Part Time MBA - XLRI & Reliance

[melvin.joel]

Can some one let me know some information about the part time - Post graduate program in business administration course at XLRI? The course is said to be a collobration between XLRI and Reliance. I am not sure about the recognition that this particular course will have in industry. It will be helpful if some one can help me out.

[bani154]

Hi,

This link might be of help to you:
http://www.pagalguy.com/forum/career...rm-2009-a.html (XLRI Satellite Program PGCHRM 2009-2010)

Regards,
Bani

[Tumtum]

Originally Posted by melvin.joel

Can some one let me know some information about the part time - Post graduate program in business administration course at XLRI? The course is said to be a collobration between XLRI and Reliance. I am not sure about the recognition that this particular course will have in industry. It will be helpful if some one can help me out.

My friend, this is no part-time MBA- its just a certificate course....In India we have thousands of MBAs passing out every year, why do you want to then do a "certificate" course and that too distance learning.....will never hold good value my friend.

[alagh@84]

Hey Melwin

Please visit the thread bani has posted....that might be beneficial for you.

Originally Posted by Tumtum

My friend, this is no part-time MBA- its just a certificate course....In India we have thousands of MBAs passing out every year, why do you want to then do a "certificate" course and that too distance learning.....will never hold good value my friend.

@Tumtum

You cannot generalize any course or any degree. A person doing an MBA degree from a college not known having no placements....wouldnt fetch you a good profile or gd money.... For instance a certification course from IIM A or XLRI with relevant experience may fetch you a very good management profiles and also have an impact on your resume. So basically there is no point generalizing any course.

This course is a certification course for working professionals having classes twice every week with a very stringent course curriculum. XLRI being a premier institute for HR has put up this certification course using virtual classroom concept. This course is very demanding as you have to complete so many subjects and hell lot of tests and xams parallel to your work load.

Regards
Alagh

[Tumtum]

Originally Posted by alagh@84

Hey Melwin

Please visit the thread bani has posted....that might be beneficial for you.



@Tumtum

You cannot generalize any course or any degree. A person doing an MBA degree from a college not known having no placements....wouldnt fetch you a good profile or gd money.... For instance a certification course from IIM A or XLRI with relevant experience may fetch you a very good management profiles and also have an impact on your resume. So basically there is no point generalizing any course.

This course is a certification course for working professionals having classes twice every week with a very stringent course curriculum. XLRI being a premier institute for HR has put up this certification course using virtual classroom concept. This course is very demanding as you have to complete so many subjects and hell lot of tests and xams parallel to your work load.

Regards
Alagh

Alagh.

With due respect to XLRI and to those who do such courses, I have been working at a top MNC for 4 years now and I certainly know that these courses hold no value and will not get you into a big league company or get you promotions if you do them.

The reality today is that a large majority of people who have a few years work-ex leave their jobs to do an MBA. For those who dont take this route, do Executive MBAs, but mind you, these are Masters degrees, not some "Post Graduate Certificate" courses. If it is an MBA/PGDM, then it does not matter but a certificate course I have to say with a heavy heart is not worth its weight even in paper.

Do you really feel that these certificate courses from IIMs are taken at par with MBAs from other premier institutes? If you do think so then it shows your immaturity and a tendency to close your eyes and shut off your ears to the truth.

It may hurt you, but the fact is that these courses are no better than correspondence courses and are treated likewise.

[alagh@84]

Originally Posted by Tumtum

Alagh.

With due respect to XLRI and to those who do such courses, I have been working at a top MNC for 4 years now and I certainly know that these courses hold no value and will not get you into a big league company or get you promotions if you do them.

The reality today is that a large majority of people who have a few years work-ex leave their jobs to do an MBA. For those who dont take this route, do Executive MBAs, but mind you, these are Masters degrees, not some "Post Graduate Certificate" courses. If it is an MBA/PGDM, then it does not matter but a certificate course I have to say with a heavy heart is not worth its weight even in paper.

Do you really feel that these certificate courses from IIMs are taken at par with MBAs from other premier institutes? If you do think so then it shows your immaturity and a tendency to close your eyes and shut off your ears to the truth.

It may hurt you, but the fact is that these courses are no better than correspondence courses and are treated likewise.

