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IIM Ahmedabad summer placements 2009: 310 placed in record 4 days

IIM Ahmedabad concluded the summer internship placement process for the class of 2009-11 by placing 310 participating students in a record 4 days. At 44%, Finance roles were the single largest preference of students, featuring the return of the big names in investment banking and private equity and an increase in the number of offers made by them. At 12 offers, the Royal Bank of Scotland was the largest summer recruiter.

Pleasant as the placement report looks, it would be premature to conclude that the recession-hit economy is recovering any faster based on this report and here is the reason why: many companies recruit for summer internships with an aim to hire the interns fulltime after they graduate via pre-placement offers (PPOs). A great summer internship season now only means that companies foresee good times in the financial year of 2011-12, the year in which these students will graduate and be eligible for jobs. If the good times don’t actually happen, the companies have the exit route of not offering a PPO. For whatever b-school placement reports are worth as indicators of economic health, real recovery for right now would only be measured by how well the final placement processes in the next 3-4 months across tier-1 and tier-2 b-schools go.

Anyhow, I’m including some excerpts from IIMA’s summer placement report for the Post-Graduate Program in Management (PGPM) class of 2011 below.

This year, out of a batch size of 312 students, 310 students sat for the placement process and 2 students opted out. All 312 students who sat for the placement process were placed by the end of fourth day.

The process was comprised of 2 slots, slot 0 and slot 1, both spread over 2 days. Both slots saw participation of a large number of firms. Whereas 166 students were placed on slot 0, the other 144 were placed on slot 1.

Compared to the batch of 2007-09 comprising 262 students which was placed in 6 days and the batch of 2008-10 comprising 300 students which was also placed in 6 days, the batch of 2009-11 has, despite being the largest batch with 312 students, been placed in 4 days, the shortest time in recent memory.

Here is the sector-wise breakup:

Finance: 44%
Marketing: 18%
General Management: 18%
Consulting: 11%
IT/systems: 9%

Finance remained the top pick of students again this year, with 44% of students opting for roles in finance – investment banking, private equity, corporate banking and treasury roles. Eighteen percent of the students opted for Marketing roles in Sales and Marketing management, branding, business development and marketing research. Consulting and General Management were the next two preferred domains followed by IT.

“We observed a drastic turnaround in hiring by the Investment banks over the last summer placement season.  Last year, for the 2008-10 batch, the number of offers made by Day 0 Investment Banks and accepted by students stood at 35 whereas this year, this number has shot up to 77.”

The Royal Bank of Scotland saw the highest number of acceptances – a total of 12 students will join the Royal Bank of Scotland for summer internships in April-May 2010. Tata Administrative Services (TAS) extended 10 offers, all of which were accepted. Some of the other prominent recruiters were McKinsey & Co, Bain, the Boston Consulting Group, Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, UBS, Nokia, Nestle, Pepsi, Cadbury, HUL, P&G, Amazon and Microsoft. Many firms also recruited for the first time at IIMA campus this year. Prominent first time recruiters were Walt Disney, Nomura, Airtel, Oberoi Constructions and Western Union.

Positions offered across the globe: Banks like RBS came exclusively for international roles across Hong Kong, Singapore and London. In marketing and general management, P&G, Hindustan Unilever Limited, Coca Cola, Renault, Starcom MediaVest, TAS and Aditya Birla Group offered overseas internships. Firms offered internships at diverse locations like France, Germany, United Kingdom, the Middle-East, Africa, South-East Asia and the United States of America. Almost a quarter of the batch (76 students) secured overseas internships.

Prof. Saral Mukherjee, Chairperson of the Placement Committee said, “We had not expected such a drastic upturn in the demand for quality  talent and hence the summer placements have come as a pleasant surprise to us. However, this may not necessarily translate into increased final placement hiring as often summer placements serve a different need of the recruiter. Hence, we are upgrading our expectation of final placements to one of cautious optimism and at the same time working hard towards attracting a diverse set of recruiters to campus.”

Read on for a day-by-day account of the placement process for more detailed insights.

Third and fourth days (Slot 1)

Slot 1 of the IIMA Summer Placement process was conducted over November 4 and 5, with participation largely from Media, Telecom, Pharma and IT companies.

Repeat summer recruiters such as Dabur, Asian Paints, Cadbury and Renault participated in this slot.

Airtel and Starcom MediaVest offered roles in branding and sales and marketing. Five students will be joining Starcom MediaVest across locations in South-East Asia, said the IIMA press statement.

