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In the first 4 months nothing improved. just classes and some sectional tests. Never ever we were tested with actual papers. Then came the summer vacation. Convinced my parents and stayed back in vizag so that, i can attend classes as well as take some tests. But I have absolutely no plan or no idea of the amount of work to put in to crack CAT. Neither i am sure about what colleges i want to apply and what is it i am looking for in the whole ordeal. 2 months were a breeze Dear prem_ravi,
Unarguably the most inspiring journey towards CAT in this thread. I've always believed that any goal in this world is achieveable provided we persevere and work with a phenonmenol zeal towards achieving the goals. Your example has just strengthened my belief. Kudos to you for your efforts!
You personify what others may call "dogged determination to succeed no matter what the obstacles are", I've always yearned for stories like yours, today am priviledged to read a post from you.
I wish you the very best with your call.
May success touch you soon.
Best regards,
-Anupam will Return
Here comes a middle aged 30 year Old man with his own story behind CAT....
Well as most us here I hail from a rural Back ground, a very very small town in interior Tamilnadu where it is very hard to find even a Good State Board School..For most of my Townmates life till Standard 12 is confined only to my town & I was no exception...When I finished my Standard 12 believe me I didn't knew that there is something called as JMET, there is something called as REC...Those days all I wanted to do is an MBBS from Madras Medical College which I lost by just 3 marks...I still remember that day when I sat in a corridor of MMC & literally broke down to tears..My Ignorance costed me a lot..For REC other state quota during those days one needed 98 marks in Physics, Chemistry & Maths & I had a 99.5..& this I came to know after joining a DOTE II college..Alas, Time went by & I too finished Engg with 58.4% inspite of so many family issues...
Even with a paltry 58.4%, I could win myself a Job through Campus Placement & joined an IT company as Software Sales Executive..Believe me the 1st 2 years of my career were the impetus for what Iam today..Toiling in Hot Chennai Sun with a Hero Puch..Going as far as 50 Kms in that to do Sales Calls..Sometimes forced to take lunch sitting on the sordid roadsides of PetroChemical refineries...Cant describe much as every Sales Guy knows this....
In 2002 wanted to write CAT, but as my Sister was getting married I was forced to drop..
Then in 2003 I got married & became a parent in 2004...But those Dreams about CAT & IIM were still there in my mind & were searching for a reason to come out & I got the reason in July 2005, when I lost IBM intw to an IIMB guy...
There started my journey towards CAT...
It was never easy to compete with young & fresh minds.....
Many a times, I had to take my book late in the night after my daughter went to bed...
There had been days, when I was awake through out the night, Go to office the next day morning...
For about 1 & 1/2 years it was like an academic cum official life..........a focussed & targetted life...
Jan 2, when I saw my percentile I was almost broken with disappointment & it was my wife as usual who supported me by saying, wait u may get a call
Jan 3, her words came true..I got a call from IIMA....As many said it was for this moment I had fought hard for about 1 & 1/2 years...
Now I whole heartedly Thank my Wife without whom I wouldn't have reached so far, my parents who had been motivating, my friends who stood by me whenever i needed & still helping me in converting this call & most of all my Daughter who had been my inspiration & GOD's wonderful gift to me...
For people taking CAT 2007:-
I have seen so many posting in PG saying that Iam in college final year cant focus on CAT or Iam working in a MNC cant focus on CAT....Take this from me if you work hard & determined, nothing is impossible..At the age of 30, with loads of responsibilities & a family to take care when I can, why cant you??????????.
Here comes a middle aged 30 year Old man with his own story behind CAT....
Well as most us here I hail from a rural Back ground, a very very small town in interior Tamilnadu where it is very hard to find even a Good State Board School..For most of my Townmates life till Standard 12 is confined only to my town & I was no exception...When I finished my Standard 12 believe me I didn't knew that there is something called as JMET, there is something called as REC...Those days all I wanted to do is an MBBS from Madras Medical College which I lost by just 3 marks...I still remember that day when I sat in a corridor of MMC & literally broke down to tears..My Ignorance costed me a lot..For REC other state quota during those days one needed 98 marks in Physics, Chemistry & Maths & I had a 99.5..& this I came to know after joining a DOTE II college..Alas, Time went by & I too finished Engg with 58.4% inspite of so many family issues...
