving but no intentions to move over to the side to give the front runners a clear pass.....

HATS OFF TO SCHUMI AND FERRARI

tifosi Says

Anyone crazy enough to bet on a McLaren win this year?? Even one solitary win?!!

Solitary Win ?? Isnt that too much for asking ? I want to see a race where both DC and Kimi finish. Thats all

Anyone crazy enough to bet on a McLaren win this year?? Even one solitary win?!!

missed the race....
hope to c the recording.........