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perceptions of bschools by past students - 20-05-2003, 11:57 PM

hi every1,

i am clearing my hdd and came across this mail which i picked up from yahoogroups long back.hope this spurs cat2k3 aspirants to reach top b-schools.
i could manage to find info only 5 b-schools,if i find more i will update this thread.i hope others do the same.

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anush
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20-05-2003, 11:58 PM

hi guys and gals,
Hi!! I am in ahmedabad now...for those of you who dont know what the
hell i am doing here...well i am here to do my MBA at IIM-
ahmedabad..this place is simply superb...but i am terribly
homesick..nevertheless i would like to tell you about IIM-a, its
culture and my experiences there...those of u who are all ears..lend
them to me...others simply goto END.
well, so that i dont leave out anything let me go systematically

jun 21 9:00 am
i left home to catch the train to ahmedabad...on the railway station
the handle of my suitcase gave way..and THUD!! it fell. due to the
impact the lock got jammed and all my certies and the cash Rs.30,000
(meant for the first trimester fees) got struck inside...well, there
i was to pay the fees and submit the certies..but wat luck!!!the
problem was sorted out next day in the train wen my co-passenger
opened it for me.

jun 22, 9:00pm
i arrived at IIM ahmedabad...WAT a beauty!!! i never thought there
could be a better architectured insti other than anna university...it
is called LOUIS KHAN designed brick and grass layout. there are 18
hostels (called dorms here) and out of them 2 are for girls (one
happens to overlook my balcony!)We are given individual rooms here.
the dorms are so well designed that sorrounding every dorm there are
4 dorms...facilitating better interaction among various dorms..the
rooms are big..with all facilities one may want..the dorm too is
nothing less than a * hotel..with a network connected comp (all
rooms are gonna be network connected very soon..and i am taking my
comp there too),fully automatic washing machine, tv, vcr,books/mags,
a fully stacked fridge(u can sign ur name and take anything out of
it..it is maintained by dorm inhabitants), phone, hot plate (for
cooking purposes), water cooler and all other paraphernalia..the gals
are allowed to come in boys dorms and go out any time and so are we
allowed to go inside the LDs(ladies dorms)..since there is an LD just
opp our dorm..every day we have an LD show (pun intended).( the gals
here are out of the earth to put it mildly). other than that we are
provided three credit cards free of cost (citybank master card/visa,
standard chartered master/visa, hong kong bank)

we have a christening ceremony in every dorm where all the fatchas
(freshers) are dunked(submerged in water..meaning bucket full of
water is poured on u) and are quizzed...based on wat they say they
are given a dorm name (a nick name). i went thru the ritual just now
and i will be given the name within hours (the processing speed is
very fast here). there is another sort of dunking game prevalent
here...whenever a group of guys or gals walk past one dorm the guys
of that dorm can dunk water on them from the roof and make them all
wet...provided they are not in their formals...this is done to take
out ur academic frustration..which i forgot to tell, is a lot around
here ( there is a pressure cooker situation around here)

classroom
the classrooms are very big with swivel chairs fixed firmly on the
ground...arranged in a gallery fashion...in a semicircular
pattern...with the instructor standing at the centre( he is called a
facilitator here..i'll tell u why). the classrooms are centrally a/c
and have a network connected comp, OHP, movie player and a large
screen. we have a case method of learning here (based on harvard
business school) where we have to prepare for the cases one day prior
and discuss in the class. the instructor comes and says " the court
is yours" and that's all...there begins a discussion..the
instructor's duty is not to teach but to facilitate learning..hence
he is called a facilitator.

mess
this aint the mess of a mess that is there in our alma mater...this
mess is simply great. it is common for all all PGP(post graduate
programme) students. the tables are arranged as in restaurants...with
each dorm having its own table (by the way in each dorm 20-30 guys
live). one guy frm his table shouts "dorm 8 ki tempo high high.." and
all other guys (19) to be exact shout"baaki sub ki zig-zag zig-
zag".sometimes all the 222 guys join in and the excitement is in the
air.. by the way guys taht was hindi...and by the way another by the
way...there are only two langs prevalent here English and HIndi...
more of hindi than eng in the dorms...but since i have lived in delhi
for more than half my life..hindi comes to me like a yawn..so the
food..which is not exactly spicy..nevertheless is "chalega"...but we
have a variety here..each day the specialities include icecream,
sweet, pudding, coca-cola...rasna..etc..and on fridays ther is
something called HARVARD DINNER(since all the profs here are HARVARD
educated and our insti has a collaboration with it) where we are
given all sorts of junk food like pizza, burgers, sandwiches, coca-
cola...french fries etc...this is the most awaited day (and today
happens to be that day)..on the first HARVARD DAY we fatchas are
supposed to be in our full formals because this day signifyes our
entry into the corporate world...

studies
one thing here that resembles our mechanical compressor is studies
studies and studies...we are supposed to put in 8 hrs of studies
everyday...if u miss one day u are a goner...there are surprise
quizzes any time (well seniors dont prefer to call it surprise bcos
they say we are being informed a half an hour in advance).. actually
our class timings are 9:00 am to 1:00 pm.. then we go to the
mess...on a notice board there it shouts "there is a QUIZ today at
2:00 pm"..and we have to hurry up and be present in the class that
time..the evaluation here is completely different with grades given
to every component of the subject...like the weightages may include
class participation/attendance 10%
presentation 20%
case write ups 30%
mid term 25%
end term 15%
and this varies from course to course.
we have a four point scale heer with a maximum of 4.33 scorable...the
grades here are
A+, A, A-, B+, B,B-, C+, C, C-, D+, D, D-, F, I
for every component listed above there is a corresponding grade...and
at the end of the term a final grade is calculated for that course
from the data book.
if u get an F its ok...but one F and 3 Ds a year may take u to the
main gate and say bye buddy, u may go home now..

as soon as the quiz is over the answers are put on the intranet e-
notice board where everyone can see them..and by the way the projects
are directly submitted to the instructor on the intranet...which are
displayed/presented in the class thru the comp and LCD projection
system. this is to avoid unnecessary duplication on the
paper/printouts etc.

all the profs here are like gods (with a capital G) to us because
they have the power of the director..since there is a flat hierarchy
here..u simply cant wag ur tail to them..unless of course u badly
want to go home..

summer placement
our summer placements start by the end of this trimester. 40-50 (out
of 222)guys get overseas placement and the rest may get in the
company of their choice..i think i wud look for a company in chennai
( i told u b4 i am terribly homesick). the summer project lasts for 8
weeks. by the way our first term(there are three such terms in a
year) ends on 22 sep. and the next term starts on oct 3...and the
train journey to and fro takes 4 days!!!

the final placement is great here...with most of the guys getting
their sal in dollars (the guy who stayed in my room got placed in
MICROSOFT). the highest sal last year was Rs. 47 lacs pa..with some
guys getting more than 27 lacs per annum. the average sal here is Rs.
8,000,000.

tomorrow is saturday..a holiday for us...but cant say there cud be a
surprise quiz scheduled tomorrow too...(i guess that's y its called a
surprise quiz)...since the insti is dominated by IITians (60 no.),
MS, guys with work experiences (there is a 38 year old guy in my
class with 10 yrs of work ex)..i guess to stick around i will have to
more than study...so see ya guys...have fun...its 9:30 pm here..and
my day has just begun...ciao
luv,
venkatesh

to report to mumbai 5 star hotel for a 2 day orientation from which they had
to go to various locations in India - Ist class flight tickets would be
given to them from their place of choice to mumbai ( cos they could go home
after classes and come from there) and from there to their place of posting.
this was besides their perks and 2 months salary of course.Howzzat ?


