[thedragonreborn]

Honestly, I have never had a larger rumble rumbling its glorious way upwards from the bottom of my tum-tum : ))

From what I know of the blokes on the second floor at Fort (if they are still there), a couple of them atleast, are perfect gentlemen. To see them outraged at any public display of misdemeanour is hardly surprising. Having said that though, I would strongly protest the method adopted at the display of dismay. PG has been that most coveted of places, one where all aspects of discussions are gently understated and relevant, thanks to the untiring efforts of the bunch who work hard to keep it that way. To find "Shocking Video: Indian Institutes of Tasteless Swearing " staring in ones' unwashed, sleep laden lamps of sight, while on vacation, has the most unpleasant of effects. One needs to then, pinch, not delicately mind you, that delicate fold of skin tucked into the inner folds of the elbow joint. That, I can assure you, pinches. Darned uncomfortable.

I remember reading up the thread about the incident at XLRI many, many moons past. Having run through that, a warm, fuzzy ball of well being, settled somewhere in the same region of my anatomy that the current rumble ensues from. It was a feeling born out of the realisation that someone had the gumption to stand up and take up the cause for people, who otherwise would not have been accorded their peace of mind. I have learnt to expect certain standards from PG, PG having defined those standards. Apurv is a seasoned journalist, blessed with grey cells enough to weigh words and their uses and the implication of sentences/phrases born off their errrrr.... conjugation. He also happens to be one of the two gentlemen I referred to earlier (the other being Rohit). It ill befits someone with his experience to have made the choice of words used in the post which forms the foundation of this rather amusing run of thoughts over the last few pages.

I more than agree with the need to inculcate manners/decency, something that is shockingly in short supply in many of our public institutions. But to attempt to do so in a manner which reminds one of, painfully, I might add, dunderheaded pig poo-poo of the likes of Aaj Tak, is a tad disappointing. I sincerely believe people here are quite capable of understanding the gravity of the topic being discussed without being provided with links to download Shocking Videos of Tasteless Swearing, with legends proclaiming, "In cases of videos such as this one, ordinary people from good backgrounds choose to let go of their poise to indulge in mindless crass behaviour just so that they can fit into something they can't change.".

I would like to quote Keerti's post as an example. Typical of him, to the point and illustrative. Much the same could have been done with the topic before the video being put up.

About people being coached to use expletives, well, what I would really like to know is whether the trained foul-mouths volunteered for the halo or if they were forced into it. I find it hard to believe that people with no prior experience in swearing and being nasty hopped on gleefully. "This is about the revelation that students - male or female - are being coached to abuse as an institutional part of the campus culture." Well, there are four or five "ladies" venting their trained lungs in that video. Chosen few they are, not multitudes having been coached. The issue is whether the lot were forced to do so. If not, then we do have the right to the freedom of speech. We must not put up with such appalling misuse of it, but it certainly doesn't mean that during their two years at a b-school, hordes were coached to abuse. Freedom of speech has fences and people on both sides of it. When these merry folk use their lung power, they exercise their rights. Fair enough. However, should it not be used in a manner, could we say, constructive and responsible?

And, for those who claim that swearing is a practice brought on from just engineering colleges, please pay a visit to medical colleges and general degree colleges; even in Delhi and Calcutta, where the best are.

"What we want to ask is, are we okay with our country's taxpayer-funded educational institutions being utilized this way? Can these campuses ever compete with Harvard and Oxfords of the world?"

Why on earth do we need to compare any of these schools with places like Harvard or Oxford? Apples and some samples of fruit from the Rutaceae family anyone? They happen to be proper universities and not specialized one-horse course institutions of higher learning. This does mean loads of people from loads of places involved in loads of thingamajigs. Cultures, races and nationalities stomping through springy grassy expanses of hallowed grounds. Is anyone trying to imply that mud is never churned up in all that tramping about the place? Has anyone here witnessed any of the "healthy" interaction during the rugby outing or the boat race between Cambridge and Oxford?

