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I think things have been explained by Mods as well as others lot of times and what is happening right now is just going around in circles. To end it all, let me make it clear, Mods have clarified time and again and their judgement is trusted upon since they understand the culture of Pagalguy much better than others. So the decision by mods stays as it is and there is no retraction on that. I believe the issue is closed now.
Any more on this issue by anyone, he/she joins the people with Golden Balls list.Any more inflammatory messages, you go there again.
Now let me make the few newbies who are around or people who want to understand why some decisions are not as black and white here.
Pagalguy evolved as a dream. It was all about brilliant,exceptional, average and mediocre people coming together, but everyone strived here for being exceptional. People who were part of it initially, were very particular about the quality here.As more members joined in, the quality got diluted. Partly due to the inability of oldies to communicate the PG culture to the newbies and partly due to inability of mediocre people to transform themselves to exceptional.Some did, and they have created stories. There is a devil inside all of us, but we decided, we will have zero tolerance policy when we are at pagalguy.It was not the responsibility of the mods, but it was of every member who was passionate about Pagalguy.The decision by Mods was based on understanding of this place for a long period of time and the bigger picture.
If you want to learn more, do read this link - Fixing Broken Windows - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I have highlighted 2 things, which may be the root cause.If you agree with me and want to build on it, you are more than welcome.
And Gantis, since you have reminded us of our duties , I am sure you will carry the torch now and suggest some constructive things, as in how we can make average people exceptional during their PG journey and keep the devil in them at bay.
I will be writing more on this and taking part actively with you all in developing something which keeps the essence of the community intact as well as facilitates new users.
Cheers and let us move ahead.
Well ive been keeping track of this confrontation for a while now, and i must say that even after apurv's attempts to explain this over and over again, you are just to ready to let go..
Surr did something wrong and has been reprimanded accordingly. Besides its a 2 week ban and not a lifelong one.. he'll be back soon.
And you dont have to get personal. Its not easy being a mod from what i gather, and apurv and the rest are doing a rather good job.(they arnt paid a penny mind you).
Your smiley faced avatar is quite contradictory to your posts:grin:
Well....i am unable to control appreciating your SHREWDNESS my dear friend Ok. I willnot speak about Surr or anybody. And this might be your last post but, i am sure you would read mine. You are unfit as a mod because your pride and persoanal integrity have come in your way of your judgement. I like your "PREVENTION IS BETTER THAN CURE" ATTITUDE:thumbsup: Well, though i am patient enough to fight for a cause, i am not a fool to beat drums for a DUMB. Please read the book "HOW TO WIN FRIENDS AND INFLUNCE PEOPLE" you need it. And this is a friendly advice.
Remember, i will not let you do this to anybody else:grin:
If it didnt cause him heart-burn what exactly was he doing PM-ing her to change her sig? And why? I find it hard to believe that he had the noble intentions of preventing her from getting harassed by the others. So i checked with Apurv and i'm told that Sur had no such intention. As such, i fail to see why Sur sent out the PM.
IYou are looking at it as 1 person while we are looking at as a mob behaviour. Before Sur's PM went out there was quite a session on SB abt her having attitude wasnt there? Was that necessary?
Ip.s. I've got to post faster!!
For the final time...
Having said that, let me say some things once and for all and I hope you get them...
1. Surr's ban was not a mistake and it will not be revoked.
2. Your appetite for posting the same thing again and again without reading my posts properly does not mean I will post the same thing again and again.
3. This is my last post on this issue.
4. Cheers :D
You are absolutely correct my dear friend. Do you know if it really caused heart burn: Or, why cant you take it as an advice that people are ganging her with groans: You can take this in a positive manner also. Does Surr groan on any of her posts just becuase of the sig: Though he asked her to change the sig, it was his intention that the lady should not be targeted. She has achieved something which is next to impossible. We all as PGITES should be proud of her. Coz she is a part of our community. Some people targeted her with some clone. Does it attack her personal integrity or, a message asking her to change her sig just to avoid her from recieving 'N' number of groans does it: Did the lady complain about surr: C'mon guys, you've done a mistake. And it is unfair if only Surr gets a punishment.
Even i have the same concern:(. Why did the mods stop responding to this thread: Are you people feeling pressurised coz we are supporting SURR: Or , are you silently accepting your mistake by not ersponding: Yar, a mistake has happned and the victim has got more than what he actually deserves. please revoke the ban. Please donot add insult to the injury. We always have repect for mods. And even some of the mods know this fact: I donno why this message is not reaching the people??:
Please donot delay until the due date of Surrs ban occurs
For the final time...
- Stop beating around the bush and answer my question. Dint you make any mistake by unnecessarily banning surr:
Well, for the simple reason that we can't repeat the same thing again and again. If you have chosen to remain stuck at not seeing the bigger picture, our repeating for the umpteenth time won't help.
I believe the creator of the clone (with such an id) definitely deserves punishment worse than just banning for a day. Doesn't he deserve a longer ban, esp. when the others did?
PS : I don't know who the creator of that id is. It doesn't matter.
gantis SaysEven i have the same concern:(. Why did the mods stop responding to this thread:
My concerns :(
- sur definitely crossed the line. I am sure he would be repenting for his deeds. But, my concern is still unanswered. How would admin/MODs justify the degree of punishment given to him? :(
- I know it is up to the discretion of the particular MOD to decide the amount/degree of punishment one should receive. However, I believe that one should take the complete picture and then only decide about the degree/level of punishment. In this case, it wasn't and I feel sorry for sur that he should be banned for two weeks which is unfair
So should the particular user bear the brunt because of admin/MOD?
I was in PGHQ on Saturday and talked with Apurv about this. I also talked to Apurv when this broke. The problem is that we at PG expect you to be a mature and sensible individual. After all, you are seeking a Post-Graduate degree. As old timers, we've come to expect certain levels of maturity and decency from members. Creating a clone in itself is bad ( but just so you know, one person lost the chance to become a Mod for this very reason) but just to PM another member to change her sig is a completely different matter. It escalates the seriousness of the matter. It troubles us Oldies that stuff like is happening on PG, stuff which is probably expected from teenages who dont know better. I am going to repeat the same thing ad nauseum-- This kind of behaviour is simply not acceptable. We expect better from you.
It definitely is a chance for you to improve yourselves but what does this have to do with revoking the ban? Sur crossed the line when he PM'd her to change this sig. Next year, are we to disallow members from sharing something they've worked hard to achieve?
p.s. Please dont ask who it was who lost the chance. I'm giving my answer right here "No Comment"
Neo2000 SaysPM-ing a member is definitely NOT a sin. But asking her to change her sig because it causes you heart-burn? Is that fair to the member? Why shouldnt she be proud of what she has achieved?? Combined with the fact that her posts were always being groaned at, one would get the feeling she has been rather unfairly ganged upon no? Is that we do at forums? Gang up on others because they've done well and we havent??
I liked your post. Does PMing a member a sin: I donot feel so. The point behind this conversation is
Awaiting your next post,
- Did he(Surr) use any abusive or sexy languange which targeted her personal integrity:
- Does his message carry a text which harassed her:
- I think banning a person or taking any action on an individual should be done if any of above highlighed criteria are achieved:|
- So, please take an action which does justice and makes some sense.
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