Some companies from the media sector such as HT Media and Star TV also recruited for Marketing roles. Global media conglomerate Walt Disney recruited for the first time at IIMA this year.

Astra Zeneca, Johnson & Johnson and GSK Pharma were some of the firms from the healthcare and pharmaceutical sector that recruited at IIMA this year.

Eight students will be joining Microsoft for summer internship. Microsoft had also recruited at summer placements last year. Some companies from the consulting sector included Cognizant and Synergy Consulting. Cognizant, which offered roles in IT consulting recruited six students for internships. Some students will be joining niche consulting companies specialising in financial services consulting and carbon finance consulting.

Firms from the realty sector were also part of the placement process. Oberoi Construction and Ramky Infrastructure were two such firms that chose to recruit at IIMA for the first time this year.

Second Day

The second day of the summer placement process, curiously named ‘Day 0.5′ (standard practice in Indian b-schools created to give companies a psychological perception of having been invited very early in the process, whereas in reality they have come on the second day), saw companies from the fields of Marketing, General Management, Consulting and Finance offer internships to students.

“Hindustan Unilever and Procter & Gamble, which are on top of the preference list of students looking at a career in Marketing, were back on campus to recruit summer interns for 2010. Diageo, Nokia and Coca-cola were other sought after marketing company on Day 0.5,” said Nissim Nabar, member of Media Cell.

Tata Administrative Service and The Aditya Birla Group both offered general management roles that saw over 15 acceptances between the two firms.

Feedback Ventures, a firm focused on the Infrastructure sector was one of the consulting firms present on the second day. Fortress Financial Services, another firm specialising in Infrastructure recruited for the first time at IIMA this year.

Some other companies that returned to IIMA this year and recruited from 2 to 5 interns are Citibank, Frost & Sullivan, Edelweiss and Anand Rathi.


Day Zero (First day)

The media hunger for updates on IIM placements seems to have ticked off IIM students real bad, because in a bid to ward off phone calls from anxious journos, IIM Calcutta has decided to tweet about its summer placements while IIM Ahmedabad is sending out daily press releases to the media with the day’s updates.

Here are the highlights for Day Zero of the summer internship placements for the class of 2011 at IIM Ahmedabad. Over 300 students are in the fray.

Participation mostly by Investment Banks and Consulting companies.
Namely Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Barclays, Royal Bank of Scotland, JP Morgan, Nomura, HSBC, Deutsche Bank, Citigroup, McKinsey and Co, The Boston Consulting Group and Bain and Co, AT Kearney, Booz and Co and Arthur D Little.
Little is revealed about the total number of students who got a placement on Day Zero (Rohan Desai, the media secretary told me at 9 pm that the interviews were still on), but seems like each company hired in the neighborhood of 5 students each. RBS seems to have hired 10.

Here is the full text of the press release for Day Zero as sent by IIM Ahmedabad.

The summer placement process for the first year PGP and PGP-ABM students kicked off at the Indian institute of Management, Ahmedabad today. Students who will be placed in companies across various sectors during this process will get a chance to apply the learnings from class in practice and experience business management first hand in their preferred domain. Summer Internships are a mandatory requirement of the course and students will spend 8-10 weeks in these companies in the months of April-May next year.

“Day Zero of the summer placement process for the batch of 2009-11 saw enthusiastic response from our regular partners from the fields of Investment Banking and Consulting. Most students today were placed in Investment Banking and Consulting roles”, said Himanshu Nema, Secretary, Placement Cell.

In line with expectations, Investment Banks made their presence felt. Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and Barclays each saw over 5 acceptances.

A senior manager at Royal Bank of Scotland which hired more than 10 summer interns in investment banking profiles in Hong Kong, Singapore, New Delhi and London said, “I was really happy to be here at the IIM Ahmedabad campus. The students were well prepared and looked excited about the opportunity to work at the Royal Bank of Scotland. We hope the international experience provided by an internship at RBS helps them ahead in their careers.”

Some of the other Investment Banks include JP Morgan, Nomura, HSBC, Deutsche Bank and Citigroup.

Top Consulting firms, our long-time recruitment partners were back on campus on Monday to participate in the summer placement process. McKinsey and Co., The Boston Consulting Group and Bain and Co. each will have 3-5 students joining them for summer internships in April next year. Among other top Consulting companies that recruited were AT Kearney, Booz and Co. and Arthur D Little.

