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GMAT and Related Discussions Discuss questions regarding the Verbal & Quantitative section in the GMAT.

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GMAT prep for the students prepared for cat - 22-11-2005, 09:24 PM

Hello all,

The aim of this thread is to take the journey from CAT to Gmat, I hope it serves as a single information guide for students who shift from cat prep to Gmat prep.

See students like me, have a fair idea of cat but in gmat, we are illee poooo…..:x

So lets begin with where to begin after cat and move towards gmat.

1) what info I have gathered is this

A) The official guide OG as it is popularly referred as is absolutely essential for ur test prep. But it contains no guidance and tips it has only questions to be solved that too retired from original GMAT.

So the question is where could one get the real gmat question, as close to the original gmat….i mean something on the lines of most difficult gmat questions.

What is priceton review like I mean review of the book, is it advisable to refer the same after ur cats prep

Or should one refer Kaplan???:x

B) Unlike cat GMAT is a computer adaptive test. So the level of difficulty increases with ur accuracy in answering question, I don’t know if it also considers the time one takes to answer the questions. so…the aim of a normal aspirant should be to be able to solve all questions, again unlike cat, where one can skip questions.

The question is where can one get difficult set of questions in quant and in verbal for gmat?

c) What I gathered from folks( I am passing this opinion based on inference from other students experience) the verbal in gmat is quite different than in cat, so special focus is needed , :x

the question is what kind of prep material one needs to improve one self in verbal specifically with respect to gmat.? or is only test taking/analysis sufficient?

d) what kind of time frame is fair enough for this transition( urs truly has 35 days)


fairly comprehensive for students shifting from cat I guess add more to this list of queries.

thanks!!!
jeeves sunil

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Re: GMAT prep for the students prepared for cat - 23-11-2005, 05:36 PM

Hey that abt sums up the queries i had in mind too.Am trying to move from cat to gmat and soon.Dont even have 35 days...have abt 28 days starting from today.But ppl have told me that its enuf time for someone who has been preparing for cat.
From what i've gathered u dont need to put in any special efforts for GMAT quant if u've been preparing for cat.verbal looks as if it cld create some probs especially sentence correction.Ppl who've been there and done it,please correct me if i m wrong.
Also the format seems to be completely different.As in no negative marks n no time limit per question.Have i got it rite?
I'd also like to know how to start my homework wrt shortlisting the uni's,finding out abt thier deadlines,scholarships etc.I really dunno where to begin.And is it too late to apply for the sept 2006 term? can i give gmat on dec21st and still make the deadlines?
Please helppppppp.I hve very lil time and m completely clueless
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Re: GMAT prep for the students prepared for cat - 23-11-2005, 08:23 PM

Although I am neither giving CAT nor GMAT, but some time back I did prepared for both and I can put some of the points which I feel might be useful to ppl out their switching from CAT prep to GMAT prep.

First here are some of the threads which would be absolutely useful :

1) PsychoD's GMAT experience
2) Some useful GMAT Links
3) GMAT experience

What is the difference between CAT and GMAT. With a macro-view CAT tests an aspirants ability to adapt to changes and work under stress while GMAT tests an aspirants analytical and verbal skills. CAT uses the mechanism of quant and verbal questions to test the above desired skills. While GMAT uses the same kind of questions to test a persons analytical and verbal skills. Is it confusing?

Okay so to make it more lucid, CAT is more about "the ability to quickly decide which questions to leave and apply logic to solve the remaining questions", while GMAT is more about "the ability to sit through for four hours in front of a computer and solving not so hard questions".

No amount of efforts in CAT prep can ensure that you will crack it on the D-day, a sufficient amount of efforts in GMAT can ensure a decent enough score on the D-day. So is GMAT simpler than CAT? Not at all...just that the preparation strategy is different.

Skills required to crack either CAT or GMAT

1) Ability to not loose patience [keep your cool] on the D-day.
2) Ability to quickly decide the fate of the problem at hand.
3) Ability to move forward forgetting the questions you solved. you can'nt
linger over the questions you answered [in your mind].
4) Practise Practise Practise [Golden words for success]
5)

What differs in GMAT if I preped for CAT :

