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IIM Shillong being run randomly by a Director with questionable credentials, says Jam Mag

iim-shillonglogo-as-Smart-Object-1.gif The just-over-an-year-old IIM Shillong is headed by a non-PhD Director who oversees an administration embroiled in random faculty appointments and irregular financial deals relating to the institute’s IT infrastructure, according to a detailed expose by Jam magazine editor Rashmi Bansal. If any of this is true, there is little reason to cheer about the seven new IIMs on the anvil.

Excerpts from the story below. On faculty appointments:

“No less than 7 of the 13 full time faculty members who joined IIM Shillong in 2008 left in less than a year, leaving a demoralised student body and questions about how an institute by the name of ‘IIM’ can get by without following any prescribed norms.”

“”A prospective faculty member is generally required to present a paper before the students and existing faculty, before being invited for interview. In the case of at least one faculty member, there was neither a presentation nor an interview.”

Another shocking case was that of a candidate who was rejected by the interview board and yet appointed as a ‘faculty associate’. Three months this person was promoted to the post of assistant professor.

Another professor was recruited to teach a subject, despite having no experience or background in this subject. These and many more decisions related to academics were taken by the director unilaterally, without consulting the Dean and other faculty colleagues.”

The story further suggests financial irregularities in setting up of the institute’s IT infrastructure.

“Mr Dutta happens to be the chairman of a company from Kolkata, the All India Technologies, which is appointed as the webmaster of IIM Shillong for designing and maintenance of the institute’s website.

Another related party transaction is the procurement of a web conferencing solution from Intellisys ltd, a company in which Mr Dutta occupies the position of a director.”

Full story here.

Update: Financial daily Business Standard, Nov 10 in its story “IIM-Shillong loses half its faculty over differences with director” quotes an anonymous member of the board of governors of IIM Shillong:

“A board member admitted: “One of the faculty members had circulated an email among the board and faculty members, protesting against the termination letter handed over to him without giving him a reason. However, nothing has been done in this matter, though it was brought to the notice of the secretary of the ministry of human resource development.””

Director Ashoke Dutta is quoted in his defence as saying:

The institute’s director and other board members, however, have a different view of the events. Asked about these allegations, Dutta said, “This is all false. Shillong is a tough place to be in and I have been successful in getting the campus up and running in just two months. We have a faculty sanction strength of 10, while we have had 13 faculty members on campus. I am aware of the mail being circulated by some disgruntled professors. While one has been sacked, the others left for greener pastures.”

We’ll keep a tab on how this story develops and post updates here.

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vij_sastra
#1 November 09, 2009, 1:44 pm

Shocking! It really is. I can’t believe some guy is acting like king of the forest.
If I remember right…Mr.Dutta had complained that most of the faculty members are not interested in continuing to teach in IIMs, and simply move on to private companies offering lucrative packages..which they can earn using the ‘IIM’ brand name.

And now this. Which version are we to believe?

avinav2712
#2 November 09, 2009, 3:15 pm

Wow!!! So unbelievable!!! I’ve been reading the Life@IIM S thread regularly and they never even hinted about something like this……

drsunilsingh
#3 November 09, 2009, 3:29 pm

not that shocking also,very few directors practice democracy in selecting faculty.

navneet023
#4 November 09, 2009, 4:04 pm

lol…for once i am happy ki iim-s ne 95%ile aane pe bhi call nai kiya :P …waise to 93 walo ko bhi karte hain :O

sarvshwet
#5 November 09, 2009, 4:11 pm

Dear Apurv

Does Pagalguy has ANY proof of what ever you have posted here??? I had not expected PG to be involved in spreading a gossip story.

Apurv Pandit
#6 November 09, 2009, 4:34 pm

Sarvshwet, You should also ask that to everyone who’s reposting the story across Twitterland and Blogosphere. It is normal to repost information of interest on the Internet as long as the source has had a credible track record. This is really between you and Jam-mag. Train your guns at the source of the attack, not to those who are talking about the attack.

doodlums
#7 November 09, 2009, 4:42 pm

@sarvshwet

The article DOES clearly mention “…according to Jam magazine…”

diablorulez
#8 November 09, 2009, 4:48 pm

Exactly Apurv

As part of media forum there is something called being responsible. You very well aware of reach of PG as medium and the way it impacts aspirants.

The news story has been one sided affair and hasn’t taken into account other side of story

BY posting this PG is supposedly appear as endorsing this.

