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ushnota
Ushnota Paul @ushnota
[image] PaGaLGuY caught up with Common Admissions Test (CAT) 2011 topper Shashank Prabhu for an exclusive chat. Shashank, who is currently pursuing his MBA from the Faculty of Management Studies (FMS), University of Delhi, had worked with PaGaLGuY in its editorial team for a year befor...
Silver_lining
@Silver_lining

Med school_JBIMS_FMS_IIMA_Harvard_......... ??? when did addiction to exams transform to ego massage......... n am not even going how precious little med, mba seats r left in the dump by doc n similar 'enlightened' souls.....

laj
Lajwanti D'Souza @laj
[image] _Many doctors are pursuing a management degree to get into healthcare management. (*Photo: *Truthout.org's photostream)_ Shashank Prabhu, a doctor by profession, made headlines last week by cracking the Common Admission Test (CAT) and that too with a 100 percentile score. One q...
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@Silver_lining

I am now in my second year.......... in a good B-school.... and sadly no 'doc' applies or goes for healthcare management..... it's all a facade at the end of the day

first of all...............

we should know our RAW SCORES.............as CAT is conducted by IIMs............they have to all data if we ask.........

go for RTI..............ask ur attempted QS...............and Corrected QS...........

by this we can compare our score before so called Normalization and after that................and It can give a clear pic before us..........what next step should be...........


We had tried this before in CAT2009
IIMs staple reply is that raw scores are with Prometric
and Prometric being a foreign company is not liable to disclose that information irrespective of the number of RTIs filed
http://www.pagalguy.com/discussions/cat2009-results-is-it-injustice-25050804
the concerned people might get a few pointers from this link
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http://www.pagalguy.com/discussions/cat2009-results-is-it-injustice-25050804
the above link is from last year's protests
The concerned people might get some pointers from the same

Hi all
My full sympathies with all those who have been wronged by CAT 2010
A year ago I was in the same boat as many of u are in today. I along with fellow puys from across the country tried our best to get some answers from the IIMs through legal channels. We even sought the legal route and eventually our case was dismissed because of the loss of time. The esteemed judge felt that we had been tooo late in registering our complaints.
So hurry up in case u want to get the right results

the folllowing is an excerpt of the letter we used for making our voice heard:

I have a few queries regarding the CAT 2009 process:
1. I feel I had an easier QA on my day. But this implies (according to some famed Psychometric and Normalisation processes) that my marks (percentile) would be scaled down. And this in turn implies that even before I sat for the test, the maximum percentile I could hope for in QA was a 98 or 98.5 percentile at most. SO MUCH FOR THE level playing field theory.

2.In all their correspondence, the IIMs have categorically stated
"Unlike testing on a single day (as CAT was in the past), whenever multiple day testing is undertaken, a large number of questions have to be developed with the same level of difficulty. This requires a different technology for generation of tests and establishing their equivalence. All the tests over this 11 day period were dissimilar while asking questions that test similar concepts. However, by design, the test included a few questions that were common in at most two tests. This is a standard practice followed by all tests that are offered over multiple days (including GRE, GMAT, TOEFL etc) to develop equivalence in terms of difficulty between two tests."
My understanding from this press release is that the all the papers are supposed to be of the same level. THEN WHY THE NORMALISATION?
According to the DISCLAIMER released on 28th Feb by the IIMs
"The scores reported are the scaled scores arrived at by establishing psychometric equivalences to adjust for any variation in difficulty levels across the tests."
An apt eg of the contradiction in the process.

3. From various previous posts on exam days I gather that the difficulty levels across sections was varied on different days. For eg. Day 1 VA difficult while on day 2 QA difficult.
A possible flaw is the LUCK FACTOR. And hence the dubbing of this year as a LOTTERY at best (this is not to undiminish the achvmnts of some great scorers, just a complain at best)
If person A who is really good in QA and QA on his day was difficult (as per IIMs), this means he can score bucketful of marks in QA because he happened to be at the right place in the right slot!
Similarly, many cases might be thought of to highlight the fact that CAT this year had a more than necessary weight put on the LUCK factor!
And this is again against the famed LEVEL PLAYING FIELD THEORY

4. IIM A was the conducting authority this year round. Only they (with due respecty to IIM S) released their interview list. I believe it is more of a prestige or ego issue with Mr Satish Deodhar and his fellow IIM A conducting authorities.
Even during the fiasco-days, there were reports that other IIMs (IIM Calcutta leading the protests) were averse to take into account CBT CAT due to the various anomalies involved. There is quite a chance that these IIMs are playing a waiting game and trying their best to ascertain the public response to the results.
So kindly chip in with more issues that have been plaguing your minds!

