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CAT 2009 will extend beyond Dec 8, Prometric claims results safe from virus

So it seems like December 8 will not be the concluding day of the CAT 2009 after all. According to an IIM Ahmedabad press statement, “There are still some candidates who could not take the test due to genuine reasons and test has not been rescheduled for them. A new test date will be announced in about a fortnight to provide an opportunity to ALL such candidates to write the test. Prometric would inform all such candidates about the date and the venue for the test.”

At a press conference at IIM Ahmedabad today, Director Prof Samir Barua said that while 1.85 lakh candidates had taken the exam till Dec 6, another 30,000 took the test today (Dec 7) and about 15,000 to 20,000 will take the test on Dec 8.

Explaining the causes for the failure of the exam at some testing labs over the weekend, Prof Barua said that some individual labs in Lucknow and Hyderabad had failed to send the test data back to the central servers. “The central server is a cluster of 30 to 40 computers that monitor logs for east test across India,” he explained.

Meanwhile, hammered by rising doubts over the integrity of CAT 2009 in the wake of the virus attack on the first two days of the test, Prometric posted a note on the www.catiim.in website claiming that the result files of CAT 2009 were safe. Quoting the note verbatim below:

“Candidates at various locations experienced different technical difficulties that were related to the viruses. Prometric is currently reviewing the experiences of all the candidates that might have been impacted by computer viruses and/or other sources of potential disruption. One of the key advantages of computer-based delivery is the ability to electronically record a candidate’s exam and identify issues that might affect an individual’s performance. That assessment is already underway and with the consent of the IIMs, Prometric will be offering a new test to the candidates who were impacted in this way.

The vast majority of virus programs are written to work with or corrupt commonly available file formats, such as executable files, and exploit functionality in commonly available applications such as e-mail programs, internet browsers, and operating systems. The proprietary result files used by Prometric fall outside the scope of what a typical virus is capable of attacking, thereby vastly reducing the risk of exposure to these viruses.

The result files produced during an exam are encrypted prior to being written to disk. This procedure enhances the security of the content and provides a degree of protection from virus infection and/or destruction. Any such tampering with the files would be detected when the test results are imported into the data processing system and subsequent item analysis.

To date, Prometric’s ongoing event reconciliation processes have verified that no results have been deleted or modified by a virus attack. The majority of sites and candidates have tested without incident and their performance indicates that most candidates had a valid and fair experience.”

(With inputs from rajaramvarun in Ahmedabad)

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rocksta12
#1 December 07, 2009, 7:40 pm

11+ days

seashock
#2 December 07, 2009, 7:43 pm

Damn shame….they should have given it to an Indian firm…

Aniruddha Mukherjee
#3 December 07, 2009, 7:43 pm

Implies dat there won’t be any retest read it paper pencil test !!!

dhoom_guy1
#4 December 07, 2009, 7:57 pm

ha ha ha

romanify
#5 December 07, 2009, 8:03 pm

disgusting man,how those people will keep up with their reputation?

Sashank
#6 December 07, 2009, 8:13 pm

CAT has lot the plot completely…not a single aspect of it was fair,right from the test taking environment to the levels of difficulty across different slots to the marking system….shame on the IIMS for bungling up the job

Ajay
#7 December 07, 2009, 8:23 pm

This is a joke, right? Here is what they say

**************
The majority of sites and candidates have tested without incident and their performance indicates that most candidates had a valid and fair experience.”
**************

The IIM director’s should first open a dictionary and understand clearly what a “fair” experience means. Then, they might also want to study what constitutes a “minority” because its obvious they are clueless about either.

1) They repeat the questions between test slots
2) Quite a lot of people see all those questions, or get the pattern of the same; and give an exam 20 days late.
3) Top top it all, the convener comes on TV and says that the exams are of equal difficulty which they obviously aren’t based on the numerous experiences of people who have given them. (Thanks to them, some have had a chance to give the exam twice, so the comparison is beyond doubt)

Then they put up a story about viruses in the system. The viruses they have named are in existence for a long time.
http://www.ca.com/securityadvisor/virusinfo/virus.aspx?id=10365
http://www.ca.com/securityadvisor/pest/pest.aspx?id=453148376
(the exact variant they have not given, conveniently missing the detail)

Any decent antivirus software could have found the viruses. So either
1) They are lying
2) They are speaking the truth in which case they hardly know the ABC of computers or internet. What else one can say about the guys who connected a network and installed their software without even scanning the system first?