“A day that began with great apprehension for the first year students gradually brought relief and cheer to the students as they found that placements had indeed started on expected lines, with regular partners back to recruit and some new firms to choose from”, said Rohan Desai, Secretary, Media Cell at IIMA.

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gallbladder
#1 November 03, 2009, 3:29 am

whatever.
i am sure that the number of students who stay away from placements and start their own ventures will be higher than the last year.
and i appeal for it to all.
thanks.

xatiim
#2 November 03, 2009, 8:33 am

even at the backdrop of all that happened, investment banks still play pied piper!

cool.macho7
#3 November 03, 2009, 9:31 am

What abt the profiles of the peole who got I banks?
Were they freshers or from same background

Thanks

ceoglad
#4 November 03, 2009, 11:29 am

one of my friends got into I bank she had experience but it wasnt domain specific…she made it to morgan stanley…

caterpilar
#5 November 03, 2009, 12:09 pm

Investing Banking, Consulting…………..

What a hype and such low count of people who actually make it.
We need to get out of the hangover, as it caters very small fraction of population.

pranav@spjimr
#6 November 03, 2009, 2:13 pm

Hi all,
I stongly suggest that people get out of this hype (or mass hysteria) called placements. Be it i-Bank, PE or Consulting, look for the career that suites you the best and dont read too much about what happens at which B-School. MBA and career thereafter is something much more than Slot 0 or Slot 1 placements and the supposedly glamorous names which appear there.

chirag_d999
#7 November 03, 2009, 6:23 pm

I strongly agree with the comments from gallbladder and pranav@spjimr.
There will be surely an increase in the numbers of entrepreneurs than last year, who will opt to stay out at the final placements.
Rather than hype, one should focus on the career than on the Brands.

shoaibmohamed
#8 November 03, 2009, 6:49 pm

Congrats IIM-A on starting of placements at a very high note. Its pleasing to note that all the regular recruiters are back and hiring in bigger numbers than last time. Hope the trend continues and everyone gets placed in their dream jobs.

@ people who think that its a hype, believe me its not, and many people who get in are people who really wanted it… its not just blindly following the herd..

@chirag : i-banks does have a preference for freshers with good analyical abilities and enthusiasm towards finance….

caterpilar
#9 November 03, 2009, 7:29 pm

Dear Shoaib,

It’s always been the greed and nothing else.
Since people who make it to an I Bank now, wanted to be tech wizard just four years back .
They are the same people who have completed highly subsidized quality education (on honest taxpayers money)for some different purpose altogether and now since number crunching abilities earn you more in I Bank than in an space agency so people have interest there.

Its been always like that
pre 90’s it was IAS and US
post 90’s it was selling soaps, hair oils in Indian villages (off course after studying computer science and aeronautics and a prestigious management degree) and US
and now its I banking.

So please don’t justify greed with glorified words like interest and inclination.

Thanks.

rainbowz
#10 November 03, 2009, 8:20 pm

Well well… the debate goes on. Cant deny that the motivation for many comes mainly from the perks (read money) associated with the degree MBA from a premiere institute. But then, it ceases to be the primary concern after sometime (as one matures)… as anyone on the inside of a B-school will tell you. The profile , the role and how it fits with the future vision of the person concerned becomes more important. Ask anyone who wanted to do marketing but got stuck with an I-bank ( just because it came on day 0 and they have good number crunching abilities, and its considered foolishness to let a prime company go) … Though its very reassuring that companies are hiring again, signalling the good times in job market to be back, there are plenty number of people who want to do their own thing, have their own visions. Just hope the lure of a cushy job and assured income in a prime company doesn’t overshadow these dreams.
As for the so called “hype”… It has only confirmed that the the IIMs have an excellent PR mechanism… :-) .

Comments and criticisms are welcome.
Thanx.

amitmukh
#11 November 03, 2009, 11:56 pm

Hi guys,

it’s very difficult to say what actually motivates us…we as a nation are still in a nascent stage of proper self-evaluation…look at USA, their maturity in dealing with a career that would fit a certain individuals’s aspirations is well-placed…they are also a greedy lot but with some method in it…the real question is why do we go to a B-school after spending four years in an engineering one…whatever be the reason only we can justify or unjustify that…however, at the end of the day when it comes to keeping the hearth burning we do need money…some of us more while the other less…we need engineers and managers at the same time…whenever an engineer goes for MBA, the industry doesn’t lose a valuable resource for there are others waiting in line who are equally valuable but it gains one fresh inexperienced manager whatever be his competency in realtime management…but there are two questions–

1. how many of the above companies are Indian?
2. despite all the top engineering schools & all our engineers why have we been unable to create a single Google or a Walmart or an ExxonMobil or even a McDonald’s?

