@onegoal, dude, whr r u heading and what is ur profile. can u share?

@onegoal dude, where r u heading and what is ur profile. can u share?

do anyone has any idea about the govt. of india guideliness about withdrawing of fees. As per IIM-U , you can withdraw your admission as per GOI guideliness. Not very sure what is the time frame for that . IIM-Rp is giving 20 days to withdraw the offer. So I shall assume that this can be the GOI gudeliness but not very sure . please share if you any idea about this.

yes agreed that you are moving into the best b school in the country but that doesn't give you a license to roam around in threads and use terms like 'babysit' ! you are still a would be 'fuchaa' my dear and you have still have a year before we can talk on the same level. :biggrin:

if you think that i am saying this without having any knowledge whatsoever of WIMWI, just know that i know almost everything about IIMA. my brother happens to be a student there

comparing colleges is mostly done by aspirants and we don't blame them for that. once you become a part of the system you get to know of so many hitherto unknown facts. The college that you are so gung ho about was left by few of us and we don't regret that decision. Also if it seems to you that all is hunky dory at a college just bcoz it manages to rank very high up the ladder , get some facts about the IIM with a huge batch size in the central part of the country

a word of advice - go and use your time in getting some sleep before you start the dreaded pgp-1 at WIMWI . we have had enuf of your bakaar here and we don't need it anymore. :nono:

This is Upper Cut for this IIM - A .. babysitter boy. :nono:

P.S - Joining IIM - U

If any one keeping track of all the new IIMs, then pleaese share a few details like:
How many seats are there ?
When is the session gonna start ?
How many seats have been occupied so far ?
When is the next waitlist, if any ?

Fine man, if u are so sure:)
With such a truckload of knowledge I am sure u will do well, wherever u go:)

but I am sure that u will agree that a permanent faculty is still better than havin a visting faculty? Or would u like to enlighten me on that point too?

My point still remains that it is wrong to say that a 50 yr old insti like MDI would be beaten by just an IIM tag! The faculty in the new IIMs is good, but more is required. I am sure uw ill agree with this.
If the new IIMs can improve on all these parameters(yes improve), only then can it make use of its IIM tag, otherwise with news of more IIMs in the offing, the brand IIm per se wouldnt be able to babysit institutions for long

yes agreed that you are moving into the best b school in the country but that doesn't give you a license to roam around in threads and use terms like 'babysit' ! you are still a would be 'fuchaa' my dear and you have still have a year before we can talk on the same level. :biggrin:

if you think that i am saying this without having any knowledge whatsoever of WIMWI, just know that i know almost everything about IIMA. my brother happens to be a student there

comparing colleges is mostly done by aspirants and we don't blame them for that. once you become a part of the system you get to know of so many hitherto unknown facts. The college that you are so gung ho about was left by few of us and we don't regret that decision. Also if it seems to you that all is hunky dory at a college just bcoz it manages to rank very high up the ladder , get some facts about the IIM with a huge batch size in the central part of the country

a word of advice - go and use your time in getting some sleep before you start the dreaded pgp-1 at WIMWI . we have had enuf of your bakaar here and we don't need it anymore.

Fine man, if u are so sure:)
With such a truckload of knowledge I am sure u will do well, wherever u go:)

but I am sure that u will agree that a permanent faculty is still better than havin a visting faculty? Or would u like to enlighten me on that point too?

My point still remains that it is wrong to say that a 50 yr old insti like MDI would be beaten by just an IIM tag! The faculty in the new IIMs is good, but more is required. I am sure uw ill agree with this.
If the new IIMs can improve on all these parameters(yes improve), only then can it make use of its IIM tag, otherwise with news of more IIMs in the offing, the brand IIm per se wouldnt be able to babysit institutions for long

Dude my essay of a post (if only i worked so hard in WAC) was just to explain the "murky" concept of visiting and permanent faculty. Yes i agree that a permanent faculty is better than a visiting one, but not because of logistics problem. the reason will become clear to you after 20th June (going by last year)
and thanks for sizing the range of my knowledge but you exaggerate . i assure you it is far from truckload. it is just a wee bit more than a person who is yet to join the system and does not have any friend who is a part of it.

I am just unclear about the concept of IIM U beating other non iim college of repute or vice versa. what is exactly meant by beating? If you mean attracting better candidates then the number of people in a dilemma as to which one to join indicates that probably the competition is good. If you mean better placements then yes the first summer placement report of IIM U is obviously not as good as MDI's 50th is. If you mean rankings in the magazines then i cannot say anything . If you mean quality of faculty go through my essay again.

dude no institute can work on the tag alone & be successful and no senior from any of the new IIMs can ever say this. Obviously delhi abhi door hai. But what i maintain is that it is wrong to imply that those who had left MDI/NITIE/IIFT to join a new IIM did not do the right thing. These are fantastic institutions with rich heritages and shall always be. But these guys had a certain vision and felt it was right for them.