We dont wanna be defensive unnecessarily and blow any TRP stint out of proportion

but isn’t timing of this is something to ponder upon. we are heading to placement season and admission round..

In past also JAM has been in gossips.. and this way isn’t it PG subscribing to this..

CATch_22
#9 November 09, 2009, 4:49 pm

really shocking!! I would definitely check the truth if i will have an option to go there..

Apurv Pandit
#10 November 09, 2009, 5:05 pm

@diablo – you should really be taking all these issues to Jam-mag. It would be a miscalculation on your part to think that had we not written about it, the story wouldn’t reach more people. Like I said, don’t shoot the messenger, it won’t lead you to what you might be looking for.

required
#11 November 09, 2009, 5:28 pm

So Mr.Apurv.. Does that mean I can write any sort of non sense about anything in some XYZ blog..and you’ll just post it as a front page article without even trying to find out if there is a hint of truth in it or not…messenger??thats funny..

vij_sastra
#12 November 09, 2009, 5:48 pm

I am pretty sure many people are more than thankful for PG and Apurv for bringing this issue(true or not) to all puys! There is no point in arguing with our admin regarding this. You should be talking to people who post these stories.

think about it… would you have been happy if something like this missed yr eyes? So even if this is false,at least you can find it out for yourself now,cant you fellas?

Read my first comment. For more, look at Business today’s issue with the ratings of B schools.

Apurv Pandit
#13 November 09, 2009, 5:48 pm

@required – Err… I wouldn’t call the blog/site in question an ‘XYZ blog’. Shows poor research and knowledge of the people/media involved on your part.

caterpilar
#14 November 09, 2009, 6:13 pm

It’s a big news man, I hope PGHQ has done its homework well.
Not because we will face any lawsuit but because PG has credibility among users, it’s more about faith than anything else.

New IIM’s director should be chosen only from the faculty members of existing IIM’s, it’s a responsible job and requires integrity to the core.

Let the truth prevail.

Shivangi Narayan
#15 November 09, 2009, 6:17 pm

@required: This story is being discussed in other very credible forums. It just gives you a point to debate about.

rohshan86
#16 November 09, 2009, 6:41 pm

thanks a ton guys for bringing this to light….i dont visit jam mag often but i do visit pg frequently..thanks a ton….really iim s should come out transparent now.

True liar
#17 November 09, 2009, 8:14 pm

hey puys!!..i feel such things needed to b brought into light…and as far the facts are concerned….i knw the Eco prof and her wife….who left that institute..

rajaramvarun
#18 November 09, 2009, 9:40 pm

@Sarv,Diablo: As Apurv so rightfully pointed,I think they are just reproducing an article from another Magazine and are hardly blame-worthy.The article does feel a little hyperbolised to say the least.The fact that the director lacks academic credentials for want of a Ph.d seems ludicrous.Any proof of his so called 40 years of “erratic” work experience is altogether absent from the article.The very fact that he has 40yrs of work experience in the industry strengthens his case(apart from the fact that he is on the board for companies which set up infrastructure on campus).

Although I am in no position nor do I possess the necessary information to pass a comment on most points in the article,what I do know is that IIM Shillong has been a little freewheeling in the handling of their admissions this year(which of course has woefully been mentioned in passing in the article).I hope,for the sake of lot of us,that this article doesnt have as much truth as it claims to have.

ayansarkar
#19 November 09, 2009, 10:02 pm

Well,personally I do not like IIM Shillong’s selection criteria. I didnt get a call even after getting 98.85 in CAT ‘08. But I find this story very hard to believe. It may not be upto the standard of the other IIMs(or other top 10 B-schools), but this story seems too far-fetched and exaggerated.

Apurv Pandit
#20 November 09, 2009, 10:04 pm

http://www.allindia.com/html/about-us/our-management.asp
“An alumnus of IIM Calcutta and MS from Case Western Reserve University, USA”
Not a PhD.
The company in the above link is indeed the Webmaster of the IIM Shillong website, as can be verified by visiting http://www.iimshillong.in and looking at the footer left side.

rajaramvarun
#21 November 09, 2009, 10:09 pm

Thanks Apurv.But this goes to prove that he has an impressive track record.To mention a few—Faculty @ IIMC,Dean @ IIT VGSOM,Director–Corporate Affairs,Ranbaxy.

shoaibmohamed
#22 November 09, 2009, 10:15 pm

@ Apurv, that link also says ‘Currently Director, Indian Institute of Social Welfare and Business Management (IISWBM)’ .. I’m not supporting him nor endorsing it, but PG does have lot of active current students from IIM-S in the forum, it could very well have been cross checked with them before being published.