IIM AHMEDABAD


Life at IIMA
------------

I. Academics:

Still getting used to the pace here. Hazaar mugging. Doing 8 full courses -
1. Operations Management 1 - taken by a god called N. Ravichandran (this guys
comands a consultancy fee of $1000/hr. He teaches 3 days here andf 2 days in
France (I think in INSEAD).
2. Quantitative Methods 1 (linear programming) -taken by another god called
S.K. Barua (ET junta?)
3. Managerial Accounting and Control - all engineers' nightmare
4. Economics Analysis - one of the easier courses here, once again taken by a
well known economist called Ravindra Dholakia
5. Introduction to Computers - basically all about Excel, Visual Basic> and
Access - Excel is god!
6. Writing Analysis and Communications (WAC) - all about writing reports for
your boss
7. Human Resource Management - the softer courses - timepass
8. Individual Dynamics - pschyo stuff in an organization - the softest course
of all!

> Each of those are courses for one semester - each has 4-8 quizzes, along with
n number of submissions and projects. You are
supposed to be well prapared for each class- meaning you have got to have done
the given readings (anything b/w 25-100 pages) and also must have solved all
the exercises along with it. The quantity of work should be evident. However,
the good part is that all the courses are
interesting. You actually enjoy the classes. That brings me to the classes
itself and the pedagogy used here: The Case Method! Each of these
course seem very relevant to the real life because of the case method.
Taken from Harvard, the case method expects the class to learn from aech other
with the instructor acting as the facilitator and the moderator.
Of course how exactly that happenes varies a lot from instructor to
instructor. Almost all the classes have 10% weightage for Class participation
(CP). The pros being that people have to prepare and the classes are very
interactive and they make you think. The cons being
that there always are people who talk too much and too much nonsence at that.
People indulging in Repeat CP and Arbit CP are very prone to bumps after
class. But the diversity of the class does bring up some interesting view
point at times.

RG! If you thought you had seen it all at IIT - come to IIMA! RG is big! Big
time. Everything is about the other person;s input! Thankfully since everyone
puts is a lot of effort, most people end up learning a lot they thought they
never would. RG is especially big in 1st year as the final placement CV
contains only the first year CGPA (or CPI). Each bloody little 2% quiz, which
I would never have cared about at IIT, makes you work bloody hard. We have had
three quizzes already. And two more are scheduled for the coming week. And
believe me, each
of these quizzes make you think - totally shake up all your fundaes. The
midsems are from Aug 7-9 (6 exams - three days) and ditto for the
endsems (some Sept 21 types) and then some 6 day holidays before a new sem!

Most projects and submissions are group submissions. And most of the groups for
each course is different. You have to do a lot of work in
teams - which are very professional. You either put in equal amount of work
and you are out.

Everything is about academics here. Your life is acads. You live, eat and
sleep with your cases and readings and submissions!

Ethics and discipline are the sacrosanct here. You cheat and you will thrown
out. No cogging, no taping of assignments. No
lifting senior's work. There have been cases where picking up just the
headings from a senior's report has attracted an FF grade. Coming
late to class is highly risky. Not attending classes would normally get you
an II grade (not completed) - and I am talking about not attending something
like 3 out of 25 classes. The _only_ reasons considered as good enough are that
you are sick and cannot move out of bed. Else you
better be in class!


II. Everything else
Everything else though a small portion of life here is significant enough for
me to write a few words about it.
Facilities: You are here to study. Almost everything else is done for you. You
have a comp and a personal phone in your room. A sweeper comes everyday to
clean your room. The rooms have very good furniture - computer desk, racks,
almirah, a revolving chair ) etc. A fellow comes every 2-3 days to take your
clothes for washing. Moreover each dorm has one fully automatic washing
machine! Everything in the insti is a 2 min walk. My room overlooks the liby
and our class rooms. Infact for my dorm, the classrooms are nearer than our
mess!

Dorm Culture: Some 450 odd students spread over 18 dorms! Each dorm has b/w
20-30 rooms over 2-3 floors. A strong dorm culture (very much like the wings at
IIT)! Each dorm has a pantry with a fridge, a hot plate, a toaster where you
can drink CDs anf juice and eat stuff like bread toast with cheese! And then
the standard stuff - dorm dinners, dorm tempos shouts (the most common one goes
like: D13 ka tempo,
HIGH HAI, baaki sab ki le li, ZIGZAG ZIGZAG; the exact words in the tempo
shout vary with the focus audience )), dorm GBMS, dorm fundaes sessions!
Rems! Remedials are a big part of life. The idea being you learn from people
around you. You take rems from people who are good at something you are not.
Profs take rems; 2s, i.e. the 2nd yearites take rems whenever asked for, in
fact stud batchmates of your also take rems. Basically crash courses!

Oh yes! Birthdays are a big thing here. You contribute to a dorm fund and then
on each person's birthday is celebrated with lots of
bumps, a big cake, chips and coke, and a lot of nataak. You are supposed to
fight your way through to the cake to blow your candles. Then people finally
fly you to the cake in superman mode. The whole dorm looks forward to birthdays
because the birthday manager of the dorm (yes yes I know ) must get all the
people the birthday fellows want to invite for his birthday.

The rest in everything else: Lots of intra dorm stuff. Since all the dorms are
nearby, there is a lot of interaction. A lot of events are focussed on getting
people to interact and get to know each other. Ramp parties every fortnight,
talent night, welcome night, some little bit of sports etc. Thankfully, the 2s
do play regularly here. And there are some decent facilities - tennis courts,
basky, cricket pitch, a small footer field, gym etc. I have very recently
started playing footer regularly here. Good fun as usual. Infact some interdorm
matches are also happening.

What else? Hmm.. Yes the percentage of girls is pretty much just as bad as at
IIT. Some 18 girls out of 180 here. Nothing much to say here but
that at least there is a little more variety than back at IIT
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That more or concludes the Rem on life at IIMA in 2 weeks
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Iim Bangalore - 21-05-2003, 12:05 AM

This is a weird place. I came here so that I could be a rich and successful man
when I got out of here. At least, be on the way. But, the question that now
comes to my mind -as I write this at 5 in the morning, well beyond my normal
sleeping time of 4:00 am -is this - Now that I am here… how do I manage to get
out? Hmm…. gives rise to an interesting thought: " To manage or not to manage"
is the question that most of us are already asking ourselves. There is this
very sick PJ about being at IIMB (or whichever "top 10 B School" you are at).
When you get through, you are on top of the world - you' re special - a winner.
But, when you actually get here, you realize that everyone else also got
through. Most people end up wringing their noses or scratching their heads when
they hear this. But out here, you realize that it is you that is the sick PJ.
Not what you said.

