Answer the PaGaLGuY B-school Rankings 2009-10 survey

Announcing the opening of the PaGaLGuY B-school Rankings 2009-10 survey of What India thinks about Indian b-schools.

Over the last two years, these Rankings of India’s Most Preferred b-schools have taken center-stage as the most credible and referenced Rankings among those looking to join an MBA program in India, or recruit from a business school. With a sample size of nearly 5,500 respondents in each of its previous editions, the PaGaLGuY B-school Rankings are also the most data-intensive B-school Rankings in India.

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Click here to view the methodology of the Rankings

Salient features of Rankings 2009-10:

180+ b-schools: We have always said that we will slowly evolve these rankings over years. Now in the 3rd year, we are going to rank more than 180 Indian business schools (that’s up from 85 in 2008-09 and 76 in 2007-08 )
Reaching the lower regions of the pyramid: Not everyone aces a tough MBA entrance exam to get into one of the top b-schools. Our focus this year is therefore to help MBA aspirants who rely on the MAT, state CET, ATMA, etc exams for their MBA ticket. The focus of this year’s edition is solving the problem of ranking smaller b-schools in Delhi-NCR, Jaipur, Mumbai, Pune, Kolkata, Bangalore, Chennai and Hyderabad regions. The relevant question is – Which are the most preferred b-schools in each of these cities?
National and Regional rankings: Based on the last point, this year we shall have several rankings, namely: Most Preferred Nationally Known B-schools, and city-wise rankings of Most Preferred B-schools in Delhi-NCR, Jaipur, Mumbai, Pune, Kolkata, Bangalore, Chennai and Hyderabad. The b-schools in the national rankings are not the same as those in regional rankings. We have made the segregation based PaGaLGuY’s internal intelligence and data from previous years’ rankings. You may go through the complete list of schools in the fray for this year’s rankings.
Easier to answer: Answering the survey is now possible using one’s Gmail, Facebook and Yahoo! logins (long live OpenID!). This will help in increasing the reach of the survey to those who may not have a PaGaLGuY ID.

I invite you all to start answering the survey and discuss your experience here. This rankings will be stronger and more accurate as the number of people voting in it increases. So please ask all your friends, relatives who are MBA aspirants/students/alumni to take this survey!

However in this thread, we will not entertain posts based on why a certain b-school was not included in the rankings. If you feel a certain b-school should be in the list, please PM me and we will consider it strongly next year.

Before ending, an IMPORTANT NOTE to everyone, especially B-schools: You can answer the survey only once. Please do not try to answer the survey multiple times using different login systems, because we have ways to find such behaviour out. B-schools which try to play around with the system to strengthen their rankings will be publicly disqualified from the PaGaLGuY B-school Rankings without explanation. In the past, we have made B-schools punish erring students with compulsory social service, so pay heed!