And again kindly explain what you mean by babysit? No other institute played a role in the faculty or the placement that IIM U had, and i think it is the same case in other new IIMs.
More IIMs in the offing? Could you post the link? Please excuse my ignorance. The last two months were a killer. I somehow missed this important piece of news.
Uff my post again became an essay. 2 whole semesters of WAC reports ruins your writing skills i tell you...

Hi,

I have got an admission offer from IIM-U and to ensure that it is the right fit for me too, I had a few questions. Hope someone can reply by tonight as I have to give an acceptance by tomorrow.

1. Does IIM-U have its own campus and hostels? And if not, what are the disadvantages exactly of not having a B-school campus or the school's own campus to learn in?

2. Is the learning centered around books, theory and writing exams?

3.Are there regular seminars, conferences, presentations, liaisons with industry professionals etc.? In other words, what does IIM-U offer other than theoretical learning?

4. This might sound ludicrous, but are the hostels air-conditioned?


Looking forward to your reply/replies.

Hi,
1. Currently none of the new IIM's have their own campus.IIm Udaipur also is operating from a temporary campus.All the basic facilities are there for daily operations.The premenant campus will come up in 3,4 yrs.

2. The learning is centrd aroung case studies, class participation, quizzes,..apart from books (of course).Academics are a top priority for all the IIM's.

3. Apart from theoretical knowledge, IIM U has a lot to offer.It has a mentorship programme,unique among the 6 new IIM's, where you are tagged with an IIM A,B,C alum who is in da industry for 10-12 yrs.He will guide you throughout your 2 yrs journey and mayb after dat also,depending on your initiative.
Also it has a global immersion programme as elective where in the 2nd yr where you get to work in live business setting in foreign envioronment.
This yr 15 students r going to bangkok and 15 to dubai.
Also It has a Rural immersion programme where you work closely with an NGO, and understand the problems of Rasjasthans village,and mayb provide insights that may help.

4.The hostels are not air conditiond. The only new iim to have air conditiond hostels is IIM Raipur, bcoz of the super high temperatures in raipur.

Hope it answers you query.

Hi,

I have got an admission offer from IIM-U and to ensure that it is the right fit for me too, I had a few questions. Hope someone can reply by tonight as I have to give an acceptance by tomorrow.

1. Does IIM-U have its own campus and hostels? And if not, what are the disadvantages exactly of not having a B-school campus or the school's own campus to learn in?

2. Is the learning centered around books, theory and writing exams?

3.Are there regular seminars, conferences, presentations, liaisons with industry professionals etc.? In other words, what does IIM-U offer other than theoretical learning?

4. This might sound ludicrous, but are the hostels air-conditioned?


Looking forward to your reply/replies.

Preeti Topno Says

can u give da link of FMS in fb and also how to get da taag of FMS

this is it

https://www.facebook.com/groups/fms2014/

i also dont have the tag.... so donno how to...

What is the last date of withdrawing admission?

Well we as students never understood the so called logistics problems. i don't know how clear your understanding of visting faculty is but let me tell you how it works( since for you the process is murky). I am sure you will see the concept is similar in WIMWI when you finally join.
the visiting faculty comes every week or evry two weeks (depending on the course), takes his/her regular classes, stays with us if classes are scheduled over 2-3 days and is available over e-mail in case a student has some doubt when the teacher is not in the town.
The admin ensures that the routine of classes is never ever skewed. on a particular day there may be two classes by two permanent faculties and one by a visiting, or vice versa. Often it is difficult to distinguish which one is permanent or which one is temporary (unless you google the person's name and see that he is ex PGP admin IIMB,program manager IIMA, General Manager SEBI , PGP Chair IIMC or GGM Punj Lloyd, or someone like prof G.S. Gupta who retired from IIM A a year or two back after teaching there for more than three decades, in fact he was one of the faculty members wooed to join IIM A by Professor Ravi Mathai himself ) If teachers of these stature, teach in a routine which is followed in any other IIM, the difference between permanent and visitng faculties become almost nil.
These will become much clear to you when you start your classes. You will see that in some cases you will have to depend upon your TA more than your prof (even though he maybe a permanent one). So right now the things that you have "figured out" by simply going through the website may turn out to be quite different after the first class of FRA (if Prof M.S. Sriram takes it who afaik does not take first year classes anywhere other than U) :)

Fine man, if u are so sure:)
With such a truckload of knowledge I am sure u will do well, wherever u go:)

but I am sure that u will agree that a permanent faculty is still better than havin a visting faculty? Or would u like to enlighten me on that point too?

My point still remains that it is wrong to say that a 50 yr old insti like MDI would be beaten by just an IIM tag! The faculty in the new IIMs is good, but more is required. I am sure uw ill agree with this.
If the new IIMs can improve on all these parameters(yes improve), only then can it make use of its IIM tag, otherwise with news of more IIMs in the offing, the brand IIm per se wouldnt be able to babysit institutions for long

Will there be any list after 2nd june or the fourth list is the final list??