Make no mistake. This is a great place to be. The facilities are great. The
Profs are amazing. That is what our seniors say. To me this is no short of
hell. One-way ticket it seems to me. Sample this. I get up at 8 in the morning.
Go to class without breakfast. Have lunch at 12:30 and then spend most of the
afternoon sleeping. Study in the evening. Break for dinner at 8. At 9 it is
back to the books. And sleep at 4 in the morning. And that is my regular
schedule. The culprit as every IIM wallah knows is RG.

As soon as you enter the hallowed portals of an IIM, the first piece of jargon
that you are introduced is RG - Relative Grading. Which in simple English means
that you could have scored 90%, but the grade you get depends on how many
people are in front of you. Imagine a situation where you got a B with a 90,
just because half the class got more than you! You realize pretty soon that
people are not telling you the truth about what they did. And though not
widespread, they are giving you wrong answers to questions to make sure you get
that one mark less.

Isn't this a very depressing picture? Is this what you never expected could be
happening at an IIM? Unfortunately it all does. But, that is just to tell you
people with stars and management dreams in your eyes that it is tough. I just
wanted to make sure that when you stepped into an IIM, you would know what to
expect. Don't be blissful. We all thought that clearing the CAT was the hard
part. We were corrected in about 3 days after coming here.

But, then a lot of it is also in perception. I came here from REC Surat. That
is a college where you end up with a great job after studying for like 60 days
in 4 years and not even knowing your profs faces until you end up actually
answering a viva to them in the end sem examination, It is also a college where
you have exams only once in a sem and not every third day. Most people that go
there ought to be smart - they coolly take up a job in some big company and get
settled in life. But, then there are also fools like me who look for the
"better things in life", slog their asses out and land up in IIMB.

I'll let you in on a secret. I made the choice of coming to Bangalore because
the city was great. Cal was too far and Lucknow was too hot. Besides, Bangalore
had the nightlife. But duh, I have not been to the city once in the last 68
days I have been here. How do you spell it? P-U-B??? Oh, then they said that
IIMB had the most amazing women. The women that I always dreamed of as I went
around REC Surat praying to be delivered from the drought. First day at IIMB:
Voila! It was true. Women at last! This was going to be fun. I was already
imagining all sorts of stuff. You always do when you come off 4 years in a
class with 30 guys and not much more. But, dreams they say end soon. Mine did
the next day. That was when I realized that all those angels that had lit up my
life for the last 24 hours were those that had graced this place a year back.
As far as our batch went, it should suffice to say - to put it diplomatically -
there were no angels. Was I depressed??

But that was because class had not yet started. The big picture had only
started to unveil itself. We belong to a batch that is one-fourth IIT. Bad?
More than half our batch has work experience. Hah! And there are only 21 women.
To be a guy like me - fresh out of an REC, no work experience, looking for
visual stimulation and to enjoy two years out here is what is spelt b-a-n-e by
the best dictionaries. And what is worse is that summer placements are coming
up in a month. We've got all the biggies lined up just waiting to "lap up the
best talent". If you were me, you'd know exactly why the part in the inverted
commas depresses me.

Not to say that it is the end of the world though. For people like me (and
don't be mistaken there are many), we have what we affectionately call the
'Learning Mode'. That is our answer to the RG's of the world. We are not here
for grades. We are here to learn. That is our philosophy. The whole point is
that we are reconciled to the fact that if not JP Morgan, we could always turn
to our friendly neighborhood paanwallah and setup JP Murugan. We have an answer
to everything. You can't knock us down. At least not until the day you go to
Lehman and we, to God knows where.

So , till we meet again (and don't get your hopes too high). Adios.
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iim calcutta - 21-05-2003, 12:08 AM

MY TRIP :

I left Trivandrum on Saturday 8th of June by the Madras mail .I
reached Madras on Sunday morning 7.45 and then caught the Coromandel Express to Calcutta ( Howrah ) at 9.00 AM. The journey through Andhra was a miserable experience as the scenery was absolutely nothing : just miles and miles of eyesore land. There were some parts when the tracks ran parallel to the seashore and i could see the salt fields where they dried the sea water to extract salt. The Andhra portion continued till late night and I was a relieved person to wake up the next day in another state : Orissa. Then I reached Bengal : whic hreminded me a lot of Kerala with very similar scenery but only one difference: the abject squalor of the place , the dirt , the ramshackle huts,
the collapsing buildings and the obvious poverty when compared to the land from which I came. It had rained heavily the previous night and so it was a very comfortable journey till noon. I reached the Calcutta station at 2.15 and the last 5 kms were covered in abt 30 minutes owing to the pitiable state of the railway tracks it seems. After reaching the platform it took me another 15 minutes of walk to reach the gate from where I could get a pre paid taxi. I was carrying 2 suitcases and a shoulder bag all filled to the brim with the items I thought i will need for the next 4 months. I was travelling all alone ... my
argument being Am I not a grown up person enough to travel alone the 2700 or so kms?

The prepaid taxi counter had a queue 20 people deep and around us
we had touts offering to take us whereever by " Meter " . Thanks to a few of my
friends who had already reached the place I knew enough to go by the prepaid
taxi so as not to get fleeced. The train was scheduled to arrive at 1.45 and my
registration was till 3 pm for the day failing which I could register the next
day with a Fine of rs.500. I got into a taxi which would not have qualified to
run on the roads of Trivandrum and its maximum speed was about 30 km per hour.
Its speedometer, distance travelled meter, petrol level indicator were all not
working . The Taxi hummed and hawed its way through traffic and finally reached
Diamond Harbour road at 2.55. I was gleed as I knew IIM C was on DH road. But
it was just the start of a long wait. It takes about 8 km or so on the Diamond
Harbour road to reach Joka and my eagerness to reach slowly gave way to
impatience as I finally reached IIM C at 3.25 PM. I went to the PGP office and
to my shock was allowed to register without even a single question ( what I had
heard of IIM s I had thought even a 5 minute delay would not be allowed).

I then went to the hostel and registered where i was sent to a
preallotted room. Annexe : 146. The room, that has now been my home for the
last 1and half months is 10 ft long * 8 feet wide * 12 feet high. It has One
bed ( thankfully 6 and half feet long : one of my worries was whether I could
get a bed to fit my 6'2 frame ) , one table and chair : the table has 3 drawers
which can be opened and closed every time as an exercise to strenghten my
shoulder muscles; one almirah - wooden, one clothes rack , one mattress, a
power switch and Lan port for my computer, a fan , a tube , a bulb, a power
point, a back door that opens out to a lawn, the front view from my front door
is also a lawn nicely trimmed on which on rare occasions are played foot ball
and cricket and a shelf fixed on the wall where I can keep books - it has 3
layers each 3 feet wide , 1 ft deep and 1 ft high. There are wash rooms after
every 7 rooms : each wash room having 2 toilets, 1 shower, 2 urinals and 2
washbasins, tiled floors. The floor of my room is mosaic and walls are white
washed : with the problem of choona : whenever u lean on the wall the wall lets
you have a bit of itself. The interior of the almirah is painted using
distemper so clothes are better off. Most people here have got around this by
putting chart paper on the walls so that at least some protection is there for
our heads when we lean on the wall . There is also one window close to tht
back door . One cant open it at night owing to the bugs coming in and though a
mosquito net is planned it may take ages to materialise thanks to the
bureaucracy here.