Even with a paltry 58.4%, I could win myself a Job through Campus Placement & joined an IT company as Software Sales Executive..Believe me the 1st 2 years of my career were the impetus for what Iam today..Toiling in Hot Chennai Sun with a Hero Puch..Going as far as 50 Kms in that to do Sales Calls..Sometimes forced to take lunch sitting on the sordid roadsides of PetroChemical refineries...Cant describe much as every Sales Guy knows this....
In 2002 wanted to write CAT, but as my Sister was getting married I was forced to drop..
Then in 2003 I got married & became a parent in 2004...But those Dreams about CAT & IIM were still there in my mind & were searching for a reason to come out & I got the reason in July 2005, when I lost IBM intw to an IIMB guy...
There started my journey towards CAT...
It was never easy to compete with young & fresh minds.....
Many a times, I had to take my book late in the night after my daughter went to bed...
There had been days, when I was awake through out the night, Go to office the next day morning...
For about 1 & 1/2 years it was like an academic cum official life..........a focussed & targetted life...
Jan 2, when I saw my percentile I was almost broken with disappointment & it was my wife as usual who supported me by saying, wait u may get a call
Jan 3, her words came true..I got a call from IIMA....As many said it was for this moment I had fought hard for about 1 & 1/2 years...
Now I whole heartedly Thank my Wife without whom I wouldn't have reached so far, my parents who had been motivating, my friends who stood by me whenever i needed & still helping me in converting this call & most of all my Daughter who had been my inspiration & GOD's wonderful gift to me...
For people taking CAT 2007:-
I have seen so many posting in PG saying that Iam in college final year cant focus on CAT or Iam working in a MNC cant focus on CAT....Take this from me if you work hard & determined, nothing is impossible..At the age of 30, with loads of responsibilities & a family to take care when I can, why cant you??????????.
Here comes a middle aged 30 year Old man with his own story behind CAT....
Well as most us here I hail from a rural Back ground, a very very small town in interior Tamilnadu where it is very hard to find even a Good State Board School..For most of my Townmates life till Standard 12 is confined only to my town & I was no exception...When I finished my Standard 12 believe me I didn't knew that there is something called as JMET, there is something called as REC...Those days all I wanted to do is an MBBS from Madras Medical College which I lost by just 3 marks...I still remember that day when I sat in a corridor of MMC & literally broke down to tears..My Ignorance costed me a lot..For REC other state quota during those days one needed 98 marks in Physics, Chemistry & Maths & I had a 99.5..& this I came to know after joining a DOTE II college..Alas, Time went by & I too finished Engg with 58.4% inspite of so many family issues...
Even with a paltry 58.4%, I could win myself a Job through Campus Placement & joined an IT company as Software Sales Executive..Believe me the 1st 2 years of my career were the impetus for what Iam today..Toiling in Hot Chennai Sun with a Hero Puch..Going as far as 50 Kms in that to do Sales Calls..Sometimes forced to take lunch sitting on the sordid roadsides of PetroChemical refineries...Cant describe much as every Sales Guy knows this....
In 2002 wanted to write CAT, but as my Sister was getting married I was forced to drop..
Then in 2003 I got married & became a parent in 2004...But those Dreams about CAT & IIM were still there in my mind & were searching for a reason to come out & I got the reason in July 2005, when I lost IBM intw to an IIMB guy...
There started my journey towards CAT...
It was never easy to compete with young & fresh minds.....
Many a times, I had to take my book late in the night after my daughter went to bed...
There had been days, when I was awake through out the night, Go to office the next day morning...
For about 1 & 1/2 years it was like an academic cum official life..........a focussed & targetted life...
Jan 2, when I saw my percentile I was almost broken with disappointment & it was my wife as usual who supported me by saying, wait u may get a call
Jan 3, her words came true..I got a call from IIMA....As many said it was for this moment I had fought hard for about 1 & 1/2 years...
Now I whole heartedly Thank my Wife without whom I wouldn't have reached so far, my parents who had been motivating, my friends who stood by me whenever i needed & still helping me in converting this call & most of all my Daughter who had been my inspiration & GOD's wonderful gift to me...
For people taking CAT 2007:-
I have seen so many posting in PG saying that Iam in college final year cant focus on CAT or Iam working in a MNC cant focus on CAT....Take this from me if you work hard & determined, nothing is impossible..At the age of 30, with loads of responsibilities & a family to take care when I can, why cant you??????????.