Thanks.

lost i am
#12 November 04, 2009, 2:09 am

I think the Indian education system teaches us how to be mediocre..I studied MOSFETs and other transistors and went on to code apps for a Bank..coz my job wanted me to be an engineer..And to top it all,my typical Indian middle class values,which help me become the talk of the town whenever I go abroad or draw a 7 figure salary..I am sry to hurt anybodys feelings,but I aint proud of these “values”..I am in a tier-2 B-school where trust me things still havent started “looking up”..Half the ppl are the ones who cudnt get “placed”..with absolutely no clue what they doing in a B-School,they define the word “desperate”..a thank you to the tens of thousands of engineers we produce every year..all they want is to get into a job..Tonnes of books they read in a week,n yet they lack the ability to think..Innovation is the only thing missing from a B-School graduate these days..And no surprises for guessing y..

sumitrocks
#13 November 04, 2009, 12:18 pm

a) Before investing 9-12 lakhs in say, the stock market, one would carry out careful research and not just go by the printed word or hearsay. Then, before investing 2 years and 9-12 lakhs in management education, why don’t people do that? Agreed, jobs could be hard to come by. But one should have hedged this risk earlier, right?

b) Yes, we don’t have a Google/Walmart/ExxonMobil. But, we do have a Reliance, a Tata, a Maruti, a Bharti Airtel and scores of other highly rated companies. Also, we are a comparatively newer nation. In due course, we will have our Googles and Microsofts and what not. Not just that, our social system will need to evolve a bit. We don’t really focus on building entrepreneurs through our culture or our education system. That really is a long-term change that needs to happen.

c) Why bring up the ‘honest tax payer’ issue? Corrupt politicians and bureaucrats account for most of the money that is siphoned off, and here you are blaming the IIM students for satisfying their greed on honest taxpayers’ money. (For the record, many of the top bschools in India don’t survive on taxpayers’ money at all. They generate their own funds.)

d) I also think it is too much of a generalization to say that innovation is missing from bschool graduates. If that had been the case, we would not have had companies like Edelweiss or makemytrip.com developing. We would not have a chap called Gautam Ghosh – one of the most famous HR bloggers in the world, and we would not have had a growing economy at all. I feel it is more of a personal trait – being innovative or not.

I don’t want to be construed as divergent and neither do I want to rain on anyone’s parade here. It’s just that I felt people were spewing unnecessary vitriol against bschools and bschoolers, so I couldn’t resist.

pranav@spjimr
#14 November 05, 2009, 11:53 am

This thread is becoming very interesting with almost everything under the sun getting added, right from tax payers, to Indian companies to values etc. This is what I call excessive attention and debating on something which started off as summers placements at a top college.
Now regarding people getting into flashy profiles, if they are really interested, then it is good. But my advice, from my experience at one of the better B-Schools in India would be that dont do it because it looks great on a CV, or because someone in your town will feel great. Salary is important, but by the time you pass out from B-School (be it Top 10, Tier 1 or Tier 2) am sure you realise that in a successful career, salary is just one of the factors and it is not ranked 1 in the priority list.
May God bless you all with the best careers (dont know what to write about salaries !!!)

shoaibmohamed
#15 November 05, 2009, 8:28 pm

PS: its not the IIM’s fault that the media is not interested in following up with the Indian firms that recruit at IIM, more than 80% of the talent is retained in the nation and contributes to the growth of the country…. Just wanted to clarify that IIM is not a place where students are outsourced to foreign countries…

AHIRSAAB
#16 November 06, 2009, 8:02 am

So many things raining in on a topic called “SUMMER PLACEMENT”.People who really thinks that IIMs are draining brain out of country should really need a breath of positive thinking.If you are opposing that than you are opposing rise of people like Indira Nooyi.Come on ppl what is the big fuss?? Vikram sarabhai found this institute with a vision in his mind to produce the world class managers that is what it is doing all this years.
If you talk about why not having the INDIAN GOOGLE,EXONMOBILE & WALMARTS than please Open up your eyes & look around you will find Infy,Relaince,Big Bazzar all of them are pretty much younger but proving their mantle all over the globe.
And for the people who thinks the prime factor behind the choice of I-bank as an career is one’s greed than would like to say yes u r right buddy Its a greed to do what you dreamed to do.

