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Hello PGs, Having been a PG for the last 2+ years, and having observed posts and threads across the International Section of the forums, I find that many are relatively less aware of some of the other interesting educational avenues availabl...
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Hey i am pursuing my b'com..wil complete in june 2011.
Can any1 help me regarding landscape designing course is it worth it and it is best in new zealand.Am i eligible for it.
I don't have gud extra curriculars.
10th-78
12th-71
grad til nw 68.i wil end up in 70-72.PLZ TEL ME Abt my options of dis course puys.


help me about full time master's program
Life is a journey which goes on
Are you passionate about design? Do you have an aptitude for it? Are you looking for a vocational course or a full on Master's degree?

Please be more specific in your requests.

All the best


ya it's one thing i am very passionate of plz tell me.i was late in repling as i had sem exams.i want master's in landscape design.
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Hi BacardiSprite,
I am interested in the Dual degree program of The Logistics institute,Asia Pacific(TLI).But i'm not sure if i make the cut.
On the plus side I do have relevant work experience.I'm Working with the largest IT major(service) in India,where i'm involved in a project that handles the IT for the largest Pharma drugstore retail chain in the US.I've been here for a year and while my job is related to the enhancement and maintainence of the already implemented systems, i have had decent exposure to the functional aspects of the business.I also keep in touch with the guys in "logistics" (I am a part of inventory systems) and I want to use this.
However I want a second opinion as to whether i have good chances of being accepted.Here's my profile,
10th/12th: 75/73% respectively
B.Tech (IT): 72%
Good Extracurriculars,army background,studied all over india,
Organised fests in College,won some debates,editor of college magazine etc.
Have not given GRE/TOEFL yet.
From your description of the course i got interested.I know its a little impulsive.But I know my growth in this field will be hampered because of the unprofessional environment i work in.I need to get out of this place.
Please advise me if I should seriously get after this course or if i dont make the cut (in which case,could u suggest something that i could do at this point)

Thanks and Regards,
Chetan

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Thank so much for your guidance.

I feel sorry for myself for not doing well in verbal section. I got nervous. Lost control of this section :-(

Ideally, after MBA, I would like a career which revolves around something like researching the market and being able to give ideas for new product or a role in marketing of product. I want to be able to utilize my engineering background and want a career beyond purely technical work that I am doing now. For e.g. Solar companies, Engineering services or any such company. I am also interested in entrepreneurship, a start up of my own. I prefer to continue to work/live in US. These are two areas that I am current looking at. I am not sure, how wider a net I can cast by adding an MBA to my current resume. So far I only have a hazy picture of what I want to do with an MBA.

I have been in the US since 6.5 years now (including the time for MS). I joined my current company right out of grad school. I want to target Stern, Columbia and Yale but I guess my poor scores have dented my dream :-(


For starters, you sound underconfident! Nothing prevents you from another crack at the GMAT and crossing 700+, you're nearly there. Prepare and try again. You have the profile to make people take a second look, and hopefully good stories to tell on your essays. Bring yourself to point where schools would find it hard to not interview you. Once you have applied and have been invited to an interview, it's all yours to win / lose.

Good however to see you wanting to retain elements of your past education and skills, employers will appreciate that. Given your interests and passions, you might have to cast a wider net into companies that don't normally come on campus, therefore an off-campus search. You also need access to a network & group of Alumni who are in the careers you mention, entrepreneurship included.

Have you looked at Babson College's FW Olin School's MBA? It's curriculum, delivery, and network is something that would definitely interest you. Granted, not the same "brand" as Yale, Columbia, Stern - but definitely in the same class when it comes to students, faculty and the class of graduates that comes out of there. To attract the right candidates, Babson is also known to offer generous scholarships and graduate assistantships to their MBAs to assis faculty and conduct their own entrepreneurial research. If you have visited, or will visit the NY schools and Connecticut (Yale), make the trip to Babson (Boston) as well.

Cheerz & All the best

@baccardisprite:

I need your suggestion on a topic which you have probably not touched upon in these threads for options beyond the MBA. And you have got this a lot, I know, but you are doing some amazing work here!! And that is an understatement.

I needed your opinion on PhD studies in the areas of Engineering / Technology Management.