Well we as students never understood the so called logistics problems. i don't know how clear your understanding of visting faculty is but let me tell you how it works( since for you the process is murky). I am sure you will see the concept is similar in WIMWI when you finally join.
the visiting faculty comes every week or evry two weeks (depending on the course), takes his/her regular classes, stays with us if classes are scheduled over 2-3 days and is available over e-mail in case a student has some doubt when the teacher is not in the town.
The admin ensures that the routine of classes is never ever skewed. on a particular day there may be two classes by two permanent faculties and one by a visiting, or vice versa. Often it is difficult to distinguish which one is permanent or which one is temporary (unless you google the person's name and see that he is ex PGP admin IIMB,program manager IIMA, General Manager SEBI , PGP Chair IIMC or GGM Punj Lloyd, or someone like prof G.S. Gupta who retired from IIM A a year or two back after teaching there for more than three decades, in fact he was one of the faculty members wooed to join IIM A by Professor Ravi Mathai himself ) If teachers of these stature, teach in a routine which is followed in any other IIM, the difference between permanent and visitng faculties become almost nil.
These will become much clear to you when you start your classes. You will see that in some cases you will have to depend upon your TA more than your prof (even though he maybe a permanent one). So right now the things that you have "figured out" by simply going through the website may turn out to be quite different after the first class of FRA (if Prof M.S. Sriram takes it who afaik does not take first year classes anywhere other than U) :)

vaah! kya explain kiya hai!!

U dont always need to have friends in every place to figure out stuff:)

Neways some of the facts are present on the websites itself. doesnt take a genius to figure out stuff. neways never said that the faculty is bad or poor. They are good, really good, but the prob is logistics, the concept of permanent and visiting faculty is pretty murky:)

No, I aint a current student in any of the above mentioned colleges.

Well we as students never understood the so called logistics problems. i don't know how clear your understanding of visting faculty is but let me tell you how it works( since for you the process is murky). I am sure you will see the concept is similar in WIMWI when you finally join.
the visiting faculty comes every week or evry two weeks (depending on the course), takes his/her regular classes, stays with us if classes are scheduled over 2-3 days and is available over e-mail in case a student has some doubt when the teacher is not in the town.
The admin ensures that the routine of classes is never ever skewed. on a particular day there may be two classes by two permanent faculties and one by a visiting, or vice versa. Often it is difficult to distinguish which one is permanent or which one is temporary (unless you google the person's name and see that he is ex PGP admin IIMB,program manager IIMA, General Manager SEBI , PGP Chair IIMC or GGM Punj Lloyd, or someone like prof G.S. Gupta who retired from IIM A a year or two back after teaching there for more than three decades, in fact he was one of the faculty members wooed to join IIM A by Professor Ravi Mathai himself ) If teachers of these stature, teach in a routine which is followed in any other IIM, the difference between permanent and visitng faculties become almost nil.
These will become much clear to you when you start your classes. You will see that in some cases you will have to depend upon your TA more than your prof (even though he maybe a permanent one). So right now the things that you have "figured out" by simply going through the website may turn out to be quite different after the first class of FRA (if Prof M.S. Sriram takes it who afaik does not take first year classes anywhere other than U)

v_guha Says

Just one question... how did you come to know about the quality of faculty at the new IIMs. Do you have any friend in KURRRT who has told you this? (Assuming you are not a current student in any of the mentioned institutes who has given CAT again...)

U dont always need to have friends in every place to figure out stuff:)

Neways some of the facts are present on the websites itself. doesnt take a genius to figure out stuff. neways never said that the faculty is bad or poor. They are good, really good, but the prob is logistics, the concept of permanent and visiting faculty is pretty murky:)

No, I aint a current student in any of the above mentioned colleges.

Hi,

I just got a mail that I have converted IIM-U :)

Could someone please tell me when the classes would start and what is the total fees of the program?

Try this
http://www.iimu.ac.in/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/FAQs-for-Admitted-Students.pdf

Found the link later. Just to add another two queries:
1. Couldn't get the link to download Acceptance Letter
2. The FAQs mentions online payment of commitment is available. Need a confirmation on this.

Hi,

Got a mail today, converted from w/l no. 386. It says that have to send DD of 50k before 7th June to confirm acceptance. Question is, other new IIMs are supposed to come out with further lists after 7th. If I get another call and decide to join the latter, how to go about cancellation procedure? Or once an offer is accepted, it can't be cancelled? Will any part of DD amount be refunded?

Please help!!!

Hi,

I just got a mail that I have converted IIM-U :)

Could someone please tell me when the classes would start and what is the total fees of the program?

IIM dream over for this year..!! :-(..

Will write CAT next year again..!!

IIM I released its 2nd list after 3rd list of IIM U. and there was a huge movement in all cateogries. so i expected a huge waitlist movement in IIM U too. but u never know.

i find it mysterious not a single movement in the waiting list except the general category............seniors are u there

Hi all! I have been waitlisted at 375 for IIM U and I think I might have a chance of converting once the final waitlist is out today. Also I have offers from Trichy and Raipur.

Can some of you please give me inputs about the plus-points and drawbacks of IIM Udaipur, as compared to Trichy or Raipur??