One thing that stands out about the system here is the inefficient
bureaucracy : there are 500 students and for them and 100 teachers are about
250 staff. 3 buses go to the city every day to pick up staff. The Campus has a
faculty block, a hostel block, an academic block ( where are the class rooms
and lecture halls ) , administrative block ( where the bureaucrats reign ), a
library , an excellent air conditioned auditorium which on prime sight looks
like a tape recorder with 2 long speakers on the side, a State bank of India
branch ( more on this later ) , an ICICI ATM, 3 hostels : Old Hostel or
Ramnujan house; White House or Tagore house with an Annexe ; and New Hostel [
OH, WH, NH] ; a central school. And most visible of all in campus is the 7
lakes in it.

There are roads and it takes abt 5 min from annexe to the classrooms by walk
and 8 min from NH to classrooms. All the girls are in the OH and this is the
hostel for the dandys :in CET lingo for the Pancharas and in the IIM lingo the
Geelas. Strength is about 110 , 150 , 240 in the OH, WH , NH respectively.
There are trees on the roads and on these roost the birds. At night the roads
get whitewashed with bird shit and they STINK . The lakes with all respect are
now polluted and dirty and they too add to the stink. All aesthetics apart all
that is said abt the lakes is nothing : they are a monument more to the
dirtiness of the place rather than enhancers of pritine beauty. The remaining
campus is more or less ok with well kept lawns .

CALCUTTA

The city of Calcutta is a dirty stinking place. From whatever bit of it I have
seen the open drainage system makes is a city which is fully and completely the
Chalai market of trivandrum, at best. Roadside drains are everywhere and one
had better watch where one steps . Compared to this the IIM campus is heaven
with no visible eyesores. At parts like around the Auditorium and near the
management centre for human values the beauty is innate. I feel the basic
problem is the mindset of the people who have got accustomed to the dirt and
cant get it changed, and the bureaucracy which sucks big time : compared to
this what i felt was an overstaffed and underworking bureaucracy is kerala is a
dream. Both are communist states and these sightts reinforce a lot of feelings
about the difference between the theory the communists preach and what they
practice and for this sole reason they should be put to task. I had been
previuosly to IIM B & K campuses and when compared to either of them except
for the Audi, the place falls flat. A great example of the bureaucracy is the
letter delivery sytem : the post office delivers students letters to the admn
block where they lie in a box till the box overflows and some one dumps the
letters to the hostel from where it is put in a box at the OH and disappears
from the WH and NH. 2 weeks from date of postage is early arrival here. And if
u r in WH or NH getting a letter calls for a party. Couriers and speed post
comes to your room , and if u r lucky enough when you are there , else the
hostel office may collect it for you.

The SBI : supposed to open at 10 : on a day i wanted money for my comp I went
there at 9.55 and was first in queue when counter opened at 10.20. got my money
at 10.45 a transaction I would have done in 2 min max at my IOB bank in TVM.
Someone chews pan, someone comes late , the cash is not yet taken out ... silly
godddamn ways of not doing work. 2 days to get an account, 30 minutes to get a
checkbook no work will be done if u reach at 10 minutes to closing time ie if u
reach at 4.50 and bank closes by 5 they will say it wont be possible today ,
come tomorrow. No lunch break so everyone can take a 2 hr break as and when
they feel like in between their tea breaks. And the branch is computerised. !.
No wonder all my seniors have ICICI accounts.

But the people here are friendly : when you are asking for directions, asking
for something in a shop and shopkeeper doesnt understand : they do help out.
The basic good nature of the people is evident. Languages : Bengali, hindi,
English to an extent. Citibank gave all IIM students a free Credit Card ... and
sent the card to our home addresses in TVM/ Agra/ Jabalpur etc. ICICI also said
they will give free card but its been 35 days since i applied and no card.

The best thing about Calcutta i found was the transport system :it runs on a
mix of buses / autos / metro /trams/ taxis : and it works . i never had to wait
for over 10 minutes at any place for transport to anywhere. Firstly the pride
of the system : the metro or the underground railway : clean neat and
efficient. trains run in 2 directions only : from tollygunge to dum dum or vice
versa. trains every 10 minutes. fast and electric. 1 min travel half minute
stop. fastest means of getting thru city . all kinds of people travel . tickets
minimum 4 rs max 6 rs. Comparable with what I had seen in movies aby say US or
Paris metro. If anyone comes to Calcutta it will be a pity if he doesnt travel
at least once on it. NO dirt and well maintained. cant praise it enough. Autos
are not like Trivandrum sytem : a driver collects 4 -5 passengers and goes from
one junction to the next and back : there are routes and a driver can only run
in between them. Its a kind of shuttle service. All vehicles except the metro
look in horrible condition but they move. Engines are good and well maintained.
Buses have seats parallel to sides. cheap again as are autos and trams. I took
a 1.45 hr bus journey for 5 rupees ( nearly the time from kollam to Tvm and
half the distance) Trams : are majestic : run smoothly on the middle of the
road / damn cheap comfortable /electric powered/ slow but steady. Taxis are
costly and drivers do try to fleece you. They shift routes and the meter system
is meter *2.4 for old meters and meter *1.2 for new meters and for a first time
rider its damn confuding when meter reads 40 and driver asks for 100.But over
all : Hats off to the sytem of transport : it works.

HOSTELS

The oldest hostel is the OH and its the centre of activities cos of .. . the
girls. The smallest hostel but they hold the most chased after people. Senior
batch has abt 17 girls and we have 27. They are of all shapes and sizes and
ages. I have classmates 5 years older than me (f) and 13 years older than me
(m). There is a guy from IAF with 11 years work ex, A telecom guy with 8 years
work ex, A person who was working in Andersen ( wonder what he is doing here ?
? ? ) , A professional background singer in Telugu movies, national motorcross
racer , graduates from : Bsc Physics, Bsc Maths, MA economics, MA psychology,
besides the usual CA , Btech/ BE , B.com , BA Economics. The batch is over all
very tall.255 strong / 27 f ; Guys out here are fabulous : Rich ones ,
Goodlooking ones , Brainy ones : any type you want you have them. Supposedly 90
% of girls used to get married before they left IIM C at one stage of time ,
but now the ratio has come down . "Couples " are there and am accustomed to
seeing people in guys rooms at all periods of time : there are people who go to
their room only to change.