In brief, I am currently doing the 1-year MBA program from XLRI, Jamshedpur. I joined this year after working for a little less than 7 years in the field of Engineering Design and Product Lifecycle Management (PLM). This is IT specifically for the manufacturing industry (automobile, aerospace, electronics..). I have worked both as a designer (computer-aided design) as well as in pure IT (in the PLM space with companies such as TCS and Geometric). However, being a Mechanical Engineer, I had taken a conscious decision to stick to the whereabouts of this field (hence, sticking to PLM even within IT).

Having worked for around 7 years, I was keen on doing something which would give me a career break and possibly give me more options as far as career options was concerned. Parallely, while introspecting on what it is that I "really wanted to do", I did explore the option of a PhD, as I have come around to think, after working for these many years, that I am pretty good at analysis, problem-solving and generally at work that does not make me run around or that is in a fast, competitive corporate environment. I think I like I getting into a subject in depth and work on it.

While in it, I got the offer from XLRI, and jumped into it - probably myopic, since I wanted a change immediately. But I have not shed the idea of a PhD, and I think over the last 6 months the more I have introspected, the more inclined I have become towards it. With subjects such as Operations Management which I have been exposed to, I have developed an interest in subjects which combine Technology and Management, and have been trying to look for information on PhD programs for the same.

What after a PhD - I would probably want to work in a research based organization, and looking really long, I guess the obvious choice would be to get into academics as a practitioner of the subject; as opposed to being just an academician.

While I think I have pretty much laid down my thoughts here, I'd very much like to hear from you your opinion on what you think of a PhD, especially after a 7 year work ex + 1-year MBA, and options in terms of Universities, in the US and Europe, specifically on the subjects of Engineering and Technology Management.

Looking forward to your reply eagerly...

Thanks a lot!
Rishi

Thank so much for your guidance.

I feel sorry for myself for not doing well in verbal section. I got nervous. Lost control of this section :-(

Ideally, after MBA, I would like a career which revolves around something like researching the market and being able to give ideas for new product or a role in marketing of product. I want to be able to utilize my engineering background and want a career beyond purely technical work that I am doing now. For e.g. Solar companies, Engineering services or any such company. I am also interested in entrepreneurship, a start up of my own. I prefer to continue to work/live in US. These are two areas that I am current looking at. I am not sure, how wider a net I can cast by adding an MBA to my current resume. So far I only have a hazy picture of what I want to do with an MBA.

To give you a little more insight into my current work: I am in development of tools for fabrication of advanced memories like STT-RAM and PC-RAM (future replacement for DRAM). It involves having knowledge of vacuum processes, semiconductor materials, mechanical design of tools used to fabricate memories, statistical process control, etc. All this work is in direct relation to my B.Tech/MS education. We also deal with a lot of clients to whom we sell our tools. Unfortunately, I still don't have any significant publications or patents to prove my technical competence. But my clients and my colleagues will be happy to write good LoRs for me.

I have been in the US since 6.5 years now (including the time for MS). I joined my current company right out of grad school. I want to target Stern, Columbia and Yale but I guess my poor scores have dented my dream

@baccardisprite

I need your suggestion on weather you think I have a chance to get admit for a full time program in Columbia, NYU Stern or Yale. I am only interested in these 3 schools.

I am 27 years old professional (not US permanent resident)

GRE: 590 Verbal + 790 Quant (GRE/GMAT comparison table puts this score as equivalent to 690 in GMAT. I know this is not how the adcoms might compare but just to give idea to many of us I am using this tool)

Work Exp: Currently working in Hitachi Corporation in California since 4.5 years as Engineer specializing in semiconductors and advanced materials for future memories. My work is pure research & development, highly technical utilizing multiple engineering skills. I am no where close to IT.

M.S.: University of Alabama (Materials Engineering)
GPA: 3.67/4.0
Won the grad school fellowship award, internships, thesis, papers

B.Tech: NIT Trichy (Metallurgical Engineering)
69%

12th & 10th: 75 %

I want to try to apply in 2nd round for all the 3 schools. You might ask me if I have done something outstanding in life. I really did not, just lead a normal. Thanks for your help


:-)... The question on something spectacular is for those who sound in a rush for an MBA right after under-grad, and ask questions similar to yours.

Prima facie - not being in IT is a minor advantage (given also your previous US Masters). However our demographic calls for a minimum 700 GMAT to be competitive with other Indians, granted many from IT, but there are several with professional profiles similar to yours as well.