1) You got more time to answer questions [per question] than in CAT
2) Once you clicked on the answers in GMAT you cant see that question again in your test.
3) You got to write two essays (analysis and argument) and two sections. The essays are graded differently and the score is not added in the GMAT test score. The two sections are quant(37qs) and verbal(41qs).
3) As per the experiences of test takers, the first 15 questions and last 10 questions got more weightage than other questions. So you cannt get these questions wrong. So you need to distribute your time accordingly.
The logic goes like this that the GMAT software assumes that you have an avergae ability before the start of your test. As you keep on answering questions correctly it "ups" your score and as you keep answering wrongly it "downs" your score. Somewhere in the middle of the test it averages out and from then on till the end it just finishes near that. The latest software has some upgrade where if there is lot of variation in the last few questions it just "downs" your score by a large amount...so that why the last few qs are also important.
4) The quant section consists of almost all maths domain [arithmetic, algebra, geometry, coordinate geometry, statistics, trignometry etc etc]. The questions comes randomly and it might be possible that you sometimes wont get any question from one specific field.
5) The verbal section consists of Sentence Correction, Critical REasoning and Reading comprehension. The questions again come in any order.
6) It is easy to sit for two hours in a paper based test. It is very difficult to sit for almost four hours in front of computer even if you are a software engg. [although you get 5 min break between sections..but they are not enough]
7) The sections are fixed in order :
1) Essays
2) Quant
3) Verbal
So the tough part verbal is at the end, when you already have exhausted you energies in the first two section. So practise such that you remain fresh during last hour since otherwise this verbal will become your achille's heel.
Even though the difficulty level is less than the questions in CAT still you need practise to distribute the time.
9) A heavy penalty in terms of score if you leave any questions. So even you got 10 seconds and have to answers 10 questions, blindly tick all the questions. It is considered better to have 10 wrong answers than to leave some questions unanswered.
10) Verbal section is very tricky for someone not familiar with GMATland.
11) The decision to spend "how much" time on some question has to be dynamic and must be taken considering various factors during the exam. In CAT if you cannt get one question in one minute, it is wise to leave than entirely. In GMAT it would depend on lot of things like
1) Is the question belongs to the "royal category" [first 15 or last 10]. You cannt leave it you got to get it right.
2) Are you going ahead of time [You might got easier questions earlier so you got more time at hand] or viceversa
3) Is this from the topic you dont know anything about... no point in spending time if you dont know the basics..move ahead.
4) Is this part of some larger questions like RC... can you get it right by reading the passage a bit again.

12) From the test takers experience, it seems that the earlier you get harder questions the higher your score will be. Ofcourse there is no point in worrying if you still get easier questions...but if you get harder questions earlier on be happy and motivated that you are due for that BIG score.

13) GMAT sentence correction is a lot trickier. It is said that GMAT grammer comes in between classical grammer and the normal common sense. So get accoustomed to GMAT grammer asap.

14) There are two variations of Critical Reasoning (Normal and Bold faced). Learn about them. Also you need a good comprehension ability to crack CRs.

15) Although RC is simple and questions are usually direct (sometimes inferential) but you need to get accoustomed to reading a passage on screen (with scrolling up and down) and answering the questions.

16) Some questions in your test would be experimental and your answers wont be added to the score. Since you will never found out about which ones are experimental no point guessing about them


Oh...its been a long post I guess.. would write more as I get time.

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Re: GMAT prep for the students prepared for cat - 24-11-2005, 11:06 AM

thanks ketan!!!

what a post, comprehensive and covering most details, keep them flowing mate.
well i am looking at 2 books.

1) og 11 th edition.
2) some books for verbal, i am the normal cattype in terms of verbal.

some one has suggested manhattan verbal guide or something, donno if it is good or not,
anything to bring me on more equal footing on verbal.
donno what to buy and th date is comming closer........
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Re: GMAT prep for the students prepared for cat - 24-11-2005, 12:21 PM

For the tough questions, go for Kaplan CD tests and Kaplan800 book. princeton`s "difficulty bins" have some tough questions....scoretop`s JJs are quite good too. Keep in mind...Princeton and OG are not really designed for acheiving very high scores. i feel the difficulty level of OG and PR would fetch a 650-690 on the GMAT. the amount of prep material in the market for GMAT is quite limited, so get ur hands on as much material as possible...surf around the net for more stuff.


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Re: GMAT prep for the students prepared for cat - 24-11-2005, 08:30 PM

Ketan that was an excellent post. Amazing that you could condense so much in just 1 post. Left me with little more to say.

BTW folks as promised Im still in the process of preparing a "GMAT 101" doc which will hopefully (oops according GMATland "hopefully" is wrong ) clear all doubts.

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Re: GMAT prep for the students prepared for cat - 25-11-2005, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jeeves sunil
some one has suggested manhattan verbal guide or something, donno if it is good or not,
anything to bring me on more equal footing on verbal.
donno what to buy and th date is comming closer........
Kaplan, MBA.com and Princeton all have verbal books. I found Kaplan's Verbal Workout book very useful in my prep. Ended up with a V47 score.

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Re: GMAT prep for the students prepared for cat - 26-11-2005, 09:50 PM

Hey

I gave cat last yr .... n plannin to give GMAT soon. Am a total newbie to GMAT .....
I plan to start my GMAT prep sometime next month. Need some help on how to plan the schedule for the prep and also books or any other material that i may need.

i am hoping to take the test in may next year...


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Re: GMAT prep for the students prepared for cat - 27-11-2005, 12:15 AM

the doc on my thread at http://www.pagalguy.com/forum/gmat-r...-begins-7.html might help you.

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CrackVerbal for GMAT : http://crackverbal.com

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Re: GMAT prep for the students prepared for cat - 27-11-2005, 12:28 AM

mes in the same boat with only 25 days left for the date with gmat... just bought the princeton book and went through the va section... dont know if the book is comprehensive but not many choices out there.. the feedback i have got is that those who have studied for cat should just give some practice tests of gmat and maybe study the verbal section.. did just that rt now picked up an ims mock test and guess it aint so diff specially the maths part pretty much same though the DS can get a bit screwy, neways ne1 who can suggest ne other good book or where i can get gmat exam cd's(heard u get a pack of 10 for rs 200) really wanna know where in delhi can i get them!
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