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Originally Posted by DesiGuru Ok Ok You are telling me you get it, but the above is completely out of this world...
Empowering the poor through education is a really really common good idea...so far so good.. Just read what you have posted later... the smart ones will understand the concept of an industrial unit after the poor are educated...
Oh Baby come on... The smart get more options for employees if the poor are educated, because there could be some educated poor who are useful to their business... poor cant teach everybody how to run a business...
Ofcourse some of the educated poor could get smart enough to start their own companies... All the reasons education is always considered a great national investment...
I hate to stop on this but it is hard for most indians to understand the macro level play here... Most Indians living here have absolutely no idea how the real world works outside... Rhetoric sounds good. What sounds good is not good. No one denies we should do everything possible to eliminate poverty... I think we are at 20% poverty level here... If our top economists, ministers, businessmen do a great job we could be at 5-10% in the next 25 years... But lets not kid ourselves... even america has a shitload of poor even percentage wise... Whatever you do... there will be a shitload of losers and a shitload of poor... if you think they are separate entities...
I think this country is already talking about spending money and investing in Infrastructure.... Roads, Highways are also good investments... When distances between two places become smaller, business is better between the two...
Infrastructure is good for the long term but expensive...
India hailed socialism till not long ago... Everybody's equal... congress ka haath gareeb ke saath aur kya kya....
The fact is everybody is not equal... Some guys make billions, some guys cant make 1000rs a month... You give the same everything to both... the billion guy will make a billion+ & the rs1000 guy will make rs3000... the billion guy will build a company and create 1000 jobs(taken by folks like you and me maybe!), the rs1000 guy will build a company and then that company will fail... Thats why socialism is a disaster. If you show too much pity on the losers the good ones lose their jobs... the new ones dont get employment...
If you set your thinking that i am building this infrastructure to be used by the poor because they are poor you will destroy that infrastructure... Not all the poor have the ability to be rich overnite... Most of them have to accept becoming peons, clerks and work at lower levels. The next gen can grow up to be higher maybe...
This is the plain reality of human capital development. What you can best try to develop is the potential in the humans however poor or rich that live here thro education...
And then let the most capable takeover the task of creation of wealth, companies, products... If you interfere in their working too much that is a disaster... If you intervene in the natural order of things too much by giving the less competent, more chances thats a disaster...
The only thing you are harping on is that the poor are at such a disadvantage with the rich and hence special treatment for them. And all i am harping on is whatever happens keep emotions and 'what sounds good' out of this and always, not almost always, always, in all cases only look at human potential. So the odds are against you if you are poor, So fight the tough fight. And Show me the Money...
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Dude! Had you been interested in the topic at hand, you'd have figured out that "The smart ones" refers to the smart ones among the poor (the people we've been discussing remember? do keep up
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Originally Posted by DesiGuru poor cant teach everybody how to run a business... |
hehehe... Going forward... I'll will spell things out... so please note "Poor" and "Smart" are not disjoint sets... and neither are "Rich and "Not Smart"!!
You keep saying don't give preference to the poor... sure man, and always look both ways before crossing the road... oh wait... no one has mentioned that!
Sure, lots of those smart but poor guys could just murder some rich guy one night, take his money and start some racket and become empowered. No doubt, according to you that's completely fine.... hell the poor have to dig themselves out of their own pit right? so go on kill someone for money... problem solved! They's get to "Show you the money" eh?
There is of course a slightly more intelligent and efficient way of doing it... since you know... murder is frowned upon in a civilized society and all that... without the poor having to kill some rich "smart" guy like you or me. Maybe, if the poor have a chance to go to school and college... maybe just maybe they'll just get a job at the rich guy's office, come up with smart ideas and earn money!
Some of them ("Them" being the poor... just in case you don't get it like the last time) of course, won't crack it and make a billion+ a month... but heck, maybe it's enough they don't starve... their children can have another go at it (and this time, they don't have to go to Govt funded schools).
This, incidently, has the macroeconomic advantage of creating a consumer (the guy who spends in an economy)... that's considered good by industrialists.... but you already knew that of course, unlike most Indians who just don't "understand the macro level play here".
I'd comment on the relevance of the roads and highway infrastructure (did you just look up what infrastructure means man? ) and most of your beautiful reply but i just don't feel like it right now...
As usual, eagerly awaiting your insightful eco-philosophical analysis...
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