ciao everybody...
I don't like the reservation criteria for disabled students...it should only b need-based...
i.e. as per reqmt , like GMAT....
Tk my example, I lost my right hand in Army....decide to call it shots!!...broke sweat.... prepared for GMAT (which gave me some more time since i used my modified left hand...) got well deserved 98 percentile...got thru into ISB...
Thn I gave CAT half-heartedly, n now...for obvious reasons even after geettin a casual 93, call from IIM A,C, et al...
doesn't mk sense, I didn't need a quota for it, I wud've studied if i wanted to join...newayz...
With my exp, I wud go for ISB, but the sys is makin a mockery out of it...I didn't need this resvn, maybe 5mins more for such a case wud've been sufficient...
Newayz, hope my givin way will mk place 4 others...n hope tht in future, necessary changes will b incorporated
ATB ppl!!
ciao
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Its folly not to soak them up before nipping off to school. Does it become personal for folk who keep hammering at it for ages and are not able to make it? Might be. It did for me this year and I paid the price. But how. I am now hacking away at a job in a firm I love. At the cost of CAT. And a rather more conducive path for me than anything MBA for the next year and years to come.
I sorely miss the Gang though. The halycon days of months gone not too long ago seem to be truly gone.
I was a restrained newbie there, mind you,cos it seemed I was never going to post anything on the site at all, all that I needed to know, was already there, in some post, some thread or the other. I missed a big point back then itself, which cost me dear two Sundays back, which I hope will alert at least a single person after reading this: there are thousands others who are having the same blue eyed gaze as we have, never ever underestimate their capabilities along with having confidence in ourselves.
, the first mock was the pg-cav one, did pretty well apart from the di section. Made notes in the sheet, I marked on the poster in my room as to what I should do, asked seniors, concluded: I needed to get my basics right! Man what a conclusion! As if I didnt know that! see folks, I can utter loads of proverbs to define my cat story, but I guess none of them could be so apt as: making a mountain out of a mole hill.continuing,then came the sim-s,sim-1 was torrid to say the least a sub-4000 air for me. Same story in sim-2 too, I was alarmed, whats happening. I didnt take sim-3...yes, .i was back to analyzing, I thought about first studying what I had to rectify, rather than having a half-shot at it.sim-4 onwards, things started 2 look up, in the remaining 5.the lowest I had was a 95 percentile, highest being in the much hyped 7th simcat, where I had a 98.xx%le, the bubble was back, this time it was about peaking at the right time. I was speaking the cat-speak alright.i did everything right na? Then how on earth could it go wrong??well,deep inside I had that answer too, but I didnt pay heed to it at all, may be I need to pay attention to my basics a bit more,rather than paying too much attention to these extraneous details, may be I need to focus a bit more, you never know what you will get on that fateful day. honestly speaking, barring a less than adequate prep for quant., I did most of it right, I relaxed properly, I learnt what I just had to, I analyzed my mocks, learnt from them, discussed with previous cat-takers, I concentrated on what I knew more, (read English) and sharpened my without pen on paper approach, I think I am good at it, but then..Ok more on that later...
.thus I will try to collate as much ,of what I suppose I did right:satisfie: , and more of what I shouldnt have done:( , as possible in here. And on a very selfishly personal front: man, do I need to shout out loud, yaar!!
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@no_speed_limit and Kamal B
query:
whenever i take a test the first question i attempt usually consumes a lot of time no matter what i choose. due to this i become nervous and then my comprehension power drops down drastically. all the figures, charts, numbers, words everything makes no sense. maybe i dont have the temprament. as the test progresses i accelerate fairly well but this start and loss of intial concentration really pulls my marks down. what should i do? i have had to pay heavily due to this. please help.
thanks in advance,
Deepak
a really helpful post....
well,i have a query..... n it may sound foolish.but mi problem is whether i give 10 min to quant or 1 hr i never manage to clear the cutoffs in quant... in the mocks. other wise i m consistently above 95 percentile in the mocks.....!!
what should i do??? will th s quant virus. eat up mi chance at cat????
can sum1 help me please? what should i do???
Great post yaar, really inspiring. I appreciate it.