OH is also charcterised by Mohan da's : the shop there for all purposes . Each
hostel has a shop : others having Kamal Da' s and Kotler ( NH). Mohan d a was
the first and his is the widest net : food , biscuits, pepsi, water : bottles
and jars ; batteries, cell phones, phone cards, ticket booking for aeroplanes /
trains , buckets, stationery , sweets : U name it he has it : or will get it
for u.
The water here sucks : salty : even calcutta people find it salty : they are
accustomed to some degree os saltish water. Hence every one uses Mineral water
in 20 litre cans ( MRP 50 but charged 60) Kinley (OH), Bailley ( WH) and Aqua
Fina ( NH). Pepsi rules the land. NO COKE anywhere. there are 3 separate messes
in each hostel not the unified mess as in IIM B. there is a 24 hr night canteen
in the WH . food timings: 8 - 10 breakfast, 1-2 Lunch ,5-6 tea,8-9 dinner. the
shops close by 2 am and open at 10 am. There is also a kiosk in the acad block
for packet snacks and juices and cigarettes.

FOOD

Bfast : definitely : bread / jam / butter / tea/ cofee/ omlette/ boiled eggs
and one of : idli/ dosa/ vada/ puri/ paratha/ oothappam/ poka ( or aval ) /
upma with whatever curry. 2nd best meal of the day.
Lunch & dinner : Chapati / rice / sambar or rasam ( both called so but no south
indian touches it ) / dal of some type / pickle/ salad/ sugar / one or two dry
curries : mixed veg / ladies finger / brinjal/ cabbage / and MOST COMMON :
POTATO. Non veg once a day : chicken or fish; other time it is an extra. once
in a fortnight is chinese : with fried rice and noodles and chilly chicken.
only time when the food is enjoyable. Soups are there daily : but extra.
Pappad: once a month. there are sweets 4 times a week : gulab jamun / rasmalai/
shrikhand/ Ice cream / Misti dahi . there is a juice man in the canteen who
gives : musambi juice / banana shake / mango shake / milo ( 15/10 / 15 / 10 )
but problem is no ice : room temp stuff.
Tea : tea/ coffee/ cold drinks ( tang : mango / pineapple / lime/ orange ) and
a snack ne of [ samosa/ katchori / cutlet/ bonda/ bread with cucumber or
tomato in it / bun with vegetables put in the middle ]{ no choice } or some
biscuits. The best meal of the day as the samosas or whatever are hot and juice
is cold and unlimited.

Morning time is an inactive one here at the hostels : people, esp seniors get
up in time for lunch unless there is something special. At night 3 the sight is
different : all rooms lighted up hum of activity the place is happening seniors
are working and usually people go to sleep btw 4 and 6.

SYLLABUS

Subjects for PGDM ( PG Diploma in Management):Statistics -I : Probability ,
binomial / normal/ exponential ditributions / continouos & discrete /
regression and a lot more. 1/3 is IQC or Statistical quality control of s7
syllabus. Teacher is Rahul Mukherjee : ex-head of Indian Statistical Institute.
Great teacher, ok subject.
Financial accounting : the hurdle for most engineers : accountants have it
easy here. started with balance sheets and profit and loss accounts. Teacher is
SG : looks like ol' M ayyappan. waste class , i feel, but paper is tough.
Behavioural Science -I : psychology based : easy to learn and get marks :
teachers SSS and LC : ok both ladies and both hus work in IIM C . text is
Robbins. Also called Organisational Behaviour ( S8 industrial paper)
Microeconomics : demand/ supply/ monopoly etal . Ok . AR & AS teachers .
Objective paper for exam. tough to get grades. kind of continuation from 2nd
year Humanities.
Qualifying Maths : Integration / differentiation / matrices : 12th std
portions. but have to know.
IEPH : Indian economic and Political History : story of economy from 1700 to
1947 ( up to midterms )
Then after midterms can choose btw : International Geo Politics ( asean/
nato/ saarc etc ) / Environment / IEPH ( 1947- 1991).
I chose IEPH.
PGDCM ( PG Diploma in Computer Management ) Students have last 2 papers
different: 4GL ( C and VB), Data Structure and Algorithms.
It is relative grading : top 5 % of batch gets A+, last 5 % gets F. Points are
alloted as per grade for CGPA ( Cumulative Grade Point Average ): A+ :9 to B- :
4 ; C+ : 3 and F :0. 3 Fs and you are out of IIM C. If first year Cgpa is less
than 4.5 repeat first year: one chance. if at end of 2nd year CGPA is less than
5 no degree : no chance of reexam.

SPORTS :

There is a badminton court and a TT table in each hostel , a common basket
ball court on which are also played cricket and hockey. Football is played on
one of 3 open spaces and all 3 are slushy : one played in ankle deep mud till
now partly due to the rains . Chess is basically non existent. Computer games
are more the rage. There is also a tennis court with 4 sides covered with metal
mesh. Most sports have their play time at night. there have been cricket
matches going on till 3.30 in the morning and tt has no closing schedule. the
good ol' 28 / 56 are unseen. Swimming is planned in a new swimming pool - but
the present lakes are unswimmable.There is also a gymnasium : pretty well
equipped.

General Stuff ( actually i do not want to classify the rest .. just paras in
random )

Each hostel has also a common room with sofas and TV and newspapers and
magazines : by and large rarely unvisited by the students. Also a lot of
students subscribe to economic times / times of india to their rooms. The TV
room is cramped for space when the cricket matches are on. people go and grab
spots 30 min before start of match for a decnt match. But come test matches its
empty. people are more contented to log on to cricinfo.com and get updates than
walk to the tv room. The main library is big and beautiful. lots of books.
magazines / newspapers / journals : again time crunch for it to be utilised.

The ruling students body is the students council. annual elections. 3 PGP
representatives. Each hostel has a mess secretary and a hostel secretary .A
general Hosatel affairs secretary ( GSec eqvt ) , then a sports secy , then 3
placement reps and 3 placecom members. Placements cell is the most powerful
unit. Summer placements start in september, final placements end of feb on.
Seniors will handle our summer placements and PGP 1 has to handle final
placements for seniors -a kind of trade off.

Tata has a presence in the campus c/o its Tata Hall which is a kind of guest
house to accomodate executives coming for training programmes. Students can
avail of the mess facility provided they give suitable notice : 60 rs for lunch
or dinner : but the food is much better than in the mess. Accomodation
facilities can be obtained for parents/ relatives :at concessional rates of
500 / room / day.

The main events of the calender year are the 6 exams : 2 per semester : 5
weeks of classes then exams. Then there is INTAGLIO the intercollegiate
management fest in november , eXCel in October where IIM C vs XLRI competitions
take place one year in XLRI and the next year in IIM C: events are in sports
and culturals. There is a World war for the first years which is basically a 4
day non stop publicity competition in which each hostel has to bring out a
theme and a mascot and popularise it: ie market it : make posters / banners /
slogans / give demos / make noise / skits / raids / in general a first hand
experience of marketing : a kind of 3 day long ad mad or brand wars
competition. This year WH had a theme of Balls and a motto of this ball is ours
with a globe on top. Also the main slogan was balls to u.

the night canteen has a better menu than mess: aloo paratha / plain paratha/
mooli paratha / bread / toast / omlette / channa / noodles/ maggi / chowmein /
tea / coffee/ pepsi / beer/ cigarettes/ sweets / cakes/ packet stuff/ milk
shakes / fruits/ etc room service also avail able. its a 24 hr canteen but is
called night canteen.