What do you want to do after school (functionally)? What industry, what kind of company? What geography (guess US is your first preference)? This information is as important as your (current) profile, with which doesn't lack the basics (age, experience, academic ability etc). You seem to have had a good career so far.

Let me know and will guide you more specifically.

All the best
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@baccardisprite
I need your suggestion on weather you think I have a chance to get admit for a full time program in Columbia, NYU Stern or Yale. I am only interested in these 3 schools.

I am 27 years old professional (not US permanent resident)

GRE: 590 Verbal + 790 Quant (GRE/GMAT comparison table puts this score as equivalent to 690 in GMAT. I know this is not how the adcoms might compare but just to give idea to many of us I am using this tool)

Work Exp: Currently working in Hitachi Corporation in California since 4.5 years as Engineer specializing in semiconductors and advanced materials for future memories. My work is pure research & development, highly technical utilizing multiple engineering skills. I am no where close to IT.

M.S.: University of Alabama (Materials Engineering)
GPA: 3.67/4.0
Won the grad school fellowship award, internships, thesis, papers

B.Tech: NIT Trichy (Metallurgical Engineering)
69%

12th & 10th: 75 %

I want to try to apply in 2nd round for all the 3 schools. You might ask me if I have done something outstanding in life. I really did not, just lead a normal. Thanks for your help
oromis Says
would a degree in law gotten from say USA or Singapore or UK be recognizable in India? i mean, would they be recognized by the Bar council?


Unlikely! You'd likely need to at the very least apply to the National Bar Council or equivalent for a license to practice, if not require to pass an exam for the license to practice.

Might be worth seeking a lawyer's opinion on this :-). This query may be a bit too specialist for most out here.
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Kudos to bacardisprite for keeping this thread alive and providing great insights almost 3 years now (if I am not mistaken)

Wanted a lil insights myself.

>> Am a Marine Engineer (BITS-P) passed out in 2007 and have full time International work exp serving as an engineer on-board large ocean-going tankers in the Merchant marine.
>> Directly responsible for cargo operations and running of ships valued in excess of $150 million.
>>Reporting on performance & running of the machineries & coordination with head office for logistic management
>>Have lead teams of multinational crew members, communicating and motivating them, and showing good judgement in allocation of tasks and responsibilities.
>>Execute budgetary responsibilities including forecasts, target worker-hours, labour forecasting, profit and loss accountability, cost control, inventory and just in time purchasing.
>>Successfully completed port state inspections and oil-major's inspections such as Chevron-Texaco, BP, Exxon-Mobil, Shell, and Statoil thus enhancing hire value of the ship.

Acads are decent:
Dont knw how imp +2 is but i saw a lot of people posting it for some reason. (88% CBSE)
BS Marine Engineering (8.2/10)
Extras:
various team sports/Tech. paper presentations/team lead at events/Editor for Collg. publication&newsletter.;

Career progression has been pretty good since Feb-07 have climbed up the ranks with good reccos.
Now the problem is switching to shore-based opportunities.

The switch presents a two-fold dilemma
1st: switch and change field completely
2nd: switch to a shore op. in the same field of operation (makes a bit of sense)

Altho I am in prep for Gmat glory and wht not. Was surprised to find the trove of info on this thread.
MBA seems to be the way to go however, keeping an open mind, it wud be foolish not to consider other options.

Was wondering if Bacardi or any other member can shed more light on the Maersk Mgmt Trainee Prog. ? I had seen it mentioned somewhr before....but hey...this is one collosal thread. need a bit more info wrt :
1) stipend/salary stats since they indicate tht ur a Maersk employee from day 1 plus no info on extras such as accomodation and other perks if any.
2) no student review/feedback on the program

Second query is wrt cass b-school
1) it supposedly has a great program in Shipping Finance/Commodities/Derivatives/etc : Needed a better review on the program. Is the program really as good as it is claimed?
Moreover with the UK visa cap etc being implemented and the sorry state of affairs in EU, how badly will that effect the recruitment process?

And lastly:
I see a lot of exp ppl here. Would appreciate if other avenues were recommended for my said profile

Cheerios to Bacardi again ... :cheers:
Hope to get some great opinions from ppl around.


Interesting profile. One that you should work towards developing.