I have problem with my RC and DI. My reading speed is around 160 if I try to understand the passage fully. What r the strategies to improve. And also my DI score in SIMCATS are very low(single digits)...
any body plzzzzzzzzz help me out
Rajpal
Hey All CAT 2007 ASPIRANTS
I am a first year student of IIM Calcutta. I have a work experience of IT Sales of 2.5 yrs. An electrical engineer. Not very extraordinary extracurriculars..
Here are my two cents on your CAT Preparation..I dont want it to be very long post,
1. Am I late : No trust me, u are not. Sept and oct are good enough to see u thru..
2. Does work ex fetch extra advantage for GD/PI calls: Very little in gd/pi calls..even if you have 3 yrs+work ex, u have to have 99%ile atleast to see an IIM call.
3. Does work ex fetch extra advantage for final calls: Dont bother with this question now. Get a call first..then We ll answer this one.
4. Freshers: There's absolutely nothing to worry. Each IIM has a large no of freshers..If you have it in you, nobody can stop u just bcoz u are a fresher..however, since u have an advantage in terms of time available, put more time..as simple..
5. QA: the best thing is to start timing urself..get available last yrs papers of TIME,IMS,CL and so on..Dont bother too much aboput pattern..no body knows what surprises are going to unfold..just concentrate on content..the types of qs are not going to change, only the pattern of presentation..
6. VA: Yes, this is the section which makes all the difference..even if u are the best in quant, u cant possibly get 25 there..but if u are good here..u surely can get more than that here..which can raise ur percentile highly..
7. DI : do one puzzle everday..The last yrs CAT styles..that shd suffice..
8. I am bad in this or that section : no one is good in all the sections..trust me no one..clear the cutoff of weak section, maximize the good section..
9. I am bad in all the three sections : Give CAT this year as an experience, Target CAT 2008. u can surely do it..if not now, may be next yr..
10.What is the KEy to success in CAT..
I would say the key is Passion..Be passionate abour CAT till the last day..study hard..
CAT Is made up of 3 things:
C - concentration ( of effort, of strategy, of tactics)
A - attitude ( do whatever, if u dont have this, nothing can change ur luck)
T - Time management ( those 2 hrs, managing time is extremely crucial)..
11. Reading editorials of a good newspaper really helps..
12. Dont bother too much about building vocab at this point of time( just a personal opinion)..if u are already into it..or ur strategy permits, then go ahead..
13.shd i study 10 hrs a day? absolutely not..dont burn ur self out..probably 3-4 hrs is more than enough..if u are full time into CAT, then maybe 5-6 hrs..absolutely not more than that..
14. Chillax and enjoy at times..watching a weekend movie or sitting a night out with friends will not prevent u from claring CAT..
15. ANy further queries, shot up..
ATB guys..
I could do it..so can u..![]()
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Regards
Safal
vyjayanthi Sayswow!this post is really inspiring for me..can you suggest me few tips for cracking quant with high score?
Thanks Kamal. After reading your post, i really feel motivated and feel myself to be Alexander ready to conquer the whole world.
I am aiming CAT 2007. I have a query that should i start solving quantitative section just now on the basis of time, i mean should i monitor how much time i take to solve a single sum.
Thanks
Regards
Hi friends,
I am with pagalguy for 2 years. Last year I got 95 %ile. This year I am writing mock cats but my scores are not upto the mark. Earlier I used to score around 40-45. This year I've not been able to cross 35 in 6 mocks so far. Generally I score very less in DI (single digit). Maths I score around 10-12. My scores in EU/RC has gone down as well. Earlier I used to score around 16-18 but now I score around 12-13. I am an alumnus of IIT working in a software firm. I had some personal problems due to which I could not study well previously but since last two months I've been studying at my best. I am unable to concentrate in the exams at times. y number of attempts also go down. I am sad I am not able to exploit my potential to its fullest. Now I am thinking of writing mockcats every 3 days to accustom myself to the paper patttern. Please help me out. I am not a bad student but very poor at solving puzzles. I try at home but fumble at exam hall.
pssst pssssst
Please suggest me remedies.
I will be grateful to you
A prospective IIMite.
1. How many times should someone be attempting CAT? Increasing Ive seen quite a few people doing much better in the 2nd or 3rd attempt. Comments.