How many people make it to an IIM anyway? They are a select minority. When 20,000+ people get impacted in a test and many others due to secondary disturbances, there is nothing fair about the whole system.

Only thing fair now would be
1) A paper pen retest(which i am sure is not happening as it will dent their ego)
2) Do a retest for everyone minus the flaws that they have found out by now courtesy the guinea pigs(Us!!).(I am sure they can’t do this also, as getting college labs for another 10 days is out of the question)

Conclusion.
Sorry students. Just accept the things as they are. Fair or not fair, we have shown that we are a courageous bunch. You guys on the other hand are whiners. Please go and prepare for other exams cos no matter what happens, we will fill up our seats. And knowing you all, things will be forgotten within a year. Let us get back to worrying about the serious problem of how this fiasco impact our international B-School rankings. An urgent meeting for that is due.

*Better put a press release that the meeting will review the CAT exam. That will pacify the students till they get busy with other exams.

harishliverpool
#8 December 07, 2009, 8:23 pm

this is total injustice also to people like me whose exams have been delayed by 2-3 hrs. if a major exam is delayed even by 5-10 mins you tend to lose your mental frame of mind and the exam goes for a toss

Ramya Rao
#9 December 07, 2009, 8:24 pm

fine about the results but what about the test being soo unfair to many people got!!!!!!!!!!

ChAK_de_fatte
#10 December 07, 2009, 8:30 pm

in one line— mazaak bna diya humaare future ka :-X

pauper
#11 December 07, 2009, 8:31 pm

IIM’s seem to be hell bent on proving that the only problem with CAT is that not all students could write the exam. What about a host of other factors like questions being repeated across the slots and those from previous years’ actual CAT papers? Is anyone even acknowledging it?

aviator1
#12 December 07, 2009, 8:31 pm

waah bai waah…maza aa gaya….aisa live comedy show to shayad hi kissi ne kiya ho….and to be honest I am a big fan of the iron will of IIMs now…hamein jo karna hai wohi karenge….duniya ka kya hai…every great step always faces stiff opposition…after all they are out to make history…

ravibabu27
#13 December 07, 2009, 8:35 pm

Its all hogwash…for the sake of the integrity ,IIMs must conduct a paper and pencil test this time…and continue with the comp format next year onwards.

joke
#14 December 07, 2009, 8:36 pm

This is ridiculous! IIMs have lost all their credibility.. No wonder stuff like the recent financial meltdown happen due to the greed and callousness of finance MBAs. There is no ethics involved with either the faculty or the students!! Shame Shame!

vasav4u
#15 December 07, 2009, 8:38 pm

When would the IIMs realize that it is not just about them. Almost 50+ institutes take their scores and it is shameful that IIMs are literally playing with the future of almost 2lakh aspirants. I dont think anyone would be satisfied with the credibility of the results that we will be getting on 22nd Jan. Hope some one makes them realize that its not about their pride of conducting an online exam, its the deciding factor for over 2lakh students and their one full year…

Sanahho
#16 December 07, 2009, 8:53 pm

Abhi jitne bhi REALITY SHOWS tv pe aarahei hein,sab se majedar realit show y show to IIM- CAT – Prometric kaa hei….ha ha ha…ultimate.

theneohippie
#17 December 07, 2009, 8:59 pm

Some viruses write random data on the hard disk sectors and can literally corrupt any file type. I don’t think some viruses are “so nice” that they look at a file format and then decide to corrupt it. But, what would non technical people know about such things ? They are busy teaching their students about looting others money and then shamefully waiting for a bailout!!

ankitg557
#18 December 07, 2009, 9:00 pm

abhi tak schedule or reschedule ho chuka hei but i have not given my test . it is not cat test . it’s time pass for prometrice . he play with us

