What Is The Problem With India ?

[hameed]

Originally Posted by spirit11

Problem with India....!!!!

Lack Of Enthusiasm.....!
Big Dreams but very bad Implementation....

Gud Thread But Dead.....

A thread has the right to stay dormant for some time , hasnt it?
Many people are busy with their interviews and stuff....and so the lull...
I am sure the thread will be back to its vigour once ppl find the time...
It is after all just a thread..no matter how much we expect from it...we get only so much....

I would suggest that if you can add something to the discussion please do, but please do not resort passing judgement...

Shabana Azmi said rightly... "the thing that plagues our nation is that we have far more opinion than we have information"...

Lets share information and lets come up with ideas..like the post above mine...

As for me, I am sorry to have made this post that adds no value to the thread...but I felt like pointing this out...I promise to come back here soon with a worthwhile post..

Rock on!
hameed

[live_n_let_live99]

Originally Posted by hameed

A thread has the right to stay dormant for some time , hasnt it?
Many people are busy with their interviews and stuff....and so the lull...
I am sure the thread will be back to its vigour once ppl find the time...
It is after all just a thread..no matter how much we expect from it...we get only so much....

I would suggest that if you can add something to the discussion please do, but please do not resort passing judgement...

Shabana Azmi said rightly... "the thing that plagues our nation is that we have far more opinion than we have information"...

Lets share information and lets come up with ideas..like the post above mine...

As for me, I am sorry to have made this post that adds no value to the thread...but I felt like pointing this out...I promise to come back here soon with a worthwhile post..

Rock on!
hameed

Hameed, on the contrary I think, the user made a very pertinent point with that sarcastic post of his...Ofcourse, it wasnt something that wasnt known to any of us, but I too felt that the thread had become dormant for way too long a period...

And really, no excuse/reason can be strong enough for people to shy away from such an important thread...Priorities need to be sorted out and if one of the few non-masala threads doesnt get the necessary importance, then a person is liable to feel cynical...

Also, theres this case of this resembling many of those similar natured threads of the past...Guess someone pointed this possibility pretty early in one of the posts...Time for concrete action, steps towards that, anyone?

[AlpeshChaudhari]

Originally Posted by the_egonomist

THE THEORY OF SEX
(and how I relate everything to it)

PART I
SURVIVAL

Since the beginning of time man (human beings and otherwise) has had two guiding instincts that were subliminal, yet, surfacing often enough to ensure the survival and growth as a species. Survival and Sex (as in procreation), has been shaping the course of our ancestors ever since we took our first steps on our hinds (or since Adam gave a rib to Eve).

The funny thing about survival – as long as your survival isn’t threatened, humanity and morality exists in abundance. The moment survival of any animal or human is in question there are no limits to what it can do. Why is survival so important to the sex theory you may ask? Well let’s look at history. Some tens of thousands of years ago – humans finally discovered agriculture and that in effect reduced their anxieties of survival. With survival taking a back seat (yet lingering about) humans were allowed to concentrate on other things (such as society, arts, etc.)



It would be about this time with the conception of the organized society that sex became something more than just a species attempt to procreate and keep the flock going. Survival instincts are still rampant – but under a different guise. The fear is now not of a mammoth or how and where the next meal is going to come from, the fear is of each other. Who will be more successful? Who will be the best provider? Who will have the means and the time to raise a family? Who is father/mother material?


Society has molded the age old alpha male characteristics under the guise of materialism. Survival is no longer about the ability of one person to stay alive – but how well he/she fits in the society. What was once a physical exercise - has now become a mental one!



P.S:

1. Thought I would break it up into two parts.
2. Second part coming up.
3. Be gentle on me.
4. Am not including the religious angle in the sex theory for fear of bodily harm.
5. Looking forward to questions.

Cheers!

Great ! I had the same view even before I read your post. It just did not have a face. You gave it. About the the whole advancement of Agriculture & the changes that it has made is really true. I agree with your point completely. Actually, I was trying to dig in this matter for a quite a long & now you have poured here in a nice way. Thanks.

And, yes I noticed that you haven't given Part II.

Would post my views, though it wouldn't be as good as the_egonomist, just consider it as my two cents :

Finally, it all comes down to sex & survival ?