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dhanapal eswaran	#1 December 03, 2009, 9:14 am 1st cooment
harisreez	#2 December 03, 2009, 9:20 am Dono of this year but lasst years ranking as a dud… With more no of people voting for a particular coll taking it higher in rankings, which may not be the fact..But m pretty sure this years ranking system would be lot better coz the PG team should have worked a lot on it Cheers to PG team again…
doodlums	#3 December 03, 2009, 11:02 am i have already taken the survey. one thing which i want to point out is,the survey asked a lot of questions about colleges near my hometown(pune). i hadnt heard about quite a few of these local colleges,and as such it becomes difficult to judge when the questions involves an “unknown” college. this type of ignorance about the local colleges is surely widespread (i talked to a few friends …even they didnt know those colleges)….so PG’s rating about these local (lower ranked) colleges might not be an accurate reflection of where aspirants want to go.
CATch_22	#4 December 03, 2009, 11:46 am its a ridicule to rank a B-school with the inputs of PGians. What you are trying to do is gauge the popularity of a college or in other words asking them if given a choice,what is the order of the college you wish to get in. I believe ranking should be based on a certain parameters such as faculty,infrastructure,residential facilities, location advantages,(did I miss plum placements??). May be a survey can be conducted among the B-school students/faculty to rate these parameters in their respective colleges. The purpose of a ranking is defeated.
Indigenius	#5 December 03, 2009, 12:00 pm I hadn’t heard of so many colleges in that survey! Hence some of the comparisons sounded like this to me “Which is better? Hariyali kawaab or Gotamaar daal?”!!
ani.rokz	#6 December 03, 2009, 12:55 pm I guess there should be an option saying “I don’t know”, because most of the people are not aware of half of the colleges mentioned here.By forcing us to choose b/w the two(which we have absolutely no idea), the ranking looses credibility.
optimism.inc	#7 December 03, 2009, 1:30 pm Its too early to vote for B-schools. We should wait for the admissions to end. Lets see if the IIMs can make better fools of themselves or if they retain their glamor by coming up with a brainstorm.
Apurv Pandit	#8 December 03, 2009, 1:44 pm Update: Please read the rankings methodology to understand why you got the survey that you did – http://www.pagalguy.com/pagalguy-b-school-rankings-the-methodology/
rohshan	#9 December 03, 2009, 3:41 pm GUYS DONT FORGET THE SYNBIOSIS FIASCO WHILE GIVING YOUR RANKINGS
flint	#10 December 03, 2009, 3:55 pm PG has a very wide network and very deep impact.Asking aspirants to vote for B-skulz is NEVER going to paint the CORRECT picture.
Apurv Pandit	#11 December 03, 2009, 4:13 pm @flint: correct picture of what? If you mean ‘Best’ b-schools, then not a single ranking has ever been able to do it. Even worldwide the BusinessWeek and Financial Times rankings are as disputes as the magazine rankings in India. If you mean the ‘Most Preferred’ B-schools, see last year’s Pagalguy rankings and decide for yourself – http://pagalguy.com/rankings/2009/welcome/rankings
RagingBull	#12 December 03, 2009, 5:01 pm Done with the survey . I like the methodology. Please, somehow, make more people participate this time and ensure it reaches the right target populace. I think there can be a category for recruiters too, although the ‘mba alumni’ would take care of tht to an extent. Great Thanks to all those involved
doodlums	#13 December 03, 2009, 8:37 pm @apurv but it would be better to have a “Can’t Say’ option. that way we dont have to choose between colleges about which we know nothing.
ping pong	#14 December 03, 2009, 8:51 pm there were as many as 10 b schools whose name I heard for the first time.. why are you guys going to such low level??
Allwin Agnel	#15 December 03, 2009, 9:00 pm @doodlums, may be the next edition will carry that option. As of now we are forcing people to make a choice and move on. We will get more adaptive as the ranking matures over the years
Allwin Agnel	#16 December 03, 2009, 9:07 pm @pingpong, please check the post – the ranking data collection if on both national and regional levels. When we ask certain set of questions based on the regional levels there is a chance you will hear of lesser known colleges. Please make a proper argument if you have anything to say. Our going ‘low’ err.. is just trying to capture information that may result in a better regional ranking. A lot of people want to know which colleges to go to beyond the regular suspects.
rohshan86	#17 December 03, 2009, 9:18 pm why are b schools that are very new or ones that are mushrooming like crazy near the NCR region and some metros included here….i mean there are simply too many schools in this years rankings to give the student community something concrete…how many guys would pick a school thats ranked above 75 ???? i guess the rankings for tier 3 schools(schools that are at a lower level) will not benefit anyone.They are all the same when you come down to lower levels.thats why they are at those levels. Also whats the criteria based on which these tier 3 schools have been filtered ? I mean have i missed the criteria somewhere ???