What might distinguish IIM C from others is a concept called tutes or tutorials
in which seniors take classes for juniors.These happen mostly at night at 9 to
2 at night depending on the convenience of the senios in question. a senior is
allotted 20 to 30 juniors and he or she is responsible for getting these people
good grades. They giive assignments which are supposedly more important than
the regular work and at times when 3 or 4 assignments come up one is dead : no
sleep just work and work.

The t shirts here are also quite interesting : Sack and crack is a motto : u
slack through the course but when the marks are out you have cracked it !!!. "
It is a tough job being smart , but someone's got to do it " " 7 lakes 6
semesters 5 blocks 4 lecture theatres 3 hostels 2 years IIM C "

The computers in the computer centre are IBM 1984 models with 16 bit memories :
so slowwwwwwwww that no one even goes there.Each person has a computer is his /
her room and the net connection is good. Downloads speeds of 150 + kbps have
been achieved but 20 kbps is more the standard. LAN is huge : each has 40 gb of
HDD at an average and so innumerable movies , of all kinds , games , project
reports, all songs possible and god alone knows what. internal messengers are
also there. There is something called a blue board in which students can paste
messages : this is the main medium of news in here : all details of schedules /
classes / birthdays / lost things / cribs etc are put here. On an average 50
-100 messages a day.

On birthdays the person has to provide sweets . He will be kicked at 00 am by
any and all and people are invited to come with Boots and before and after his
kicks his room sidemates are kicked. so a person will be kicked for his
birthday and for the birthdays of his "sideys". guys kick guys and girls kick
girls. There was one instance of a boy spending so much time in the girls
hostel room that for his birthday he was kicked by the girls.:-)

the lecture theatres are where the main classes are held. L3 is biggest and can
seat 250 people. L 1 is 100 , L2 is 120 , L4 is 150 seaters. Some lectures
taken by good profs are overfilled ie people from otehr classes also come down
and there might be people sitting o n the floor for the class. one of the small
LTS has : 42 tubes , 13 fans , LCD projector, OHP , screen , 4 panel
blackboard, cushioned seats , panelled desks , and all LTS are central AC.
Uncomparable to a college classroom.

I have been typing this mail in bits and pieces over the last 1 month and am
sure the paragarphs may not make coherent reading. I am quitting this on the
4th of August 2 AM and whatever is in is in and whatever is not is not. I have
tried to cover as much of the life as i could but i can see from a glance that
this is hardly comprehensive and even if i try to type more i may be able to
never stop :there is so much to write . At some stage I have to call it quits
and I am doing so now.

I would appreciate any and all queries , and hopefully i will accumulate a few
and answer to them in all. Hope fully I can be able to type out a IIM C story
Part 2 .. 3... etc . Will try but no promises. Ask for any specific details
you want to know to my personal email id : not the group ids. I am adding below
some mails / articles about life in IIM / Mba by some other people.Do not take
them at face value but be sure there is more than an element of truth in each
one.

4. IIM CALCUTTA from a girls point of view

It was just yesterday, after many days of reading many mails that the thought
struck me as to why dont i see any women participating in this discussion. And
if no other women are, then why dont I? Because, I, for one definitely have
very strong feelings about the whole issue...

And I think the reason i came up with was : How do i care??....i have lived
through that hell hole for two years and i really dont care toremember
it...really dont care to change it and really don't think any of this will
help....

Thank God for Nidhi...for her writing a mail and expressing her views....which
i completely agree with....and which make me feel that the discussion will
never be fair and complete as long as is it the judge, jury, defendents and the
witnesses only who speak...What about the plaintiff

here..what about the women....so i am going to volunteer my very personal views
on this discussion

I am not really sure if we (any of us) see the overall picture of what we are
talking about and about what happens with/to women as they go through IIMC.
Because these things happen in a fragmented way..spread over two years....to
different people (in varying intensities)and most of all the overall acceptance
and the lack of outcry is so huge...that they don't get noticed for what they
really are...gross injustice to a certain set of people...

Within the boundary walls of Joka, we have over the years created a place where
we feel that normal rules of society don't apply. Where civilisation as we know
it in the outside world ceases to exist in some ways...Morals don't matter and
basic respect for human beings is not really necessary...

I am going to just present a picture of some of the things i saw happen and
also went through some of them myself and i just want us all to take a minute
and think if any of us would have done of these things outside Joka at
all...and that if this was done outside the confines of Joka, what would have
been the repercussions of that....legal, moral and social....

A vey small fraction of the incidents that i saw at Joka in my two years there:

Putting up of a website which is the first thing which flashes on the screens
at the computer centre every time a person logs in and where a person can go
and vote for all the women in his batch and the junior/senior batch along
various dimensions...and no prizes for guessing that the dimensions were not
best smile, most intelligent person...etc..etc...

Putting up a well-crafted and witty poem in all hostels on two women colleagues
who are good friends with each other alleging lesbian relationships..just for
kicks and to show mastery at poetry

Not so 'Disguised' references to women in con quizzes and oaths linking them to
varied men on campus in extremely lewd situations and administering these
quizzes/oaths to the entire campus...do any of you men know how much effort it
takes to walk out of your room the next morning with your head high...when the
whole campus has read something like that about you the night before???

Commenting loudly (to ensure that the subject of the comment clearly hears it)
on specific parts of the anatomy of a woman player while a match is going on at
XL-IIMC meet??? Do you think anyone would care to still play a sport in a
situation like that???

A concerted effort by a guy and 30 people around him to continually harass a
woman until she finally decides to 'go around' with this person..doesn't this
person have a life of her own????

Photographs of women being ripped off/stolen from the common NBSM display...

Making sure that any woman who is wearing white during the dunking week is
actually dunked...

Each wing having a running rating of their women colleagues....reducing your
own colleagues to the level of sex objects???

Throwing of coins at the women while they are performing on the talent
night..by men who are drunk and have gajras in their hands...

Surfing through porn sites in the computer centre when there is a woman sitting
on the comp next to you or right behind you...

Trading and bidding for women during world wars,tutes....

etc.etc.etc....i hope you all get the picture....These and all other events
like these, i am sure, are punishable under sexual abuse, sexual harassment and
a number of other laws...then why do these things go unnoticed (or rather are
appreciated) in Joka...

Now this is not done to some unknown woman on the street...but to the person
who sits next to you in the class, who is in your own project group, who comes
from a respectable family, who is supposed to be one of the more intelligent
people in this country....what gave anyone the right to subject her to
something like that...