All the race in today's life is related to sex & that ultimately to survival. May be not as visible as it was long time back but its as sharp as it was when first two people had sexual pleasure & got to knew about survival from that.

There are some natural distinctions in men & women & that will never disappear (& shouldn't be, actually). Even in the society where women & men are really treated equally. I would like to start with this note.

MEN : Naturally born to earn bread & do the physically tough task. To protect of a family from outside threats (other people). They are the outer shell of the family. That's survival.
Though sex to men is more casual but at the bottom of that there is a need of procreation. There is not a single man who does not feel a need for sex. And, that need itself shows the urge to form a family & take let the human race take to the next generation.That's survival.

WOMEN : Naturally born to carry womb & so naturally the responsibility towards baby shifts to her more. Bringing up children & taking care of internal family matters are the main responsibilities of her. That's survival.
Sex for her has never been casual but its not just the emotions of sex that matters, the ultimate truth lies beneath- procreation. That's survival.

Now, moving ahead let's analyze each era...

From zero to infinity....

Aeons before, as we have read in second class's history book, a man existed who wandered through jungles gathering food, killing animal for food & to those animals (including a human being) who were threat to him or the woman & children he took care of (family, you can say!). That's survival.

Then, came the colonial era. Do I need to tell you, how many wars were fought for women. For what? Love ? Agreed. But there lies that need to have a son for the empire (procreation) & expanding it. Saving his family was still the most important task of a man & taking care of babies for a woman. That's survival.

Now, we learn, educate ourselves opt for a job & then move on to that stability (family). Our primary goal is to settle down. The education has replaced the skills required to fight in war. Job (or business for that)buys materialistic things & ultimately the stability in a way. That's survival.

(Though, woman steps out of the house & take more financial responsibility (necessary for stability) Basic roles still haven't changed. Sex still has that drive for procreation. Though more or less sex can also be just for physical pleasure but ultimately sex is for survival. Show me one person who does not want sex or does not want to have children. (I agree there are those BABAs in pursuit of absolute truth, but I am not counting them as Humans. Now, thats another debate.)

Now, look carefully at how we choose our partners :

Men look for beauty & healthy in women. That is necessary to have beautiful & healthy children. It remains the scientifically proven fact that healthy parents will have healthy children.(Discovery Zindabaad) The kindness, the tenderness in her is important while up bringing of a child.

Women look for a stable & successful man, financially. Who would be able to protect her & her child against odd cases. Again, the health comes in picture here.

P.S. It's is scientifically proven fact that more successful you are & more are the chances of you having more sex & to beautiful/ handsome partner. (Yeah ! This time to Discovery Zindabaad).

No, wonder so many students want to sex.. err........MBA

So, the next time in interview, if they ask you, why MBA?
Answer : To have more sex. (Cause thats the ultimate truth to survive.)

Regards,
Alpesh.

[spirit11]

Originally Posted by hameed

A thread has the right to stay dormant for some time , hasnt it?
Many people are busy with their interviews and stuff....and so the lull...
I am sure the thread will be back to its vigour once ppl find the time...
It is after all just a thread..no matter how much we expect from it...we get only so much....

Yeah it is but for SOMETIME only,This Thread has been dead for more than a fortnight now....isn't that enough,and u were the one who took the initiative of creating this thread,
If Thats the attitude from the creator of the thread then why is this thread over here in the first place..???

Originally Posted by hameed

I would suggest that if you can add something to the discussion please do, but please do not resort passing judgement...

Its not a passing judgement hameed its what many of the puys feel and my objective was to highlight this.

Originally Posted by hameed

Shabana Azmi said rightly... "the thing that plagues our nation is that we have far more opinion than we have information"...

Last Heard India was a democratic country and we r all free to have our opinions and if we donn discuss our opinions then how will the right information come up.i mean i couldn't get wat point you were trying to cut across here...

Originally Posted by hameed

Lets share information and lets come up with ideas..like the post above mine...As for me, I am sorry to have made this post that adds no value to the thread...but I felt like pointing this out...I promise to come back here soon with a worthwhile post..

Hameed My Objective with that post was to bring back life to this thread and nothing else and i think i have able to revive this thread even if for a few posts...