DEVILISHANGEL
#17 November 06, 2009, 4:31 pm

RELIANCE was started out by a guy who hardly had any education (ofcourse i wont go into his scandalous past and what he did to come on top)

MARUTI was a joint venture and it happened because we HAD to have cars not because some entrepreneur wanted tomake them in india. rememebr that the stake of sujuki in maruti. when it started, the indian govt had 18.28 percent in maruti and SUZUKI had 54.2 :)
remember the sujuki tag in maruti people and also remember that india is the only country where a car called alto was sold in three renamed models – maruti 800, maruti zen, maruti alto :) they are all the same its an eyewash. go check out on wikipedia.

JRD TATA was a frech born citizen who did his complete studies in france. came to india, did india the biggest favour and in return his hot favourtie company was nationalised and recently went broke and there were talks of tata buying it back. circle of life, one might say :) what a way to go! he created one of the world best companies ever and i have no doubts about him being indian but the fact that i am trying to pursue is, his education wasn’t indian by any means.

indian management schools at best are very good placement agencies (most not all) :) how else would you explain the fact that most top tier management schools ask their students to choose companies to drop their resumes in for summer internship in the month of sep/oct/nov (just 3-4 months into the course) when most of the guys aren’t even sure of what specialisation they will be studying after in their next academic session? :)

forget just gautam ghosh, out of the top 50 greatest management thinkers, around 10 are from of indian origin :) only 2 live presently in india. both are entrepreneurs. in the entire top 50 list, there exists only two kinds of people: academicians and entrepreneurs, impetus for both of which lack hugely in india. (i am not even going to talk about nobel laureates and how india stifles them here)

please, lets not compare makemytrip to google, its abominable :) infact, make my trip is not even the first of its kind!
google thrives on divergent thinking and controlled chaos (its now a management topic) and we, at most indian schools, hate divergence :)

india produces aroundabout 7.8 lakh (last year figures) engineers. 35% of which are employable as per nasscom (an indian body) norms :) doesn’t that say a lot about us as a nation? it does right?

answers are all about asking the right question. we as indians love what we have but we forget what we don’t and unfortuantely we don’t change an attitude unless its paving path to hell.

innovation is about changing when there might not be the need to but changing for the better and never stopping.
innovation also needs to be cultured and revered :)

in a recent interview, a very famous iit-iim grad who is both loved and loathed equally and who is curretly india’s best selling author said openly that iit-iim are not doing what they ought to be doing and they are killing divergence and natural inclination. they are not keeping the tutorial culured guy out and the naturally innovative and divergent thinking guy in. they should be temples of innovation, something that people like yash pal, sam pitroda and kapil sibal all agree to and not temples for people who sit to “crack” an exam from one town in western india or india’s metros or whatever.

please don’t take the rant as anti-iim or anti-iit but it is a rant about where we are going wrong and on what points the consensus of us going wrong are :) but we need to remmeber that in the world ranking, indian top university’s rank is 163 and in management ranking india’s top university is ranked 72 :)
if we clear an exam where the ratio are atleast 400:1 and 200:1 odd and still in the world ranking, its ranked at those levels then there is something that is hugely wrong withthese institues which we as indians are blind to. what it is, is as good a guess as yours as mine but may be we all have some ideas about the why and what of it :)

killing divergence is not what education system should be all about rather it should be about nurturing it :)

(all facts stated here can be very easily verfied over the internet. please go ahead if you doubt any facts written stated over here)

i think students in india are ofcourse talented enough to change the MODERN world and they have done so through eons but i hope they be the change that they want to see in the world someday as well. i know they will, they just need a rude awakening call :)

DEVILISHANGEL
#18 November 06, 2009, 4:54 pm

*6.8 lakhs
**directly employable

amitmukh
#19 November 07, 2009, 1:49 am

It would be interesting enough if anyone of us can convince Indra Nooyi (with all due respect to her) to come and join Parle Agro India Pvt. Ltd. and make “Frooti” an internationally acclaimed mango drink of choice.I think she will love the challenge.