Talking about expressions in good taste, could someone please tell me if the first post could not have been in better taste?

cheers!!!

p.s: DG!!! You OLPM!!! Bread and butter are not proper company for cakes. How about a fried egg or two? Btw, Fort lives on bhel from this bhel chap downstairs. No bread nor butter for this lot. Certainly no cake.

p.p.s: It is much more important to worry about the kind of spectacle and lingo that our MPs use in the parliament than a bunch of foul mouthed kids from a college. We, after all, choose the gherkins who rule us.

[monsterkartik]

Originally Posted by DJK

Oh that's right. People at PG were just so close to filing for bankruptcy, that they just had to grab a youtube video and post it, so people would click and thereby earn a rupee each click. So simple the whole scheme works. It's all about the money. And yes, PG hired me on an ad hoc basis so I could fight their battles for them. The more the better right.

Ok, so you say it wasnt done for the money. Ok, for the time being i agree with you that it wasnt done for the money. Then whats the purpose of putting it up on the front page of PaGalGuy.

What i know of PG from my experience here is that, a single use of expletive and your out of the forum. Am i right?? Someone even gave example of Plumber and MvB. Then why this viedo here ?? Are we showing the world that such "culture" exsists in B schools ?? Is this really the culture in the B Schools ?? Is this what happens day in and out in a B school like IIM C?? Even if we say that this happens pretty frequently in a B school making it an issue that should be tackeled with, dont you think our country is grappling with many other more important issues that we should discuss about ?? Or coz this is related to a B School and PG being a forum about MBA, and hence we want to tackle all these issues??

Ok lets take it as we are only looking at only B school issues, I ll try to collate a list of issues that i would anyday rate aboove the issue which has taken the center stage:

1) FT ratings has only 1 Indian B School in top 20, ie ISB and instis like IIM A, IIM B, IIM C did not even feature in top 50, so shouldnt we discuss about whats lacking in these colleges?? What sould they do to be a part of that Dream league of colleges ??

2) The basic selection system at majority instis in India - Here in India, CAT score is given the utmost importance for selection in a B School, again a thing that we can have a long debate, an issue effecting 2.5 Lakh students in India. Institutes dont give much importance to the profile of a candidate, his workex, quality of workex, background. Shouldnt we take steps to try to chandge this cliched style of the IIM's ??

3) The life at all good Instis - This is not hidden from us that life at IIMs is as good as hell. People are slogging in day in and day out. Is this really what an MBA degree is all about ?? Just to make you slog from morning to night?? Does that make one a good manager ??

This is just a list of issues i could think of at this point in time

Now my question is, arent these issues far more serious than that one off incident that has been taken on the front page ?? Shouldnt these issues find a place on the homepage rather than that video ??


Would be obliged to someone who can convince me, that the video really deserved to be on this forum and that too on the front page

Cheers

MK

[estranged_gnrs]

Originally Posted by Nafis.khan

I don't know how much monetary benefit PG has gained after starting of this thread but intellectually it has lost a lot.Many old puys who were very active and loyal to pagalguy.com, either they have left PG forever or have parted themself off from this publicity stunt.
As a MBA aspirant i have not come here to listen to the editor,mod,admin etc etc but to take advice from these people who have once gone through my phase and now they are in the most coveted B-school.Now they are in the process of giving back to PG.


Yes people did come here for the free resources of CAT materal, to build PR etc etc but once they have entered into a good B-school they become the asset of PG. more and more people come here to listen to them, take their advice( more member more publicity for you).

Enough damage has been created to Pagalguy.com. Please stop it and end the discussion leave it on individual whether it was right or wrong.( what shown in video).I think people at this level has that much of maturity to identify what is wrong and what is right. Responses has already shown it.

Frankly telling you, we at pagalguy do not care about the majority agreeing to blasphemy just cos its tradition. Even if few lives are made better by our story, that is a measure of success for us.

Cheers,
Rohit

[gabriel666]

Originally Posted by monsterkartik

Ok, so you say it wasnt done for the money. Ok, for the time being i agree with you that it wasnt done for the money. Then whats the purpose of putting it up on the front page of PaGalGuy.