2. What kind of work exp is ideally suited for an MBA in India. Does it really matter / help? For all those who got in without any work ex, did youll feel any difference. And esp. now is retrospective what would you have rather done?
1. How many times should someone be attempting CAT? Increasing Ive seen quite a few people doing much better in the 2nd or 3rd attempt. Comments.
2. What kind of work exp is ideally suited for an MBA in India. Does it really matter / help? For all those who got in without any work ex, did youll feel any difference. And esp. now is retrospective what would you have rather done?
Thanks,
Chinmaya Chitlangia
I came, I sawI purred!
CAT: How I ruined it?
June of 2005. That was when I had made the brightest decision of my life (supposedly) - to take CAT. And, to crack it. Like a black-belt cracks the marble slabs. I wasnt kidding myself. I had always been a bright girl at school, in college and every which where. So it wasnt a far cry for me.
November 20th was the CAT DAY. And I was determined to say to myself (when the results are out) I came, I saw, I conquered!
I began my voyage.
I joined a coaching institute. Many kids and many of them not-quite-kids were catting. Catting? Yeah, thats the term for the designation you get for about six to eight months when you are preparing for CAT, and more specifically when you have joined a battalion (of coaching institute people) to go to the CAT war and fight right.
They gave us a handful of basic fundas books to begin with, to be mastered in a months time. I brought them home, kept them on the study table, admired the look of them, chalked out a schedule (to be strictly followed) to accommodate all the knowledge that they contained, and was too tired after a long day of doing all this. So I dozed off.
Came July. And I found myself blaming June. For being such a lazy hot month, that I could not even master the basics. I said to my self Its never too late.
I had come. I had seen. I was yet to conquer. How could I possibly have given up?!
I designed another schedule, a stricter one; one that was meant to make up for a months loss of studies. First few days were in parity with the same, outlined by a constant struggle in the quant section. Mathematics was never my cup of tea. And there was I trying to smell the coffee. And while juggling with it, Coke and irritation were my constant companion. DI/DS behaved like the monsoon that year. It came late to me; and sometimes the questions would happen, sometimes they just wouldnt. I couldnt understand the pattern of DI/DS for many days. Weatherman couldnt understand that of monsoon. I was not the one at fault as far as DI/DS was concerned. Its unpredictability was to be blamed. Plus the heat due to the delay in monsoons.
They say every dark cloud has a silver lining. For me, it was the Verbal section. Except that when I began doing the Reading Comprehension, I would start appreciating the passage rather than concentrating on answering the questions. Then one fine day it occurred to me that passages appear in the test paper so that the accompanying questions are answered, and speedily. The verbal trainer at the insti was good, the only person I liked there perhaps. So I bought her advice to concentrate on answering the questions, and leave the language appreciation part for the time after the 20th of November. I was on the right track.
By the day, my frustration curve grew steeper (thanks to maths) and learning curve flatter (thanks to maths again). Maths section tests were quantum disasters. DI/DS as unpredictable as ever. Sometimes way too good. At other times just as bad. My performance in DI/DS section on graphical representation would have looked like an ECG report.
And did I mention somewhere that it was August already. Time for mock tests. Needless to say, mock tests mocked at me really well. I checked the vital signs of my performance. Preparation - okay (okay?! I was trying hard to treat myself well!) Accuracy directly proportional to percentile (which never exceeded 75). Speed snails.
Now I had to work out a rescue plan. I could not have saved face. But saving grace was the need of the hour. I decided to limit the portion that I would focus on, to bypass the guys like trigonometry, progressions, advanced algebra, et al. and to give a go by to a lot of incomprehensible stuff in DI/DS. I was beyond them (or was it the other way round?) English was my forte. So I gave less time to it. It would just happen. And, then I started a race against time. The plan seemed to be working. My percentiles at the mocks improved. Still I was far, far away from Julius Caesar, from conquering. At the last but third mock test 80 percentile. I said to myself, Not bad. And then, Not good either!
80 percentile. And, in subsequent tests, I got stuck there. Weather changed. My CAT prep status didnt change much. Why? Because, you can only go so far when you have not polished your basics well. The coaching-insti people do not give you funda-books for decorating on the table and admiring their look. They are meant to be stirred well and digested.