HungryForIIMS
#19 December 07, 2009, 9:01 pm

I think if Mahesh Bhatt came to know about this issue, by next year we will get a new movie for CAT aspirants. Movie title “Virus”

justimagine
#20 December 07, 2009, 9:02 pm

No one can do anything lol. Now i am preparing for Xat. And guys next time before filling up the form of Cat think twice if the story is the same

mohima
#21 December 07, 2009, 9:05 pm

allright.. i waited for 5 frikkin hours for my test to start..! and thr was no drinking water or bathroom facilities either. by the time my test started i was totally exhausted, thirsty and hungry.. and bcoz of the anxiety i lost my entire concentration, will power and zest!
and throughout the test the UPS kept beeping or the invigilator kept shouting..! i feel so betrayed man.. someone plz telme.. do i have a chance for a re-scheduled test or something ???????????? plzzzzzzzzzzzzz help.. :(

my_way
#22 December 07, 2009, 9:06 pm

@theneohippie bang on.
They want us to believe that the virus is going to see the file, find its good friend prometric’s data file, let me not touch this. lol

But you have to admire their guts. How do they even expect anyone to trust their word? Prometric would be the last company to admit any data corruption. Look at what is happening with the email garage sale they did..

In this case they just know no one will ever find out what has happened.

prem.prakash
#23 December 07, 2009, 9:09 pm

Is there anything we can do to make IIMs realize their mistake. Venting our anger and frustration on websites, filing online petition is not working it seems…

amrevkeviv
#24 December 07, 2009, 9:10 pm

it indicates fr sure dat IIM still hvnt cnsidered pen paper retest even as an option…farthest they can go is to make Prometric d scapegoat…n they r moving in d direction… ;)

Arun
#25 December 07, 2009, 9:10 pm

the IIMs’ fall from grace is nearing its completion…non-iim institutes accepting CAT score…will soon start accepting other exam scores…that will be a befitting slap to the IIMs…

amrevkeviv
#26 December 07, 2009, 9:16 pm

@my_way: wot they r saying is viruses r specifically designed to attack or say, effect or damage executable files (.*exe)..not d data files like .*doc documents…wich is d format in wich our answer keys r stored…
bt wot they r misng is there r a lot of .exe files wrking in d process of storing our answer keys..lyk encryption n all…
wot they r banking on is dat most of d janta might accept d xplaination out of sheer stupidity..huh!

sjsam
#27 December 07, 2009, 9:20 pm

It has been said that there have been minimal technical glitches. Even if we accept that the people who faced a glitch first hand are few in number, but the disturbance that arose due to a 15-20 minute delay of a computer caused to the other persons giving the test goes unnoticed. In a big test like the CAT where even a minute makes a difference, if the person sitting adjacent to the effected candidate has a lapse in concentration (with the close seating arrangement there is a lot of pushing and shoving of adjacent seats to accommodate the proctor), will that be considered a part of uniform environment for all that the IIMs proudly claim.

mohima
#28 December 07, 2009, 9:23 pm

WHAT ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAD TO WAIT FOR 5-6 HOURS BEFORE GIVING THE TEST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WILL THEY BE ALLOWED FOR A RE-SCHEDULE TEST ??????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

balash
#29 December 07, 2009, 9:30 pm

IIM officials should be stupid o continue t shhisow. I have no other words to describe them

gudakesh
#30 December 07, 2009, 10:00 pm

we r scapegoats nd the IIMs will do watever they desire to !! how can they be totally oblivious to the fact tat the difficulty levels r varying drastically across the slots !! wat an xam !! no one knows of the marking schemes , ppl. go into the xam hall knowing quite a few questions [even their answers] beforehand . why isnt the govn. intervening ? it wuld be my wish to see the IIMs crashing out of the top 100 mba institutes worldwide [as it is they rnt even in top 50s]

TheParadox
#31 December 07, 2009, 10:01 pm

What people learn from history is that we don’t learn from history. IIMs were the best for the meritorious and smartest, now have dug their own graves. DSE was the best college for economics across Asia and just see what is its state today. The best need not remain the best. Arrogance and pride will go for a fall. When foreign institutes will come here, IIMs will also be put to their place. ISB started just 10 years ago. Today it comes among the top 20 in the world. IIM are just good enough for top 10 rankings in India. When was the last time an IIM professor published a major theory for business, won a nobel prize for economics or at the least published a book which is used as a text book in management schools across the world “Similar to Kotler, Drucker etc” As a passing thought, how will they ask questions on Ethics in GD/PI when they have shockingly displayed a lack of the same??