What i know of PG from my experience here is that, a single use of expletive and your out of the forum. Am i right?? Someone even gave example of Plumber and MvB. Then why this viedo here ?? Are we showing the world that such "culture" exsists in B schools ?? Is this really the culture in the B Schools ?? Is this what happens day in and out in a B school like IIM C?? Even if we say that this happens pretty frequently in a B school making it an issue that should be tackeled with, dont you think our country is grappling with many other more important issues that we should discuss about ?? Or coz this is related to a B School and PG being a forum about MBA, and hence we want to tackle all these issues??

Ok lets take it as we are only looking at only B school issues, I ll try to collate a list of issues that i would anyday rate aboove the issue which has taken the center stage:

1) FT ratings has only 1 Indian B School in top 20, ie ISB and instis like IIM A, IIM B, IIM C did not even feature in top 50, so shouldnt we discuss about whats lacking in these colleges?? What sould they do to be a part of that Dream league of colleges ??

2) The basic selection system at majority instis in India - Here in India, CAT score is given the utmost importance for selection in a B School, again a thing that we can have a long debate, an issue effecting 2.5 Lakh students in India. Institutes dont give much importance to the profile of a candidate, his workex, quality of workex, background. Shouldnt we take steps to try to chandge this cliched style of the IIM's ??

3) The life at all good Instis - This is not hidden from us that life at IIMs is as good as hell. People are slogging in day in and day out. Is this really what an MBA degree is all about ?? Just to make you slog from morning to night?? Does that make one a good manager ??

This is just a list of issues i could think of at this point in time

Now my question is, arent these issues far more serious than that one off incident that has been taken on the front page ?? Shouldnt these issues find a place on the homepage rather than that video ??


Would be obliged to someone who can convince me, that the video really deserved to be on this forum and that too on the front page

Cheers

MK

Mk, come on dude you are clutching on straws over here. The things that you think are more important than the incident in question are not news articles but subjects to be discussed and as such there are several thread on PG that do discuss these subjects. The particular incident on the other hand is a valid news article and hence as a site that claims to be the everything about MBA and B Schools , PG is well within its rights to show this as a news item. You can very well argue that news channels should not have spend the last 2 days on the happenings in the parliament as there are many more important things happening in the country but the fact is that they both have their own space and showing one news item is not ignoring the others.

There is some merit in arguing about the need for neutrality while reporting such stuff, I personally do feel that some of the language used in the article should have been avoided in the interest of maintaining a neutral view on the subject. The question about whether this incident should have been reported is a whole different issue and like I said before as a site with a major focus on the Indian B School scene this is a very obvious thing to show/report(niche market and all that jazz). Now, if this was a headline on a leading English daily I would have argued that it was an attempt at sensationalizing the incident as the primary focus of a regular English Daily is not the daily happenings in Indian B Schools.

Cheers

PS:- Plumber and MvB were not banned because the use of a single expletive but because of a series of posts that had both personal attacks and specific attacks on a religion. I believe PG showed great restraint in dealing with both of them and that they deserved to be banned long before.

PPS:- The reason this article is reported on the "front page" is that unlike a regular newspaper the front page (home page) is the only place PG puts up its news articles.

[gabriel666]

Originally Posted by estranged_gnrs

Your avatar pic says it all. How you identify education .

...

Oh come on now!!. This was totally uncalled for. Are you going to resort to personal attacks when someone expresses their opinion. I guess it is just not members who need to read the rules for posting on PG.

[estranged_gnrs]

Originally Posted by gabriel666

Oh come on now!!. This was totally uncalled for. Are you going to resort to personal attacks when someone expresses their opinion. I guess it is just not members who need to read the rules for posting on PG.

My apologies. Gabriel, I respect your opinions and intelligence. I should not have done that. Edited my post.

Cheers,
Rohit

[andy_jaan]

Originally Posted by estranged_gnrs

My apologies. Gabriel, I respect your opinions and intelligence. I should not have done that. Edited my post.