Mere dost, comparison of institutes is strictly againsr PG rules and cannot be done :nono:.
What you can do is talk to the seniors of both T and U about their opinion about the positives and negatives of their respective institutes and then make the choice yourself.

I m not sure how JOKA is in a miserable location bro, kolkata may nt be doing well bt still fact remains it is a metro and will therefore never be at a location disadvantage.

See I never said that the brand power is useless, wat I objected too was some ppl saying ki 5 yrs down the line an MDI will be nowhere compared to a new IIM(and trust me ppl have made the exact same statement), I mean how can u even believe that??
As u correctly pointed out the brand power will help them wid good starts. and that is a a point I have agreed upon too, but assuming they wd be preffered over a FMS or a NITIE within 5 yrs just on the basis of their brand power is baselss. U say that they have got good starts, if u read my post u will find I reiterated the same point, but if they dont start improving on every parameter, then situation is not gonna be the same.
Yes if they continue the good work, coupled wid good faculty(which v frankly it does not have rgt now), then and only then will they be in top 10.
U say that faculty is an issue that wont be a problem. How do u know it bro??:) If wat u ASSUME comes true, then yes, things will be different.

Also u just pointed out the good things abt Shillong, u probably need to look at the other side too. It is a prime case where location has played a bigger role than the brand per se. Wouldnt like to comment further on this issue since I hvae no idea watsover of their faculty.

Just one question... how did you come to know about the quality of faculty at the new IIMs. Do you have any friend in KURRRT who has told you this? (Assuming you are not a current student in any of the mentioned institutes who has given CAT again...)

check the fb page. i have seen girls also getting hold of pg's.

P.S I havent yet looked for accomodation.

can u give da link of FMS in fb and also how to get da taag of FMS

Hi all! I have been waitlisted at 375 for IIM U and I think I might have a chance of converting once the final waitlist is out today. Also I have offers from Trichy and Raipur.

Can some of you please give me inputs about the plus-points and drawbacks of IIM Udaipur, as compared to Trichy or Raipur??

FMS no doubt.

I have personally left IIM I and K for FMS.

I agree IIM has a brand value, but FMS is also a brand in itself...it has 60 years behind it.

and moreover few years down the line rather than the brand your own hard work and intellectual would matter the most.

Fine so u have taken admission already in FMS.C u dere

Preeti Topno Says

What would you suggest FMS or IIM Udaipur,Raipur or Trichy.Both have their own brand

FMS no doubt.

I have personally left IIM I and K for FMS.

I agree IIM has a brand value, but FMS is also a brand in itself...it has 60 years behind it.

and moreover few years down the line rather than the brand your own hard work and intellectual would matter the most.

Preeti Topno Says

What would you suggest FMS or IIM Udaipur,Raipur or Trichy.Both have their own brand

FMS neday re!

Preeti Topno Says

Accomodation not problem for boys i guess u must have got a hostel/PG or travelling everyday from home.Leaving FMS for new IIM's is a silly decision.But safety also matters in a place like delhi

check the fb page. i have seen girls also getting hold of pg's.

P.S I havent yet looked for accomodation.

i agree accomodation is a bit problematic there. But I would still wonder that just for accomdation reason would it be a good decision to opt for IIM T, U over FMS. Try and compare other factors also like placements and all. Rest it depends upon one's priority.

P.S Me myself leaving IIM I,S for FMS.

Accomodation not problem for boys i guess u must have got a hostel/PG or travelling everyday from home.Leaving FMS for new IIM's is a silly decision.But safety also matters in a place like delhi

Preeti Topno Says

Da only problem is accomodation dude.Meghdoot and university hostel is for PG students and i would nt prefer 2 saty dere also.U need 2 stay wid someone from FMS so dat u can work assignments,make ppts 2gether just like in IIM's

i agree accomodation is a bit problematic there. But I would still wonder that just for accomdation reason would it be a good decision to opt for IIM T, U over FMS. Try and compare other factors also like placements and all. Rest it depends upon one's priority.

P.S Me myself leaving IIM I,S for FMS.

Preeti Topno Says

What would you suggest FMS or IIM Udaipur,Raipur or Trichy.Both have their own brand

i would suggest FMS anyday.

Preeti Topno Says

Thanks dude

You r most welcome :):)

If u ask me personally, I wont suggest u anything.. but I would go for new IIM on any given day.. coz for me the tag IIM matters the most.. (its entirely personal)

Its upto each & every individual to decide.. Every institution has pros & cons.. I repeat every institution including IIMA,IIMB & IIMC..

we have to decide based on what we need from the institution.. coz I need IIM tag, I would go for new IIM.. Same way, someone else want good placement, good track record..they might choose FMS...

I can suggest you only thing.. before deciding, just ask two questions to urself...

1) 2 yrs down the line, what am I going to get from this institution??
2) 10 yrs down the line, what am I going to get from this institution??