5. how do the IIMs decide that a particular section on a particular day was difficult. It is something that is riddled with a barrage of subjectivities. For eg. if on a particular day, the relative percentage of serious candidiates is high (which is definitely unknown to the IIMs), there is quite a chance that their high scores would be interpreted by the authorities as an EASY PAPER on that day! As a result, many of the deserving folks would suffer on account of some lax accounting standards.

6. There were quite a bit of students who had to re-appear for the CAT exam on Jan30th and 31st. They were notified on the same a month in advance. The IIMs publicly claim that on these 2 days the papers were going to be of the same difficulty as was the difficulty level in the original phase. Doesn't it imply that these select students get an unfair advantage after knowing the difficulty level beforehand.
As a very serious MBA aspirant, I can say it without a shadow of a doubt that for any serious aspirant knowing the difficulty level on a prior basis is a massive advantage as it helps one to fine tune and zero in on a particular strategy.

7. It is now being observed that IIMs and Prometric are defending their precarious position by stating that their marking scheme is in sync with the GRE GMAT patterns.
This is a blatant case of copying foreign methods without appropriate preparation to implement it in a different setting.
GRE GMAT are Computer adaptive tests and CAT 2009 was a Computer Based Test. To anyone who knows the difference between these two highlighted words, the Psychometric evaluation can't be used for CAT 2009.

8. The IIMs had categorically stated that CAT 2009 differs from its previous editions only on the basis of the computer interface.
Now, they have introduced marking schemes which allott more marks to a difficult question attempted. This is against the very essence of CAT till now - find out as many easy doable questions and do them in the stipulated time.
In the absence of the appropriate information regarding the changes in the examination and evaluation pattern, many serious candidiates are now in a state of shock and disbelief. At the same time many high scoring candidiates have expressed their surprise on the high scores.

9. Also, there is quite a bit of chance that delaying the results so late has much more to do with the fact that the IIMs knew that they would be flooded with complaints, RTIs, PILs etc. It was only on the pressure generated by other Management institutes (that take CAT scores), that the IIMs were forced to release the results on 28th of Feb.

10. It has been found out through various forums and various people who sat for the exams on different days that the level of difficulty was varied across sections on different days. For eg if on Day 1 English was difficult, on Day 2 Maths was difficult. In such a scenario how can the IIMs and Prometric compare English and Maths difficulty levels and then assign marks accordingly.

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Yes, surely we will attempt to do that.
Right now, as we have to make a file of the petitioners, their issues, proofs/supporting materials etc we are facing huge time and workforce crunch. As we see you guys were already working on some of these issues, can someone please help us with that.
Also, i am new to PG. I have no idea on how you guys get a list made here. Can an experienced PG fellow help us make a list of 150 candidates who would like to be a part of the petition. Please let us know asap. We have time only till tomorrow to do everything.


@Sowmya, Abhishek, Sandesh, Sachin et al
We have the info tht Raj requires in the right format
Kindly some1 send him the same
his initiative should receive our max backing given the info he has provided off late
Also, thr is no harm in getting an extra (and probably a strong) hand in our joint effort
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Prometric releases details of evaluation process | PaGaLGuY.com - India's biggest website for MBA in India, International MBA, CAT, XAT, SNAP, MAT


a play with words.. md of prometric


Theres nothing new in the press release
just POSTURING!!!

Mr Soumitra Roy may say he is pleased with the performance of Prometric but fact is that IIMs themselves have publicly declared that they are in the process of scrapping PROMETRIC's contract!!!!
(as per HT report 3-4 days back)
HI all,

u can check the current status of PIL filed by harshsa at the following link.

High Court of Karnataka

Plz specify 1)Principal Bench at Bangalore in the SELECT BENCH COLUMN.
2)WP(Writ Petition) in the extremeleft column.
3)39 in the case no column.
4)Case year is 2010.

Thanks



I hope that we have the "mountain of evidence" (which many of the puys have diligently uncovered) at the ready disposal of Harsha in Bangalore?
coz going by what we have, the case is a real strong one

BEST wISHES
:-)

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