Buddies ......wake up

[Wayne]

Originally Posted by The Last d'anconia

hmmmmm..buddy....i dont think u got it in the right sense....

do u think Mother Teresa cud have so popular if she were not a euporean..??

there r many ppl who worked....., put their lives to the use of society ...but none became as famous as Mother Teresa.....and made a saint....

they made such a hue and cry for that beatification of her.....

itz hype.....i call it hype.....itz a strategy of pope john paul to spread christianity...( no offense meant towards ne religion)....

hmmm..think abt it....will they give Nobel Prize to Baba Amte???????


discrimination to the fore.....

Buddy,

Just don't start shooting off without having the proper background or adequate knowledge. Sainthood is given to a very very select few in the Christian Religion and given to people who have lived exemplary lives or dedicated their lives to the sevice of others. Don't demean it by saying it's a strategy of sorts. In the modern world there are so few people who can come close let alone being declared Saints, THAT is why there was so much attention given to the beatification ceremony.

Would appreciate if you don't involve religion in this discussion

Talk about Cynics!!!.

Wayne

PS: Is it only me or did someone else too spot the irony in the writeup . All along he tells us that we are good we should not demean ourselves and the entire tone of that writeup is as if Indians don't know what is good for them. Statements like "...Indian are so ignorant...etc" "Wake up India" only lend credence to the fact.

PSPS: Am in office now so will post a much more extensive post later. The author does have some valid points but on the whole does have some points which are absolutely baseless.

[satanincarnate]

Firstly, I think mother teresa was not european .. but from north africa ..from albania to be precise ..

I am myself pretty dark but guys whats the use debating abt it .. i do believe that to my eyes at least fairness and beautyare related to a large extent ..if the question was "Is beauty so imp?" i would say no .. but fairness does add to beauty.

I dont know if this should have been a part of the confessions thread .. but my first crush was long back ..I can remember it from the time I was in class III ... of course its only now that i CALL it a crush ..
Well the point here is that this girl on whom a lot many others also had a crush was very fair ..and no i won't blame the media for my feelings at that point of time!!!!

[Simba]

Come on kiddos... Sonia being in the forefront... becos shes a 'firang'.. come on.. Grow up!!!

I thought the whole article was just bullC***.. thats me .. & i too have an opinion... BTW... info needed.. one is Aishwarya.. who is the other... my knowledge is bad on these....

Read about ppl having views about 'Fair& Lovely'.. someone said.. these ads must be banned!!!

Do u have any idea how much that cream is popular is down south india!! U really dont come from a very poor family with 4 daughters and incidentally, they all are dark...& they need to get married to some nice guy out there... their only chance of playing 'fair' are these creams...I still see my maid's daughters using those creams... what are u talking about... Fairness creams are usually targetted at the lower strata of the society where it is revered!!!

Cheers!!!
Simbaaaaaa

[satanincarnate]

Originally Posted by Wayne

Just don't start shooting off without having the proper background or adequate knowledge. Sainthood is given to a very very select few in the Christian Religion and given to people who have lived exemplary lives or dedicated their lives to the sevice of others. Don't demean it by saying it's a strategy of sorts. In the modern world there are so few people who can come close let alone being declared Saints, THAT is why there was so much attention given to the beatification ceremony.

In the course or his pontificate, from 1978 until today, John Paul II has beatified 1,299 persons, 1,029 of whom were martyrs, while he has canonised 464, of whom 401 were martyrs.
http://www.ad2000.com.au/articles/20...3p13_1407.html

Don't just say now that its a sangh parivar propaganda .. it is true and its a fact.
This does not take away anything from the great work Mother Teresa has done ... and I am more than just sure that her intentions were charity alone and not "spreading christianity" ...

Sorry for the digression(?) from the topic ..

[G O V A R]

Originally Posted by Simba

Do u have any idea how much that cream is popular is down south india!! U really dont come from a very poor family with 4 daughters and incidentally, they all are dark...& they need to get married to some nice guy out there... their only chance of playing 'fair' are these creams...I still see my maid's daughters using those creams... what are u talking about...

So, you say that the ad can be allowed? Patronizing fairness in the open? And punishing people for being born dark, for a 'mistake' they never intended to do? No way! You're patronizing the 'class'sim that's already prevalent. This is no different from segregating people as Upper class and lower class.