The Maersk Graduate Leadership Program (MGLP) is derived from the former Maersk International Shipping Education (MISE) Program. The latter was terminated in 2009 after 16 years in operation, due to various factors not least of which was the cost of running a global program with 600+ people at its biggest (2006).

MGLP should now be a more selective, smaller program with between 50-100 global trainees at any time (including a few from India), the size is more in line with the MISE program in the 1990's.

It comes with an Industry competitive salary (should be in the INR 5-7L) now, but I don't think it comes with too many perks in the location of your job rotation. Your flights & accommdation are of course paid for the international, training and education trips. According to their website, one of the training modules is in ISB, Hyderabad.

You don't get many reviews / feedback because it's not a program that's as publicly advertized as the leadership / trainee programs of some of the other major companies, that's about it. Secondly - I don't think the program goes on campus to colleges to recruit. They invite applications from people who're between 23-26/27 with 2-4 years of experience to apply. Don't know what the profile is in India. For its industry though, the MISE was bench-mark before it got too big & unwieldy, and the MGLP should have several aspects from the MISE. The Top performers (job & program) would have access to top International assignments (2-3 years), after which it's back to the home country for a few years, achieve a level of seniority and then more global career avenues are available again.

You'd be in the ball-park experience & age wise, and I'd encourage you to apply if you want to build a career with the biggest name in liner shipping and multimodal logistics.

Cass Business School - Well regarded Shpping, Trade & Finance Program, that offers (alongside a Master's Degree) exemptions and low resistance path to get the Professional Membership of the ICS (Institute of Chartered Shipbrokers).

Jobs in general the UK are an issue, though the job market in the EU (Germany, Nordics are a bit better). For Non-EU entrants, government policies may make the UK job market more challenging, unless the company hiring believes the person brings something tangible to the table in terms of specialist experience. With core experience in shipping operations (some financial knowledge), good finance education from the program itself, and the promise of professional endorsement through an MICS, you "should" have the ability to at least get employers interested in you though it's unwise to underestimate the challenge. Career options open include the maritime financial arms of banks and brokerages, shipbrokers & agents, port and terminal management companies, shipowning companies, and specialist industry consultants. The STF & its sister energy program should have a loyal and committed group of Alumni, a network you should be able to gain access to. In addition to the UK, also try the Nordics and reach out to Alumni in Asia, where the business getting back to its pre-2007 days.

If maritime trade and finance is an area you want to get into, it's might be worth building the profile, skills & experience for the area, by getting into Maersk (start a shore career), do 3-4 years hopefully including an international assignment post the MGLP, then go for a specialist Masters.

Hope that helps you make an informed choice.
All the best
Hi,
I've just graduated and my profile is as follows:

10th Board 75 Percent
12th Board 68 Percent

BBA 62 Percent

I am looking to do a MSc. Marketing outside India. Could you provide advice as to where i could apply which would give me an oppurtunity to be placed or employed thereafter ?


I assume the Marketing Course reflects a step towards a desired career in Marketing????

If yes - job opportunities for someone without cultural / professional experience (in the markets you want to potentially work in) is close to zero! At a young age, Marketing is a culturally immersive career, you need to know the people and culture of the country you want to work in. Example - if you want to do M.Sc Marketing in the UK, do you have UK experience (at least lived if not worked there before)? If not, how do you think you'll convince someone to employ you in Marketing?

Best is try getting into a marketing career in India. As the Indian business environment requires you to potentially have an MBA / PGDM (possibly with a specialization in Marketing), do that and then access a marketing career in India - possibly with a Global / Multinational company like a P&G;, Philips or similar. Gain 5-7 years of solid experience and skills that you can transfer to another market where the same company has operations. Take it from there....

Your suggested way isn't something I'd actively encourage. Apologies if this isn't what you wanted to hear.

All the best
Baccardisprite
Sir

I am currently 22 and just got to know about the masters in management prog. in us and uk. This happened b'coz of my recent visit to a us/uk fair at a near by location. I met the regional director of south asia of univ of northampton.

1. is it a better option than directly going for an mba
2. Some of the schools do not even require anything apart from your academic scores
3. Where can i find a list of the top 10 or 15 schools and how can i contact them
4. Is this prog fairly less known and therefore less popular or what ???


You might want to share what your career goals are.