It is only cuz i’m loyal to PG and want the forum to remain the first place to find authentic information that I request you to plz clarify before posting/re-posting any information…

Hope the message is taken in the right spirit…

Apurv Pandit
#23 November 09, 2009, 10:15 pm

@rajaramvarun – true, so the description reads. Instead of discussing here, it’s best to post your concerns on the author’s blog.

Akshay Vannery
#24 November 09, 2009, 11:11 pm

God, Apurv i pity u sometimes mate…
First SIBM and then IIM S.. Wonder why YOU have to be kicked in the gut so many times..
that too by our PG brethren… Sheesh!!

CAT.Genie
#25 November 09, 2009, 11:17 pm

Apoorv

Why dont you guys interview the director ?

nishantvdo
#26 November 09, 2009, 11:55 pm

I simply can’t believe this…what has happened to PG??…Mr.apurv pandit…plz go through the PG rankings…iim shillong is ranked 24….above irma…imi…kjsomaiya etc….and here you act as a “messenger” for an unknown magazine,and indicate that iims is god knows what??
And more surprising is the fact that you do not want to accept responsibility??…..if you post an article…investigate it and then do so…you cant be saying that this is what some jam-butter mag says..not you…
am very disappointed with this article…baseless allegations …nothing else…
P.S.:i hate iims admission procedure…and am a fresher…not an iims student

nishantvdo
#27 November 10, 2009, 12:15 am

do we still rely on pg bschool rankings??…….are you going to change them???

the_hate
#28 November 10, 2009, 12:28 am

so much of detective work for a name slip for symbi..and so less for IIM-S…
what happened to so many users of pg who are in S? they would’ve known the ground reality. why not have their opinion included too?

abhi123c
#29 November 10, 2009, 1:07 am

there are so many of you guys who are blaming the entire pg team for posting such articles………….if you claim these are false reports why dont you put up the actual facts point by point basis, and end this controversy…..simple,isnt it ???

abhi123c
#30 November 10, 2009, 1:11 am
billa
#31 November 10, 2009, 1:12 am

@nishantvdo : ” jam-butter mag ” .lol. spare a thought for the editors of the magazine.. wat harm have they done if PG has posted their article.

TheDead
#32 November 10, 2009, 1:23 am

something is definatly wrong..and its better to be corrected in the beginning itself…i mean how can such brilliant teachers (KL & RL) can be forced to leave the clg….

dasarp.urug
#33 November 10, 2009, 1:40 am

@the_hate this story is NOT a PG exposure…its a JAM magazine article…I dont understand why such a ruckus is being raised…on the contrary, as a aspirant i want know all about the institute before i join it, even if this were a mere gossip…i dont want to regret later…kudos to PG team for this post…
@nishanvdo
Now Business Standard has reported this…now are u going to demand an investigation from BS too ?

the_hate
#34 November 10, 2009, 1:47 am

i understand it’s not a exposure..but then PG team could have gone a step ahead than others, use it’s biggest strength- it’s members in S..and could’ve presented their viewpoint too..ppl who know the ground reality too..
Would that’ve been tough? i guess no…
We expect MORE from PG..so others are doing..even BS..doesn’t make a difference…
last comment from my side…tata

Raj
#35 November 10, 2009, 2:42 am

I think this artical has brought Pg’s credibility at stake , now it’s prove or perish for PG.

DEVILISHANGEL
#36 November 10, 2009, 3:27 am

why are you guys bogging down on poor apurv?
i don’t get it! he has no right to state what is being said all around?
i am sorry but isn’t this suppose to be a democratic forum?
by the way under no circumstances is this a new or surprising thing. the news about iim-s has been in the info-dom for a lot of time now.
i think its a well known fact that a professor from iim-c openly said that there is not even a tea shop in 2 mile radius of iim-s when he went there.

and pg’s credibility will NEVER be at stake. in the era of information, everything that typed on the internet can be checked back for credibility!

business standard, as always, has always been at the forefront of iim-cat news. it has brought out many firsts!

the guys at iim-s are definitely good but they should understand the fact that people have right to talk about their college just like every other college.

why do we believe in halos and horns? why can’t we be more objective?

and someone here was pitying someone else. all i have to say is, may god bless the one who pities on others.

don’t u guys think that this news, if it had not been broken by pg.com, would have been broken by others in the press? its foolish to blame apoorv guys. let him go, he is just a reporter, not the one doing the folly.

and there was absolutely nothing wrong about the sibm article as well.