& make a decision based on which college serves ur need better .. all the best :):)

Thanks dude

Preeti Topno Says

What would you suggest FMS or IIM Udaipur,Raipur or Trichy.Both have their own brand

If u ask me personally, I wont suggest u anything.. but I would go for new IIM on any given day.. coz for me the tag IIM matters the most.. (its entirely personal)

Its upto each & every individual to decide.. Every institution has pros & cons.. I repeat every institution including IIMA,IIMB & IIMC..

we have to decide based on what we need from the institution.. coz I need IIM tag, I would go for new IIM.. Same way, someone else want good placement, good track record..they might choose FMS...

I can suggest you only thing.. before deciding, just ask two questions to urself...

1) 2 yrs down the line, what am I going to get from this institution??
2) 10 yrs down the line, what am I going to get from this institution??

& make a decision based on which college serves ur need better .. all the best :):)

Preeti Topno Says

Is it true dat FMS gud for marketing but what about other specializations if not interested in marketing vil a person not get placed in marketing only or other specialization

FMS is good for everything. I took coaching in TIME institute. there was a teacher from IIM B. even he used to say that FMS is the best institute. FMS was a dream college for him. FMS is far better than new IIMs in every respect. Intake is low, location is the best, ROI is the best, actually everything is the best. all i can say that go for it.

ashish1587 Says

just one thing to say about if any one thinks if MDI or any other non iims colleges is better than new iims then please go for that colleges...why are u posting on new iims thread....it seems that somehow u have interest for new iims....and i think every one wise enough to take a decision and not to be affected by the posts of others on PG..Use your time to consult seniors and pass outs to make final decision instead of talking about other colleges....

I second you dude ....

i know the above question is not for me. But i couldn't stop myself.
@preeti topno certainly, FMS. without any second thought. I don't think even a single person will suggest u to go with new IIMs. people leave IIM L to join FMS.
if u have opportunity to join FMS, them go for it. I can bet u that u won't regret.

Is it true dat FMS gud for marketing but what about other specializations if not interested in marketing vil a person not get placed in marketing only or other specialization

i know the above question is not for me. But i couldn't stop myself.
@preeti topno certainly, FMS. without any second thought. I don't think even a single person will suggest u to go with new IIMs. people leave IIM L to join FMS.
if u have opportunity to join FMS, them go for it. I can bet u that u won't regret.

Exactly...

1) From a personal point of view, I graduated from NIT Calicut. Its 50 yrs old & trust me, even the 1st batch pass out gets same attention as 50th batch pass out. We only ask about which college & not abt his year of passing out.. The same applies to BITS pilani guy as well as an IITian.. Every established college is a brand by itself...

2) the sole criterion in deciding a college is... why exactly I'm doing MBA?? It all depends on
a) whether I'm doing for an IIM Tag
b) whether for immediate placement in a good company with a good package, or
c) whether my goal is to achieve something in long term!!




According to me, we cannot & cannot generalize .. It all depends on the individual & he has to choose a college with its vision & mission in sync with that of his goals :):)

As I always say.. "there is nothing like taking a right decision. U've to take a decision & make it right"

What would you suggest FMS or IIM Udaipur,Raipur or Trichy.Both have their own brand

It is not the intention of seniors to 'intentionally misguide" aspirants. We can only say from our personal experience. I was one of the few idiots who took an new IIM over a highly reputed non iim college , but then i personally do not regret this decision because i got to intern in a company that took students only from IIMs (including the old ones)...but then there may have been others who may have regretted their decisions. Amongst the current students there are others who have left other good colleges like IIFT, NITIE etc ( Again i believe an equal number of cases exist the other way round. Its about personal choice)
Moreover the kind of opportunity in store for us like International Business Practices, Exchange program, Trading Lab(which only IIM C has afaik) , Analytics Lab etc, only shows us that probably we were right somewhere in "our" decisions, that we took for "ourselves". As to the advice given by the faculties at TIME, CL etc, i am sure these are just personal opinions . because there are other CL, IMS teachers in other cities who have asked (and even felicitated )students to join new IIMs :-)

Exactly...

1) From a personal point of view, I graduated from NIT Calicut. Its 50 yrs old & trust me, even the 1st batch pass out gets same attention as 50th batch pass out. We only ask about which college & not abt his year of passing out.. The same applies to BITS pilani guy as well as an IITian.. Every established college is a brand by itself...

2) the sole criterion in deciding a college is... why exactly I'm doing MBA?? It all depends on
a) whether I'm doing for an IIM Tag
b) whether for immediate placement in a good company with a good package, or
c) whether my goal is to achieve something in long term!!

According to me, we cannot & cannot generalize .. It all depends on the individual & he has to choose a college with its vision & mission in sync with that of his goals :):)

As I always say.. "there is nothing like taking a right decision. U've to take a decision & make it right"

Wat complled me to post in this thread was the statement by some batchmates and seniors that
"colleges like NITIE nd MDI will be nowhere as compared to new IIMs withing 5-6 yrs". I did not agree with that and hence put my point.

Trust me i do not have an affinity for a anon IIM college, I myself now belong to the IIM brand, but I was only disturbed at some statements and hence made my point.

haha.. then u shld have mentioned this in the beginning of your post. people were not aware of the premise!

I m not sure how JOKA is in a miserable location bro, kolkata may nt be doing well bt still fact remains it is a metro and will therefore never be at a location disadvantage.