I have also been working in a top MNC for about 3 yrs now and there is no such criteria for ppl not doing an MBA and not climbing up the ladder.Dude i think you havnt read my previous post properly....doing an MBA from a not so reputed institute would fetch you no good profile as close to nothing. Yes but hardwork does pay you well. So to climb that very ladder and get those heavy bucked profiles, you ofcourse need to put in more than your 100% and gradually that would lead you to your destination.

As far as a certification course and a degree is concerned that i would say that there is absolutely no comparison with a full time course from all the premier ones. It is ofcourse the best without a question. But a person having gd work ex leaves his job for a 2 yr full time from a non reputed institure be it an MBA degree ... is a very bad idea.

The value of this course is when you are already working as an HR professional or planning to shift into an HR profile in your very same company. Mostly companies look for Internal Hiring of employess. So in that case this course is like a boon for a person wanting to change their profile. Ofcourse if you go outside as a fresher with this course in hand...you may not be able to get those desired profiles. Prior experience is needed in that specific field.

I totally understand what you are trying to say but i regret to say this that you have built preconcieved notions for such without even knowing much about any course and its value in the market.

[Tumtum]

Originally Posted by alagh@84

But a person having gd work ex leaves his job for a 2 yr full time from a non reputed institure be it an MBA degree ... is a very bad idea.

Why would any sane minded individual do that? Any reason? If a person is having a good work-ex under his belt then the person himself/herself would make sure that he /she does MBA from a good institute !!! C'mon man !

Originally Posted by alagh@84

The value of this course is when you are already working as an HR professional or planning to shift into an HR profile in your very same company. Mostly companies look for Internal Hiring of employess. So in that case this course is like a boon for a person wanting to change their profile. Ofcourse if you go outside as a fresher with this course in hand...you may not be able to get those desired profiles. Prior experience is needed in that specific field.

I have a serious doubt regarding what you say here mate. When a HR professional can do either a Full Time or an Executive MBA in HR (while working), why would he do a "Certificate" course?

By doing this, you must understand that your competition is against a larger audience of people having MBAs from top rung b-schools, and having a "Certificate" might be disadvantageous.

Talking about internal hiring, just take my example. I am a Chartered Financial Analyst having 4 yrs exp in an investment bank....now today if I want to get into my company's HR, do you think this "Certificate" is going to be instrumental? The answer is a big no handsdown.

I don't know from where you get this weird logic mate !

Originally Posted by alagh@84

I totally understand what you are trying to say but i regret to say this that you have built preconcieved notions for such without even knowing much about any course and its value in the market.

There is no question of me having pre-conceived notions. All my observations are based on my experience and whatever I have learnt and observed in these years. Rather, I feel that you are not wanting to look at the reality because of the fear that it might bite you.

It is a matter of fact that these courses are just "dignified" correspondence courses and are treated likewise by an employer.

I understand that it pains to you that you have made such an investment of time and money but facts remain facts and no amount of your coaxing or cajoling is going to take away reality from the fact that these courses hold little value.

[sumitrocks]

Tumtum, I'll comment about the veracity of your statements later, but first, I'd like to suggest some toning down of your language. Even if you disagree with a point, I'm sure someone as mature as you, who has a lot of workex behind him, can express that nicely.

Secondly, I agree with Alagh's (Saumya's) point of view, and feel that certificate courses from premier institutes do help one in furthering one's career. Perhaps, the organization she is speaking of is different, and allows growth based on certificate courses.

I'd request you to add value to the forum with your workex, and not needlessly groan at people, and trash their views. Secondly, more workex doesn't necessarily mean that one always makes sense. (I wish that had been the case. I'd have then gone around bragging about my 6 years in HR/Learning. )

No offence meant, and I hope none is taken.

Cheers,
Sumit

[Tumtum]

Originally Posted by sumitrocks

Tumtum, I'll comment about the veracity of your statements later, but first, I'd like to suggest some toning down of your language. Even if you disagree with a point, I'm sure someone as mature as you, who has a lot of workex behind him, can express that nicely.

I think I am doing that. Just read my posts with a calm mind and you will understand my viewpoint.

Originally Posted by sumitrocks

Secondly, I agree with Alagh's (Saumya's) point of view, and feel that certificate courses from premier institutes do help one in furthering one's career. Perhaps, the organization she is speaking of is different, and allows growth based on certificate courses.