DEVILISHANGEL
#37 November 10, 2009, 3:49 am

*ofcourse-the prof from iim-c may be was being metaphorical. i wouldn’t complain about shillong and the city that it is. having lived there for a few months and being born in assam. its a beautiful place which has relatively less violence in comparision to any major n.e. town harmonious and music loving. but guys some of iim-s problems weren’t really hidden were they? nonetheless the brilliant guys/gurls of iim-s will always stay brilliant and will outshine all of this for sure :)

gautamexplorer
#38 November 10, 2009, 6:29 am

I think till date,all IIMs are having robust reputation in India as well as abroad.I dont know the reality of this article but one thing is sure that it,s soiling the IIMs value.Govt. has set up 7 new IIMs but who the hell is going to take care of these new set up institutions.

Apurv Pandit
#39 November 10, 2009, 8:54 am

Post updated with Business Standard story saying the same thing.

Apurv Pandit
#40 November 10, 2009, 9:05 am

@Akshay – part of job :) .

Some people here think that PG should only tell them nice hunky dory stuff that they want to hear about good b-schools to reinforce their belief in their MBA prep. But at PG, we’ll present the darker side of b-schools too along with the nice things that we write about them in their placement reports, b-school roundups and Backpacker stories. It’s kind of strange, how anxiously these people lap up the totally inflated and non-transparent placement reports of various b-schools without even once asking for ‘proof’, while they will rain down on the smallest whiff of negative on the same institutions. According to me, these fudged PR articles from b-schools are doing them greater harm than the negative stories. It’s strange self-defeating behaviour, considering that a rational approach would be to know as much as possible in order to take an informed decision. Like everything else, b-schools aren’t black or white. Not even the best b-schools are all-white.

As for the constant question on the credibility of PG, it’s an old scratched record played by people with self-serving motives and short-sighted vision. “PG has lost credibility” is something we have been hearing since 2002, when many of the angry posters here were in school and did not even know the full-form of MBA. It’s been what, like seven years since then? We at PG do not put anything out here until we are more than convinced of the credibility of the source. Before putting anything on this blog, we have huge amounts of debate within our team with plenty of people playing devil’s advocates. We have enough top b-schoolers in our own team and are constantly in touch with the PG oldies junta for consulting on everything we put here. You’d be flabbergasted at the massive amounts of dark secrets of b-schools that we DO NOT put out here because it does not pass our checks and balances. Our job is to inform people, but it is upto the people to use that information to take the right decisions for themselves OR delude themselves in the rhetoric of all that is easy on the eyes and ears.

khanjan
#41 November 10, 2009, 9:41 am

Agree with Apurv, We should know as much as possible, and for the truth, we should find it by ourselves.. PG is just trying to inform us what is going on in the field which is concerned to an MBA aspirant.

one more thing…

Suppose the PG had not posted this story and after some days(Say after you take admission to IIM-S) you find this story to be true from some other source, you would definitely say that PG did not informed you about this story..

So Thank PG for informing us on this issue.. Rest we will track whether the story is true or not..

nilsoft
#42 November 10, 2009, 10:20 am

My frnds study in IIMS, it’s not at all of the standards of other IIMs, forget about other IIMs , it’s not even equal to XIMB or SIBM, it does not even have a proper pedagogy.

brij007
#43 November 10, 2009, 10:45 am

Thanks Apurv!! Appreciate your efforts..

nareshunited
#44 November 10, 2009, 11:09 am

I think its an absolute DISGRACE on the part of PG to feature something like this on PG.

I think the writers are acting like GOSSIP AUNTIES…..All these AUNTIES do is gossip all masaledar stories.Nobody takes responsibility and keeps passing the buck…

Either you should have the courage and proof to back your claims else dont feature such things on PG.

Some time back Times of INDIA had published something against the Gujrat government but had to later apologise.

Similarly in this case if PG doesnt have any authentic proof then it should apologise to IIM S..