See I never said that the brand power is useless, wat I objected too was some ppl saying ki 5 yrs down the line an MDI will be nowhere compared to a new IIM(and trust me ppl have made the exact same statement), I mean how can u even believe that??
As u correctly pointed out the brand power will help them wid good starts. and that is a a point I have agreed upon too, but assuming they wd be preffered over a FMS or a NITIE within 5 yrs just on the basis of their brand power is baselss. U say that they have got good starts, if u read my post u will find I reiterated the same point, but if they dont start improving on every parameter, then situation is not gonna be the same.
Yes if they continue the good work, coupled wid good faculty(which v frankly it does not have rgt now), then and only then will they be in top 10.
U say that faculty is an issue that wont be a problem. How do u know it bro??:) If wat u ASSUME comes true, then yes, things will be different.

Also u just pointed out the good things abt Shillong, u probably need to look at the other side too. It is a prime case where location has played a bigger role than the brand per se. Wouldnt like to comment further on this issue since I have no idea watsover of their faculty.

well if people have made such a statement, its irrational. popularity is in its place but alumni base, campus life, corporate network are also factors. new iims have a bright future, but others will definitely not fade out. wrong to think like that. at least on this thread no one mentioned that new iims will beat old colleges, hence i pointed that out.

y i call kolkata a miserable location is bcoz despite being a metro, there is only one co.- ITC, that probably places iim graduates in this city, am not sure about that too.. so no locational advantage in terms of industry. hence, connectivity is the only plus point this city can offer, nothing else. and the road to joka from the airport will make you want to take a flight back rather than visit the campus ;)

i am optimistic about their faculty strength improving in the near future.. most colleges already have permanent faculty who have graduated from good colleges themselves and have been a part of the industry, its on their websites. that makes me think that the faculty problem will be sorted out soon bcoz just like the iim brand is a lure for students, it could be the same for teachers too... will take time. no two ways about that. and am not complaining, they have just started out

ashish1587 Says

just one thing to say about if any one thinks if MDI or any other non iims colleges is better than new iims then please go for that colleges...why are u posting on new iims thread....it seems that somehow u have interest for new iims....and i think every one wise enough to take a decision and not to be affected by the posts of others on PG..Use your time to consult seniors and pass outs to make final decision instead of talking about other colleges....

Wat complled me to post in this thread was the statement by some batchmates and seniors that
"colleges like NITIE nd MDI will be nowhere as compared to new IIMs withing 5-6 yrs". I did not agree with that and hence put my point.

Trust me i do not have an affinity for a anon IIM college, I myself now belong to the IIM brand, but I was only disturbed at some statements and hence made my point.

some other reputed colleges started new campuses in cities like nagpur, hyd, bbsr, kolkata.. now you can compare the response they have recd with the interest generated by these new iims, and you will find the effect of brand power!

iim shillong may not be easily preferred today over some other top 10 colleges, but it surely is giving tough competition - people having common converts are going either way. with just 3 batches placed, it has no reason to be the preferred college. a few even leave iima for isb, nd some leave iiml for fms.. visit their fb page, and ull see that the converts are most happy to join and the waitlisted are equally eager to get converted! iim shillong is using its location to start a china specific business programme, how many colleges could think like that? and the companies recruiting from there are top notch too.. opening an iim in shillong serves some other purposes too.. i guess its the only premier institute apart from iit ghy to have a presence in the entire north east.

talking about location, iimc, iit k, iit kgp are in miserable locations.. maybe roorke and ghy too. but they are world famous and most sought after in india! compared to them, only iim kashipur is in a slightly remote area. rest are easily accessible. given some time, they will bcm equally formidable institutions as other pvt colleges are now.

and where did anyone say that new iims will 'beat' mdi and all.. honestly, how is it possible that a new college can 'beat' 30 or 50 odd years of heritage? but in terms of preference and popularity, they will surely match up. just look at the starts they have got. 100% placements in good companies for the first batch. were these established colleges able to boast something of this sort in their initial years.. dont think so. so i dont think these instis are going haywire from here onwards. the only way they are going to go is up! and talking about colleges, can iim abc 'beat' harvard or stanford?

faculty is an issue that wont take much time to get sorted out. they already have permanent faculty and the visiting faculty is best in the country. they take full courses and not just guest lectures. as their reputation grows, good faculty will come to stay. will take some time though as teachers also need a good quality of life for which facilities are being built.

I m not sure how JOKA is in a miserable location bro, kolkata may nt be doing well bt still fact remains it is a metro and will therefore never be at a location disadvantage.

See I never said that the brand power is useless, wat I objected too was some ppl saying ki 5 yrs down the line an MDI will be nowhere compared to a new IIM(and trust me ppl have made the exact same statement), I mean how can u even believe that??
As u correctly pointed out the brand power will help them wid good starts. and that is a a point I have agreed upon too, but assuming they wd be preffered over a FMS or a NITIE within 5 yrs just on the basis of their brand power is baselss. U say that they have got good starts, if u read my post u will find I reiterated the same point, but if they dont start improving on every parameter, then situation is not gonna be the same.
Yes if they continue the good work, coupled wid good faculty(which v frankly it does not have rgt now), then and only then will they be in top 10.
U say that faculty is an issue that wont be a problem. How do u know it bro??:) If wat u ASSUME comes true, then yes, things will be different.

