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Re: HR Recruiting - Freshers getting lakhs in incentives every month??? - 11-06-2008, 07:34 PM

Just read the paper today (TOI Front Page Right Column top) and found a comment by Obama.

He says that the outsourcing will continue as the migration of work and jobs is inevitable due to globalisation. The question is not whether the outsourcing will continue from the US. The question is whether US will continue to outsource to India.

As for UK and Europe, the contribution is negligent because of the language. Once that part is figured out, more may come (many companies already have Indians learning the language).

Plus, I dont see France outsourcing what with all their unemployment problems.

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Re: HR Recruiting - Freshers getting lakhs in incentives every month??? - 11-06-2008, 10:54 PM

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Just read the paper today (TOI Front Page Right Column top) and found a comment by Obama.

He says that the outsourcing will continue as the migration of work and jobs is inevitable due to globalisation. The question is not whether the outsourcing will continue from the US. The question is whether US will continue to outsource to India.

As for UK and Europe, the contribution is negligent because of the language. Once that part is figured out, more may come (many companies already have Indians learning the language).

Plus, I dont see France outsourcing what with all their unemployment problems.

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Yes, outsourcing would continue till the time they have business. If there's is no business in the first place, then what they will outsource?
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Re: HR Recruiting - Freshers getting lakhs in incentives every month??? - 12-06-2008, 04:39 PM

Ok more distressing news ( I am becoming a doomsayer)

Today's paper (Times Of India Front Page Bottom corner left)

IT Companies remove tissue papers from the loos.

Thats the title. Goes to show how much cost cutting the companies are making. The fire employees but that isnt enough. They go to the extent of saving stationaries, giving no free snacks.

Good if disturbing read.

And the article ends nicely. Someone says " Companies are penny-wise and pound foolish."

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hmm - 12-06-2008, 07:33 PM

As far as i know 70% of white collar jobs each yr in india is in outsourcing industry..

i am shivering at the though of USA recession on job scene....

no payhikes, no new jobs(not many), high inflation peopel will find it tuff to live with their salaries, no job safety in long term:confused:

And this was cheap stuff by IT firms regarding tissue paper.Giod knows how much will these comopanies stoop down since us recession has just begin and wont end before 2 years

+ Russioa world biggest oil producer says oil will hit 250$ in 18 months
Gazprom warns oil could hit $250 | Business | guardian.co.uk

god help us all as india economy is just living on outsourcing :sad:

doomsday ahead
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Re: HR Recruiting - Freshers getting lakhs in incentives every month??? - 12-06-2008, 11:41 PM

Talk of cost cutting, you have read them today, i read them months before.

See these two interesting articles

The real reason why oil prices are rising

By now it is becoming too obvious that the United States is playing the oil game all over again. And this is the desperate gamble of a country whose economy is neck deep in trouble.
Given this scenario, managing prices of oil is central to the US economic architecture. Expectedly, this gamble has been played in a great alliance between the US government, US financial sector and the media.
I have earlier written about:
  • The impending collapse of the US dollar on account of the inherent weakness in the US economy caused by its structural weakness as reflected in the sub-prime crisis;
  • The repeated softening of the interest rates in the US that has the potency to kill the US dollar; and
  • How the fall in the US dollar suits the US corporate sector, especially its omnipotent financial sector.
Naturally, since the past few years, the US financial sector has begun to turn its attention from currency and stock markets to commodity markets. According to The Economist, about $260 billion has been invested into the commodity market -- up nearly 20 times from what it was in 2003

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The real reason why oil prices are rising

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And since you all are MBA guys, you must be knowing about George Soros, this is what he has said recently

George Soros: 'We face the most serious recession of our lifetime

"I think this is probably more serious than anything in our lifetime," he says. In short, his feeling is that the United States and Britain are facing a recession of a scale greater than the early-1990s, greater even than the 1970s.
"I think the dislocations will be greater because you also have the implications of the house price decline, which you didn't have in the 1970s - so you had stagflation and transfer of purchasing power to the oil producing countries, but here you also have the housing crisis in addition to that."

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George Soros: 'We face the most serious recession of our lifetime' - Telegraph
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Re: HR Recruiting - Freshers getting lakhs in incentives every month??? - 12-06-2008, 11:55 PM

Not to miss this important issue

The Financial Tsunami has not reached its Climax
Credit Default Swaps: Next Phase of an Unravelling Crisis

by F. William Engdahl

The Sub Prime Meltdown is but the Tip of the Iceberg

While attention has been focussed on the relatively tiny US "sub-prime" home mortgage default crisis as the center of the current financial and credit crisis impacting the Anglo-Saxon banking world, a far larger problem is now coming into focus. Sub-prime or high-risk Collateralized Mortgage Obligations, CMOs as they are called, are only the tip of a colossal iceberg of dodgy credits which are beginning to go sour. The next crisis is already beginning in the $62 TRILLION market for Credit Default Swaps. You never heard of them? It’s time to take a look, then.