Having said all this,if PG does have authentic proof to back its claims then hats of to PG.

ephemeralsoul
#45 November 10, 2009, 11:49 am

@DEVILISHANGEL: Hey i talked to my friends in IIMS … thr is no such situation of not having any tea stall within 2 miles …. In fact each & everything is available in and around the campus .. and add to that campus is situated within the town ..
coming on to Apporv’s post–the whole drama is the result of one disgruntled professor with the director and it happens everywhere. Not much of interest for those who r planning and studying there. A lot of good things are happening in there under the current director’s leadership :)

ALL THE BEST :)

Apurv Pandit
#46 November 10, 2009, 11:53 am

I wonder why the IP address of ^ephemeralsoul^ matches that of sarvshwet and diablorulez, both students of IIMS. I mean from his post it appears he is an ‘outsider’ friend of some people in IIMS. ;)

sumitrocks
#47 November 10, 2009, 1:01 pm

@Apurv… maybe, ephemeralsoul is some friend visiting the campus to ‘investigate’ the happenings reported… and typing the comment from the campus tea stall itself :P

Apurv Pandit
#48 November 10, 2009, 1:10 pm

@sumitrocks – quite possible. Flights going to NE have been reported as jam packed owing to ‘friends’ who now want to visit IIMS in order to unearth the truth :P .

gallbladder
#49 November 10, 2009, 1:26 pm

“You’d be flabbergasted at the massive amounts of dark secrets of b-schools that we DO NOT put out here because it does not pass our checks and balances”–Very unlike of PG.
And,fine,expediency is better than being a moralist!

diablorulez
#50 November 10, 2009, 1:28 pm

Good to see that finally u r doing some research and working on ur humuor..
also its nice to see how maturely the veterans are trying to instigate ppl :)

Not sure who the guy “was” (as id doesn’t exist anymore :) ) but wld have made sure none of us wld enter in the mud slick which some of other great Bschooler and perhaps PG trying to get us into

Also thanks for endorsing that people above who actually felt about it and have written “un biasedly” about us are true identity and not us.;)

nilsoft
#51 November 10, 2009, 1:36 pm

Please understand one thing that inspite of everything IIMS has one of the best quality student intake.
IIMB and IIMS are the two institutes which does not only go by CAT but also look at academic solidarity and individual brilliance. So what ever controversy has happened IIMS still rocks!!!!
PG students would be glad to make it over there.

nishantvdo
#52 November 10, 2009, 1:47 pm

do we still rely on pg b-school rankings??…are you changing them???….do you stand by them??….
P.S.:iim-s is ranked 24 on that list

sumitrocks
#53 November 10, 2009, 1:49 pm

I really think that people from the media cell could better devote their time to fruitful pursuits (assuming there are any). If you think there’s an issue, complain about it formally, period.

Also, I don’t think it’s worthy of a media cell representative to write some highly biased/prejudiced views, in utterly crappy English, and also to indulge in what could be construed as personal attacks on someone’s social network.

For posterity, let me paste what an ‘esteemed’ media cell rep. and PG user had to say to my FB update about this story:
“sumit.. well its about a person not to be related with insti and quality of students here.

Even m sure all is not right with XL itself..y not then we give correct picture of that..kher i dont knw the veracity of this..so no comments.. but if u were so wanted to take good side.. there r n no.of things about even ur insrti or anyone else”

P.S. These is an exact quote, and I’m sorry to be engaging in what you might want to call ‘mud-slinging’ but I believe that it’s only fair to sling back some mud, if someone throws some at you. 8)

Apurv Pandit
#54 November 10, 2009, 1:52 pm

@nishantvdo – yes we stand by them. PG rankings are based on YOUR perception. It’s not like we create the rankings. Maybe you should study the methodology.

Apurv Pandit
#55 November 10, 2009, 2:08 pm

@diablo – with due respect, for all the noise IIMS students are making here (as themselves or impersonated ‘friends’), there is not even a mouse’s whimper from IIMS students on the Youthcurry blog, by Rashmi Bansal who actually did the story! Anybody who has genuinely been wronged would either lodge a formal protest directly with the author of the story or at least protest on the author’s comment space. Instead of doing that, you guys are wasting time sledging on a third-party website (us) which only pointed out to the story. Most amusing!

Youthcurry is one of India’s top 10 blogs and more people probably subscribe to its RSS feed than to any other Indian blog. Rashmi and Jammag are the people who first told India about IIPM ( http://www.jammag.com/careers/n/showart.php?art_id=149 ) and that story still resonates to this day among people. Your energies need to be spent putting your side of the story on Youthcurry, not here. You’re not gaining anything with your bad-English sarcasm on us, though you may continue if it’s the best you can do :) .

jamboy
#56 November 10, 2009, 3:42 pm

IIM S still gets good students doesn’t it? And some time must be given for its brand to be established, which will be. Perhaps the location might not be the most strategic one, but it surely WILL be in the top 15 in the next 10 years.