Also u just pointed out the good things abt Shillong, u probably need to look at the other side too. It is a prime case where location has played a bigger role than the brand per se. Wouldnt like to comment further on this issue since I hvae no idea watsover of their faculty.

just one thing to say about if any one thinks if MDI or any other non iims colleges is better than new iims then please go for that colleges...why are u posting on new iims thread....it seems that somehow u have interest for new iims....and i think every one wise enough to take a decision and not to be affected by the posts of others on PG..Use your time to consult seniors and pass outs to make final decision instead of talking about other colleges....

All this talk about "new IIMs will be at par wid others in a few yrs time" may not actually turn out to be true!
Shillong wid 4 yrs of operation, still is not prefered by most, and the biggest disadvantg wid it is its location. Some of the new IIMs suffer from the same location menace.
Yes I do agree that the tag will help the IIMs post impressive figures year after year, and probably it wont have to slog for yrs to get in the top 20 bracket like the MDIs and SIBMs had to, but assumin thaat they would beat MDI or a NITIE or a FMS in 4 yrs or for that matter even 10 yrs, is pure speculation.
I mean logically speaking why do u think that just a tag can propel u to a top 10 slot? The tag will help, but if poor faculty remain an issue the the tag can only tug u:)

However having said all this, IIM K presents a perfect example of where the IIM tag coupled wid good faculty and really hard working students have made the difference. I have friends in both K and A, both complain of workload bt the K guy has an additional point of complaint, he says that ppl here are made to slog harder bcs they want to prove that they are as good as the older IIMs.

All in all, a IIM brand has its advantages, but assuming that the tag may overcome a brand like MDI wtht proper direction is baseless

some other reputed colleges started new campuses in cities like nagpur, hyd, bbsr, kolkata.. now you can compare the response they have recd with the interest generated by these new iims, and you will find the effect of brand power!

iim shillong may not be easily preferred today over some other top 10 colleges, but it surely is giving tough competition - people having common converts are going either way. with just 3 batches placed, it has no reason to be the preferred college. a few even leave iima for isb, nd some leave iiml for fms.. visit their fb page, and ull see that the converts are most happy to join and the waitlisted are equally eager to get converted! iim shillong is using its location to start a china specific business programme, how many colleges could think like that? and the companies recruiting from there are top notch too.. opening an iim in shillong serves some other purposes too.. i guess its the only premier institute apart from iit ghy to have a presence in the entire north east.

talking about location, iimc, iit k, iit kgp are in miserable locations.. maybe roorke and ghy too. but they are world famous and most sought after in india! compared to them, only iim kashipur is in a slightly remote area. rest are easily accessible. given some time, they will bcm equally formidable institutions as other pvt colleges are now.

and where did anyone say that new iims will 'beat' mdi and all.. honestly, how is it possible that a new college can 'beat' 30 or 50 odd years of heritage? but in terms of preference and popularity, they will surely match up. just look at the starts they have got. 100% placements in good companies for the first batch. were these established colleges able to boast something of this sort in their initial years.. dont think so. so i dont think these instis are going haywire from here onwards. the only way they are going to go is up! and talking about colleges, can iim abc 'beat' harvard or stanford?

faculty is an issue that wont take much time to get sorted out. they already have permanent faculty and the visiting faculty is best in the country. they take full courses and not just guest lectures. as their reputation grows, good faculty will come to stay. will take some time though as teachers also need a good quality of life for which facilities are being built.

Same thing applies to u Seniors also "Please dont misguide people here"
Any day MDI is better than new iims. It's a brand in itself.
Almost all faculty of IMS, TIME and CL are advising to choose MDI over new iims. Some other non-iim colleges r also better than new iims.

It is not the intention of seniors to 'intentionally misguide" aspirants. We can only say from our personal experience. I was one of the few idiots who took an new IIM over a highly reputed non iim college , but then i personally do not regret this decision because i got to intern in a company that took students only from IIMs (including the old ones)...but then there may have been others who may have regretted their decisions. Amongst the current students there are others who have left other good colleges like IIFT, NITIE etc ( Again i believe an equal number of cases exist the other way round. Its about personal choice)
Moreover the kind of opportunity in store for us like International Business Practices, Exchange program, Trading Lab(which only IIM C has afaik) , Analytics Lab etc, only shows us that probably we were right somewhere in "our" decisions, that we took for "ourselves". As to the advice given by the faculties at TIME, CL etc, i am sure these are just personal opinions . because there are other CL, IMS teachers in other cities who have asked (and even felicitated )students to join new IIMs