Cheers,
Rohit

Thanks Rohit,
Good Job but frankly I think there are too many slips at highest level of the forum in recent times and this frequency of apologies itself is apologetic.
We met at AIPGM and I always restrained from commenting on happenings as a whole partially because of my association with PG and mostly because of the hard work which Bangalore puys did for it. Yes its true and commendable that Apurv has come in open and regretted few acts but again here I would like to mention all of us, yes all means all, you, me, Apurv and any other senior puy in that meeting, that it was a collective failure not to be able to strengthen our union to the extend it could have been. Am delibrately avoiding nitty gritties here.
Leaving this message here only with a hope that in future we all will be more careful and sincere in our efforts.
And to rest of the junta of-course most of us are disagreeing on the context,content and purpose of said article but this doesn't give anyone a right to make sub-standard remarks or allegation on intentions of Administrators at all. Please criticize if you must but go easy on words and high on EQ.
ANdy

P.S. Hope low IQ Indians are average on EQ.

[abhishek1711]

Disgusting !!!

Let the parents of these aspirants know the reality - and let them decide if this is so "cool", "private matter" and "women empowerment" !

Today its on PG, and here posted here Mba India Network - Mba India News & Updates IIM-C XLRI Campus Video Shocks MBA Fraternity , tomm it could be on national telivision - will still it be "coool" !!!

[curtz-imi]

Gosh, this started a couple days back and i reach here now ...

have read through 8 pages of some crap..some awesome opinions and my rambling below follows no pattern. Its just a collage of some grey cells, painting some pictures in some corner of my insignificant organ...

lemme go around 3 years back and visualise those moments spent in an amazing event called Chakravyuh ...for the uninitiated its the biggest inter b-school sports meet which is organised successfully year after year by IMT...lemme narrate..we reach ..self being in his fuccha year and a part of the volleyball team representing his b-skool...first match starting at 12:00 AM against the home team (thats midnight by the way and thats when the event starts every year)...we start of well...and well i guess you cant do that against the home team any day and we find ourselves surrounded on all three corners of the court by host team gurls and the sledging starts and believe me the words/war cries/sarcahstic remarks thrown at us were not CCped from oxford dictionary...they were the choicest of words/abuses that you keep on hearing day after day in our existence...okies so what happened next...did we do moral policing...did we go and compalin to the official...b**ls we dint...it egged us to perform better..we played better than them and we won...so what after that...the same set of gurls came to us and congratulated us for playing well...no animosity...no heartburn taken forward...

now what happens next...next match our gurls are playing against the home team gurls...and again the same sledging starts...this time we start it (IMI war cries) and use the same tactics (covering them from all corners) against them....and it continues...and its not only between us and IMT (okies we have a history here)...but it happened whenever a b-skool played against the other...IMT had its own war cry..so had MDI..so had IIFT..so had IIMB..so had NM..so had all the others and so had all 11 skools which were partcipating (am using had coz i am not sure whether they were part of the so called culture/tradition thats so animatedly getting dissected here)

so does it prove B-Skools teach all wong stuffs...students get coached to try and put compeitition under undue stress...well i dint see that...i dint feel like that...it was more or less like..an instant reaction... maybe a knee jerk reaction...okies the words we listen in the clip were maybe rehearsed before..but then..to think it was coached..is something not that convincing...just for the sake of info...the next year i revisited IMT for Chakravyuh....they had something special just aimed at us and guess what...it was a twisted version of our own war cry... ..and we responsed by tweaking their old war cry...well thats life and we keep on doing such things...

i dont know whether what i blabbered really warranted a space in this chaotic..sometimes melodramatic..sometimes highly insightful tranche of posts...but hell yeah...such stuffs happen accross all campuses...no it cant be justified as right or wrong...no it cant be termed as culture and tradition ...but yeah it gets passed on year after year ...batch after batch...just like dorm names..just like prof nick names...just like common nicks ...but who carries on this so called traditions/cultures...people who want to do so...who feel that they want to continue with the same...no one forces the same on other..no one is outcasted for not sticking around with one particular herd...dont u talk to a frnd who does not call a certain female prof 'lady hitler' when the whole gang calls her so...no one does it so...similarly no one kicks you out of the system...for not following a certain so called cultures/traditions.....it does not mean such things never happen...it happens ..but in most of the case..all skools have enough matured individuals to ensure that things fall into place and that too perfect place...