For anyone who hasn’t read the article properly, its more about the director than the institute. Anyone having any doubts can post it on Rashmi’s blog or mail her. She will reply.

How do I know? I work for JAM.

rohshan86
#57 November 10, 2009, 5:43 pm

apruv there are tonnes of people on PG who support you…keep up the good work.

vibhucse
#58 November 10, 2009, 7:02 pm

Definitely a great job done by Apurv.
But it is too early to utter a word about the genuiness of the post. For this moment of time we can take it just as a rumor, had it been a true story News channels like Aaj Tak and Star News would have come up with a nice curry in various flavours.
But on the other side if we take this story to be true then this certainly is a spark that is going to burn careers to ashes. Then it certainly brings out the dark side of Indian Education system. But who is going to suffer?
The director or the Professor? or the story poster?
None of them, only the students like you and me going to suffer whether you are studying at IIMS or you are prospective of any B-School in India. If it is happening in one of the trusted administrations then it is certain to happen in many others.
But this is not the time to get discouraged, if we are to suffer then we have to come up with a solution. We are on the verge of enetering the B-schools and in atmost 2 years we will become managers. But isn’t it true that we can’t even manage the things around us in our B-Schools where we pay hefty fees.
It is the time when we should come forward and ask for what we deserve and what we pay. Students should have their say in the administration of an institute. When students have power, they will think about student welfare.
In most of the Top Ranked B-Schools in world there is a definite student body who represents the students at administrative meetings. May be this is the reason that best of our B-Schools stand no where near even the Mid-ranked U.S Bschools.
As this post originated here, solutions to this problem should also come from the best place i.e. pagalguy.com. PG is providing us with the liberty to share our views, then why should we utilise it.

maverick_srikan
#59 November 11, 2009, 2:20 am

http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/iim-shillong-loses-half-its-faculty-over-differencesdirector/375905/ – Business Today seems to have reported something similar. Please check this out as well.

ankig
#60 November 11, 2009, 10:03 am

Stop cursing apurva people. I as a aspirant want to know all sides of the story before i make a decision. And if we dream of doing MBA from a elite institute we are expected to have brains to make a decision with a wise frame of mind.Cudos PG for bringing in new viewpoints.Way to go

shoaibmohamed
#61 November 11, 2009, 11:05 am

@ ankig

noone is cursing apurva or anything…. all i was saying was – pg reaches out to many aspirants and the consequences of articles posted here is much more than on business standard or jam magazine as it really reaches the target group. And when it does influence so majorly PG could’ve taken a step ahead and verified with students there or some other credible source rather than just shirking away responsibilities saying it just reposted an article…

Apurv Pandit
#62 November 11, 2009, 12:27 pm

@shoaibmohamed – there are some flaws in your argument.

You assume that people have no intelligence of their own and dictate their lives on the basis of articles they read on websites. But actually, they patiently wait for issues to shape up and do not take decisions until they have conclusively listened to all viewpoints from multiple sources. Now if you are the special type who takes their educational decisions on the basis of singular articles on one website, you are only implying that you do not think for yourself and hence only have yourself to blame for it.

2ndly, Both the Jam-mag and Business Standard articles look like fairly well-researched pieces of journalism. Facts when corroborated by multiple sources qualify for a news story. Both the sources of Jam-mag and BS agree on a large number of issues raised about the problems in the articles. How much of it is true, only time will tell. But at this point, they have enough meat to deserve consideration and an audience. We at PG are doing our duty by informing you what prominent voices in the media are saying about IIMS. What exactly is your problem with that? Would you rather not that things be transparent and people know what’s going on?

And “PG could’ve taken a step ahead and verified with students there” is amusing. As if students in any b-school are going to admit to a problem in their school to a media at the cost of bad PR that might affect their placements, etc. How innocent.