All this talk about "new IIMs will be at par wid others in a few yrs time" may not actually turn out to be true!
Shillong wid 4 yrs of operation, still is not prefered by most, and the biggest disadvantg wid it is its location. Some of the new IIMs suffer from the same location menace.
Yes I do agree that the tag will help the IIMs post impressive figures year after year, and probably it wont have to slog for yrs to get in the top 20 bracket like the MDIs and SIBMs had to, but assumin thaat they would beat MDI or a NITIE or a FMS in 4 yrs or for that matter even 10 yrs, is pure speculation.
I mean logically speaking why do u think that just a tag can propel u to a top 10 slot? The tag will help, but if poor faculty remain an issue the the tag can only tug u:)

However having said all this, IIM K presents a perfect example of where the IIM tag coupled wid good faculty and really hard working students have made the difference. I have friends in both K and A, both complain of workload bt the K guy has an additional point of complaint, he says that ppl here are made to slog harder bcs they want to prove that they are as good as the older IIMs.

All in all, a IIM brand has its advantages, but assuming that the tag may overcome a brand like MDI wtht proper direction is baseless

Same thing applies to u Seniors also "Please dont misguide people here"
Any day MDI is better than new iims. It's a brand in itself.
Almost all faculty of IMS, TIME and CL are advising to choose MDI over new iims. Some other non-iim colleges r also better than new iims.

boss its obvious that new iims are not better than mdi and all.. how can they be? they are just one year old! but they have the potential to come at par in a relatively short period of time. none of the seniors said chose iimu over mdi, they are just giving advantages of their college, the disadvantages are known to all.. if a college is nt wrth joining, the real news always spills out.. u can check so many forums of colleges here.. some forums have been dirtied by seniors themselves, but some others are really informative.

at the end of the day its a personal decision and when one is ready to accept the challenges, that just makes life more interesting. dusnt it?

I think I never mentioned that NITIE has bad placements. Please dont misguide people here to get your waitlists clear :)
I just gave a comparative advantage of Brand IIM!!

Same thing applies to u Seniors also "Please dont misguide people here"
Any day MDI is better than new iims. It's a brand in itself.
Almost all faculty of IMS, TIME and CL are advising to choose MDI over new iims. Some other non-iim colleges r also better than new iims.

What to talk of new iims , IIM Shillong still (after about 4+ yrs of operation ) does not have its own campus.

It is operating in the deserted i.e. left out building of NEHU (North Eastern Hill University). Their fund for building (around 100 crores) is lying in a PSU Bank.
My friend is an officer in that Branch and he went to IIM Shillong to offer quotations of interest rates.

:grin: appreciable post...........some people are getting irritated..............doesn't matter cos they won't be paying our fees...........no offense to any1

green111 Says

bro i have nitie and iim u and i have not yet decided where to join...i think ur on the same boat as i am...

Dear get all the info about both the colls first,, talk to ur faculty/teachr who guided u during ur cat/mba preparation; take advise of ur parents, elders n well wishers and den decide..

by d way congrats for ur achievment

What to talk of new iims , IIM Shillong still (after about 4+ yrs of operation ) does not have its own campus.

It is operating in the deserted i.e. left out building of NEHU (North Eastern Hill University). Their fund for building (around 100 crores) is lying in a PSU Bank.
My friend is an officer in that Branch and he went to IIM Shillong to offer quotations of interest rates.

For a person who wants the best of buildings... I*I*P*M is a better place. People who go to IIMs, go for the learning environment they provide. As long as there is a campus, why do you care if it is a temporary campus or permanent? If all the required facilities are present, how does it matter?

Buddy !!!!! how cna u say new iims have so less faculties

I can't say about other new iims but as far as i know Ranchi has good no. of faculties.

yes they do have a shortage. Do ur own research. don't go by blind statements on any internet forum. There r very few Permanent faculties in new iims.

By the way have u converted Ranchi. Congrats.....

frustooo Says

Hello Mr. Knowledgeable mind shift the discussion to PM(Private Message mode a facility provided by PG) because u r creating unnecessary posts. Students do come to this site for getting relevant info and if anybody will be having a doubt they ask senior. So my Mr. Knowledgeable mind friend let it stop here u have already got ur answer from rukia's post So please Mr. Knowledgeable mind if you don't have any relevant to post then refrain from posting.

Stop being so true to your name frustooo...I may be your future roommate after all!
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ASHIM0567 Says

do they really don't have their own campus................my god hey dude put some more facts....how do you come to know

What to talk of new iims , IIM Shillong still (after about 4+ yrs of operation ) does not have its own campus.

It is operating in the deserted i.e. left out building of NEHU (North Eastern Hill University). Their fund for building (around 100 crores) is lying in a PSU Bank.
My friend is an officer in that Branch and he went to IIM Shillong to offer quotations of interest rates.

avnishanshu Says

ok...i have one more question for you.After two years not only the number of recruiters coming to IIFT will definitely be greater than IIM U, IIM U wont be able to match the sheer number or the variety of the recruiters IIFT will have to offer either.So will the brand value matter so much then?

reminds me of the way aspirants consider B schools to be placement agencies how money minded can you all be just to caution you - get into the details of the profiles offered along with the break up of the ctc. all the hooplah that you have built will be gone