1. Not unless you bring something professionally spectacular to the table. At 22 that's unlikely. Assuming you want to do this Masters in Management as a stepping to a career in the UK, you want to ensure you bring something tangible to a future employer in the UK. At this age, that's unlikely. Further, the UK job market is still prisoner to a very slow economic recovery, with UK Government policies getting increasing unfriendly to non-EU entrants to the UK (& its job market).... Forget comparisons to an MBA, it's not a good option at this stage period!

If you want a Masters so badly - do it in India, in a reputed school. Otherwise, look for a job, and gain some professional experience for the next 4-5 years.

2. Not worth it then.

3. Google the rankings for Masters in Management courses (Financial Times)

4. I don't know about it.

Recommend get a job and work for 4-5 years, then think about further education abroad.

All the best
Baccardisprite
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Hey!

You are a savior! I have a research proposal in mind which I described to program coordinator in an email. The response has been "The interests you describe would be an interesting area of research, thesis topic and future career aspirations."

I am not sure if this is a casual statement meant for all prospective students or a customized one. Assuming that my research proposal does make sense, I would really want to build on it. I am looking to constantly refine my idea by talking to people who can offer quality insights.

How much do you think this statement means? I know it takes a lot to make it to the program. All I am asking is if I should believe that my research proposal bears resonance with the theme of the program.

Regards,

p.s: What drives you?


The program is hard to get into and you can assume that the Program Coordinator is someone with enough experience and knowledge to comment on your proposal. Build on the proposal and refine to effectively communicate it in your statement of purpose.

You seem passionate and determined. Act on both and you'll get there!

All the best
Baccardisprite
baccardisprite Says
Google "LSAT" and you'll find pretty much everything you need. Start with the www.lsac.org website!



would a degree in law gotten from say USA or Singapore or UK be recognizable in India? i mean, would they be recognized by the Bar council?

Kudos to bacardisprite for keeping this thread alive and providing great insights almost 3 years now (if I am not mistaken)

Wanted a lil insights myself.

>> Am a Marine Engineer (BITS-P) passed out in 2007 and have full time International work exp serving as an engineer on-board large ocean-going tankers in the Merchant marine.
>> Directly responsible for cargo operations and running of ships valued in excess of $150 million.
>>Reporting on performance & running of the machineries & coordination with head office for logistic management
>>Have lead teams of multinational crew members, communicating and motivating them, and showing good judgement in allocation of tasks and responsibilities.
>>Execute budgetary responsibilities including forecasts, target worker-hours, labour forecasting, profit and loss accountability, cost control, inventory and just in time purchasing.
>>Successfully completed port state inspections and oil-major's inspections such as Chevron-Texaco, BP, Exxon-Mobil, Shell, and Statoil thus enhancing hire value of the ship.

Acads are decent:
Dont knw how imp +2 is but i saw a lot of people posting it for some reason. (88% CBSE)
BS Marine Engineering (8.2/10)
Extras:
various team sports/Tech. paper presentations/team lead at events/Editor for Collg. publication&newsletter.;

Career progression has been pretty good since Feb-07 have climbed up the ranks with good reccos.
Now the problem is switching to shore-based opportunities.

The switch presents a two-fold dilemma
1st: switch and change field completely
2nd: switch to a shore op. in the same field of operation (makes a bit of sense)

Altho I am in prep for Gmat glory and wht not. Was surprised to find the trove of info on this thread.
MBA seems to be the way to go however, keeping an open mind, it wud be foolish not to consider other options.

Was wondering if Bacardi or any other member can shed more light on the Maersk Mgmt Trainee Prog. ? I had seen it mentioned somewhr before....but hey...this is one collosal thread. need a bit more info wrt :
1) stipend/salary stats since they indicate tht ur a Maersk employee from day 1 plus no info on extras such as accomodation and other perks if any.
2) no student review/feedback on the program

Second query is wrt cass b-school
1) it supposedly has a great program in Shipping Finance/Commodities/Derivatives/etc : Needed a better review on the program. Is the program really as good as it is claimed?
Moreover with the UK visa cap etc being implemented and the sorry state of affairs in EU, how badly will that effect the recruitment process?

And lastly:
I see a lot of exp ppl here. Would appreciate if other avenues were recommended for my said profile

Cheerios to Bacardi again ... :cheers:
Hope to get some great opinions from ppl around.

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