Assuming that the issues stated in the articles are indeed true, that doesn’t make IIMS a bad school to join. IIMS may not be a top b-school now but might get there in a few years time once it gets over obstacles such as the one in the article. But if it has problems, they need to be pointed out.

shoaibmohamed
#63 November 11, 2009, 6:06 pm

http://twleveoclock.blogspot.com/2009/11/iim-shillong-is-it-really-mockery-in.html , just recieved the link as part of google alerts for IIM’s

DEVILISHANGEL
#64 November 11, 2009, 9:27 pm

bhai angrezi zindabad! :D

btw, umm, although what is being said about NON-PHD director etc may be a cause of worry, but the worth of a phd in india even from the best of institutes is questionable. the procurement of a phd in india also is not a big deal in any way. people can, if they want to, procure phds with absolutely no effort most of the time.

but yes, the faculty at iim’s and the administrative dept ppl should be of a certain quality (atleast phd from A CERTAIN LEVEL OF INSITUTES india/aborad)

i would urge everyone here to always look into the credentials of faculty members before joining any mba institute. all of the info is freely available online. just google out the college’s name and check the faculty out before you join (btw, i did once try to look around for the heck of it, i was a shocked quite a few times :| )

so although what’s being said about iim’s must have some credentials (no smoke without fire :) ) but i don’t think all of what is true for iim-s is false for other top b-schools. the truth remains that great indian b-schools are great because of the quality and determination of students and not because of the quality of professors. yes, it is a shame but then again, it just proves how gutsy and determined our students are :)

three cheers for the student driven excellence :)

ankig
#65 November 12, 2009, 10:01 am

All of us have utmost respect for IIM S and Ph.D or not, chai tapri or not 95% of India would be willing to give 0ne hand and leg to get through and I am sure if the report is false Apurva will be the happiest person in the world. But having said that it is his duty (which he is rightfully performing) to bring out any inconsistencies which are observed. Tomorrow if a similar case arises with a top 4 institute PG should bring it out neutrally(I am sure they will)

Satish Tyagi
#66 November 12, 2009, 12:01 pm

he link sent by shoaibmohamed is now ..http://twleveoclock.blogspot.com/
i feel this shows the proper research..i feel PG should have done this before posting it

DEVILISHANGEL
#67 November 12, 2009, 5:54 pm

research or ad campaign? not even for iim-s but for the director.
this is getting funnier!
if this is being done by iim-s guys then stop it!
you guys are good enough to get through all of this resorting to such blogs (please proof read by the way)
you guys are in an IIM! c’mon! no one at all is questioning your credentials and neither will the companies who come to hire.
forget this as a bad episode and move on. and don’t you guys worry an iim’s stays an iim because of its brilliant and jubiliant students. the students are talented and smart enough to take care of themselves.

diablorulez
#68 November 13, 2009, 2:13 am

@Devilishangel: None of this done by IIM S students. I can give you in writing and dont worry mate we understand this and will never resort to such kind of stuff. We need not worry about this. its an IIM period :)

sb29
#69 November 13, 2009, 11:56 am

Some thoughts while reading the comments:

1. When JAM did an IIPM expose, people accepted it hands down. When it does a piece on IIM-S, people question the research.
2. Ashoke Datta was the director of IISWBM. Even IISWBM website has been done by All India Technologies :P
3. PG has just RT’s (retwitted) the blog post and newspaper article. An accepted web norm
4. @Sarwesh, @Diablo Why don’t you do an in-depth at Shillong and mail it to Rashmi and PG
5. IIM-S is a very new institute. Such birthpangs are bound to happen.

sajjansin
#70 November 13, 2009, 12:12 pm

These stories do not surprise us.They have happened in Kozikode, Indore too. First, the location is always a political decision and the appointed chief is generally a political selection. Initial efforts are made to take someone from IIM-A, but they do not show any interest. The last was Prof Asopa, who left as fast as was possible after accepting the same. The two exception of choosing head with predominantly local faculty consent are Ahmedabad and Bangalore now. The Board picked up is also with political patronage, example being Singhania and Kalyani as head for years of IIM-L and IIM-I with no contribution except that the first got Padam Shree for himself and Director both.Even if an issue is about Director’s financial improprietary and you want to raise it with Chairman, it is neither acknowledged nor responded. Faculty, who joins may soon discover that it is a temporary position in which he has landed since there are no sanctioned post during project. And you may not be entitled even for PF contribution and other perks. In case you take up issue with Registrar of Societies, you find it helpless since hardly penal powers exist with the authority. Faculty has to either survive on mercy of Director or has to call it a day to return back when things are streamlined.

ranvir
#71 November 14, 2009, 2:08 pm

Its a real shame that when students require absolute transparency from institutes(like in such cases) to make important career/b school choices they get shrouded in confusion by students/faculty of the institute themselves and in the end it is the students who will be the ones to lose out.real shame.

china9
#72 November 16, 2009, 9:42 am

good going apurv!…keep coming up with the stories so an aspirant can take the best decision possible from the info available…especially important given that the admission season is now starting…

Pushkar Bendre
#73 November 16, 2009, 9:53 am

no B-School should be defamed on Pagal Guy, this is an attack on all the B-Schools. Mods, please take necessary actions.