And why is all this done? Does she enjoy it? I am sure not...I shudder even at
the memory of such things...Are other people so devoid of entertainment in
their lives that this is what they need to resort to???? What happened to TV,
sports, comic books, literature, music, triple X rated movies, porn
magazines.....aren't those enuff for everyone's private entertainment that
people need to resort to stuff like this at whatever level and at whatever
scale....Why does even a single one of these events need to take place when
there are a whole host of other ways for everyone to have a good time..e.g. a
well organised con....or a fun dance party....or whatever...

IIMC has its benefits...The boy-girl ratio can make every woman feel like the
prom queen, Miss World or whatever else at some point of time or the other...

and then there are the pits...where you feel like society has stooped to i dont
know what century where women are just sex objects and nothing else....and i
personally would rather trade both of them off then have both of them exist...
however, if we all think about it...it is really possible to have one and not
the other....

So why does all/any of this need to happen..in the name of tradition???why cant
our traditions be clean and fun for all...why can't our traditions ensure that
not a single person gets hurt intentionally...why cant our traditions be within
the confines of the norms of normal society....Who gave us the right to create
an artificial society and at times a disgusting society within the walls of
Joka....when we all are actually a part of the larger world
outside...????????????????????????????????
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iim lucknow - 21-05-2003, 12:12 AM

5.IIM LUCKNOW excerpts from chat :

seniors draggin us around for their 'focus gds' : cant even thnk of the
submissions i have tomo :a presentation.. 2 assignments.. a case.. n an
essay..; manageemnt aaccounting iz sposed to be the bane of all engineers..
;classes.. i donno.. too sleepy durin classes..
the lectures are baad. but the case studies.. when we get into groups and all.
those are fun..
other papers.. communications.. for half term.. then oper. mgmt for other half
term
quantitative analysis
legal aspects of mgmt..
ob
eco..
IT in mgmt
classes 8.30 to 1.00 , even on sturdays...

we hv parties every other week... sat nite.. loud music... dancin... n booze
flowin...

addition : One of my friends who had got through IIM L quit it to join infy.
The place dint agree with him : also the food / hostel / life . life in any IIM
is tougher than in IIM C cos here we have no attendance or marks for attendance
.. seriously that is the only reason I have not gone mad here.
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scmhrd - 21-05-2003, 12:15 AM

1. SYMBIOSIS

well i've joined scmhrd(symbiosis institute for management and human resource
development),pune...they have a new campus...me 1st batch in hingevadi in the
pune it park.this place is pretty far away from civilization.but we do have
cts,wipro and infosys as our neighbors.lots of space ard...and superb breeze 24
hrs!!
my college is more like a military trainin camp or worse.we had to get up at
530am for art of livin course and then had 8 hrs of classes with only 45 mt
lunch break in between.that was our foundation course.we have a whole lot of
assignments to submit...and not to forget the 100% attendance which makes it
impossible to bunk .apart from this we have a segregated fixed seatin
arrngement....girls on 1 side..boys on the other.they dont encourage too much
interaction between the 2.we¡¯ve gt weekly quiz¡¯s..including that for sub¡¦and
they don¡¯t let us know which sub comes..meanin we got to go tru all the 13 sub
taught to us.
now our 1st trimester has started....7-745 yoga/workout.750-830 ma
workout.930-12 40 class.130-2 relaxation or kaizen(a quality programme where we
generally go abt cleanin the college includin toilets),,,then 515-830 classes
again...can roam ard till 1030 then back to hostel and then 12 lights out(btw
they fine us if we don¡¯t do so)....sat and sun were not free...but tfrom this
week on they r....every sat...we either have an outward bound(they take us
somewhere) or ceo seminars or mini seminars or talent display...and the
like...every moment we r on our toes ...smthgalways has to be done. Our
director¡¦a mallu is slightly crazy¡¦once he opens his mouth he rants and
raves, loves to talk abt his achievements¡¦believes his method of impartin
knowledge is holistic..we hear that wrd in every add of his-combo of iq,eq
andsq.
life is hectic...have lost wt ( a gr8 thing for me)...so u can
understnd the silence from my side... we will be soon gettin net connection
here....have met quite a few imp personalities after comin here...azim
premji..he gave us our first address...then kiran bedi,pramod mahajan and t n
sheshan who happens to be x faculty... me the only keralite girl here...rest
mostely from delhi and cal...guys not too gr8...girls r smarter...ard 8-9 from
kerala......and im yet to c pune...heard its a gr8 place.

**********
hi people
im snehal agarwal batch of 2004 at scmhrd.

SCMHRD moved to hinjewadi infotech park, next to cognisant, tata tech , wipro and infosys.IN PUNE(an all new on campus course)

nice company, but we hardly see anyone, no not because of the IT slump, its cause we get grilled 24-7-365

no two/4 wheelers
no nightouts
lights out at 12
no ’’pairing’’ (tsk..tsk..)
no jeans
90% attendence every week
how many weeks it took me to get to the cities night spots---- ’’10’’

we are 10 kms from the city , so any one who wants to come here to party ...FORGET IT !!

most business schools like AMITY , SIBM ,NARSI all have a very good student perception , lets face it guys the students enjoy them selves, parties, girls nightouts, here at SCMHRD we hate life while we are here.

BUT isint life as hard too ??
this place makes you ready for the real world
the courageous and hard skinned only need apply.

*************


’’Oh Sh@#, get up, get up... we’re gonna be late..AGAIN!!’’ And thus begins another day at one of the craziest, coolest, most frustrating and rewarding places to learn-unlearn, break apart-rebuild and just plain age 20 years in 2...

Confused?? Don’t worry..all will be revealed. Read on pilgrim and don’t touch that remote.. ;-))

What is SCMHRD (SCM)??

Well, this is one of the new kids on the block. Its a b-school established in 1993 in the Oxford of the East (Pune), and in its short (but illustrious) life has climbed rapidly up the ranking charts. Last year, SCM was ranked among the top 10 b-schools in the country (the reasons will follow shortly). The director is Prof. Pillai (an ex-Air Force man and HR consultant) and he leads with an iron hand...sigh!! This year it has come in the top 9 as per Eco Times rankings. It is an autonomous institute, and the entrance exams are held on the first sunday of December. This year there were 19000 applicants for 200 seats..Wow!!

Why talk about it??

Well..why not..its a topic here.. heh heh, no seriously, scm has a number of firsts to its credit and it has pioneered the concept of learning through experience and tries to be a leadership gurukulam rather than just a b-school. Impressed(u should be), disbelieving..(tsk tsk..read on). Furthermore yours truly did his MBA (finance) from here and got a campus placement at HDFC Bank’s treasury.. (So there...;-))

Acting on the suggestion from gem, lets talk about courses offered and subjects covered:

The main streams are Finance, Marketing, HR, Systems and Projects Management. These are 2 year, full time, Post Graduate Diplomas in Management (PGDM). There is also a 1year, full time PG in HRD (PGDHRD), which is for the post graduates. The first year is common for all, where we learnt about the Basics in Accounting, Corporate Finance, Marketing, Applied Research, Behavioural Sciences and many more. The second year involves specialised subjects which begins after the 2month (May & June) summer project in a corporate environment. The faculty for Finance and HR are really first class while the other streams are still working on getting good faculty. The school is extremely dependent on the Visiting Faculty (mostly alumni and luminaries from the industry) and there is really an excellent input from these groups.