Thanks
Ankur

[the_egonomist]

I beg to differ! I would rather the thread go dormant than puys post just to get rid of their angst and bitterness (strong words?). If its thought that provokes people to post - its the best we can hope for. I wouldnt want people to post for the sake of posting just to feel that they have made a difference and are contributing.

About "the thing that plagues our nation is that we have far more opinion than we have information"...

It gives me an opportunity to explore the whole concept of change and opinions:
Basically it subscribes to the conformist and non conformist theory. Without the other - each wont exist. You need non conformists to co-exist with the conformists. But the ratio is what matters. The moment you have individualism ( it doesnt necessarily mean individuals, but a group behaving like one) then the society has an influx of those radically different and willing to resort to non conformist tactics. The ensuing diversity is what causes a lot of ripples in society.

I agree that most visionaries who bring out change are non conformists. But, they have to start as one of the mob to realize what to change. The moment you have a huge chunk of the population thinking on non conformist lines - what do you think would happen?

Liberal overdoses (like in the US) has lead people to think that they need to establish their own individuality and this in turn leads them to be non conformists. The diversity which is created is playing havoc with what their society once stood for.

So leading upto change and opinions - we need change agreed. But we cannot be non conformists and make people subscribe to our thoughts. We still have to be part of the mob to take it to the right direction. Change is necessary but it has to be the popular opinion of the mob.

Comments?

Cheers!

p.s: I swear that the sex theory will be up soon (like I havent said that before)

[AlpeshChaudhari]

Originally Posted by the_egonomist

I beg to differ! I would rather the thread go dormant than puys post just to get rid of their angst and bitterness (strong words?). If its thought that provokes people to post - its the best we can hope for. I wouldnt want people to post for the sake of posting just to feel that they have made a difference and are contributing.

About "the thing that plagues our nation is that we have far more opinion than we have information"...

It gives me an opportunity to explore the whole concept of change and opinions:
Basically it subscribes to the conformist and non conformist theory. Without the other - each wont exist. You need non conformists to co-exist with the conformists. But the ratio is what matters. The moment you have individualism ( it doesnt necessarily mean individuals, but a group behaving like one) then the society has an influx of those radically different and willing to resort to non conformist tactics. The ensuing diversity is what causes a lot of ripples in society.

I agree that most visionaries who bring out change are non conformists. But, they have to start as one of the mob to realize what to change. The moment you have a huge chunk of the population thinking on non conformist lines - what do you think would happen?

Liberal overdoses (like in the US) has lead people to think that they need to establish their own individuality and this in turn leads them to be non conformists. The diversity which is created is playing havoc with what their society once stood for.

So leading upto change and opinions - we need change agreed. But we cannot be non conformists and make people subscribe to our thoughts. We still have to be part of the mob to take it to the right direction. Change is necessary but it has to be the popular opinion of the mob.

Comments?

Cheers!

p.s: I swear that the sex theory will be up soon (like I haven't said that before)

Hey, the_egonomist, you are a very good writer. The quality of the contents of your posts is very good. I suggest you should write for newspaper. The posts are good enough, that even "The Times of India" can accept it to publish (* not that I am associated with them any way).Probably, you can add more to it.

I am certainly not that good writer, but I can certainly spot good articles.


Now, about the article that you wrote above. I assume that you wrote as difference in opinion to the quote of Shabana Azmi.


I completely agree with your point here. What you are discussing, to the best of my knowledge, is about the ratio of the people who are & are not subscribed to the established thoughts & systems.

But I guess Shabana Azmi's comment is not pointing in that direction. Take a note that she has used words 'opinion' & 'information'. She is not pointing to the action or change for that matter. She is not talking about how many people in the society are interested in changing it.

What she meant is people assume things without having any information about that matter. That leads us to the society where there are more people who have 'opinions' about certain things but don't have enough 'information' to make that judgement. People are more interested in forming opinions rather knowing the facts & digging out. However, good the opinion, for the society, may be, lack of information, knowledge is always harmful in a sense that people are more tend to adopt the most popular view, instead of ponding over the matter. This kills the non-conformist in the crowd.

e.g. The recent controversy, Raj Thakrey's MNS & their stand on whole Purvanchal (Bihar & UP) thing.