Gallup David
#74 November 18, 2009, 12:09 pm

Dear Friends
You can’t find a smoke without fire. Before accusing PG and Jam Magazine, please go through the profile of following faculty members at IIM Shillong

Achyanta Kumar Sarmah
Anoop Abraham
Basav Roy Choudhury
Hellen Giri
Keya Sengupta
Natalie West Kharkongor
Santosh Kr. Prusty
Shankar Purbey
At least I am not convinced. One of my friends who knows about IIMS said that Mr Sharma and Mr Purbey are faculty associates not faculty members. Please find out the credential of above faculty members and organisations they have previously worked with before joining IIMS. Since most of them are from local colleges or universities or lack of exposure, I am sure they must not be tuned to modern pedagogy in management education. Also you need to explore their class room performances as I have a doubt on their competence to teach students at IIM. An NGO pronounces last year a person who has competency in accounting and taxation taught a strategy paper. If it is so, are not we playing with lives of few cream students who are fortunately or unfortunately through IIMS? The NGO has also highlighted the credential of faculty members and CAO who have left IIMS:

(1) Mr SRV Anand – OSD (Came From IIMA)
(2) Prof Manoj Bayong – Visiting Faculty (Joined from IIMA)
(3) Prof Suvendu Bose – Faculty (Came from PWC)
(4) Prof Krishna Lada – Faculty (A person of international repute Came from NewYork university)
(5) Prof Rani Lada – Faculty (Came from USA having corporate experience with Citi Bank, Morgan Stanley, J P Morgan etc)
(6) Prof B panda – Faculty (Came from NEHU, a central University)
(7) Prof Ashutosh Dash – Faculty (came from NIFM, Under Ministry of Finance)
(8) Professor Deepak Gandhi – Dean (Came from UNDP, Canada having vast experience in Corporate like TaTa Steel, Escorts, NDDB, Times of India etc)
Can some body reason out what for is this? Whatever may be the case there is some thing wrong with IIMS. We should be thankful to JAM and PG for bringing this to fore.

gallupdavid
#75 November 19, 2009, 10:03 am

This is addressed to Mr. Ashok Thakur, Additional Secretary (MHRD)
and his Hon. Minister, who always fight for justice:-

We are asking you to investigate the matter thru third party , an eminent person like Ms.Kiran Bedi to correct the system and GOI’s objectives and investment for institutionalizing and creation of Global Management Schools to ensure, that India is seen as powerful brand in the management education too. We are not in top 100 B-schools despite that IIM’s are reasonably visible,courtesy IIM- A, B and C. You compare profile of any Director of these schools of last 40 yrs to Dutta. If you find one like Dutta, please award Bharat Ratna to Dutta and I will write cheque of 5 lacs in favour of him

You cannot build the institution by appointing incompetent, intellectually and morally corrupt person like Ashoke Dutta.

Please look in to it and take reformative action immediately before it rocks the issue in parliament.

Mr. Minister and Thakur sahib, you will be in a very embracing situation then. Please investigate the working and culture built by Dutta at IIMS and ensure undoing it in the interest of students in particular and IIM brand and academic institutions in general. You will be doing great service to society and hastening process of nation building. Both of you have undertaken oath to that effect before occupying the seat of public service.

I am taking liberty to request other IIM Director’s also to intervene and save their own brand otherwise posterity will not pardon you for your inactiveness and passive attitude of ‘Sab Chalta Hai’.

Prasid
#76 November 23, 2009, 1:43 pm

Do not write off IIM Shillong just yet. They might be running into a lot of trouble lately with their image. But I am sure there are some brilliant young minds on campus which is what matters in the long run. In their short existence, they have already won the coveted Ashwamedha, Cult-icon and Kalpavriksha at IIM Indore which is quite a big achievment given the competition they had to come through to do it. Do not forget, this is a government institution at the end of the day. I dont need to expound on the vagaries of its functioning here. So give the institute a chance. Its only 1 and half years old!

Prasid – IIM Indore

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