Agreed....you have a right to your opinion and I have to mine. Is it a fault that I don't agree to Saumya's opinion? My only point is why do a certificate course instead of an MBA/ Exec MBA from a premier b-school, to which no answer is available either from your or Saumya and what I get is "you know nothing" rant.

Originally Posted by sumitrocks

I'd request you to add value to the forum with your workex, and not needlessly groan at people, and trash their views. Secondly, more workex doesn't necessarily mean that one always makes sense. (I wish that had been the case. I'd have then gone around bragging about my 6 years in HR/Learning. ). No offence meant, and I hope none is taken.

This is where I feel you are getting it a bit wrong my friend. I am not groaning in a kind of "Tit for Tat" fashion...probably thats what Saumya is doing.

Secondly I am not as you say so nonchalantly "bragging" about my work-ex. I am just using it as a point in reference. I know you have 6 years work-ex and I truly appreciate and respect the fact.

There is no question of me feeling offended because I am discussing in the correct spirit. Hope you get the idea now and not be misled by our previous discussion on KPOs where our views didnot match.

I have always contributed valuably to the forum and in case you have doubts about that, you may (if you have time and if you have willingness to do so) go through my previous threads and ascertain for yourself.


Another observation...

I have gone through other thread on the same topic and noticed what Bani154 said about this course (FYI she is doing this course) in her own words...

" Hi,

This course is not equivalent to a full time MBA. It will definitely benefit you personally as well as professionally. However, you should do this course for your own learning than for your resume. It is a very demanding and a tough course. Due to this, is has a high value in comparison to other non-regular courses. If you do not have the option of doing a full time course, this would definitely be the next best options.
It will help you get better career opportunities- but not as much as doing a full time, but much higher than not doing either at all!
Hope that helps you,

Regards,
Bani."

When a person who is doing this course itself accepts that this is a "next-best" option and that it is incomparable to a full time MBA from a premier institute, then I don't know why you and Saumya are so hell bent on proving that it will do wonders to someone's CV.

The whole point is that when you don't have logical arguments or any point to argue for, you begin taking personal offences and begin doing the "moral policing" stuff.

I am not the one to take personal offences and I believe in having a good discussion.

You and Saumya are free to post more "groans" on this post if it satisfies you people or gives you some relief, but the fact remains, that this is a dignified correspondence course and people who hold such "certificates" are actually laughed at in many companies.

Hope this clears things. If not, I can't do much about it and I can't be any nicer. I am here for a no nonsense discussion and I have no time for "you could use better words" niceties.

[sumitrocks]

Originally Posted by Tumtum

I think I am doing that. Just read my posts with a calm mind and you will understand my viewpoint.


Agreed....you have a right to your opinion and I have to mine. Is it a fault that I don't agree to Saumya's opinion? My only point is why do a certificate course instead of an MBA/ Exec MBA from a premier b-school, to which no answer is available either from your or Saumya and what I get is "you know nothing rant".

Dude, I have nothing against your opinions at all. It's just that I feel your words are too harsh sometimes. (Maybe, I have a rather sensitive skin. ) My primary logic for doing a certificate course instead of an MBA is that for a working executive, time is at a premium. If one goes through the pedagogy of a certificate course, one finds that it only focuses on core courses, and nothing general like an MBA does. Hence, for someone who is already working in a particular line, or wants to pursue a particular line, it sounds good.

Of course, a certificate course will not get you as much ROI as an MBA will. But then, it'll also demand much more from you in terms of time and effort.

Secondly I am not as you say so nonchalantly "bragging" about my work-ex.

I didn't mean that at all!!

I know you have 6 years work-ex and I truly appreciate and respect the fact.

There is no question of me feeling offended because I am discussing in the correct spirit. Hope you get the idea now and not be misled by our previous discussion on KPOs where our views didnot match.

I have always contributed valuably to the forum and in case you have doubts about that, you may (if you have time and if you have willingness to do so) go through my previous threads and ascertain for yourself.

Hope this clears things. If not, I can't do much about it.

There again!! Perfectly valid points, but for the last line. That's what I meant when I said you could consider toning down a bit. But then, like I said, maybe I'm hypersensitive.