Microsoft & U!

[The0ne]

microsoft aint bad...its just that its being shown in bad light...
the main aim of ne business is profits so nothing wrong in earning money..y r u going for mba afterall...
google thou started with phd guys were fortunate to have hands of high profile venture capitalists who bought eric schmidt and other intelli ppl on its board..apart from this its generous venture capitalist doerr also had google get aol deal..what googles doing is combining with all microsoft enemies...
after the deal...aol filed lawsuit of monopoly on ms...subsequently others also filed the same.i dont remember..
there hv been numerous instances of youtube or orkut in badlight..noones clean...source google story
nd yes even google faces lawsuit for copying the ad strato of overtures..

i personally like ms..coz whatever reason be it...5 or 10 yrs back be it licensed version or pirated....it was windows with us everywhere in india...thou now better things r out..still u shd not forget the days when v were dependent hellbent on windows ...
besides ms is funding hugely thro the bill and melinda gates foundation for aids ...i m not sure google does that..correct me...

[andy4u]

Originally Posted by The0ne

microsoft aint bad...its just that its being shown in bad light...
the main aim of ne business is profits so nothing wrong in earning money..y r u going for mba afterall...

I am not victimising Microsoft here.Just trying to show what direction they can look to move now.Or what was the final outcome of two different approaches.

Originally Posted by The0ne

google thou started with phd guys were fortunate to have hands of high profile venture capitalists who bought eric schmidt and other intelli ppl on its board..apart from this its generous venture capitalist doerr also had google get aol deal

Those venture capitalists including Doerr finance numerous such projects every year.Not everyone makes it,Google did.And the funding provided to them was only for very nascent stages,they have taken care of themselves since then. BTW,Schmidt came much later.

Originally Posted by The0ne

there hv been numerous instances of youtube or orkut in badlight..noones clean...source google story

Misuse of youtube?Is google responsible for people uploading copyrighted material to you-tube?Or is it those people who upload them?This reminds me of that infamous incident in late december 2004.I pick up my newspaper in the morning,glance to the bottom of the front page and see that CAT results are illegally out before the official declaration.Officials of some site called Pagalguy have been interrogated.Actually some nut was smart enough to find a bug in the CAT results page but foolish or rash enough to post it in a public forum.Now,who is responsible for it?Pagalguy or that user.
You-Tube and Orkut on the contrary are further proof of Google's standards.

Originally Posted by The0ne

nd yes even google faces lawsuit for copying the ad strato of overtures..

Google are probably facing more lawsuits than Microsoft or any other big company.Most are downright stupid and opportunistic.Still remember that gmail issue when it was launched.There was a big row in US,that by publishing content related ad,google are transgressing to your private stuff.That's not done.What the heck,anytime you are writing a mail,this stands to happen.Anyway,it is not humans reading your mails but pre-coded softwares.

Originally Posted by The0ne

i personally like ms..coz whatever reason be it...5 or 10 yrs back be it licensed version or pirated....it was windows with us everywhere in india...thou now better things r out..still u shd not forget the days when v were dependent hellbent on windows ....

that's fine wih me

Originally Posted by The0ne

besides ms is funding hugely thro the bill and melinda gates foundation for aids ...i m not sure google does that..correct me...

dunno about that.But as I said,they are not driven by altruist motives.What's their motto?'Don't be evil'.Be fair.Don't charge a person for giving a search.Let these basic facilities be available to people for free.Don't show him those ads if he doesn't want to.Mind blowing.When the Google was about to get public in late 2003,there was a mad scramble for their shares throughout the world.A big firm in Holland had forged the ways and bought an inordinate amount of shares.Its actually routine stuff in share market and is rampant.Google didn't have anything to lose,anyway their shares would be sold,doesn't matter who buys it.On the contrary its better if those big names buy it.But,when Google came to know about this,it immediately scrapped their entire lot.Please,don't twist things. This IPO is meant for every1.No company bothers to get into these wrangles.Now,that's fairness.
So much of talk goes about for being charitable,helping the needy and all that.Bull shit man,before any of that,be fair to all.Its not ok to give donations but screw people in and out your office(this is not being said in context to Microsoft).Be fair.Don't be evil.