The next phase of the unravelling crisis in the US-centered "revolution in finance" is emerging in the market for arcane instruments known as Credit Default Swaps or CDS. Wall Street bankers always have to have a short name for these things.
As I pointed out in detail in my earlier exclusive series, the Financial Tsunami, Parts I-V, the Credit Default Swap was invented a few years ago by a young Cambridge University mathematics graduate, Blythe Masters, hired by J.P. Morgan Chase Bank in New York. The then-fresh university graduate convinced her bosses at Morgan Chase to develop a revolutionary new risk product, the CDS as it soon became known.
A Credit Default Swap is a credit derivative or agreement between two counterparties, in which one makes periodic payments to the other and gets promise of a payoff if a third party defaults. The first party gets credit protection, a kind of insurance, and is called the "buyer." The second party gives credit protection and is called the "seller". The third party, the one that might go bankrupt or default, is known as the "reference entity." CDS’s became staggeringly popular as credit risks exploded during the last seven years in the United States. Banks argued that with CDS they could spread risk around the globe.
Credit default swaps resemble an insurance policy, as they can be used by debt owners to hedge, or insure against a default on a debt. However, because there is no requirement to actually hold any asset or suffer a loss, credit default swaps can also be used for speculative purposes.
Warren Buffett once described derivatives bought speculatively as "financial weapons of mass destruction." In his Berkshire Hathaway annual report to shareholders he said "Unless derivatives contracts are collateralized or guaranteed, their ultimate value depends on the creditworthiness of the counterparties. In the meantime, though, before a contract is settled, the counterparties record profits and losses -often huge in amount- in their current earnings statements without so much as a penny changing hands. The range of derivatives contracts is limited only by the imagination of man (or sometimes, so it seems, madmen)." A typical CDO is for five years term.
Like many exotic financial products which are extremely complex and profitable in times of easy credit, when markets reverse, as has been the case since August 2007, in addition to spreading risk, credit derivatives, in this case, also amplify risk considerably.
Now the other shoe is about to drop in the $62 trillion CDS market due to rising junk bond defaults by US corporations as the recession deepens. That market has long been a disaster in the making. An estimated $1,2 trillion could be at risk of the nominal $62 trillion in CDOs outstanding, making it far larger than the sub-prime market.
No Regulation
A chain reaction of failures in the CDS market could trigger the next global financial crisis. The market is entirely unregulated, and there are no public records showing whether sellers have the assets to pay out if a bond defaults. This so-called counterparty risk is a ticking time bomb. The US Federal Reserve under the ultra-permissive chairman, Alan Greenspan and the US Government’s financial regulators allowed the CDS market to develop entirely without any supervision. Greenspan repeatedly testified to skeptical Congressmen that banks are better risk regulators than government bureaucrats.
The Fed bailout of Bear Stearns on March 17 was motivated, in part, by a desire to keep the unknown risks of that bank’s Credit Default Swaps from setting off a global chain reaction that might have brought the financial system down. The Fed's fear was that because they didn't adequately monitor counterparty risk in credit-default swaps, they had no idea what might happen. Thank Alan Greenspan for that.

Those counterparties include J.P. Morgan Chase, the largest seller and buyer of CDSs.
The Fed only has supervision to regulated bank CDS exposures, but not that of investment banks or hedge funds, both of which are significant CDS issuers. Hedge funds, for instance, are estimated to have written 31% in CDS protection.
The credit-default-swap market has been mainly untested until now. The default rate in January 2002, when the swap market was valued at $1.5 trillion, was 10.7 percent, according to Moody's Investors Service. But Fitch Ratings reported in July 2007 that 40 percent of CDS protection sold worldwide was on companies or securities that are rated below investment grade, up from 8 percent in 2002.

A surge in corporate defaults will now leave swap buyers trying to collect hundreds of billions of dollars from their counterparties. This will to complicate the financial crisis, triggering numerous disputes and lawsuits, as buyers battle sellers over the technical definition of default - - this requires proving which bond or loan holders weren't paid -- and the amount of payments due. Some fear that could in turn freeze up the financial system.

Experts inside the CDS market believe now that the crisis will likely start with hedge funds that will be unable to pay banks for contracts tied to at least $150 billion in defaults. Banks will try to pre-empt this default disaster by demanding hedge funds put up more collateral for potential losses. That will not work as many of the funds won't have the cash to meet the banks' demands for more collateral.