amitmukh
#20 November 07, 2009, 2:43 am

To keep some records straight, I would beg to differ that Vikram Sarabhai founded the IIMs.He did play an important role in doing the same for IIM Ahmedabad, the second IIM to be instituted,but the first was IIM Kolkata the foundation stone for which was laid by the then deputy PM of India Morarji Desai.However, all of these were actually initiatives of the Indian Government to establish post graduate institutes for studies and research in management.
“They were created by the Indian Government with the aim of identifying the brightest intellectual talent available in the student community of India and training it in the best management techniques available in the world, to ultimately create a pool of elite managers to manage and lead the various sections of the Indian economy.”
Now we all know that there is always a certain gap between the actual intention/expectation and the actual outcome.Nevertheless, the IIMs have been a huge success for the Indian Government.
An institute is only as good as its students.Just as a good institute will not admit a poor student,a good student will never go to a bad school(unless ofcourse he is hell bent on adding an “MBA” to his profile).
So far Indian entrepreneurship is concerned, one of my favourites is the creation of the “AMUL” brand and the subsequent “White Revolution” in India.Let me take this opportunity to salute the “Milkman of India” for being the lead architect of “Operation Flood”,the largest dairy development program in the world.It seems Dr.Kurien only had a simple dream to materialize.

sumitrocks
#21 November 08, 2009, 4:27 pm

As far as the international ranking goes, I think as smart, discerning people, we need to look beyond numbers. We lag behind in rankings not because we are not good enough, but because rankings consider parameters like research budget, final placement offers, no. of faculty members publishing internationally reputed articles etc. Some of these factors are a natural disadvantage to us, for obvious reasons.

Also, I think only a person who is on the outside of a bschool can call it a glorified ‘placement agency’. It takes blood, sweat and tears to not just get inside, but also to stay there. Moreover, the kind of exposure one gets is immensely valuable in all walks of life.

The last person expected to call a bschool a placement agency is a member of this forum. I think unnecessary angst doesn’t help – I did enjoy reading about the ’shady’ dealings of Reliance/Maruti/Tata groups though. :)

Greenspan
#22 November 09, 2009, 12:07 am

May I – at the risk of obstructing the flow of this comment thread – thank all of you for your invaluable comments. Its been a great read, definitely many times better than that farce we call Rediff comments :)

Probal Kumar Debnath
#23 November 09, 2009, 2:14 am

One should keep his patience, recession is a phase. “The person who sticks to his or her goal is the person who reaches his/her destiny.”-Shri Ramakrishna Paramhansa,the great sage of Bengal.

DEVILISHANGEL
#24 November 09, 2009, 6:38 am

with all due respect “parameters” like research budget, final placement offers, no of faculty members publishing internationally reputed articles etc very respectable and just parameters to say the least.
its not about this forum, make no mistake that i love the institutes as much as you do, but i am not a blind lover who would rather not see the wrong.

and there is absolutely nothing “smart” in looking beyond numbers when the schools in india themselves thrive on them :)

and umm, i am an undergrad :) so i can’t technically BE in a b-school” as of yet. when i can , i will and since this post will stay so i will let you know as well :) and when and if i do get there i will openly say what is said here and i don’t think as learned men they will deny any of this.

absolutely no figures and facts in my writing are wrong. absolutely none.

please do remember the fact that ENOUGH number of IIM-IIT passouts have said what i am saying. the most glorious of them being chetan bhagat in recent times. being faithful is nice but only as a human being sir :)

and just like a person who is “outside” (of what? heaven? :| ) can say that they are over-glorified placement agencies. only people who are inside MIGHT say they are not ;) but since a lot of them are who they are, they still go onto say what they think is right. thats what makes the guys who get in worthy of getting in- seeing the truth and not lapping it all up :)

mdshetye
#25 November 09, 2009, 10:01 am

In international rankings…..factors like diversity of student body(nationalities represented),diversity of faculty (again nationalities), international nature of the board of governors,salary that MBAs get once they pass out etc. play a role. On all of these parameters,Indian B-Schools are at a natural disadvantage.

sumitrocks
#26 November 09, 2009, 2:02 pm

Well, devilishangel, you are entitled to your opinions, misinformed as they may be:

Chetan Bhagat can hardly be called ‘glorious’ on any count. And well, if he thinks a bschool is a placement agency, then all I can say that he deserves the low opinion I have of him.

As far as rankings go, all rankings are subjective. Using statistics, you can actually prove that Sunil Gavaskar was a better batsman than Sir Bradman. But, what’s the point of that? :)

Apurv Pandit
#27 November 09, 2009, 2:13 pm

“Everyone deserves the kind of b-school they get into.”

rainbowz
#28 November 09, 2009, 3:04 pm

This really IS turning out really interesting… :) I am neither trying to refute nor prove any argument here, just state a plain fact. Students in all top b-schools are asked their pecking order between Profile, Sector, Company, Location, Salary etc… and believe me guys, as surprising as it might seem, the last in the list for almost all students is the salary, always. (so much for being a “placement agency” ;) ) I rest my case.

pranav@spjimr
#29 November 09, 2009, 4:24 pm

Hi all….I tend to agree with rainbowz…!!!
By the way, this thread is getting so interesting…are we over discussing things…
@Apurv Pandit: I agree with you. You are bang on target. Life is much more than one B-School admission…

DEVILISHANGEL
#30 November 09, 2009, 6:59 pm

the jam-mag story abt iim-s explains it all. period.