The red letter day had arrived. By this time, I had become dispassionate. Thats what you do when the world looks materialistic with no meaning for existence! I went to the CAT center - feeling like a zombie. Found my place in the hall. Sunk in. My fate in the form of CAT question paper came. The invigilator gave a few instructions, which my mind did not register. Then he said, Start. I started.
I began with Verbal Section. Just to feel good. Handled the little ones first; sentence correction, contextual usage, parajumbles, and the like. Then I moved on to the RC; completed three passages in 17 minutes. Next took up the quant section. It did look bad in the beginning. Oh yes, there were a few suckers as expected. I took good care of them. Did not even care to take a peek at the questions which had their origin in my un-favorite and un-prepared topics. It was not a wise thing to do however. Because, suckers in a CAT paper are sometimes found in the most unlikely of places. After having a tough time there, I headed towards tougher times. The DI section. Time was flying, and I was almost crawling. Whatever I did in this section, I did it in 20 minutes. And, against anticipation, it was not all that bad. Decent, if not good.
Times up. And that was that. I had just wasted my first attempt at CAT. I wasnt devastated. Just then I had become a stoic. And asked myself, By the way, who was Julius Caesar?
I came, I sawI purred.
When I recovered after a week or so, I decided to reflect upon the whole drama. I could see clearly the mistakes that I had made, and the right things that I did not do. The list looked something like this:
Study schedule in one word - funny. It was downright unrealistic. Could have been more real and flexible.
Consistency nil. One day I studied for six hours. The next day I was partying. The third day, I dedicated to feeling guilty and making alternate study plans. Believing that the plan would work from the following day, I took a break that day (God knows from what?). Could have been consistent with three hours of studies everyday.
Basic concepts - far from satisfactory. Could have spared some time in memorizing those formulae, and doing the less-challenging questions and thereby gaining confidence. And, then the switch to the tough ones would have been easier.
Inability to identify my strong and weak areas. Consequently, inability to leverage on the strong areas and to convert the weak areas into comfortable ones.
Time-management or shall I say time-mismanagement. Lack of a strong conceptual foundation never allowed me to keep a check on my speed. I kept struggling for accuracy that speed never got its fair share. Hence, ended up spending almost an hour on Quant section, and 20 minutes on DI/DS. Time-management is indispensable. I should have known.
When it comes to CAT, practice or the lack of it makes all the difference. What more can I say?
And every one should have one strong area to hold on to. That instills the feel-good factor in the entire CAT scene. Mine was Verbal. It really did help.
Most importantly, never idolize Caesar. He never took CAT anyway. Do not try to conquer CAT. Just bell it. Be real. Make real plans in real time. Adhere. Adjust. Attempt.
All that matters is performance. And that depends on preparation and a good attitude.
When you take CAT, only two things happen. Either you make it or you dont.
I didnt. You can.
Crisp
PS.: I forgot to mention the result. 80 percentile.
But with failure, success, dejection, elation all in it.


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long live the beagles
a tribute to anandv and his bullocks .
for bugs and ananta

gone for a year now
towards the project .. despite having spent an average of 15 *productive* hours per day in the lab :(


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Thanks so much.....and well, I have left my office and there wasnt really much fan following as such
....Hope things look up for me in the future
Yaar, I am leaving for Cochin on 13th...So will just miss the meet by one day...am alredy feeling so upset coz of that....So sorry !! Hope we do meet soon
And then is the clincher- its just an exam!
Surely...its more than just an exam?!
I am honoured to say the least.
Apart from that, I joined a postal course of another coaching class to get some added variety.
I had decided that in every paper I solve till CAT, my sole focus in Quants would be to select the sitters. I would make a note after every paper stating the no. of sitters I missed and why did I miss those.
I was more so happy coz this time, I cleared all cut offs, even Quants.

, when suddenly I thought lets go to my coaching insti, tell them the good news about VGSOM and thank them for all they have done for me. I went in and met the same prof there who was my mentor during CAT prep. I told him about my success/decision and expected a hug and celebrations from him. To my utter surprise, all I got from him was a wry smile and concern written all over his face. He signalled me to sit down.
But both mom and dad also understood that my reasoning is good enough and if I am ready to slog it out for another year and aim for the best, they have no problems. It was a heart to heart chat with my parents and they supported me fully.Your report does not guarantee removal of this content from the site. It will be removed altogether only if a Moderator finds it especially useless after reviewing it.