Sellers of protection aren't required by law to set aside reserves in the CDS market. While banks ask protection sellers to put up some money when making the trade, there are no industry standards. It would be the equivalent of a licensed insurance company selling insurance protection against hurricane damage with no reserves against potential claims.

Basle BIS worried
The Basle Bank for International Settlements, the supervisory organization of the world’s major central banks is alarmed at the dangers. The Joint Forum of the Basel Committee on Banking Supervision, an international group of banking, insurance and securities regulators, wrote in April that the trillions of dollars in swaps traded by hedge funds pose a threat to financial markets around the world.

``It is difficult to develop a clear picture of which institutions are the ultimate holders of some of the credit risk transferred,'' the report said. ``It can be difficult even to quantify the amount of risk that has been transferred.''

Counterparty risk can become complicated in a hurry. In a typical CDS deal, a hedge fund will sell protection to a bank, which will then resell the same protection to another bank, and such dealing will continue, sometimes in a circle. That has created a huge concentration of risk. As one leading derivatives trader expressed the process, "The risk keeps spinning around and around in this daisy chain like a vortex. There are only six to 10 dealers who sit in the middle of all this. I don't think the regulators have the information that they need to work that out.''
Traders, and even the banks that serve as dealers, don't always know exactly what is covered by a credit-default-swap contract. There are numerous types of CDSs, some far more complex than others. More than half of all CDSs cover indexes of companies and debt securities, such as asset-backed securities, the Basel committee says. The rest include coverage of a single company's debt or collateralized debt obligations...

Banks usually send hedge funds, insurance companies and other institutional investors e-mails throughout the day with bid and offer prices, as there is no regulated exchange to pricess the market or to insure against loss. To find the price of a swap on Ford Motor Co. debt, for example, even sophisticated investors might have to search through all of their daily e-mails.
Banks want Secrecy
Banks have a vested interest in keeping the swaps market opaque, because as dealers, the banks have a high volume of transactions, giving them an edge over other buyers and sellers. Since customers don't necessarily know where the market is, you can charge them much wider profit margins.

Banks try to balance the protection they've sold with credit-default swaps they purchase from others, either on the same companies or indexes. They can also create synthetic CDOs, which are packages of credit-default swaps the banks sell to investors to get themselves protection.

The idea for the banks is to make a profit on each trade and avoid taking on the swap's risk. As one CDO dealer puts it, "Dealers are just like bookies. Bookies don't want to bet on games. Bookies just want to balance their books. That's why they're called bookies."

Now as the economy contracts and bankruptcies spread across the United States and beyond, there's a high probability that many who bought swap protection will wind up in court trying to get their payouts. If things are collapsing left and right, people will use any trick they can.

Last year, the Chicago Mercantile Exchange set up a federally regulated, exchange-based market to trade CDSs. So far, it hasn't worked. It's been boycotted by banks, which prefer to continue their trading privately.

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Re: HR Recruiting - Freshers getting lakhs in incentives every month??? - 13-06-2008, 02:01 AM

well
i know the whole world economy is collapsing as USA collapses
I think trhis whole recession will onnl;y be over by 2010 end , alsmot 2 yr od pain still left where we will hear

1) losses
2) job cuts
3) bankruptcies

Heard icici sacked 1000 people 3 days back

the worst has just started . All this party hoopla in india willm come to and end. All these medicoare college mba/btechs will remain jobless :eyepop:

and if oil really reaches 200 $ then i dunnio what will happen :eh:

GOD HELP THE working class like us .. :sad:

ps: yaar BANK PO hi bariya the in pvt sector job se to :sad:
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Re: HR Recruiting - Freshers getting lakhs in incentives every month??? - 13-06-2008, 10:29 AM

By saying it would recover in 2010, you are being 'unconditionally' optimistic :frown:

I don't think US would ever be able to recover from this crisis. :(

After the collapse of the US, it is highly possible that the ruling power of the world would shift to some other state. Either it would shift or the US would no longer remain a single country

North American Union is very close to finalize. They have even planned a new currency called Amero which could replace Dollar in the days to come.
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Re: HR Recruiting - Freshers getting lakhs in incentives every month??? - 13-06-2008, 10:35 AM

A very good point has come across.

The European Union, the coming North American Union and the African Union along with an Asian Union is just signs of a world government and world economy to come.

Dont know what kind of changes are going to come.

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Re: HR Recruiting - Freshers getting lakhs in incentives every month??? - 13-06-2008, 10:41 AM

the_egonomist - Now i personally thank you for taking interest in these things. People are really ignorant and they don't know what is coming in their way in the days to come. It really gives me a momentous joy when i hear about a person who has taken even a slightest interest in the coming danger. And as you right said, its the time to move out of the party mood :angry: and out of the slavery of music, porn, movies, shopping and party. Period !
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