FT - Global MBA Rankings - 2007

[itsrahul]

Originally Posted by nixbert

Call it patriotism if you want but ISB is one school for which I have high expectations.

I've spent around three weeks over past two months at ISB campus and i was completely bowled over by the sheer energy and enthusiasm over there. I am sure that with time ISB is going to be one of the leading global schools!

No doubt ISB is a good school and its gonna go up in rankings but is it really ever gonna be a global/international b-school. The trouble with ISB is that it is based in India - that means most of the applications it will receive will be from Indians among which most of the applicants wud be of IT background. Diversity is and will continue to remain a problem unless the school takes a decision to ensure diversity.

Look at the current batch - it has arnd 80% engineers and most of them would have IT work ex. I sincerely believe that the main learning in an MBA is from peer learning. U gain by interacting with ppl from different backgrounds, with different ideas.

Hence I do not see ISB becoming a truly international school in near future.

[gdhiman]

Can somone provide the link for FT rankings specifically for Finance majors??

I was reading an article from rotman's dean saying Rotman is ranked 7th in the world by FT in Finance.
Can't seem to find that ranking though?

[NegativeCreep]

Originally Posted by Susie Derkins

And it looks like a joke. H and S are No.1. Period. Any ranking that doesn't acknowledge this should not be taken seriously. I saw Yale SOM at No.10 and did not read further.

Oh please! So you're jumping on the Yale SOM is not a B-school bandwagon??? And what do you base this on, may I ask? Not that I have applied to, or am even considering applying to SOM, but this is another pet peeve of mine, where everybody somehow gets off on putting SOM down. Yale, along with HBS, is among the Iviest of the Ivies. And SOM, as a part of Yale, is well up there among the elite too.

So if your opinion is based on substantial personal experience to the contrary, I'd love to hear it.

[Susie Derkins]

Originally Posted by NegativeCreep

Yale, along with HBS, is among the Iviest of the Ivies.

Undergrad liberal arts. Maybe.

"Ivy" doesn't apply to Graduate Business School. Anyone who joins Yale SOM because of Yale's Ivy status doesn't know a thing about US education.

[NegativeCreep]

Originally Posted by iday

H and S need not be the best schools in everyone's eyes
I'll speak of "fit" again

'Fit' is all very well, but how you can fail to concede that HBS and Stanford are the best B-schools is beyond me. Sorry. While 'fit' is a personal preference, public(not to mention the recruiters') opinion over decades and decades is what makes a school. Sure, Ivory Towers is not everyone, and neither is the GSB, but an overwhelmingly vast majority of ANY poll will say H and S rule the roost in B-school world.

[Susie Derkins]

Originally Posted by iday

H and S need not be the best schools in everyone's eyes
I'll speak of "fit" again

Nobody's going to buy that - coming from you - I mean, you applied to only the top 5! Are you saying that you thought you were a good 'fit' in those top 5 which IMHO are as different from each other as you and me?!

[NegativeCreep]

Originally Posted by barunmoitra

What a joke !! Susie you need to step out of your world and taste some FT tea. Peruvian is right and I second him.

Sorry but I seriously doubt whether I should still remain subscribed to this thread.

And the joke is.....? Seems to have slipped past me. And you know how I love a good joke.

[NegativeCreep]

Originally Posted by Susie Derkins

Gosh! You and your Peruvian friend really do want my attention. Again, how cute!

Naaah......they only want to take you out to tea. Your attention might be a nice bonus, tho'.

[iday]

Originally Posted by Susie Derkins

Nobody's going to buy that - coming from you - I mean, you applied to only the top 5! Are you saying that you thought you were a good 'fit' in those top 5 which IMHO are as different from each other as you and me?!

I guess i explained it somewhere else - I chose schools that fit my requirements and then realised they were top 5
I had quite a vast and diverse set of requirements to apply to a school and really none of the schools catered to all my career needs. I had to compromise one or the other in ALL the schools i applied, but i chose those schools which offered something for all my needs. If one school did not have a strong program in one of my needs (like Kellogg is not world renown for their Finance courses), i did my investigation and found out that the school wud allow me to do what i want to do (Kellogg has a solid finance faculty and all the companies i want to go visit the campus). Also if i was making a compromise, the school had to be really really good in some other things i wanted (Kellogg's SEEK major was a BIG point and also their good work on the Entrepreneurship front). I can go on like this for evey school

And also think of some great schools i dint apply to. Why wud i not apply to MIT. If that has a straight forward answer (MIT is more known for Tech), think of why i moved Columbia to RD (would have been perfect for me - fin heavy school, located in the fin capital, great brand value, etc). Heck i shud have applied ED. Rather i pushed it to RD and actually did not feel motivated enuf to even start writing my essays - when i was free all of Nov and Dec. Nothing wrong with the school - it was only me.

But i must admit - towards the end of it all, since i had interacted with all schools and knew more about each of these 5 schools that i did when i had submitted my apps, i was beginning to get tilted towards some of these. I was beginning to see some clear winners. As i recently posted in my blog too, Wharton is a clear winner for ALL that i wanna do. But the schools wasnt interested in me I cannot go there. Chicago came second. There was a time (when i thought i'd get a Stan invite) i was saying i'd chose Chicago over Stanford and was being chastised for even saying it

It is/was hypothetical i agree. You might come back and say "saying it is diff from doing it". Well, i still believe i'd have done it. It is an open statement though - coz i never got a chance to do it

[iday]

Originally Posted by NegativeCreep

'Fit' is all very well, but how you can fail to concede that HBS and Stanford are the best B-schools is beyond me. Sorry.

I do believe HBS and Stanford are GREAT places. There is no denying that.
But are they the best for everyone - definitely not.
Not everyone can do well at either of these places.

Originally Posted by NegativeCreep

While 'fit' is a personal preference, public(not to mention the recruiters') opinion over decades and decades is what makes a school. Sure, Ivory Towers is not everyone, and neither is the GSB, but an overwhelmingly vast majority of ANY poll will say H and S rule the roost in B-school world.

Public opinion changes. If public opinion, especially how u seem to think the public opine, is the only factor - HBS and Stanford must be the only B schools running.

If, going by ur opinion, an overwhelmigly vast majority of ANY poll must put H and S on top, please explain all the business school ratings ALL of them, i believe, use some sort of polls (or surveys) to come up with their rank lists.

Now get me right, i am not here to denounce the glory or fame of these 2 great schools. And there is absolutely no denying the fact that no one beats them in BRAND familiarity, all over the world. I am only saying that they are not the best schools for everyone.

PS: and a bigger no, this is not a case of sour grapes, as someone might wanna believe