More than the color factor, it fuels the 'inferiority complex' among people. Put 1000 ads everyday stating or hinting that black is ugly, and whilte is godly. You'll see 1000 suicides. (a hyperbole, ofcourse )

The point is: The ads should atleast aim at easing things. It should atleast refrain from hurting a certain sect um of people... keep informed that every sensical guy knows that he can't change is complexion using this cream....

Originally Posted by Simba

Fairness creams are usually targetted at the lower strata of the society where it is revered!!!

I, for one, wouldn't buy that. I've heard of some of my senior gals in the college, who are supposedly well-off, skipping classes if fair and lovely runs out. And no, these aren't exceptions.

[couger]

that was really a great article....

now coming to the point that most of the janta is discussing here... the fair an lovely cream issue and other views reagrding the colour of ones skin...

well indian society has always been fanatic of white skin..... it is not that by telivision adds alone the mentality of the people in the indian society has changed....
in fact what i would say is that these companies have done their homework and are pretty confident that most of the indian people love having a fiar skin...so just putting the blame on these advts is not fair....

more over these things cannot be stopped by just by imposing a ban on the add... when the society accepts that dark people are also beautiful and handsome then there will no longer be a demand for these products...

so what really has to be changed is the mentality of the indian society rather that the media indian media

[MadmaX]

good article???...i have my reservations...

the people pleadin to sonia coz she is white is a bit far fetched...she is an "INDIAN".....if some1 cant get this small ,really really basic thing into his/her mind..it cant be helped....

n the talk abt mother teresa/kolkata/poor people/strvin people etc etc....which big populous city doesnt have this....which city doesnt have its own share of beggars,,,the guy is fom france....rite...every1 in paris,marsielle is a rich,prosperous person...no beggars at all???
if some1 prefers to link mother teresa to all poor people n then form a opinion of INDIA INDIANS...then its his choice...goes to show wat kind of "vision " they have...

[MavericK]

LOL

[The Last d'anconia]

Originally Posted by Wayne

Buddy,

Just don't start shooting off without having the proper background or adequate knowledge. Sainthood is given to a very very select few in the Christian Religion and given to people who have lived exemplary lives or dedicated their lives to the sevice of others. Don't demean it by saying it's a strategy of sorts. In the modern world there are so few people who can come close let alone being declared Saints, THAT is why there was so much attention given to the beatification ceremony.

Would appreciate if you don't involve religion in this discussion

Talk about Cynics!!!.

Wayne

PS: Is it only me or did someone else too spot the irony in the writeup . All along he tells us that we are good we should not demean ourselves and the entire tone of that writeup is as if Indians don't know what is good for them. Statements like "...Indian are so ignorant...etc" "Wake up India" only lend credence to the fact.

PSPS: Am in office now so will post a much more extensive post later. The author does have some valid points but on the whole does have some points which are absolutely baseless.

buddy.....u better read the words mentioned in the brackets......i mentioned my opinion.....when u say someone doesnt have a proof.....can u show the proof???

In the course or his pontificate, from 1978 until today, John Paul II has beatified 1,299 persons, 1,029 of whom were martyrs, while he has canonised 464, of whom 401 were martyrs.
http://www.ad2000.com.au/articles/20...3p13_1407.html

borrowed frm somones post above....
v r not fighting here or want to prove each other wrong.....just expressing each others' opinions...

if u want to say sth....u better dont point fingers at neone.....letz not spoil the sanctity of the forum.....


cheers....

[G O V A R]

Originally Posted by couger

more over these things cannot be stopped by just by imposing a ban on the add... when the society accepts that dark people are also beautiful and handsome then there will no longer be a demand for these products...

The point here is whether the media 'tries' to correct imbalances. Everyone knows that the society has such an inclination towards 'fairness'. But, what do we try to correct it, in the larger scheme of things? Again and again allowing such ads is just fuelling the issue.

And then, most (the rural masses atleast) of the Indian society believes that having a son is better than a daughter . [It isnt my stand - just the majoritys']. So, why do we and feminists fret when an ad hints this in the open? THis is a double standard.

Originally Posted by couger

so what really has to be changed is the mentality of the indian society rather that the media indian media

Taken! But, oh!, how do we intend to do it? Put 100 ads everyday stating that black and ugly and being fair is heavenly, and side by side teaching students and masses that the reverse is true???