DEVILISHANGEL
#31 November 09, 2009, 7:20 pm

glorious in the recent past=well known in common english diction and these are not opinions they are crude facts. you can check out everything i said. infact, what you are saying can be entitled as opinion because of no stats backing them.

there is absolutely no stat in the world that can prove gavaskar to be a better player than sir donald bradman

donald bradman is only 1 of 5 people in the entire world to have an average of a near 100 average in any sport. other 5 people are pele, ty cobb, jack nicklaus and micheal jordan :)
donald bradman had a test average of 99.84 and in stark contrast gavaskar’s was 51.

i am guessing that you are a better more “glorious” personality than chetan bhagat :P and the world must look very small to you sir.

Roger Federer
#32 November 09, 2009, 11:04 pm

DEVILISHANGEL, Your first post was very good, i really appreciated that post, but the remaining posts neither made sense, nor is it relevant here

DEVILISHANGEL
#33 November 10, 2009, 3:16 am

hey roger, dont worry, m appauled by the non-nense i am making here myself. i was just being defensive and retailiating because some here got PERSONAL.
i won’t do this anymore :)
thank you for reminding me roger.

i never thought someone would get personal here on pg especially since it seemed like an intellectual debate to me.

SUVEERA
#34 November 10, 2009, 12:03 pm

yaaro in iim mai selection hna bhut mushkil h!!!

TheSinnical
#35 November 10, 2009, 3:49 pm

haah! i m with DEVILISHANGEL for ALL the posts…..the problem is with Indian attitude. There is very little scope to think differently here & still be accepted. And somebody here talked of US attitude towards career choices…bang on …hats off to you! Would like to quote Nietszche here:“The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently”

TheSinnical
#36 November 10, 2009, 3:59 pm

And while i say that…i do have respect for all those who come out on tops in an exam like CAT & then enter into A & then survive. Its almost incredible & very creditable. After all we’re talkin’ money & business, baby! Media, music, creative arts, academics, research, sports, athleticism,& yes politics can all take a back seat & go-ta-hell!

Prachi Bansal
#37 November 10, 2009, 9:38 pm

@ DevilishAngel… I am not inclined to disagree with your opinions…we do have a complacent attitude, a habit of always looking at the so-called brighter sides of the things…
but it is no good to bash up your own country, when you are not contributing to its development yourself…
All of us, who are just not bothered about our conduct as responsible citizens of this country, have no right whatsoever to demean its pride either.
How many of us are responsible citizens in your opinion? How many of us have the willpower to stand up for a cause and support it with all our might? Heck, how many us really give a damn about where we stand?
It’s all easier said than done… It’s not difficult to write a few mails in a thread, it’s not at all easy to get up and do something about those things…

DEVILISHANGEL
#38 November 12, 2009, 5:44 pm

dear prachi, – currel working with 2 ngos, 1 that has recently got the highest number of books donation anywhere in the india. also the same ngo was in international headlines for planting trees all over my city with an innovative campaign that had caught the media eye. the same ngo is now trying to foster relationship with one of the only 4 ngo’s chosen by pwc where you can work for the ngo and the work wud b accounted for in pwc’s official work directory. also, this ngo is now trying to team up with zynga, a famous online social games company where people planting virtual trees would actually translate into real trees in the real world.

i, recently, with a few friends, have started to work on a t-shirt company which by god’s grace shud b officially launched in december. none of its profits-apart from those pertaining to operating costs would be kept in any of the our coffers and is going directly to some slum schools nearby.

argue on basis of logically coherent point, we are not here to listen to your opinion without factual basis. what ever i have written has complete factual basis. prove me wrong in any of the facts stated. you are free to research over them.

i am a very concerned citizen and thats exactly what the point in my writing is! i thought you would see that!
i am not bashing my own country, i am just bashing the way its best institutions are being run by public funded money. if i am being critical of things which are wrong then ofcourse i am guilty as charged and i would to be so for the rest of my life. i love my own country, but i love it with open eyes. i am the kind of guy who appreciates slumdog millionaire for what it shows and not detest it for what it hides.

and yeah, miss prachi, idea and ideation in todays world start out with a cup of virtual coffee in today’s world :)
don’t you EVER forget the power of an idea and underestimate the winds of change. and yeah, standing by and standing up and kneeling down are very different things :) i have supported good things all my life and i do so regardless of what people who write blogs titled “hitchhikers blog to bangalore” and “lol” atleast i write about things that matter and can change lives.

i have to ask you one last question madam, and i will pursue this till fms delhi if it remains unanswered – on what grounds did you say that i am not a responsible citizen?