How is it done??

Well, the one philosophy that stands apart at scm is that of experiential learning. Admissions, placements, development programmes, cultural festivals et all are done by the students themselves. This creates a tremendous amount of pressure, but ensures that the students are on their toes throughout the 2 years. Imagine carrying the question papers around the country, conducting the entrance exams and ensuring that the sealed papers reach back safely (other than paper setting and checking everything is solely in the hands of the students). Imagine co-ordinating placement visits, visualising and printing placement brochures, conducting the placements for 200 students involving 1000 cos plus. Imagine conducting Management Development Programmes at Mumbai, Delhi, Bangalore and Hyderabad in successive days after approaching 500 corporates. Imagine conducting the pan India cultural festival involving 30 colleges and 30-40 events....

Imagine..imagine...phew.. The mind boggles man.. But the trust the insti puts in us really makes us rise to the occasion...

Add to this 40 subjects in the 1st year and 25 in the second year and you will see why I said that the pressure is enormous. But the autonomous status means that the students set their own syllabi and subjects, which helps in studying contemporary stuff!!!

I mean after scm, anything else is peanuts.

The college makes no bones about the kind of pressure there will be. I mean, which other b-school will have a WARNING page in the prospectus (very clearly mentions the rules and kind of life expected, and if unable to take it, get out and stay out).

Another thing that really stands out is the discipline. Attendance is compulsory(95%) and god help those who are short.. One of my classmates could not write her exams, even though she was short by 0.01%..yoicks. Guess the directors military background shows..eh... Jeez!!!

The Stress Busters..
So we have spoken about the pressure cooker atmosphere... But scm does not stop there, it provides tools to tackle this pressure (most effective, I might add). First of all the day starts with Yoga & Workouts, at 6.30 am, I might add (that explains the first line..heh heh). This does get the day off to a bright start (how much ever we may complain abt it then..).

At the beginning of the first year we go for a 10 day Vipassana course, due to lack of space I will not mention the details (refer www.dhamma.org). Suffice to say, for the serious doer, this course does wonders. We practiced this for the first year. The start of the second year was with Art of Living (www.artofliving.org). I don’t need to say anything abt this, do I???

After this, the choice was left to the student to take whichever path best suited him/her. Worked wonders for me... :-). We also had many outbound learnings and fun picnics and talent displays. Good fun guys and a wonderful pressure releaser.

The final icing on the cake is the smashing new campus o/s Pune. Surrounded by open land and slam bang in the Infotech Park (with Infosys/Wipro/Cognizant Tech etc as neighbours), the campus boasts hostels, a huge library, a swimming pool and a big auditorium. But the all too familiar Symbiosis allergy to open spaces (inside the campus) resurfaces with no play ground (when will they learn).

Ooops!!!

After so much good, you might think that you are in the best b-school in the country. But scm has some way to go... The first problem is the lack of quality faculty. This is a common problem afflicting most of the best b-schools around the country. But over here, the problem is exacerbated by the new campus (15kms o/s Pune city). But concrete steps are being taken to address this and hopefully in a year or so this problem will be history.

Next being the sheer volume of extra-curricular activities... I know, i know, I have mentioned it as one of the usp’s, but think about it!! With the kind of hazaar activities a student does, how can he/she be expected to study properly.. What this results in is lack of quality research papers, presentations and pure academic progress. These have been communicated to the director on numerous occasions and he is seriously contemplating introducing a Doctoral level course, which would address some of these problems. But the philosophy remains: Make the students work so hard that no corporate can stress them out.

In Conclusion

In spite (or because) of everything, I still feel if you wanna learn abt life, love (chck out the number of intra-batch marriages..;-)), business and the sheer ability to perform in adverse conditions, there is no other place in India like scmhrd. It is now slowly getting the due recognition it deserves and hopefully the future will see scm scaling new heights...

If you are gonna be applying to scm and want more detailed info (how much more can you take.. i can go on for hours), m2m me and I will be most glad to reply...

Hope this review helps and reaches those who need it the most.... :-))

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It is the quality of education that i have heard is really good. I have never ever personally been a part of the college but then i am waiting for the admissions to be opened so that i can join in as early as possible.As far as the question who should attend definately the people who want to grow and be at good levels in life rather well settled. And as far as shouldn’t the people who just join for the heck of it. as far as i have heard this is one institute where every body wants to be a part of it.


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Two Years at SCMHRD is likely to be a very different experience, for the better as compared to the predictable life at other B-Schools.
Focussing more on all-round personality development, without a compromise on academic rigour - SCMHRD is certainly turning out to be a favourite amongst corporates. Having moved into a new campus this year, infrastructure constraints are likely to become a thing of the past in the institution. With just a 7 history, SCMHRD has grown fast - in all respects, with an extremely able director (Prof.M.S.Pillai) at the epi centre. Sustaining the growth, however is going to be difficult with a plethora of Industry promoted institutions coming up and in the absence of the desire to ’’Grow Bigger’’.


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Symbiosis Center for Management and Human Resource Development (SCMHRD) is ranked among the top ten business schools in country. Eastablished in 1993, this institute is well-know for its quality education and very good placement scenario.

SCMHRD offers a two-year full-time course in Post Graduate Diploma in Management (PGDM). The specializations offered are:
1- Finance.
2- Marketing.
3- Human resource management.

Situated in the model coleny of Pune, SCMHRD stick to the merit list. No capitation or donation fees is required to join this institute and that is the biggest attraction.
with regards
Mandhir Saikia

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SCMHRD is a quite a nice insti for HR ., but if you are serisly planning to enter the top rungs of corporate India, try XLRI, Jamshedpur (undoubtely, India’s Best HR&IR Insti) or TISS, Mumabi ( 2nd Best) ...

SCMHRD is fast catching on these 2 but it still has a lot of distance to cover before it makes an impact on the career choice of budding HR managers

Their programme is compact and the extra curriculars are enforced strictly... yoga in the morning ... also they do not have the culture of a hostel .... people share flats nearby., but course content looks good.



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Re: perceptions of bschools by past students - 21-05-2003, 12:19 AM

well after reading all these (most of em..i have read before)
the "Doubt-of-the Century" ---> "Which One to Join"


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21-05-2003, 12:31 AM

you can thank me,i got and put up only 5 schools.there are around 1000 b-schools in india.reality then will defn continue to Ruin ur Life.
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21-05-2003, 12:50 AM

hey anush.
great work.....

hey is there anyone we can contact regarding the SCMHRD queries?


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at present,i dont know and i dont think any one would be reachable cause he\she would be doing the 3 months project in various companies.i guess the best place to meet any1 would be on june 3rd in hostel.
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