P.S. -The bloke who started this thread,when he comes back here will wonder if he clicked on the intended link.Mere bahi,mere ko maaf karna,I had started with a small post and that warning.the way the things shaped up....

[subodh_iit]

Originally Posted by andy4u

Yes,they are not altruists and neither are they driven by altruist motives.The beauty of their model is that it doesn't charge people for using their products(these things can be charged,but if they start doing it,how many would be able to use them?

Noone will use it then.. There are plenty of alternatives available

This ad-model now seems so obvious.But they were the ones who came up with this idea.And their motto is 'Don't be evil'.They wudn't charge the companies for displaying their ads,but only if there is a click on their link.Isn't that fair enough.(More about the clickbots later in the post).

They wouldnt charge the company for a Lead/Sales Convert but for a click.. Isnt that unfair

Google spends a good no. of resources to take care of the click fraud.They have their own softwares and methods(and they have kept it secret,much like the details of the Page rank algorithm) to detect the legitimacy of such claims.There have been umpteen no. of cases where they have reimbursed the suffering company the full amount.But,yes there have also been numerous cases where they have rejected such claims.However,still it is a truth that Yahoo compensate more companies asking for such compensations than Google.But,Google too have a process so it can't be argued much.All said and done,fraud-click is a big industry in western world.There are numerous ways to execute it.

It started dishing out the compensation only after a Court Ruling severely rebuked them.

They could have started charging for their site.It was still nearly the best search engine available and used by millions across US.They didn't,they persisted and see where have they reached now.

Google started as a research project.. It succeeded because of the word of mouth publicity among Academicians. It would have become history had they started charging for searching..

[The0ne]

dont be evil...rite......just by having a motto one believes yeah they r not evil...m i that naive!!!
they r investing lots in research...wont they charge for it...
all search engines r free..were free and will be free...no big deal...
i was wondering if this thread was sponsored by some ms rival??

nd by giving aid...i m talking about csr...not screwing ppl nd giving smthing..


google founded in 1998 if m not wrong and schmidt joined in 2000...nd doerr appointed nother consultant to oversee the three...
aol board had connections with doerr and he was influential in getting the deal done..aol deal was the landmark for google....

[Tittutomen]

Well, the response as I expected for this thread, are enormous & insightful. 20+ responses in 2 days, too gud. This is one of the reason I stick to this forum!

But let's try to reach a conclusion without wondering about a lot of facts & figures. Let's all make our point with sufficient reason & objectiveness, so that we could conclude better.

Conclusions could be like(With all the points made in the disc):
1. Whether you accept a job offer form MS?
2. Given the power you'll pass an order to close MS.
3. You'll start a NGO to spread awareness for/against MS.

Hope this will add more FUN & substance to the thread. What Say??

[Tittutomen]

These are some of the points I marked till now.

Easy availability
It is a marketing game. There are other players too, and then I wonder why didn’t they do it? Advantage Microsoft!

Easy to Use
Unlike other Oss which has a techie user base, MS breaks the barrier to layman users. Easy GUI, easy click-and-do operations win hearts. This takes PC to home & offices from supercomputing Space research Lab.

Hell lot of Software to run on Windows
Starting with its popularity the no of software available to run on MS platforms from either MS or third parties are more. Life simpler & increased the user base again.

Business Model
Business is to expand, as its nature. Google makes spreadsheets, word processors etc. Apple is into Music & Telecom. Bharti ventures into retail biz. So is MS in every biz making the name more ubiquitous!

Performance
Well this is a little debatable & need statistics. I personally sometime face problems with MS products too but not as much to hate the company or the product. I think every product suffers the same phenomenon in this industry. Could you please report exactly how you face the performance problem?

Monopoly
It is a serious setback point for MS. As a big company you could not use money-muscle to barrier the entry of niche players into the market. You could not use money to win psychologically by touching the emotional mindset of common people through advertising & making options out etc.

Quality for Money
I heard how they release version after version of the product just to trick the users & market without any substantial quality change in the product. So it is again against business ethics. After all we strive to make this world a better place!