Animesh Kumar
#32 December 07, 2009, 10:10 pm

Man! Is it a joke or something?

raghavbadiger
#33 December 07, 2009, 10:17 pm

“I”I”M”s are just showing too much of “I” here. They haven’t yet made any statement on the retest.If they want to make a decision on this against the interest of students, they are doing no good to their own institute. It just makes them look so low. Isn’t it..?

netfundu
#34 December 07, 2009, 10:23 pm

DISGUSTING!!
PROMETRIC GO AWAY ….WE DON’T NEED YOUR SERVICE…
IIM’s DO U HAVE EVEN A LILL AMOUNT OF COMMON SENSE??

netfundu
#35 December 07, 2009, 10:27 pm

by the time those “few” students would be rescheduled they would have all the questions,analysis about CAT…what an Examination this has been…..In my centre 5 guys equally distributed the sctions of the paper and solved it…they are surely going to get more than 99.5+…so for all the guys who worked hard for CAT…like me IIM says :balls to you as well!!
sorry mods…dont ban me for this…just a bit upset with all this..

varsha
#36 December 07, 2009, 10:28 pm

IIM directors shd be ashamed of their reluctant & irresponsible behavior.
how can they teach management n flexibility in decision as per the demand of the situation if they are ignoring the “obvious mishappenings” by thmselves.
God help them as they are about to ruin the reputation which has been created by years n years of hard work done both by the students and the faculty members …..

Ravi
#37 December 07, 2009, 10:29 pm

I hav feelin tat this matter wont die with time nd IIMs wont b able to brush it under d carpet coz wen d results r out ppl will b filing cases in the courts nd it wont b surprising if d entire admission process is delayed…D entire thng wudnt hav been such a slap in d face if IIMs had d decency to accept their failure…

TheParadox
#38 December 07, 2009, 10:31 pm

The only silver lining which I can see is that all this has reduced my burning desire to be an IIM graduate.

kaarun
#39 December 07, 2009, 10:32 pm

Director Prof Samir Barua said that about 15,000 to 20,000 will take the test on Dec 8.

THAT MEANS that, as on Dec 7, they dont even have an exact count of people going to take the test on Dec 8!!!

prateek29
#40 December 07, 2009, 10:54 pm

they obviously wont have a count coz around 100 test takers in my lab got their paper cancelled today itself.. the prometric guys are not able to book a test for me tomorrow which effectively means that i in any case, will not be able to take the test till 8th of dec. if prometric dosent have an answer to this, i wonder who will.

rinkupgr
#41 December 08, 2009, 12:02 am

“The majority of sites and candidates have tested without incident and their performance indicates that ‘MOST’ candidates had a valid and fair experience.”

Perhaps the prometric guys don’t know that most of the CAT takers dont make it to the IIMs, only a few do.

Sudhanshu S
#42 December 08, 2009, 12:03 am

“Prometric” I know your truth. One of your former employ, employed at Hyderabad is currently in my team. I joined office today after the cat exam and he revealed all your truths. You people are very less skilled, Don’t have any capability to conduct such a big exam at least in india. Tell me the truth, whether you people have ever-ever tested more than 30 systems at a time. At 30 (max) also you have lots of issues related to load.
Tell me if i am untruthful anywhere.
So don’t start a different story related to virus. Don’t play safe and give answer like politicians.

rahulsaroha
#43 December 08, 2009, 12:05 am

hey guys i’m telling u all these IIM’s professors are loosers.
it’s just the quality of students(and that through the toughest exam in the world) who are just maintaining the creaky walls of IIM’s
i bet u if these IIM’s had given the exam work to even 4 of their students it would have been the best exam ever conducted in the world..
IIM’s professors are just loosers..who had not just thought of reviewing the environment (prometric software) and ask these U.S. people once that why they have provided that “Quit Test”and “End review” buttons on the screen..

rinkupgr
#44 December 08, 2009, 12:06 am

I am damn sure that even after CAT finishes on 8th there will be someone somewhere who couldn’t give cat or don’t have his answers available with prometric.

