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Originally Posted by Psychodementia @ Mon Nov 22, 2004 12:24 pm I mean this was a "class" paper. Look at quant. Do you think there was a way to prepare for this ?? Same in Verbal, for those who know better, it was totally unambiguos. Infact once these coaching instis jumped in the ambiguity creeped in. Also it reflects how poor they themselves are in setting question papers. Esp if you remember I had mentioned about TIME being pretty poor at it.
I reckon most of these instis get a bunch of underqualified (by this I mean unqualified to coach for CAT not necessarily an IIM-grad) ill-paid people who rather be somewhere else in life to set those questions. But somewhere down the line I really don't know why the top honchos of these instis are not participating in the analysis. I mean I cannot believe that someone like Shivku (CL) took this paper and was not able to solve QA. For those who know, he is GOD.
Anyways, if I were in any of the coaching instis, I would have some serious thinking to do. They have generated enough negative criticism by this shooting off the hips approach by proclaiming arbit answers (and cutoffs) to almost negate the positives that might have generated through good course content and student management.
I have a theory behind this. Let me know what you guys think. As CAT is becoming more and more of pure aptitude based, these instis are fear that in future they might be out of business soon. So they are kind of trying to whip up a frenzy by doing it the Microsoft way - FUD, which stands for FEAR
UNCERTAINITY
DOUBT
Basically for a guy who wishes to take it in 2005, they want to generate a feeling that CAT is a mystery still (inspite of the transparency in scoring/giving out question papers in the recent years). They want to induce this feeling so that the potential students feel that if it were not for these coaching instis I would never know about CAT.
Another thing that Zango and I discussed was the feasibility of having a FIIT-JEE kind of coaching. Wherein a student who comes needs to take a test and prove that he has it in him to crack CAT. This would go against the basic premise that CAT is an exam that can be prepared for. The approach suggested would underline the fact that CAT can never be prepared for. Either you have it or you don't. All we can do is to fine-tune your strategy. Wot say ? I mean think about it. Do you think a tdubey or a vikuboss really needed coaching to get into the 98-99%ile in QA or DI ?
I have plenty of time today so Im going to make plenty of posts too 
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intersting post ..was thinking along the same lines..
here is how i look at it..
1)1.5 lakhs taking up the test out of which only around 5000 have the basics reqd to compete.
2)for these 5000 maybe 2500 may benefit frm some coaching and stuff..those ppl who are not very self motivated...the top 500 ..wud be top 500 irrespective of coaching or not.(dubey,vikku,myank et al).the rest 2000 ..this i feel is the area where there is max competition ..are almost equal in terms of ability ..some strong in one area others in some other ..and overall balancing out..the end result will depend on how the perform on d-day ...coaching wud effect a max of 2-3 marks for them...
3)bottom line..arond 2000 students i feel will benefit from coaching and that too just becos ..there is a schedule for preps set which is taken and skill levels are consistenlty tested..(not from the gyan from the instis)
from the remaining students i guess around 40000 wud be taking up some coaching or so ..but after all cat is a qn of aptitude ...if u dont have the basic english,logic and analytic ability ..how much ever u prepare ..its not gonna help..
(have personal xperience cos i take part time classes
(it pays)for one of the top coaching nstittes
...and in a crowd of around 100 students probly 1 or 2 have the basic basics)
So whts the alternative:..i think the best way is to get a few self mtivated individuals together.. preferably with 1-2 above avg guys...study together..have a forum like pg as a means of clearing doubts/fundas/shortcuts.....consolidating whatever learnt etc...
the only value addition from the coaching instis i feel is in terms of all india mocks which give an idea of each persons prep levl in comparison with the rest..(and that too u just need to take up a few of these to gauge ur level)
and yes the institutes are making use of a few things like..
1)insecurity of cndidates..(parents too..in some cases)
2)confusion regarding the competence levels reqd. i went for ims coaching last time
..my first attemot at cat...the whole year i was thinking i needed 30 in eu,25 in di and 22 in cat to clr cutoffs..ridiculous..(its only with xperience,pg and discussion wth frnds who made it last time that i got a more realistic picture..
but i dont agree that u neednt prepare for cat...
the reason is cos...leave out the top 0.3%tile and the bottom 98%tile ..the rest more or less have the same level of ability ..but the iims can admit atmost 50% of them..so whats the differentiator?..hard work..motivation..and a level head ..with equal weightages to each one.
the real dichotomy is..preps vs coaching...the former is meaningful ..the latter idoubt.
keep the discussion flowing..really getting into it
andy
mark tht may affect our final standing hugely... while going by the answer keys of various instts, most of us r getting huge swings in the net score...
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