Cult Shows
Here in US, I’ve heard, there are MAC fanatics who could die favoring their product. They just don’t give a damn about other things around. Though I’ve never experience the MAC-life, I believe something which is distant & not on easy reach attracts more. So does MAC & Linux etc. looks attractive option & which makes MS looks bad.

Lets not make office & work Culture as an equal opportunity employer, Lawsuits against the organization, philanthropy etc as supporting or degrading point for the company because either these are part of business responsibility or so prevalent.

[rmbt]

Originally Posted by Tittutomen

Well, the response as I expected for this thread, are enormous & insightful.

Conclusions could be like(With all the points made in the disc):
1. Whether you accept a job offer form MS?
2. Given the power you'll pass an order to close MS.
3. You'll start a NGO to spread awareness for/against MS.

Hope this will add more FUN & substance to the thread. What Say??

Well, I would love to work for MS as it has a great working environment and lot of new stuff to learn.

MS should never be closed down as Gates has never misused its MOnoply.

Will start an NGo to spread awareness for Gates and Microsoft.


PS:Go easy on the fonts.

[andy4u]

Originally Posted by subodh_iit

Noone will use it then.. There are plenty of alternatives available

Do you realise how heavily we google.or if we leave us aside,how heavily people in general google.80 % of the techies around the world,if told to code first come and give a search for some particular keywords,find a similar code and reuse it,most people at pg have arrived by googling,i"ll stop,this list is endless.The thing is Google is so important today that even if they want to charge it,there would be companies willing to pay for it.And regarding other alternatives,I don't know of any other alternative which is so good(Yahoo,MSN,Altavist..none are this good)

Originally Posted by subodh_iit

They wouldnt charge the company for a Lead/Sales Convert but for a click.. Isnt that unfair

This is too much.A company X has put its link in Google Ads,its getting a 1000 clicks a day,but none are getting converted because it is selling a blatantly rubbish product.So is it Google's fault.Why should they suffer for other's incompetence?They have already done sufficiently be charging only for a click and not for just showing the ads.And mind you,most companies belong to that same category as that of product X.Besides even if you look technically,such a model is nearly impossible to execute.How is Gogle going to determine if an order has been made.All forms are different and have no one way to get an order.

Originally Posted by subodh_iit

Google started as a research project.. It succeeded because of the word of mouth publicity among Academicians. .

If anything is getting successful by word of mouth publicity,then you can be rest assured about its quality.Word of mouth publicity is the most difficult to achieve and also the most genuine publicity.Most great things didn't advertise for themselves.

[andy4u]

Originally Posted by The0ne

dont be evil...rite......just by having a motto one believes yeah they r not evil...m i that naive!!!

When I have given you so many examples of how they try and be fair always like no body else does,you are still saying 'why should i believe the motto just like that'.Atleast,Subodh came out with a better approach when he tried to question the fairness of their method.

Originally Posted by The0ne

all search engines r free..were free and will be free...no big deal...

Not really,search engines are free because that is what has become a basic benchmark now.To cite 1 more related example - When,gmail was launched it was the first email service which offered 1GB space,all free of cost.This was gigantic compared to what other email services were offering at that time.How much were Rediff,Yahoo,etc. giving at that time?6 MB or was it 10 MB.and they use to charge for more than that-special business package and all that crap.But,after gmail came out,every1 was forced to scale up.

Originally Posted by The0ne

i was wondering if this thread was sponsored by some ms rival??

This is way over the top,I would rather not comment.

Originally Posted by The0ne

nd by giving aid...i m talking about csr...not screwing ppl nd giving smthing..

The first thing I had said while writing that screwing thing was that it has nothing to do with 'MS'

[andy4u]

Originally Posted by Tittutomen

1. Whether you accept a job offer form MS?

Originally Posted by Tittutomen

2. Given the power you'll pass an order to close MS.

Originally Posted by Tittutomen

3. You'll start a NGO to spread awareness for/against MS.

Originally Posted by Tittutomen

Hope this will add more FUN & substance to the thread. What Say??

1.Certainly.It is one of the best places to work at.
2.Never.
3.I don't see any need for that.There are better things to do