Any one there to bet me on this?????????

isaiah123
#45 December 08, 2009, 12:14 am

its shameful on the part of IIM’s to even think that they have a brand name. atleast by now they need to realize that the value that was accorded to them was only due to people competing to get in(as they didnt know how worst managers from IIM are) and not due to the worst management brains they have.

the way they chose prometric itself determines that they wanted to leave responsibility on some company which was already conducting such kind of exams, so that they can hide off their shame and avoid others from knowing that IIM guys dont have any knowledge abt computers.

mine is the worst experience ever, i was not allowed to take the test either , as i was told that every drivers license need to have a hologram or else it wouldnt be taken for original.

IIM’s SHAME ON YOUR PART. THE BEST THING YOU GUYS CAN DO IS TAKE THE PRINTOUTS OF ALL THE COMPLAINTS AND THROW AWAY YOUR LAPTOPS AND INSTEAD FILL UP YOUR BAGS WITH ALL THESE PRINTOUTS. IF U CARRY A LAPTOP, THE VALUE OF THE LAPTOP WOULD BE REDUCED.

******* IIMS KEEP IT UP ******* there can be no better praise.

isaiah123
#46 December 08, 2009, 12:28 am

Samir Barua, director of IIM-A says “we are working very hard to fix all the problems” . donno if these people know the meaning of working hard. You IIM guys keep working hard, there are lots of jobs waiting outside where you can work hard. better all of you join a construction company and start learning to align the bricks atleast, that can be the best hard work you can get.

Dr.Akshar
#47 December 08, 2009, 12:33 am

Madhur bhandarkar,a veteran director who is
well-known for his movies on grim social issues,has decided to make a
movie named ” FELINE FIASCO” based on CAT 2009. -
reported by Akshar Godhani , KDTV news, India

uks_82
#48 December 08, 2009, 7:26 am

Happenings so far @ CAT2009 gives me enough reasons not to buy this version of PROMETRIC claim “RESULT safe from VIRUS”… after all isn’t they are the only one claiming that the culprit behind the current fiasco is viruses and malwares?? lot of things can done with any encrypted files and incidences so far can only make one believe that it’s much easier in this case.
it’s like giving assurances without any concrete basis!

today
#49 December 08, 2009, 8:05 am

guys we will have to take them to court …. CL has put a notice on its website that it cannot file a petition as it is not the affected party … so its us who will need to file the petition …. they are shamelessly turning a deaf ear to the whole mess … i dont think they are egoistic i think they (IIM’s) are plain shameless. But as some one rightly said who the f cares … its india … people will whine for 2 – 3 months and then forget …. damn u IIM’s u r getting cursed by thousands even right now …. damn u … u freaks

suyash007
#50 December 08, 2009, 9:38 am
ZeeshanH
#51 December 08, 2009, 10:40 am

A very ethical virus, doesn’t corrupt the results!

manjushaa
#52 December 08, 2009, 11:44 am

the last batch in IIMs that i would respect would be ones currently doing their first year

khanjan
#53 December 08, 2009, 12:13 pm

I was respecting IIMs but I have lost that now.. IIM is also one of the “Chilachalu” college whose Profs don’t know any thing.. Its high quality students who are the winner and who are maintaining the BRAND of IIMs.. otherwise these profs can do nothing on their selves..