Apurv Pandit	#18 December 03, 2009, 9:43 pm @rohshan – the top 100 b-schools only add up to some 10,000 seats. The total number of people who join b-school in India every year is over 2 lakh. So the top 100 b-school seats only add up to 5%. Arguing that a rankings for remaining 95% of the market will not help anyone isn’t quite accurate, IMHO. Rest assured, if you’re interested in the top b-schools, that part of the rankings will not be affected due to our scaling up.
haripi2	#19 December 04, 2009, 6:22 am hi allwyn, i liked the comparison when it came to popular b schools , but honestly for the lower rung about which we have not heard about, maybe an option like i dont know could have been given which would have split the points or weightage between both the schools. maybe we might have a tie among the bottom crop but i feel that might be more accurate rather than just entering some random answer. it does not really reflect the actual perception and leaves to chance. just on a inquisitive note , why are we limiting comparisons between two colleges, why not ask relative preference between a set of 3 or 4 colleges. i am just wondering
PixelDawn	#20 December 04, 2009, 7:23 am I keep getting an error on the registration page saying that my “Date of birth is invalid”.
deepu	#21 December 04, 2009, 10:59 am @PixelDawn – Can you please tell which date of birth you are entering ?
Bhaskaryya87	#22 December 04, 2009, 11:15 am @Apurv, it’s a cool idea to decide upon rankings based on students preference (and any day less ambiguous than the various rankings published by Business magazines) but I still have a few concerns. Namely, 1. While answering the survey, I clicked on IMI when asked to choose between IMI and IIT Mumbai. The reason being, I am ineligible for JMET. But IIT- Mumbai I am sure is a better college than IMI. 2. I chose MDI over IIM- Kozhikode. Only reason being that I’d prefer to be in college within the NCR area. And actually I’d go for MDI if I had the choice but then, that’s just me… Suggestion: For points 1 & 2, may be you could specify the parameters we need to keep in mind before voting for a certain college. A fresher may be even choose SCIT over ISB- Hyd simply because he can make it only to the former. 3. I understand that it’s a random survey but that also means that in most cases our preferred colleges wouldn’t show up in the poll we answer. So instead wouldn’t it have been better if we were given the entire list of colleges (50 most popular ones) and asked to rank according to our preference? 4. If you are trying to create a ranking for almost 180 B schools and ones that often take candidates through MAT, I doubt if it should be included in the same survey. Since I was asked to choose between IIM Indore and SCIT (and this time, I did choose IIM-I ), whenever a MAT level institute would be ranked up with an IIM or XLRI or MDI etc., that college would be unfairly pushed backwards. And when we would be asked to compare a MAT level institute with another MAT level institute (barring the obvious ones like Alliance, Christ, Amity etc.) We hardly have any information about the others to be able to click on one comfortably. I didn’t look for the ‘skip’ button while answering my survey, but I would have looked around for one if I had to compare, say, Jaipuria vs NDIM vs IILM vs BSB vs GSB etc. Because I honestly have no idea about these colleges…all I know about them are limited to the flashy prospectuses they keep posting every week ever since I appeared for September MAT. So basically, for the sake of reliable ranking itself, I would suggest separating the list of top 50 from the next 150 and creating a separate survey for them (and may be the survey result should not be used alone for reaching upon a ranking. Some separate research statistics should also be infused before publishing the final list). Just few observations / apprehensions from my side. Nevertheless, cool idea! Cheers!
Apurv Pandit	#23 December 04, 2009, 11:22 am @Bhaskaryya87 – the answer to your questions is just one: Vote selfishly. You do not have to be under any pressure to think in terms of certain parameters. How your personal preferences fit into the larger picture is our (actually the algorithm’s) job to do, so you be agnostic to it! And MAT b-schools are in a completely separate regional ranking. Your suggestion about separation is already there in he rankings. Read the methodology again!
Bhaskaryya87	#24 December 04, 2009, 11:23 am Oh, i just re-read that entire thing…. I guess I used the word ‘separate’ a tad too many times than I actually cared!
Bhaskaryya87	#25 December 04, 2009, 11:26 am @Apurv…Always been one. Heil, the FSM!
Bhaskaryya87	#26 December 04, 2009, 11:50 am NIT -trichy is there…sorry. Query valid for other 4.
Allwin Agnel	#27 December 04, 2009, 11:50 am @haripi – read my response to pingpong about it As for the no. of choices, people make better choices when presented between two options, not three or four. So we compare only two at a time
Ujjwal.deep	#28 December 04, 2009, 12:01 pm If a student is voting then not giving his institute’s name was deliberate on IIM Indore does not feature in the list? COz while taking the survey, I did not come across any comparison between IIM Indore and XYZ
Apurv Pandit	#29 December 04, 2009, 12:09 pm @Bhaskaryya87 – have replied to your PMs. Request you to read everything comprehensively!
Apurv Pandit	#30 December 04, 2009, 12:11 pm @Ujjwal.deep – IIM Indore is part of list. The survey is randomly generated, so it’s a question of chance.