This problem of migration was there since ages. It has not arouse suddenly from no where. People (esp. Maharashtrian) always had the opinion that 'they' are just spoiling the social, economical & culture values of Maharashtra esp. Mumbai. No body ever thought about it, not even Raj Thakrey.( he has still not given a thought to it). Instead, Raj just followed the most popular opinion without any information or thought & adopted a method that was so stupid that not a single politician (apart from his uncle Balasaheb Thakrey) supported him. And, those stupid people wandering on roads beating every taxi driver & road side stall owner became a part of that 'herd mentality'.

I hope I am clear enough in writing that.

P.S. - Any MNS activist here ? My name is not Alpesh Chaudhari. And, I don't live in Pune.

By the way, I don't think any MNS activist would ever 'think' to go for MBA. Ask why? It is taught in English & not in Marathi.


Regards,
Alpesh.

[the_egonomist]

the whole MNS fiasco was a narrow minded attempt to hold onto some value or mindset (read: conformists).

and very nicely put, MBA is not taught in marathi (but dont go around giving people ideas)


flattery will get you everywhere!

i was actually using the quote to launch into this.

keep posting!

Cheers!

p.s: sorry for the spam.

[kill_the_cat]

According to me the biggest problem of the nation is that all of us have a lot to speak on all the problems and we dont act on it.

India is a huge nation and such discussions though good from information point of view hardly help India much. We should start by making small changes on our own levels. I for one started long ago by teaching my maid's kids.

One drop may not be enuf but we have to start somewhere. If each one of such starts some suc initiative then we all can make a great difference to the entire country's well being.

[Ravs05]

Guys, I wrote a few posts here in this forum & i've also been speaking to my friends about all the issues i feel passionately about and how to resolve them to make India the best country in the world (a position india always held till the 15th century). One thing is pretty clear nothing much happens because of it and nobody really listens who does not want to..............my solution :-
Be the change.......even its only a little change like not throwing the chewing gum wrapper on the road. Before you ask others to do something.......do it yourself, atleast that will make you take the high moral ground and you'll happy about yourself. and the BEST SOLUTION.....be somebody and then what you say will have a much bigger impact. I have many ideas and thoughts which i think will serve my country best........but because i am nobody, noone really cares for my ideas and those who do care can't do anything even if they understand the importance of my views. But if the same views are expressed by a Ratan Tata or Manmohan singh........people will listen....and those ideas will be executed. So just wanted to share my feeling with all you guys...........HAVE A GOAL TO BECOME SOMEONE WHO'S IN A POSITION TO INFLUENCE THINGS AROUND YOU ON A LARGE SCALE......till then keep talking about your views, build opionion, be honest and sincere....and once you achieve the position.........implement those BIG IDEAS which need a big person.
My goal is to be a very successful businessman and once i am reasonably big, i'll implement all the big ideas that i have. Till then i'll try to lead my life in the most appropiate manner, no throwing garbage on the road,not listen to anyone saying crap about my country,spread and share my views of patriotism & influence as many people as possible to do what is really good for the country. It doesn't matter which job you do or in which sphere you are, if you do it in the most sincere & most honest way you are serving the country. If you are a sweeper then sweep properly & don't be a kaamchor & you'll help the country be a little cleaner, if you are a student like me, then study hard & well and gain knowledge....you'll make the country richer in knowledge, intellect. If you are a policemen....don't take bribe implement the law as it is.....and the situation improves........if you are in the media don't CREATE sensationalism, take an honest interview, do an honest report, show the true picture and not just titilate the audience...and you are doing your service to the nation.....

[Ravs05]

Originally Posted by kill_the_cat

According to me the biggest problem of the nation is that all of us have a lot to speak on all the problems and we dont act on it.

India is a huge nation and such discussions though good from information point of view hardly help India much. We should start by making small changes on our own levels. I for one started long ago by teaching my maid's kids.

One drop may not be enuf but we have to start somewhere. If each one of such starts some suc initiative then we all can make a great difference to the entire country's well being.

good job ......keep doing it. You ARE MAKING A DIFFERENCE........CONGRATS...I LOVE YOU!!!!1