rakish1
#54 December 08, 2009, 1:23 pm

Prometric says ‘virus’ was the reason for crash. Clearly they don’t know what they are saying. Same virus on many systems across country?
Case 1: All the computers NOT connected to same network.
Is it just co-incidence that all the centres n all the systems are infected by same virus? Damn you’re lying!! Just blame it on virus!
Case 2: All the computers connected to same network.
- So I understand that virus propogated to some systems via the network:
why not all systems? Are some systems loaded with antivirus and some not? This means you like some aspirants and hate others!!
- Its very clear that prometric did not ‘TEST’ their software. To my surprise IIMs did not emphasize on it?
- Don’t tell me that virus can effect only your software and not the result files!! And restrict details like ‘encryption of result files’ to the presentation slides you use to market your product to IIM bosses.. Most of the guys reading your explanations know the technologies, probably better than what your explanation sounds. What if the encrypted file is damaged? Some of it bytes are just tampered/deleted/junked by the virus?? Gone that result file is gone!! you cant decrypt it anymore..!!

mousie
#55 December 08, 2009, 3:15 pm

Many students pressed the Review End button and got the exam stopped.
In the tutorials it is saying about all Dos.
These prometric could have stated the DONTs also…
It would have saved many students exams….

Niranjan
#56 December 08, 2009, 4:25 pm

If this does have the ‘other’ meaning like i think it has,

I won’t go and do another ONLINE TEST if my scores are missing. They are admitting that they need a week or weeks to analyse the data.And according to Barua, he is expecting not many students to show up in the radar, We will have to wait and see about that matter.

Also, Is there a computer that’s intelligent enough to detect the human methods of cheating?….

There’s no way a computer can compare how the human’s perspective looks like, even if it does, it will be a partiality based approach,based on its designer!.

What the heck!.

What was the need for online test?.

For spending so many millions from the funds?. Wasn’t paper based test more easier for us and IIM’s to manage properly,both economically and management wise.
consider this example ,I took the test on 2nd day, according to some [ and even i admit],the test was easier than any other CAT exam. But that should mean tht we will have to face a 60qns correct guy based upon whom my marks will be graded upon ,relatively.
In another case, some would say that the questions were leaked in the later days, so much to the extent that many serious aspirants with ‘friends’ managed to save more minutes than other poor guys, hence there also relative grading is not going to work out!.

A camera @ the top / The audio recorded / the timing of answering questions etc..can’t calculate any of these dimensions , but they do affect the scores in large.

But Hey, what am i talking about, I’m sitting here talking about a 1400Rs lottery i managed to take.

abc040386
#57 December 09, 2009, 7:35 am
abc040386
#58 December 09, 2009, 7:36 am

please refer to page 18 in the e paper link given above

johnpeters
#59 December 09, 2009, 5:53 pm

how could a certain virus affect different computers in different cities? that too when their networks are independent! does Prometric and/IIMs really want us educated candidates to believe all this? and hey! how is it that the same virus will leave the result-related files? crazy stuff. wonder why they didnt deem necessary to atleast ‘test’ their test!!!

smartgurl
#60 December 09, 2009, 5:57 pm

Blaming it on the virus is such a convenient resort..only if they had better organized and ‘tested’ the test, it would have been such a bliss to us candidates who have spent months preparing for the test…I heard even the HRD minister is now wanting IIMs to consider a re-test..have u guys seen the article in today’s TOI?

dimplepie
#61 December 09, 2009, 6:09 pm

Hey, I did read abt it…I think the IIM officials had a meeting regarding the entire fiasco…I think a better organzd test is their own way of saving face.

CAT has become a joke now…so many b-schools take this score, not just IIMs. so much energy n funds seem to have gone waste just becoz prometric did a disappointing job at managing the test..

Tiger3
#63 December 10, 2009, 3:14 pm

IIMs and CAT are no more prestigious. So people stop worrying about CAT’09 and go ahead with the preparation for really competitive examinations like XAT, FMS, MAT… It is better to be in institutes like XLRI, SP Jain…

Naina Dubey
#64 December 15, 2009, 12:07 am

okay!!..please tell me when in lord’s name are they going to declare the new test date??..coz ive still not giving the frikkin’ exam!!!!!

Shantanu Sahay
#65 February 26, 2010, 12:35 am

IS THIS REALLY A MANAGEMENT INSTITUTE???
shame ON IT!

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