[anoopcn]

Believe me, 5 yrs or 50 yrs..it always matters whether one is from a Premier Institute or not. Many clients these days asks for Resumes of the people going to work for them...Hence the companies (which accept Outsoourced projects) now demand MBA's from Good Institutes. Else they tend to lose out on Major contracts. it is just not Cost-Cutting that Clients are worried abt..It is the quality of employees (employees from companies to which it has outsourced) which is a selection criteria for giving out projects.. Believe me..this with solid grounds and proof, that I am writing...

Hope u enjoying ur Stint in US..had been there on B1 (Nashville, TN June to Sept).

I hope with all these discussions..I can prepare an appropriate Structured answer for "Why MBA" question in a PI...

[quake3]

hey anoop..

i completely agree with you that "brand" really matters..but an mba from iim will guarantee you good pay,good status and recognition. But, if you want to "climb up" the corporate ladder..it is your performance that comes first..if u carry an iim brand along with ur good performance..then you will get what you want...
i might be incorrect..but this is what i can say with the experience i have..because i have seen in my company that comp. science grads from reputed institutes will be put into testing..and MCA grads from third grade institutions will be put into coding though the comp science grads. get paid better..so i used a simialr reasoning here also..though u graduate from an iim , u might still not get the job u want..though u enjoy better pay and recognition

[shaju]

Originally Posted by sairamc

The main issue here we are dealing with is "the graduate guys doing MBA:-
First let us consider the issue irrespective degree(B.tech,B.e,B.com.......)
The main reasons for these guys choosing MBA field are as follows:

1.they want their life to be settled in the earier stage of theirs.
2.They want high paid jobs.

But actually they really dont know the intricacies involved in doing MBA.And they are not so sure of what they are going to study specifically.But they DO HAVE DREAM of BECOMING A MANAGING DIRECTOR OF some company.

hey buddy i beg 2 differ fromthis view-pt of ur's. there's an appreciable no. of freshers who know what they want from life, nd where they expect 2 be in 5-10 yrs from now.guess u h've been meeting the wrong ppl.....

[guptapg]

Hi PGites

I am student of final year computer science B Tech. and I appeared for CAT this year scored 95.97 percentile. I have got calls from MDI HR, TAPMI and IMI delhi and waiting for NITIE n IMT results. I have also got a job at TCS which was through Campus placement. Suggest me what should I do what should I concentrate on.

Thanks

[Nothing Else Matters]

Originally Posted by guptapg

Hi PGites

I am student of final year computer science B Tech. and I appeared for CAT this year scored 95.97 percentile. I have got calls from MDI HR, TAPMI and IMI delhi and waiting for NITIE n IMT results. I have also got a job at TCS which was through Campus placement. Suggest me what should I do what should I concentrate on.

Thanks

when is your TCS joining ...
my say on this

Your joining would b definately after completion of final year . So you can let the job thot rest till then .. ne way you have it in hand as your back up .. so try converting your calls ... and if you do then join the course ... trust me ... even when there is always a conterversy going on between freshers joining MBA and ppl with work - ex joining MBA , i believe that if you convert it now , join the course .. you would definately get placed good once your course gets completed ... and would save you 2 yrs ... whereas .. working and then waiting to get into insitute ... thts really very very draining... and keeping your focus .... thts really calls for lot of determination and lot of balancing between job and exam prep ... what i feel is that time is very important ... i was of the opnion that one should have work xperience before going for MBA .. me too got thru campus ... but then didnt hv ne mba calls like you do now .. else if i would have gone for MBA instead of job .... trust me ... its worth it .. ppl might have differ on this .. but tht ws my stand ... ask me now .. its a tough dream for me now .. tho not completely given up on it but then talking practically ... its very tough ... since you hv got a both call and job withing ur reach, try conveting the call ..give ur 100% and if you get thru join the course...and if not then TCS to hai hi na ... u can join it and then obviously prepare for cat again ...

[Nothing Else Matters]

hmm mba vs s/w

Have gone thru all the posts... its interesting to see the views
me too one of those who wudnt do MBA for money ... not that i m denying it completely but definatley money is not the 1st priority and reason for going for MBA ... m into s/w for 2 yrs now ... if this thread is intended to give an ans that y a s/w prof shud go for MBA for the convincing the b-school .. well i still dont hv a convincing ans ...

But i would like to give in my viewpoint what I have seen in my 2 yrs ... i have no problems with working as a pure technical person ... but then for ne individual getting appreciated for the work tht one does ..getting recognized keep one motivated and going on ... i dont mind coding as long as i am rewarded and given opportunities to grow ... if i am not growing as n individual then whts the pt in slogging so much ... definately self-satisfactioni is always there but then how long can you keep yourself motivated with your own satisfaction and when you can see ppl around you who work not even 1 % of what u put n effort and yet get opportunities which otherwise you deserve ...

What i feel here is that i do have the capability and the potentiol ..i m not dumb ... but then since i m just a mere software engg ,... i dont hv a say when it comes to really getting things my way ... i still hv to sit back with whatever lame excuses the managment gives for not being able to give you what you deserve ... so ... wht i feel tht to make urself heard and put plans into action ... and more importantly to grow ... one needs to hold a post of authority ... and power ...to realize ones aspirations ... u cant live all ur life being supressed by the higher up giving u one excuse or the other for their injustice ... i m not saying tht techinal fld is not good or ne thng like tht ... the only thing tht i hv felt is tht ppl working in it at some pt of time or the other feel that it might not be worth the effort tht u end up putting in it during your wrking tenure .... the returns rnt par to tht ... i might be wrong ... but then wht i hv been seeing so far is what i have written here ... being a manager really demands a lot out of you as a person ... lots of your skills personal , analytical etc are put to test of and on ... but then u do hv a say , a voice , an opinion which you can air ... u hv more authority to make decisions which i dont feel a s/w prof has ... atleast not all the times .. ppl might hv opinion tht even without giong for MBA they can still climb up the hiearchy and get into the managerial circle of the organisation ... agree ... but then i dont know if i can really pull through till then and b patient enuf waiting and working my way up ..... ne ways ... if i dont get thru b-school i wud hv to pursue tht option ... but if i can , y not .... !!