pk73622	#31 December 04, 2009, 1:05 pm @Apurv Really good job with the PG Rankings 2009-10.Thank you. Just one concern, which was also brought in previous occasions, generally engineers only b-schools like IITs, NITIE have low awareness amongst non engineers and as a result end up getting ranks much lower in perception based rankings. So just wanted to know if you have tried to address this issue for this year’s ranking.
caterpilar	#32 December 04, 2009, 2:18 pm Please keep voting option always OPEN 24752 (with the check point that no single user can rank it twice in one ranking calendar) and run the ranking process(algorith) once every week / month to dynamically asses the changes developments if any in relative ranking. I am saying so since this will enlarge the voter base and hence the validity or may be the whole purpose of ranking, this will also allow the new users to vote who will join us after the closing dates. Just a thought.
rohshan86	#33 December 04, 2009, 7:21 pm @ Apruv …I am just being critical here because i love PG you can sure scale up the rankings and I know that they are the best rankings you can find in this country I am asking you guys what was the criteria for inclusion of these large number of new b schools coming up at all metros in your rankings ? Because it is really hard to differentiate between two schools that are unknown/new/lesser known for the junta who themselves study at these instis (same infra,faculty,location,etc) and in our case (normal junta) we have no clue whatsoever about these instis that are IMO exponentially expanding just to make money… take the example of the thousands of engg colleges in tamil nadu/andhra …the average bloke there will not bother if his engg. college is 60 or 100 in the rankings…all he wants is the ENGINEER TAG… I guess its the same with all these sprouting MBA instis too.. thats why i find all of them being included not of much help… Although i am not ruling out that there may be some good ones out there too..but their number in these rankings is simply too large IMHO. No offense to anyone whatsoever
Apurv Pandit	#34 December 04, 2009, 7:43 pm @rohshan: The criteria is that we have included practically every 2+ yrs AICTE approved institute in these cities. They might not be much help to YOU. YOU are not everyone, everyone doesn’t view the b-school landscape through your vision. There are enough people who worry about the differences between schools at that level, and their input is what we’re looking at to shape the rankings at that level. And nobody’s taking any offence here or objecting to your criticism. On your part, please don’t mistake disagreement for taking offence .
ping pong	#35 December 05, 2009, 1:36 am @Allwin Agnel, my as well as haripi2′s point is if we dont even recognize the 2 colleges that we are asked to compare, then there wont be accurate results to these rankings as far as those 10-12 NCR colleges are concerned.. There is no use to put in those colleges in the list till you include the option of can’t say/ don’t know.
Gopal Gupta	#36 December 05, 2009, 9:28 am As someone over here said that One year MBA programs have come out of its nascent phase, as more and more people are getting back to college after a substancial work exp,how we all interpret the rankings when colleges like Great Lakes, ISB (which impart only 1 year progs) are ranked along with all other regular institutes, is still a concern. ??
Apurv Pandit	#37 December 06, 2009, 10:17 am @Gopal Gupta: There are 2 ways of answering your question. 1) Theoretically, you have a point. But in practice, if you observe application trends, there is a substantially large number of people who apply to both these 1 yr and 2 yr programs simultaneously and then take a decision on which one to join after their receive their final admits. So the bifurcation between applicants to 1 yr MBA and 2 yr MBA takes place at the end of the application season and not the beginning. I am not sure that the 1-yr MBA market is so mature and large in India for a bunch of people to say, “You know what guys, all I want to do is a 1-yr MBA in an Indian b-school and I am only going to apply to these schools.” Maybe in the future, but not now. 2) Anyone looking at only the 1-yr programs can isolate those b-schools out of the final rankings and arrange them in the same order to find out what people think about 1-yr programs anyway.
Gopal Gupta	#38 December 07, 2009, 10:30 am Hi Apurv 1) Its just that market for 1 YR MBA does not appear to be large enough, as thrz no central exam like CAT, and neither do institutes have a unified criterion for selecting candidates.But if somehow the number of people taking GMAT/GRE is to be taken into account, numbers will get comparable to the people appearing for CAT.Further, 5 years back, with an idea of getting into foreign universities, GMAT/GRE was taken by the candidates, but as Big names like IIM`S, SP JAIN, ISB rolled out customised programs, people did started considering these as much favoured options. 2) One can pick out the colleges offering 1 year MBA progs, from the final rankings, but will that give the true picture, is still debatable. in the end, i`ll just say that m done with my part of survey, n lets see hw the rankings show up.
Shiva Ram	#39 December 12, 2009, 9:31 am totally confused

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