DEVILISHANGEL
#39 November 12, 2009, 5:44 pm

currently*

Omkarp
#40 November 14, 2009, 12:52 pm

@devilishangel: honestly…you do not need to be so aggressive….try to look on both sides of the coin than just the negative…..i have friends in ivy league colleges who tell me they are over-rated…and people who literally fear an above average indian student just because of the grind that we come out of..
And yes as said by some participants of this post….our institutions do have a natural disadvantage over a certain number of parameters which decide a b-schools ranking….

and by the way chetan bhagat is nowhere glorious compared to other greater IIM passouts….you need not compare passouts though….

as for what you are doing…
good if you are actually doing all this….but then try doing it with a little bit of pride….obvious not implied….

Omkarp
#41 November 14, 2009, 12:58 pm

and just to tell you….i am an engineering under grad myself…who works for ngos too…..
and just because the ngo you work for is great doesnt mean you really have a major contribution in the ngo cracking deals or forming partnership….
So try to not glorify yourself too much….
And lastly,this is a forum where people are trying to provide information that would help without unrequired mockery filled with adolescent exuberance that you seem to have mixed with misplaced conviction…i might sound judgemental but thats what yous ound like…..try to give an informed, factual and UNEMOTIONAL opinion….instead of a pride filled juvenile response….

mogadishu
#42 November 15, 2009, 12:06 am

ABC stand a league apart!
just now saw in the K thread that L, I and XL are yet to complete their summers,
K has in fact finished, commendable for them and FMS completed in October

DEVILISHANGEL
#43 November 15, 2009, 12:39 am

@omkrap: dude…that was a reply to miss prachi bansal…
you can very well see that i nvr said a word about what i do and etc before she said “what have you done..have you contributed etc?” the glorification was an answer to “what have you done”.
colleges anywhere can be over-hyped but the importance of great world class faculty, research and entrepreneurship are very very important parameters. isn’t it time we went from being just great management schools to great schools of business?
and i am not denying the fact that we have some natural disadvantage all that i am saying is that its time to not hide the disadvantages in the closet but actually come out with skeletons. its time to do so many things but first and foremost its time to be stop being complacent.

and you can very well read my first post on this forum and you can see all facts naked and you can check them out with the best tools available to you. if you do find any of thoese facts wrong please do come back to correct me on them. i will be happier than sad :)

optimism is good but misplaced optimism is bad

DEVILISHANGEL
#44 November 15, 2009, 12:42 am

thesinical here quoted Nietszche here “The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently”.
i wouldn’t be able to come up with a better quote on this occasion myself.
commendable quote to remember ad to use :)
my regards to thesinnical

Lord
#45 November 17, 2009, 11:18 am

It is so sad that the placements records for 1st 2-3 days are reported and what about the 50 odd guys who were forced to sign off the process just to show misleading figures of 100% placement in record 4 days. Also of the 250 placed in 4 days many companies were like United business school a new b school which gave profile of starting a new b school and the same was shown as coming of companies with diverse opportunities. What a shame! Also many people were forced to join startups at negligible stipends.
If this is the scenario at the most hyped campus in India, is there any reason to do mba by flushing out 13 lakhs?

IIMA_guy
#46 November 17, 2009, 11:23 am

I feel there should be a limit to faking when it comes to media releases
“Summer placements end in 4 days by IIMA”
LOL, firms coming to other IIM’s have claimed they recruited people from IIMA on saturday which is 6th day after beginning
doesnt iima consider its whole batch in a media release…….. dint they get 90 percent in 10th and 12th lmao
or maybe they were not girls for whom iima had a special criteria it seems

DEVILISHANGEL
#47 November 17, 2009, 5:58 pm

@iima_guy and @lord: hmm, this is very interesting :D
i think this should come to light…esp given the criterion of selection last time, iima should have it all placed in lik 99 minutes or sumthin ;)

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