Of course i wonder if the above reasons can be given as an ans to the PI panel !!!! i guess not.. but in reality this is what i feel ....

eventually what i feel at times is tht human being just cant b in the same place for long and b satisfied all the times .. so he really keep looking for alternatives to earn this satisfaction .... mayb thts wht keep us going ahead in life as well as in career ... Change is inevitable and the only thing thts constant in life ... who knows once I become a manager ... i might want to move on to some other level as well ... per yes ..pehle manager to banu heheheheheh

hv a great days guys and keep posting ... this thread is indeed very good .... great job captivator for starting it ... i always used to hv this thot ... y mba and y s/w and y not ... and its great to read what ppl think and at the same time share my own thots ....

[RyanS]

My 1st question to Captivator (if i got his name correctly) WHY DOES ONE DO HIS MBA?
See we all do MBAs coz we want to be decision makers. Be it any feild. When in Sw industry, it does not only run on coding, testing there are decisions to be taken. For that its better to have some work experience in this line.

About the higher study part : HOpe we all know that the best institute in india is IIT. People from there pass out and do join SW industry. If we now go to conclude that they do not have the potential to go for higher studies, sounds crazy right. for me its even hard to imagine.

Example: Microsoft is no 1 mainly coz of its marketing policies, stagegies. After your Btech\Mtech i think if some one has his MBA that helps right.
Ok let us take it for granted that we Sw engg will not go for MBA. So someone from a non SW background comes and tries to make company policies, Marketing Staegies and all for a SW company. Sounds more like as one with no background of music sets up music teaching school.
And about Money: WE WORK HARD AND THATS WHY GET PAID. Not always that you have to work hard physically. and even sitting on the same chair for 15-16 hrs a day, running around and attending meeting, meetings after meetings are physically very challenging I think.

[THUSSU]

i dont quite agree with you. no company is naive enough to employ a policymaker who does not have industry experience. besides, many of these managers may be non-mba but have learnt on the job, with hardcore tech. experience of maybe 10 to 15 years. these guys sure know their music!
i am not going to dispute the pay - i agree that we get paid for our hard work and thats how it should be.

Originally Posted by RyanS

someone from a non SW background comes and tries to make company policies, Marketing Staegies and all for a SW company. Sounds more like as one with no background of music sets up music teaching school.
And about Money: WE WORK HARD AND THATS WHY GET PAID. Not always that you have to work hard physically. and even sitting on the same chair for 15-16 hrs a day, running around and attending meeting, meetings after meetings are physically very challenging I think.

[RyanS]

Originally Posted by THUSSU

i dont quite agree with you. no company is naive enough to employ a policymaker who does not have industry experience. besides, many of these managers may be non-mba but have learnt on the job, with hardcore tech. experience of maybe 10 to 15 years. these guys sure know their music!
i am not going to dispute the pay - i agree that we get paid for our hard work and thats how it should be.

Even thats what i say, you need work exp to know the biz. Of course there are managers who are NON-MBA, the point of disussion was , if its fair that SW engg go on for MBA. The point put forward was : its for money & that no ways\hopes (whatever) of going to higer study so we guys make the asy way out to MBA. MBA is not a necessity, its an added advantage. There are VPs, Geoheads who are non-MBAs, but they know the uindustry thats why they r ruling. Exp has taught them the music, but he had the music scense and voice, exp refined it. But thats not possible for one who has no scense of the industry.
I stressed on the NON-SW part and noton the NON-MBA part. So its that you agree with me. We sound the same actually, .....

[lakshya_iim_ahd]

Well,

I guess, a major factor of people moving from software to MBA is that they are fed up of software. Yeah, I know it sounds very naive but they are fed up with the kind of work that they do day in and day out and they are seeking a better life. Also, they have an inkling towards management side and want to manage things just like their project managers did. Let's face it, any software company u go to, the PMs(Read Project managers), don't know a thing. All they do is fill up excel sheets and word documents.:whatthat: i m not saying all of them are like that but most of them are. there are very few of them who know what they are doing and relly take pains to solve the technical problems faced by the developers. So at the end of the day, we(the developers) want to be better managers than our seniors are(read PMs).

Secondly, some of them want to do an MBA coz they want to do it. they were there at the job just so that they could earn good money(after all, software in the in thing, and no other industry pays u so well as a software firm). So the natural inclination was to join the company, get the experience and move on with life...!!

And some get into software just to try things out. kuch nahin hai to yahi sahi jab tak kuch aur accha na sahi..!! ...!!

But all said and done, I must say that software people make batter managers than others. This is solely my point of view and cannot be taken as a baseline..!! The reason being that we have seen so much of Sh** happening in all the projects that we know what can terrible go wrong(i mean c'mon, after a year I still have to see a project which has correct estimates and gets delivered without any hassles..!!), and I guess, most people will agree to this as well..!!

So, at the end of the day, we are just looking out for a better life, a life which gives us a scope to expand our horizons and have a value addition to life..!!