now the question arises...was this thread ever warranted...i will say yes..it was warranted...but yeah the way it was put forward was wrong...instead of targetting a particular mindset...it would have been rather fair to just ask "Is the mindset right" ...starting off with a strong one sided view has resulted in such a deep division...have seen many one liner two liner posts supporting both ends which are plain crap and need not be there...the issue of such things happens in Indian B-skool...whats your take has suddenly moved into prostitution/money raking/name callings/defending ones b-skool and shouting against some b-skools/many other cock and bull stories..

was the link warranted...i will say no...but then if that had been released by some intelligent bloke in a public domain ...either directly or indirectly our intelligent puys would have grabbed their piece of viewership...

so what from now...lets start talking like matured individuals (specially intended to ppl who are more interested in discussing it one to one and thereby writing unwarranted stuffs)...lets try and find out...how many of us are really affected by such actions...try and find out is it something which is really effecting our society...try and find out do you start abusing when you reach a b-skool or a med college or a engg college..or have we started abusing when are in our knickers...if the last point is the case...them lets try and do something in our skools not b-skools

i would like to state something here...which has been somewhat vehemently faught against by some of my frnds here....there are so called traditions/cultures in many b-skools..some may be termed positive (yes there are, when we talk abt culture and all..there are positives asscociated with it also)..some are negative...if there are postives lets appreciate that...if negative and its creating a chaos in the internal moral balance of an individual..let your school/college know abt it...am sure no one forces you to break your moral standards...if they do...every skool has enough morally responsible people in good responsible position to take care of such matters...if it still is not resolved...i guess PG is a very good place to air your opinions...and till date my perception of PG is that...if something is really wrong ...puys will be the first to break accross so called social/educational/virtual barrier and support the right cause...

i rest my long post to rest now...have rambled a lot...some will make sense...some wont...hope at least it creates a bit of a difference...if not ...feel free to engage in some fruitful discussion

ciao..

P.S - Tx Andy for giving me the link for the thread

P.P.S - AIPGM...i would want to repond back to certain stuff written here..but would keep it for later

[comingback2life]

Originally Posted by pagalguy

Oxy's point highlights that you can't one day decide to make stories and those stories don't make us all rich here at PG. We have to take a lot of flak, a lot of people are angry at us - but the challenge is to understand why we do what we do. Stick to the topic, see our concerns at the end of the article, see how women are treated as sexual objects in the case of pendyal's story, see how 'cultures' are used to hide behind crass behavior. If you don't - then take a short break from posting. Just rehashing the same thought is just too boring to take at this point.

Accepted.But how do you define crass behavior? Is the video more crass or is labelling all the IIM's(even when you apparently have a video of just IIMC what gives you the right and incentive to generalize?) as "Indian Institutes of Tasteless Swearing" (on the basis of one tiny sneak peek that you accidentally got into their variegated lives) on the home page crass? And of course there is a debate on the ethics of swearing but lets leave that. Enough has been said already,all I would say is that character assassination and such hasty branding are unjustified when all you have is a 10 s video to try and comprehend what goes on inside and the spirit of these institutes.have you observed in the video there are many girls who seem to have just joined the group and not participating.
btw dont you ever lie or cheat? Dont you have dark moments in your life? Does that make you decadent and "tasteless" in character. Point is that one off acts dont define any system.Also you knew about these facts all along. Leaving the video aside,its strange that if you felt so strongly about it you never cared to discuss this so called "sexual objectification" etc etc before, except when you got some cue by accidental means. I mean if I felt so strongly about something I would want to talk about it no matter what and hunt for facts to support it.
I feel very strongly for PG and am writing all this only so that I can contribute to the discussion in my way. However I am not going to my personal blog or anything to vent out my disappointment with PG and labelling it as a publcity monger because I know that there is more to it than just this one off thread and what many like me feel-a going overboard on their part...JLT I would like to share something our Social Transformation prof(wonderful fellow) shared with us which seems apt

I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire



sigh....Miss the old PG days:sarcasm: